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Kingsempires:
But those people don't worship on sunday like us

Yeah....true....there is no commandment on the specific day to worship in the bible for Christians.

Emusan:
You're very dull for this.
You type your rubbish and ask questions but telling others not to do the same.



I already did



See this one, I'm always drifting but you are the very person who has not answer these questions since the beginning of this discussion.

1. What is the meaning of ARCHANGEL?
2. Where in the New Testament Jesus was ONLY CALLED ARCHANGEL MICHAEL? As you earlier said on this thread.

Since I asked these questions, the thread has added more than 2 pages.

So who is drifting from question between you and I?

Go and ask your fellow Trinitarians those questions. I won't answer them.

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Emusan:
Yes! If they see themselves as ONE.

So Oga, are Seventh Day Advent TRUE CHRISTIAN since they believe Jesus is Angel Michael?

Lol....are you not funny....what do you mean that If they see themselves as one?
Do you see yourself as one with them?

So if the Seventh day Adventist are true Christians irrespective of their interpretation of Daniel 10:13, then why are you bothered about my view of that verse?

obonujoker:
1. God is spirit Bro, and those that worship him must do so in spirit and in truth.

The soul is not physical, and hence the tormentimg worms and fires are not physical.

The spiritual realm cannot be seen with physical eyes. Occultic people navigate into the spiritual realms to collect evil powers and spread satanic agendas.

So do you mean that Occultic people are able to communicate with the devil and his demons in hell fire?

2. Genesis 2:7 And the LORD God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.

As we can see until God breathe into the physical body before man became a living being.

So are you saying that man is only made up of body and soul? If yes, where is the spirit?

Any soul that disobeys God dies, even after the physical death, but the death is pain and horror in hell fire until the judgement day, when physical flesh and soul will be cast into the Lake of Fire.

But you said earlier that the soul never dies. So where did you get this interpretation from?

3. God sent devil and his agents to have Hell as their abode after Jesus ascended the throne in heaven

The devil and his demons and other fallen angels are also tormented in hell, as they have become hideous and have no love in them. Their torment is never to enter into heaven again, and finally to be cast into the Lake of Fire from everlasting to everlasting. That's why they are doing all they can to lure man to be with them in hell.

So are you saying that the devil and the demons are not affected by the spiritual worms and fire like others in hell fire? If yes, where does the Bible say so?

4. Any soul who doesn't make the first resurrection has 0% chance of making the new heaven and earth, but will be cast into the Lake of Fire, along with Hell and the condition called death.

So are you saying that unbelievers would be judged twice? Yes or no?

Emusan:
I'm glad,

So, Seventh Day Adventist who produced Russell got it RIGHT and Jesus didn't choose them but the people Jesus chosen were still confused and teaching flip-flops about the identity of the person who choose them

Well, did SDA tell you they are student of Geneva study Bible and Matthew Poole's?

Oga are Seventh day Adventist true Christians?
Yes or no?

Emusan:
Now using style to drift away from the earlier points.

Do you agree that you lied that "Jesus was called ARCHANGEL Michael ONLY IN THE NEW TESTAMENT"?

Oga don't ask me questions.....ask your fellow Trinitarians. Why are you also drifting from the question of who has Authority/interpretation of scriptures today?

Emusan:
Good that means not only Watchtower holds the Truth.

Do you agree?



Give me the address of those who still believe their teaching first, at least we can verify if they still hold unto the same teaching today.

Oga the Seventh day Adventist members today believe that Michael is Jesus and they hold the Trinity doctrine. Go and convince them.

Emusan:
COMMENTARY

INTERPRETATION

Are common words you can find their meaning in dictionary, and if you don't have one Google is very much available.

If anyone has AUTHORITY over it Watchtower won't exist today not to talk of you believing lies.

Oga so who has authority/interpretation today? Who should we listen to?

Emusan:
You read the word COMMENTARY and you are calling it AUTHORITY.

Did you read it from their books they are passing AUTHORITY?

Well, if you think it's AUTHORITY then the same authority has bind you for every page of their books.

So who has authority of interpretation today? Is it you?

Emusan:
Just as you're wasting your time telling me to go and convince them.

Where are they today?

You have their address?

The people you're talking about are ALL LONG DEAD before even C.T Russell was born.

Rather, I'll tell you to go and ask them if their view is still the same today.

Alright....sorry they are dead....but their teaches and views are held by many people today who believe in the Trinity. So please go and convince your fellow Trinitarians first.

Emusan:
Did Geneva Study Bible and Matthew Poole's tell you they are SPEAKING FOR THE WHOLE TRINITARIANS?

Even those your screenshots were COMMENTARIES not AUTHORITY and if they are around today, their might have changed.

So, why do you want to force their COMMENTARIES on ALL TRINITARIANS as if THEY ARE THE ONLY ONE WHO MADE COMMENTARY for the whole Bible?

You people are the same person who will claim WE DON'T AGREE AMONG OURSELVES but here you are you want to change narration that robs oil in your palms.

If the commentaries are not authority, are you now the authority?

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Emusan:
I can't leave you and Jws out of this even though I never involve Jws in the first place.

My simple questions which you failed to addressed since are for YOU not Jws.

So I don't know why you want me to go and meet fellow Trinitarians who says Jesus is Michael rather than YOU provide the answer from the scripture you used earlier.

1. What is the meaning of ARCHANGEL?
2. Where in the New Testament Jesus was CALLED ONLY ARCHANGEL?

These are questions from the scripture and not from any one...



I don't need to convince them.

Consider this scenario, Geneva Study Bible and Matthew Poole's have been done since 1500's & 1600's but at around 1900's Watchtower was teaching that ARCHANGEL Michael is the Pope.

Now, imagine Jws been confronted with Geneva Study Bible and Matthew Poole's where they teach that Jesus is the ARCHANGEL Michael.

Jws would call them all sort of imprinted names flipping different pages of Watchtower and cherry pick Bible verses to show Geneva Study Bible and Matthew Poole's were wrong and they are the one who hold the TRUTH.

Today, if those Jws could come back to life and their fellow Jws now using the same Geneva Study Bible and Matthew Poole's to support their claim that Jesus was truly the ARCHANGEL Michael, I'm such they'll look stupid and more confused (even in usual sense that is what they always look like)

So, using the materials of those you once called/currently call all sort of imprinted names when you still believe that THEY HOLD NO TRUTH should be your great concerns.

You are wasting your time with me. Go and convince your fellow Trinitarians first

obonujoker:
1. They are spiritual worms designed by God as a punishment to rebellious souls.

Mark 9:48 Where their worm dieth not, and the fire is not quenched.

Where did Jesus teach that the worms are spiritual worms?
Are you also saying that hell fire is in the spiritual realm? If yes, where in the spiritual realm?

2. The soul is an eternal being. The flesh is made of dust as shown in Genesis. The flesh houses the soul. The soul is like God (created in God's image) and cannot die as God does not die (Eternal).

Where does Genesis 2:7 say that the soul was put inside flesh?

If the soul does not die, how can you explain Ezekiel 18:4, 20?

So any soul that sinneth after dropping the physical body is supposed the return back to God, but God cannot see or condone sin (attributes of satan), hence the sinful soul is sent to the abode where the Devil is, which is Hades, and since the devil hates God, he torments terribly the damned human soul that finds it's way there, that's why is called Hell Fire.

Who sent the Devil to hell fire? If the devil is in hell fire, why is he not tormented by the worms and fire?

At the final judgment, the second resurrection, the soul will be brought out of hell and join together with the physical buried body, and if found wanting will be cast body and soul into the second death (Lake of Fire)... See 👇

Revelation 20:13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
20:14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
20:15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.

So are you saying that the unbelievers are judged twice? Can an unbeliever who was in hell fire before be directed to heaven and not to the lake of fire?

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