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I'd much rather see a nice thread like this versus those very nasty back and forths I have saw on many of the other threads on here. As an american born Afrikan (so called African American), it really disheartens and sickens me. It reminds me of some of the of the factors that led to Afrikans selling each other into slavery. But this thread is nice

Ptolomeus: Dear friend and brother:
Thank you very much for your kind and enlightened response.

I made no criticism of the coronations of both kings. My only intention is to know your point of view. I have not much knowledge about the Fon culture, I have dedicated more to the study of the Yoruba (although both cultures are related).
I suppose that if the authorities Fon, endorsed the title, because then that title is valid. I can not even want to open opinion about the specific event of a coronation.
I understand that (by way of the facts) 'he proclaimed himself King in the '70s, and that the U.S. population was recognized.
I reiterate, if this is true for Fon authorities, no one can take effect.
Here in America, there are tens of thousands of people who spread the culture and African traditions. Confuses me a bit, the situation of founding a kingdom in America, if every one of those tens of thousands do so ... maybe there would be thousands of Oba in America.
That confuses me a bit.

But I repeat to you, I'm not criticizing, but by analyzing the facts.

@Ptolomeus...I understand u brother. Thanks for being a seeker of facts. Maybe when I interview His Majesty Agbovi I i can get you in touch with him. He seems like a man of scholarship himself.

@Ptolomeus...good post. Quick question. Are you African?.Meaning are you a black person? Did your people descend from enslaved Africans in your country or from somewhere else during the slave trade? Thanks.

Ptolomeus: Dear friends.
I am South American, and student of history and African traditions, I would like to hear from you about these two "kings" Africans in America. I refer to the "Obá" Mosi Guineur ( "owner of the ASE and elect of Oloorùn" ) Barule Oba's kingdom, and Agelo Djisovi Sagbaju Agbovi I, King Fon in America.
My question is this.
According to your opinion:
1. These people are eligible (qualifying) to represent these people as kings?
2. They have the proper lineage?
3. Who / whom they proclaimed King / Oba?
4. You as Africans agree with these appointments?
I beg you to open your views on this interesting subject.
Warm regards to all!

@Ptolomeus....Also I would suggest you look at the history of how various African kingdoms were founded and how some people became kings. Some may say a certain person is not a king because he did not go through a coronation ceremony. In our research we found out that the founder of the first African village in america was not coronated as a king  in Africa until the 1980s. He proclaimed to be a king since the early 1970s. What is interesting is that when when he finally did go to Africa for coronation, though he was not coronated already, the Africans who coronated him already recognized him as king also! You know why? It was because his people in America within and without his village had already recognized him as king. The coronation ceremony in the 1980s was simply a co signer or further legitimizing his already kingship status. Ptolomeus, if you will exchange your email with me we can dialogue in depth more about this. Like I mentioned in a post I will be interviewing the king Agbovi I for my university. Also, just to make sure it is clear, Agbovi I is a king in thr Danxome system so it may be a bit difficult for those who do not practice that culture and/or ethnically don't come from that culture for them to be able to give proper and accurate commentary on that subject. I'm sure my good Yoruba brothers and sisters can speak on the Oba thing with the other person you mentioned. I can be emailed at dahome.vodun@gmail.com Thanks

Ptolomeus: Dear friends.
I am South American, and student of history and African traditions, I would like to hear from you about these two "kings" Africans in America. I refer to the "Obá" Mosi Guineur ( "owner of the ASE and elect of Oloorùn" ) Barule Oba's kingdom, and Agelo Djisovi Sagbaju Agbovi I, King Fon in America.
My question is this.
According to your opinion:
1. These people are eligible (qualifying) to represent these people as kings?
2. They have the proper lineage?
3. Who / whom they proclaimed King / Oba?
4. You as Africans agree with these appointments?
I beg you to open your views on this interesting subject.
Warm regards to all!

@Ptolomeus...also, with all due respect, you ask the Africans here due we approve of such appontments. In Africa there are kings who rule different areas. The people of one area governed by one king have no say so about somebody becoming a king or whatever in another place. I can say I don't like such and such being the king in another land. However, I wouod sound ridiculous because it wouldn't matter what I felt because either custom, law, vote, lineage, etc specific to that area is the reason that person was chosen. So you may want to understand African kingdom and kingship SOVEREINGTY and that may help with understanding on this issue. Like I said I cannot speak on the other guy. I could but I won't.

Ptolomeus: Dear friends.
I am South American, and student of history and African traditions, I would like to hear from you about these two "kings" Africans in America. I refer to the "Obá" Mosi Guineur ( "owner of the ASE and elect of Oloorùn" ) Barule Oba's kingdom, and Agelo Djisovi Sagbaju Agbovi I, King Fon in America.
My question is this.
According to your opinion:
1. These people are eligible (qualifying) to represent these people as kings?
2. They have the proper lineage?
3. Who / whom they proclaimed King / Oba?
4. You as Africans agree with these appointments?
I beg you to open your views on this interesting subject.

Warm regards to all!

@Ptolomeus....I cannot speak in relation to Guinier but it has been verified that His Royal Majesty Agelo Djisovi Agbovi I was coronated as a king first in america by king makers from Benin who are Fon people in 2010 and again in a homecoming like ceremony again in Benin this year. He has lineage through his blood BUT what we are finding more and more through researching him is that one of the primary reasons he was picked to be king because of his work in thr Danxome Vodun tradition in america. Also you bring up the question of legitimacy of being king over their people. In the case of Agbovi, he is recognized as king by many people in america and has founded a kingdom. So what I'm trying to say is that the right to rule seems to come more from the people he "rules" (meaning people in america) moreso than any validation from outside sources. However, once again,in his case he was coronated by Benin FON people in either case.

Peace and blessings to all. I remember last year our study group was discussing ancient African communication systems. We briefly went over nsibiri. This is a reminder that I need to get with the people and strike this convo back up.

Greetings to all. Check out this new site I found that speaks about African royalty around theworld. It is called Afrikan Royals http://www.afrikanroyals.com

Greetings to all. Check out this new site I found that speaks about African royalty around theworld. It is called Afrikan Royals http://www.afrikanroyals.com

Greetings to all. Check out this new site I found that speaks about African royalty around theworld. It is called Afrikan Royals http://www.afrikanroyals.com. This is a beautiful forum

Greetings to all. Check out this new site I found that speaks about African royalty around theworld. It is called Afrikan Royals http://www.afrikanroyals.com

Greetings to all. Check out this new site I found that speaks about African royalty around theworld. It is called Afrikan Royals http://www.afrikanroyals.com

As an African American I love ALL OF AFRICA.

This is great information. I have always wanted to know more about the Igbo philosophy. More people need to know these things to set the record straight.

Greetings to all. Check out this new site I found that speaks about African royalty around theworld. It is called Afrikan Royals http://www.afrikanroyals.com

Greetings to all. Check out this new site I found that speaks about African royalty around theworld. It is called Afrikan Royals http://www.afrikanroyals.com

I will be interviewing this Dahomean/Fon king for my school and I found it interesting t that I found out from one of his representatives that the Fon (Republic of Benin) kings also wear the crowns he has on like the Yoruba kings do and have done so for over 200 years.

Greetings to the African family. I love the knowledge sharing and info here. I plan on really exploring this forum. I ran across a very interesting new site when I was looking up information on our African royal institutions. The name of the site is Afrikan Royals and the address is www.afrikanroyals.com

Greetings to all here. Wanted to post a picture of a king here in america and I found his story interesting. He is actually from america. He is a king in the Fon/Dahomean tradition and I understand that the Fon and Yoruba people are related to one another. www.newafrikanvodun.com/nav/dahosu2. He is His Royal Majesty Agelo Djisovi Sagbaju Agbovi I.