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NNTR:
You seem to forget about you lacking foundational settings
Fyi, Psalms 30:3 is kindergarten pre-school bible 001

Scroll up, to catch up with the answers, to your questions that escaped you.

If I am you, I'll be more worried about me (i.e. you, your soul)
I'll be importantly more worried about what the future holds for my soul, like where, at the end of time, is it going to end up at (i.e. where you will end up at)

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Lol....you are very funny oo.....so you quoted a kindergarten verse to buttress your point without knowing that you would be caught?

So when Jesus friend Lazarus died, his soul was enjoying with Abraham in the same sheol that his body was buried?

Dtruthspeaker:
Genesis 1:27 is clear enough. No physical body was made then.

So where does the Bible say that the soul was later covered with humus?

NNTR:
If after the lengthy discussion and interaction on this thread, you still arent clued up Sheol, then YOYO

Psalm 30:3 was inspired before the superior revelation and additional information that, much later, was given by Jesus with the parable of the rich man and Lazarus about the afterlife consciousness and extra info on Sheol

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Lol...do you see that you are a very funny person. After using psalm 30:3 to buttress your point and i used it to expose your teaching, you later said it is not a superior revelation. Ok now where is the waiting area that Lazarus soul went to before he was resurrected? Psalm 30:3 gives the answer. You quoted it yourself and now you are saying it is not a superior revelation.

Ok now, where was the location of Abraham in the parable of the rich man when Lazarus went to meet him?

Dtruthspeaker:
Common sense na! Hey your parents are really wicked o.

Genesisis 1, God made heaven and earth yet it is the earth we see and have the details of how He did it

Do you not see that is the same pattern with man in that you are and know only how the man on earth was made but the details of the heavenly man have been kept away justt like the making of the heaven?

See the words .

27 So God created man in his own image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.

"Created" means already done, so what did God create here?

Answer: The Soul of man.

Where does the Bible indicate that it was only the soul of man that was made without his physical body? Just show me a verse where the soul was first made and later put into the physical man. Genesis 2:7 is the first mention of the word soul in relation to man? In that verse was the soul put into man?

NNTR:
The soul (i.e. you) is created out, that which is not visible.

The soul part that you are, is unable to be physically touched or felt. It has a physical presence proxy by the flesh or body. The soul, meaning in essence, you, came from thing(s) not seen.

The body, your flesh, is just a dirt suit made up of dust, hence why when the spirit, the ruach aka wind, aka life-force, aka breath of God expires in you, you die, you slump and drop dead, then at the end, your body or flesh returns back to earth

You are soul, you are the soul. You, the soul, was made out of things not seen with the naked eyes. Your dirt suit, the body or flesh is not you, but your soul, is you, you are soul.

It is you, your soul, that will give account of yourself on Judgment Day

After death, meaning after transiting from the land of the living, you, meaning you the soul, go to a waiting area, similarly to the lounge seating areas in airport. You stay there, awaiting Judgment Day, then upon giving a verdict, you get to board a flight to an appropriate destination

You're soul. The soul is you, and vice versa, meaning what you are, is soul, you are the soul.

Essentially, you are a soul, housed in a body made up from dust and made animated with a life-force, which is ruach aka spirit aka pneuma or also known as, the breath of God. So, in short, your beingness, you, are a soul

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

So where did the soul of Jesus friend lazarus go to await resurrection? psalm 30:3 that you quoted earlier says the soul goes to sheol? So is sheol different from the grave where the body is laid? What is the Hebrew word for grave?

NNTR:
Psalm 30:3
O LORD, You have brought up my soul from Sheol;
You have kept me alive, that I would not go down to the pit.

1. Based on all the knowledge and information, you so far, have read to learn from or had refused to learn, on this thread, hazard a lucky guess, where you think, Lazarus' soul went to

2. Also hazard another guess, why didnt Jesus wait longer than 4 days, before starting to summon Lazarus' soul back into Lazarus' already dead and tombed body?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

So if Lazarus soul was in sheol, where was Lazarus body? Or was his body and soul in the same sheol?
The Psalm you quoted confirms that the soul goes to a pit or sheol.....in that case where does the body go to? What is the Hebrew word for grave?

Dtruthspeaker:
I did not discredit Genesis 2. I said Genesis 2 took place second.

Genesis 1:26 shows that is the place where man (the soul) is first made via Mathew 6:10 ""thy will be done on earth AS IT IS IN HEAVEN".

And Genesis 2:7 shows when man is made in earth.

So where in Genesis 1:26 in the pics below show that God made a soul first and later covered it with humus.
Where is the mention of the word soul in that verse.

Dtruthspeaker:
Why are you restricting me to Genesis 2 whereas God's Mind and Acts are een in more places other more than Genesis 2?

Genesis 1 shows that God made man (soul) first, in heaven, before humous man was created on earth "thy will be done on earth AS IT IS IN HEAVEN".

That is why God created the heaven first then earth followed next. And that is God's pattern throughout the bible.

And that is why heaven is greater than the earth.

Show me where God made soul first in the bible. What verse did God made soul first since you are discrediting Genesis 2:7?

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Dtruthspeaker:
Human means humous man which is actually the cloth that covers the real non humous man God first made called the soul.

So it is clearly the real you called the soul which shall be going to hellfire.

Please according to Genesis 2:7 in the pics below....explain how the soul was created first and later covered with humous.

GanagiBeetrus:
According to the Bible, this is the sin that can never be forgiven - Blaspheming or Speaking against the Holy Ghost.

Unfortunately, many Christians have committed this sin and therefore on their way to Hell Fire.

Bible Scholars in the House,
What exactly does it mean to Blaspheme or Speak Against the Holy Ghost?
At least to serve as warning or guide for others who may knowingly or unknowingly commit this grievous sin without forgiveness.

What part of a human goes to this your hell fire?

helinues:
Paying respect to statue by bowing? Is that what you are insinuating?

Why do you have to make a carved image and bow to it?

BOSSkesh:
It’s called reverence not worship

It’s just like when you’re greeting someone greater,older,richer than you, you bow as a sign of respect or curtesy
So you bow not to worship but bow to pay respect

Also you don’t ”pray to” Mary or Joseph or any of the saints you pray through them because you believe they are in heaven so they can drop your prayers and petitions directly at the feet of God

The lord is interesting

Are we not suppose to pray through the name of Jesus?
Where does the Bible instructs Christians to pray through saints?

NNTR:

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The Jews, (i.e. king Solomon, the Israelites) did not know at all nor understand that awareness and consciousness exists in the realm of the dead. It was, Jesus through the parable of the rich man and Lazarus, that He used to reveal these invaluable insights to us

'Jesus parable was not a true life story', does not take away nor diminish the truths, that, awareness and consciousness exists in Sheol after one crosses over.

Please share an inexhaustible list what other lessons apart from torment in Hades, was the parable used to reveal?
(i.e. other than torment, what is the reason(s) for Jesus to tell the rich man and Lazarus parable)

Death is real, this I am sure you agree to.
Now death, as with many others things similar, at the end of time, will be done away with and put an end to, using the Lake of Fire, whether its a literal location or not, to achieve just that with

Revelation 20:11-15
11And I saw a great white throne and Him who was seated upon it, from whose presence earth and heaven fled away,
and no place was found for them [for this heaven and earth are passing away].
12And I saw the dead, the great and the small, standing before the throne, and books were opened.
Then another book was opened, which is the Book of Life;
and the dead were judged according to what they had done as written in the books
[that is, everything done while on earth].
13And the sea gave up the dead who were in it,
and death and Hades (the realm of the dead) surrendered the dead who were in them;
and they were judged and sentenced, every one according to their deeds.
14Then death and Hades [the realm of the dead] were thrown into the lake of fire.
This is the second death, the lake of fire [the eternal separation from God].
15And if anyone’s name was not found written in the Book of Life, he was hurled into the lake of fire.

Matthew 12:36-37
36But I tell you, on the day of judgment people will have to give an accounting for every careless or useless word they speak.
37For by your words [reflecting your spiritual condition] you will be justified and acquitted of the guilt of sin;
and by your words [rejecting Me] you will be condemned and sentenced.”

Lazarus currently is in paradise, formerly known as Abraham's bosom and would not come into judgment and condemnation of the Lake of Fire

Hebrews 9:27
And just as it is appointed and destined for all men to die once
and after this [comes certain] judgment,

So what you reckon happens to you, (i.e. yourself, happens to your soul) after you've drawn your last breath?

Luke 16:19-28
19“Now there was a certain rich man who was habitually dressed in expensive purple and fine linen, and celebrated and lived joyously in splendor every day.
20And a poor man named Lazarus, was laid at his gate, covered with sores.
21He [eagerly] longed to eat the crumbs which fell from the rich man’s table. Besides, even the dogs were coming and licking his sores.
22Now it happened that the poor man died and his spirit was carried away by the angels to Abraham’s bosom (paradise); and the rich man also died and was buried.
23In Hades (the realm of the dead), being in torment, he looked up and saw Abraham far away and Lazarus in his bosom (paradise).
24And he cried out, ‘Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus so that he may dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue, because I am in severe agony in this flame.’
25But Abraham said, ‘Son, remember that in your lifetime you received your good things [all the comforts and delights], and Lazarus likewise bad things [all the discomforts and distresses]; but now he is comforted here [in paradise], while you are in severe agony.
26And besides all this, between us and you [people] a great chasm has been fixed, so that those who want to come over from here to you will not be able, and none may cross over from there to us.’
27So the rich man said, ‘Then, father [Abraham], I beg you to send Lazarus to my father’s house--
28for I have five brothers--in order that he may solemnly warn them and witness to them, so that they too will not come to this place of torment.’

So, in summary, what is or are your point(s) please?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

When Jesus friend Lazarus the brother to Mary and Martha died, where did his soul go to?

Kobojunkie:
Ruling a Nation with an iron rod/scepter/fist does not imply destruction of the Nation. You can Google that figure of speech for yourself to understand its use at application.
Let's not let our imaginations run away with us particularly in a desperate bid to force a previously held delusion on Scripture abeg!

2. Where did I get my explanation from? I am reading this all straight from what is presented in Scripture as is written. Also you are told that those to rule over the nations will do so by the power of Jesus Christ. Jesus Christ is not a power of destruction.

So what does verse 27 mean when it says they would be shattered like clay pots? Because I notice you are now avoiding the word 'shatter'?

NNTR:
Revelation 20:14
Then death and Hades [the realm of the dead] were thrown into the lake of fire.
This is the second death, the lake of fire [the eternal separation from God].

Beloved, please give it a rest, as its obvious you're in water too deep, for you to stand in.

You're theologically and biblically poorly equipped to continue with this conversation and discussion

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

1)This is what the Bible has to say about Hades [realm of the dead] in the pics down below. So I guess it is me and wise king Solomon that does not understand the Bible or Jesus parable. Hades is simply a place of inactivity. Jesus parable was not a true life story. It was meant to teach other lessons apart from torment in Hades.
I am very sure that the soul of an inanimate object like death too had to travel to the lake of fire as a final destination according to your explanation.
Did you not see there that the lake of fire symbolically means 'second death' and that it is not a literal location?

2) is eternal life a place or a final destination for Lazarus? Do people travel to a place called eternal life after death...... I guess according to you, Lazarus still had to travel from Abraham's side to a place called eternal life as a final destination.

Your idea that the soul survives death has no biblical basis. Nowhere did Jesus even say that it was Lazarus or the rich man's soul that was either enjoying or suffering. And that it had a final destination to go to.

NNTR:
Please tell me what is the reason(s) for telling parables

It is the former
Final destination is either eternal life or the Lake of Fire

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}spiritsoulbodyman

Please where is the evidence for this your explanation? No where in that parable did Jesus say that either the rich man or Lazarus still had a place to go. So I ask again where is the biblical basis for all these your teachings?

NNTR:
What point are weakly trying to make here. Hmm?

Jesus with the parable of the rich man and Lazarus revealed truths about what happens in Sheol after death, what goes on in there, how the place is divided into two sections with a chasm separating the two sides

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}spiritsoulbodyman

1)So it was not something that happened in real life?
2)So the location the rich man and Lazarus found themselves after death, Was it a lounging area or their final destination?

NNTR:
You'll be in a lounging area to await judgment D-Day

Go read the parable of the Rich Man and Lazarus for this please

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Was the story of the rich man and Lazarus a true life story? If yes when did it happen according to Jesus?
And how does the story teach that the soul resides in a lounging area before judgment?

NNTR:
The soul is you.
It is you, on earth, best or worst, expressing yourself according to what your nature is
When your life-force leaves you (i.e. returns back to God), your body drops dead, while your soul (i.e. you) gets transported o a lounge area, to await judgment that will determine what and where your final destination will be (i.e. which will be either of eternal life or destruction in the Lake of Fire)

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Where is the biblical basis for this your submission?...please read psalm 146:4 and show me where the bible says that the soul also departs.

NNTR:
You. Your beingness, you, are a soul. Soul is you. You are soul.

What you call death (i.e. the first death) actually is sleep. The second death (i.e. the real, proper and final death) will occur in the Lake of Fire

So when I die how come the soul does not die, since the soul is me? Please read psalm 146:4, and show me where the soul survives death.

NNTR:
It is increasingly becoming apparent that you're void of any biblical foundation standing

Resounding yes, the bible teaches that the soul that sinneth, it shall die

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

You are saying that the Bible says the soul does not die...and you are saying that the soul that sinneth shall die. Are you not contradicting yourself?
What exactly is the soul?

Resounding yes, the bible teaches that the soul that sinneth, it shall die

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}[/quote]You are saying that the Bible says the soul does not die...and you are saying that the soul that sinneth shall die. Are you not contradicting yourself?
What exactly is the soul?

Kobojunkie:
Well, if they are ruled with an iron fist, ofcourse the are bound to not have many of the freedoms they formerly had about themselves. They will break many.

How does ruling the nations with an iron fist and shattering them means that God would limit their freedom?
Does not the word 'shatter' means to destroy?
So where did you get your explanation of that verse from?

NNTR:
Evidently. The soul will be destroyed in the Lake of Fire, along with death et cetera
Or have you an alternative view?

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

Ok so what exactly is the soul? Is it me or something different from me that survives death?

NNTR:
You framed the question like biblical literalists would have do.
So if you're looking for where the bible teaches about training grounds, I can as well, ask you where the bible taught you about wiping your bum after using the toilet. You get it now

_{Personal text: Jesus is not a theologian. He is God who told stories.}

I can finally conclude that you have no biblical basis for this particular train of thought.
So does the Bible teach that the soul does not die?

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