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The New Testament was invented by the Roman Empire.

The Torah is the religious book the Jews have and it's not an Old Testament.

God Almighty of the Original Torah is the only True God.

Saywhat10:
Seems the moon thing is a fraud, they would have returned to the moon several times with the advanced tech we have now.

They said they lost the technology for going to the moon, that's why they have not gone back since.

MaxInDHouse:
Have it your way then.
Thanks for your time!

It's not my way, it's the truth and this is what you should be telling those in your organisation too:

If God of the New Testament did not kill Peter for lying three times that he did not know Jesus Christ the only begotten son of the God of the New Testament, then no way He would have killed Ananias and Sapphira for lying about their own property. Peter and his men were the ones that killed Ananias and Sapphira.

The Commandments of God in the Old Testament are also for the whole world not just for Israel only:
The prophets often pronounce judgment on non-Israelite nations for things like violence, injustice, pride and idolatry — showing they were expected to follow God's moral standards too.

Amos 1–2 – Judgment against Damascus, Gaza, Tyre, Edom, Moab, etc.

Isaiah 13–23 – Oracles against Babylon, Assyria, Egypt, etc.

Jeremiah 46–51 – Judgments against nations.

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 – “Duty of All Mankind”
“Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind.”

God’s Mercy and Message to Nineveh
God sends Jonah to Nineveh, a pagan city, and calls them to repentance. They respond — and God spares them.

Call for All Nations to Worship
These psalms call all the earth to worship and obey God — not just Israel.

Psalm 96:10 – “Say among the nations, ‘The Lord reigns!’... He will judge the peoples with equity.”

Psalm 98:9 – “...for he comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world in righteousness and the peoples with equity.”

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MaxInDHouse:
God himself killed them for lying not Peter so he has no say when it comes to forgiving the couples.
Stop deceiving yourself when people gather they set rules binding on all those living in that territory that's exactly what God gave the Israelites back then but it's not rules binding on people in other lands. God promised a New covenant that will cut across boundaries for people who may love to worship Him in other lands.

If God of the New Testament did not kill Peter for lying three times that he did not know Jesus Christ the only begotten son of the God of the New Testament, then no way He would have killed Ananias and Sapphira for lying about their own property. Peter and his men were the ones that killed Ananias and Sapphira.

The Commandments of God in the Old Testament are also for the whole world not just for Israel only:
The prophets often pronounce judgment on non-Israelite nations for things like violence, injustice, pride and idolatry — showing they were expected to follow God's moral standards too.

Amos 1–2 – Judgment against Damascus, Gaza, Tyre, Edom, Moab, etc.

Isaiah 13–23 – Oracles against Babylon, Assyria, Egypt, etc.

Jeremiah 46–51 – Judgments against nations.

Ecclesiastes 12:13-14 – “Duty of All Mankind”
“Fear God and keep his commandments, for this is the duty of all mankind.”

God’s Mercy and Message to Nineveh
God sends Jonah to Nineveh, a pagan city, and calls them to repentance. They respond — and God spares them.

Call for All Nations to Worship
These psalms call all the earth to worship and obey God — not just Israel.

Psalm 96:10 – “Say among the nations, ‘The Lord reigns!’... He will judge the peoples with equity.”

Psalm 98:9 – “...for he comes to judge the earth. He will judge the world in righteousness and the peoples with equity.”

Kobojunkie:
Original Torah, yet you continue to quote from the very same book that has YHWH declaring that His Son would be the one to rule for eternity over Israel? Nonsense and eegridient! 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

Show the passage you got that from. You can only get that from the made up lies you are helping to promote to the gullible ones.

Kobojunkie:
See what I mean? You keep casting YHWH and His Prophets as liars every chance you get. He promised to send YHWH's son— that was made abundantly clear in YHWH's words through His Prophets —, but you conveniently reject that because you believe your Nigerian sense is better than that of His and His prophets combined. You see what I am saying?

God of the Original Torah did not promise to send his only begotten son to nailed on the cross to save you from your sins and your lies. You believe your sense of believing in lies is better than that of His and His prophets combined.

Kobojunkie:
He did promise to send His Son, but you, a Nigerian, conveniently declared Him and His Prophets liars. For what purpose?

He never promised to send His Son but you a Nigerian, conveniently accepted and is teaching this lie against Him and His Prophets. For what purpose?

Who is lying against the True God of the Original Torah that never promised to send His only begotten son to be nailed to the cross for your sins.

Maximus692:
This is what you said initially so were the laws of Israel built to protect none Israelite?
If so why is Samson killing philistines when the laws of God says you must not kill?

How about this two gullible couples in your New Testament when the laws of God says you must not kill:
Why did Peter a direct disciple of Jesus Christ not forgive Ananias and Sapphira who were trying to follow Jesus Christ when they did not kill anyone and it's their own land they sold? But same Peter lied three times that he did not know Jesus Christ.

Acts 5:1-11
Peter, Ananias and Sapphira
5 Now a man named Ananias, together with his wife Sapphira, also sold a piece of property.
2 With his wife’s full knowledge he kept back part of the money for himself, but brought the rest and put it at the apostles’ feet.
3 Then Peter said, “Ananias, how is it that Satan has so filled your heart that you have lied to the Holy Spirit and have kept for yourself some of the money you received for the land? 4 Didn’t it belong to you before it was sold? And after it was sold, wasn’t the money at your disposal? What made you think of doing such a thing? You have not lied just to human beings but to God.”
5 When Ananias heard this, he fell down and died. And great fear seized all who heard what had happened.
6 Then some young men came forward, wrapped up his body, and carried him out and buried him.
7 About three hours later his wife came in, not knowing what had happened. 8 Peter asked her, “Tell me, is this the price you and Ananias got for the land?”
“Yes,” she said, “that is the price.”
9 Peter said to her, “How could you conspire to test the Spirit of the Lord? Listen! The feet of the men who buried your husband are at the door, and they will carry you out also.”
10 At that moment she fell down at his feet and died. Then the young men came in and, finding her dead, carried her out and buried her beside her husband.
11 Great fear seized the whole church and all who heard about these events.

Maximus692:
So Samson killed the philistines because they were ruling over Israel.

My question again:

Should people start killing those ruling over them?

Samson is not the people. The story of Samson is like the actions movies today.

1. Divine Mission
Samson was chosen before birth to be a Nazirite, set apart to serve God. According to the Bible (Judges 13–16), his purpose was to "begin to deliver Israel out of the hand of the Philistines" (Judges 13:5). The Philistines were oppressing the Israelites, and Samson's actions were part of God's plan to weaken their power.

2. Personal Revenge
Samson's conflict with the Philistines was also deeply personal:

Marriage betrayal: He married a Philistine woman who betrayed him by revealing the answer to his riddle. In response, he killed 30 Philistines to settle a bet (Judges 14:19).

Burning of crops: After his wife was given to another man, Samson burned the Philistines' fields, and in retaliation, they burned his wife and her father (Judges 15:6).

Vengeance for his wife: Enraged, Samson struck back and "struck them hip and thigh with a great slaughter" (Judges 15:.

Final act of revenge: After being captured, blinded, and humiliated, Samson prayed for strength one last time and pulled down the pillars of a Philistine temple, killing himself and thousands of Philistines (Judges 16:30).

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LordReed:
So Exodus 21 was in secret?

The Israelites only heard God's voice giving the Ten Commandments (Exodus 20:1–17).

LordReed:
Exodus 21 (ESV)
1 Now these are the rules that you shall set before them.

Exodus 22 (ESV)
29 You shall not delay to offer from the fullness of your harvest and from the outflow of your presses. The firstborn of your sons you shall give to me. 30 You shall do the same with your oxen and with your sheep: seven days it shall be with its mother; on the eighth day you shall give it to me.
31 You shall be consecrated to me. Therefore you shall not eat any flesh that is torn by beasts in the field; you shall throw it to the dogs.

Again, are you claiming these were not the god giving these laws to the Israelites?

God gave the 10 Commandments in public view of all the Israelites and not in secret.

LordReed:
I think my question was quite clear but lemme repeat it in case it wasn't. Are you saying Exodus 21 was not part of the laws the god gave the Israelites?

Exodus 19:16–19 (ESV)
16 On the morning of the third day there were thunders and lightnings and a thick cloud on the mountain and a very loud trumpet blast, so that all the people in the camp trembled.

17 Then Moses brought the people out of the camp to meet God, and they took their stand at the foot of the mountain.

18 Now Mount Sinai was wrapped in smoke because the Lord had descended on it in fire. The smoke of it went up like the smoke of a kiln, and the whole mountain trembled greatly.

19 And as the sound of the trumpet grew louder and louder, Moses spoke, and God answered him in thunder.

Exodus 20:18–19 (ESV)
18 Now when all the people saw the thunder and the flashes of lightning and the sound of the trumpet and the mountain smoking, the people were afraid and trembled, and they stood far off

Maximus692:
Are you saying people should kill those ruling over them?

Is Samson the people. The story of Samson is like the action movies we have today.

MindHacker9009:
Samson killed Philistines as part of his calling from God to deliver Israel from Philistine oppression. The Philistines were ruling over Israel at the time and Samson was chosen by God to begin freeing his people (Judges 13:5).

LordReed:
So you are saying that Exodus 21 the chapter immediately after the so called 10 commandments was not the god's laws that he gave the Israelites?

God that gave the 10 Commandments does not operate in secret, when He gave the 10 Commandments to Moses all the people of Israel saw Him talking to Moses.

LordReed:
So the only laws that were in the Old Testament were the so called 10 commandments?

They were the only Laws God gave to Israel in the presences of all the people of Israel, so every other law are subjective based on the period and the events at that time.

LordReed:
So you would have liked to be a slave?

If you want to remain a slave that's fine as the laws you follow today were given to you by your slave maters, but for me I'm free as I follow the true 10 Commandments which are the Laws God gave to the Israel.

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Magnificenttop:
You're making some sense.

But the thing is, Israel or any other country, religious laws, culture/tradition and a country's law should align to a great extent, if they don't, it's either the religion is flawed or the law of the country is flawed. For example, thou shalt not kill, bear false witness etc is a sensible law and applicable in and out of religion. Religious laws and country's laws should align, same with science, historical facts and religious details. If they don't, then likely one of them is wrong.

For the NT as you mentioned, it didn't contradict sensible law, only took it deeper e.g it says don't look at a woman to lust after her, although no secular law cares about what you do with you eyes but if you're able to keep that NT law, it will be easier to keep the law of your country. NT also has a fundamental law of love, if everyone can love according to the NT, breaking the secular law of your country will be impossible, so eventually, religious laws either NT or OT still aligns with any sensible laws of any country.

The NT law that says "don't look at a woman to lust after her" but does not mention the solution to how a man with a functioning manhood can control his desire to put it to action when it gets hard. The NT laws are just there to make their followers to be confused, that's why those that are preaching the NT laws cannot abide by it themselves.

The Old Testament and it's Oral traditions are really the Real Testament and not Old at all. It does make provision on how to find a spouse.

Talmud (Oral Law): Rich in Wisdom
The Talmud is where things get more practical:

Kiddushin 1:1 specifies that a woman is acquired (i.e., to be a wife) in three ways: through money, a contract or sexual intercourse. Ordinarily, all three of these conditions are satisfied, although only one is necessary to effect a binding marriage.

Sotah 2a – “Forty days before the formation of a child, a heavenly voice proclaims: ‘The daughter of so-and-so is for so-and-so.’”
This suggests a kind of “soulmate” concept (in Hebrew, bashert), that marriages are divinely influenced.

Kiddushin 41a – “A man should not marry a woman until he has seen her.”
This is an early acknowledgment of the importance of personal compatibility and mutual attraction.

Also on divorce:
Finding your bashert doesn't mean that your marriage will be trouble-free. Marriage, like everything worthwhile in life, requires dedication, effort and energy. Even when two people are meant for each other, it is possible for them to ruin their marriage. That is why Judaism allows divorce if it's the only solution.

That is why Judaism allows divorce.
This is straight from the Torah:
Deuteronomy 24:1:
“When a man takes a wife and marries her... and she does not find favor in his eyes... he shall write her a bill of divorce (get).”

And in the Talmud:
Gittin 90a – Discusses when and why divorce is permitted, even though it’s not taken lightly.
“Even the altar sheds tears when a man divorces his first wife.”
This shows the pain of divorce, but also acknowledges its necessity.

MaxIntheHouse2:
OK why did Samson kill philistines?

Samson killed Philistines as part of his calling from God to deliver Israel from Philistine oppression. The Philistines were ruling over Israel at the time and Samson was chosen by God to begin freeing his people (Judges 13:5).

MaxIntheHouse2:
Why did Israelites killed the inhabitants of Jericho and Amalek?

The Israelites’ actions in Jericho and against Amalek were commanded by God as part of His judgment on those nations for their extreme wickedness. These weren’t random acts of violence — they were specific, one-time instructions during a unique period in history.

In the case of Jericho, the Canaanites were known for widespread idolatry, child sacrifice, and immoral practices. According to the Bible, God gave them hundreds of years to repent (Genesis 15:16), but they persisted in their sin. The destruction of Jericho (Joshua 6) was part of God’s judgment and also a way to protect Israel from being influenced by those same corrupt practices.

With Amalek, their judgment was also because of sin — specifically their attack on the Israelites when they were weak and vulnerable during the Exodus (Exodus 17:8-16, Deuteronomy 25:17-19). God told Israel to remember that evil and, in time, to act as His instrument of justice (1 Samuel 15).

These events are hard to understand from a modern perspective, but in their historical and spiritual context, they reflect both God's justice and His plan to establish a people who would eventually bring blessing and salvation to the world.

MaxInDHouse:
Guy, humans formed laws based on what happened in the past that they wanted to avoid it's reoccurrence when Moses killed an Egyptian he had to run away because of the law that says a killer must be killed.

The Egyptian laws were to protect the Egyptians only, The Egyptians oppressed the Hebrews, so their laws weren’t built to protect none Egyptians, in fact, it was used to control and enslave none Egyptians.
But the Old Testament Laws and Commandments are for the whole world not just for Israel.