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You are the illiterate that does not know that serious companies have never used your React crap so they have not reason to return to jQuery as they have always used jQuery.

ReactExpress:
Well done our resident illiterate still waiting on the 1 company that changed from react to jquery even if na Nigerian company we go manage am

ReactExpress:
Still waiting name 1 company that moved from react to jquery

None because no serious company will use those crap new frameworks you and your brothers are using to mess up frontend development.

You are the one that learnt nothing at school and when given a calculation will only use the minus key because to you all the other key are out dated.
You are an illiterate that does not have a clue of what software analysis and design is all about, all you know are the crap new frontend framework your brothers tell you to use just to help them promote their crap.

ReactExpress:
These are things any FE dev knows its why I don't bother educating or correcting him again. He doesn't understand all these things you have said, he will just run to one chat ai to get outdated info and post here. Its sad that human beings like this exist despite going through school. It now begs the question of what exactly did he learn in school.

ReactExpress:
Set up ke its like asking an illiterate to calculate 1 + 1 using a calculator. He doesn't even know where to start from.

I'm not like you that talk from your ass and can only setup simple hello world apps with React.

These are the kinds of projects I work on that React is of no use:
1. Enterprise-Level, Long-Lived Applications with Strict Stability Requirements
2. High-Performance, Low-Latency Real-Time Applications.
3. Large-Scale, SEO-Critical Websites (e.g., News, Blogs, E-commerce).
4. Apps With Limited or No JavaScript Support (e.g., Government, Accessibility-Heavy Apps)

Sultan5:
Set up a simple react app now with nextjs or react router 7 you will see they are not defending anything but speaking facts. No way you can lie about tools developer use every day and go scot free. I see you are still arguing this easily verifiable claim they made. Proving you can't write any frontend code to save your life. If you can you will easily verify this and not be speaking out of your ass

The creators of these new frameworks just want trend and because they control the tech space they have to use you and your brothers to push their crap new frameworks on every frontend project.

With these new framework crap their moto is: Move Fast, Break Stuff, Release a New Version.
When was React first released and now it has quickly reached version 19, yet those on version 18 cannot migrate to version 19, meaning they have to rewrite the front-end all over again before the can move away from the issues in version 18.

For Long-term stability, tell your React brothers to move to jQuery and forget about the new framework mafias pushing their crop on every project.

ReactExpress:
You are wasting energy just name 1 company please that switch from react to jquery. Just 1 we are still waiting

This is what you and your brothers projects ends up like after using React: Over a year later, what started as a simple medical appointments platform has become a cautionary tale of modern software development gone wrong. The unnecessary complexity introduced by poor technological choices has led to delays, increased costs, and frustrated developers - exactly the problems I’ve outlined above.

ReactExpress:
Lol its simple na its not rocket science we don't need to call Elon Musk for this. You have friends na, I am sure your blog post brother has friends too. So just name one, I am not asking for alot here, name only 1 big company you and your friends have been able to convince to leave react and move to jquery. We are waiting

You just want to code like an unqualified bricklayer that just wants to start laying blocks and saying the Architect does not know what his doing, just because his is a self taught bricklayer with degree a in chemistry and feels that's good enough to be a bricklayer. This is the reason Software Engineer is broken to pieces and need urgent regulation so that all programmers must have a professional qualification if programming that will include proper understanding of software Architecture to allow for long term maintainability.

Karleb:
The repo has 2 layers, we are not consuming an external api.

Its the business logic and the ui layer which already have 2 separate github repos, now the dummy project manger created 3 repos per layer, making it a total of 6 DIFFERENT REPOSITORIES! Just because it has 3 dashboards.

That's the most rookie thing I have seen in my life and I have spent the past 3 posts explaining it to a guy who doesn't code on this thread why it's a terrible idea.

It just reminds me of how a guy was arguing with a lawyer on Twitter and when they asked of his law degree, he said he learnt everything off suits series.

The project uses 2 repos now because that nonsense cannot happen on my watch.

You are the one that can't write frontend code to save your life. See how clueless you are not to know that Instagram is owned by Facebook the creator of React, so they will stay what the like to defend their React. You have now clue of what front-end development it, you are just following your brother above without know what you are doing.

Sultan5:
The guy you are talking to can't write frontend code to save his life. Let him keep advocating for jQuery, actual frontend dev will continue to use the better options out there no doubt about it. It's clear for everyone to see his 100% clueless about this. Even when he listed companies that left react he listed Instagram in the same post it was noted react was improved on to fix these issues by introducing server components. Anyone who know an atom will understand that the reason most of those companies left react has been fixed and addressed with server components that let you serve pages with very little js and with 100% SEO compatibility.

The fact he wrote that and still don't understand its implications and he think its a plus in his argument says all you need to know

That's the problem where the mafias that have taken over tech, they don't get fired. The organisation will rather protect them and let the project fail than to get the mafias fired. Also these mafias will also try to bad mouth the qualified competent developers in their team and tried to make themselves look they are the ones that know how to do the work, they do this by asking for pair programming with a qualified competent developer. Many viable projects are being scraped because the mafias without CS,SE or CE are the ones in charge of most tech teams. Even with CS,SE or CE degrees a developer would still have to develop themselves with complex personal project to be able to aply the knowledge to their organisations complex projects in order to make them successful.

Three or four years in uni studying computer science (CS), software engineering (SE) or computer engineering (SE) can never be acquired elsewhere, plus self development during and after uni. With regulation there will also be CPD, Continuing Professional Development to make sure that developer keep their knowledge up to date.

Revealpanda:
People can also memorize to pass an exam then get a cert so what's your point?
😒

Also passing an interview isn't where it ends
After passing the interview you still need to build stuff....

If later they realize you don't know shyt as a self taught programmer or one from computer science background you'll still get fired either ways....

As long as you're competent and knowledgeable your stuff you'll be good.


Go and watch 3 idiots my friend 😁

If you cannot read my comments then you should forever hold your peaces in ignorance.

You mates that don't want to hear of jQuery are the ones adverting them not to use jQuery, just because they want to trend by saying they are using the latest frameworks, but does not want to admit that jQuery is better.

Event the Hotwire/Turbo one of them have moved to still have these issues:

Turbo aims to minimize JavaScript, but some applications with complex, dynamic interactivity may face challenges when trying to fully leverage Turbo’s model.
Problem: Highly dynamic UI elements (e.g., complex forms or components with lots of interactive states) that rely on client-side JavaScript may not fit well with Turbo’s server-driven approach.
Impact: It may require workarounds or introducing more custom JavaScript to handle specific interactivity that Turbo doesn’t naturally support.

ReactExpress:
Do you know the funny thing everything you listed here only proves my point.

None not one even consider moving to jquery

I have always said there are alot of alternatives but jquery isn't one of them. Thank you for proving my point without a reasonable doubt.

Show us one company that moved from react to jquery oga. Or forever hold your peace

Most tech jobs even at Google only want experience. And for those that do coding test, well passing a coding test most people can memorise is not barrier to entry.
Google collaborates with university computer science departments worldwide through various research grants, funding programs and partnerships. These initiatives support academic research, PhD students and faculty members working on cutting-edge technology. So you need to know that Google does not joke when it come to their core technologies that's why they collaborate with computer science departments all around the world.

Revealpanda:
Who told you programming have no barrier to entry?


Why not take Revealpanda grandmother who knows nothing about programming and make her send her CV to Google.

These companies have dropped or avoided your React, but because they are been misinformed by your mates they don't want to go back to jQuery, so they are going to still be dropping the new frameworks they have moved to.

1. Airbnb (Partial Rollback of React & React Native)
Issue: Airbnb initially adopted React Native for mobile development but later abandoned it due to performance issues, integration problems, and developer experience challenges.
What happened?
Difficulty integrating React Native with native code.
Slower performance compared to fully native solutions.
Issues maintaining a unified React Native codebase across Android & iOS.
Result: Airbnb switched back to native development but still uses React.js for their web app.
Source: Airbnb Engineering Blog

2. Twitter Lite (Switched from React to Preact for Performance)
Issue: Twitter initially used React for its lightweight mobile web app but faced bundle size and performance bottlenecks on low-end devices.
What happened?
React’s large bundle size (~40KB) slowed down initial load times.
Increased JS execution time on slower devices.
Twitter needed a more lightweight alternative to improve UX.
Result: They switched from React to Preact, a smaller alternative (~3KB), improving load times and performance.
Source: Twitter Engineering Blog

3. Instagram (Struggles with React’s Performance in Complex UIs)
Issue: Instagram, owned by Meta (the creators of React), faced performance issues with React in their web app, especially with state-heavy components.
What happened?
Large component trees led to inefficient re-renders.
Complex animations and interactions suffered from React’s reconciliation process.
Memory usage spiked when handling extensive media content.
Result: Instagram had to optimize React performance aggressively and introduced server-side rendering (SSR) and memoization techniques to handle the issues.
Source: Internal reports & discussions from Instagram engineers.

4. Medium (Dropped React for Preact)
Issue: Medium initially used React but switched to Preact due to performance and bundle size concerns.
What happened?
React’s large bundle size slowed down page loads.
Heavy client-side rendering (CSR) caused delays in rendering content quickly.
Result: Medium moved to Preact, which provided similar capabilities with a smaller footprint.
Source: Developer reports & discussions.

5. Basecamp (Dropped React for Hotwire/Turbo)
Issue: Basecamp (creators of Ruby on Rails) initially used React for dynamic UI elements but found it too complex for their needs.
What happened?
React’s state management was overly complicated for their architecture.
Too much JavaScript overhead for an app that needed mostly HTML-based updates.
Result: They switched to Hotwire/Turbo, a server-driven approach that minimized frontend complexity.
Source: Basecamp Blog

6. GitHub Avoids React
What happened?
What happened?
Slow initial page loads – React’s client-side rendering (CSR) required downloading and processing large JavaScript bundles before displaying content.
High JavaScript overhead – GitHub’s UI is mostly static, and React’s reactivity system added unnecessary complexity.
Performance issues on large repositories – React’s reconciliation process slowed down rendering complex diffs and issue threads.
Security concerns – Using minimal JavaScript reduced the risk of cross-site scripting (XSS) attacks.
SEO challenges – Server-rendered HTML ensured that GitHub’s content remained fully indexable by search engines.

ReactExpress:
Lol so jquery is built on the moon not javascript. You are sounding less intelligent every single post you make.

Even with all these issues I will gladly die on the hill of react than step one foot on that of jquery. You cannot pay me enough to go through that torture.

But does react 19 have all those your many problems you have been listing upandan do well to ask chatgpt lets hear what it has to say.

As much as I hate react I still come back to it. I ran away to solid, to vue to svelte to astro to remix even to qwik trust me I have ran places. But react just feels like home, when I want to build scalable website react is my go to because its tested and trusted. When I want to build smaller website I experiment.

But you see your precious jquery, I use it for one site several years ago and I have never returned and will never returned. Although I did see they pushed a new update late last year. Made me think of giving it a chance but nah, when you can have chicken why settle for chewing stick

Revealpanda:
You mean immediately you graduate from a school with a cert, you loose the ability to become a tech mafia boss?
😒

If Medicine, Pharmacy, nursing, Architecture, Structural Engineering, have no barrier to entry like Software Engineering same way you'll have mafias with no certs in these fields controlling those sectors.
Sure you'll be thanking God too if that those fields were controlled by mafias with not certs in those fields.

All these new frameworks you want to die on are all built on JavaScript and the creators are just after making a name for themselves rather than coming out with something as stable as jQuery that can handle any task properly.

These are still the issues with the latest version of React 19 you want to die on:
Migration Challenges – The React 19 migration tool has bugs, making it difficult to upgrade from React 18. Some issues stem from the new JSX transform.
Suspense Behavior Changes – Suspense now prevents sibling components from pre-rendering, potentially causing performance issues due to sequential data fetching.
Dependency Conflicts – Some third-party libraries, like @testing-library/react, are still optimized for React 18, leading to compatibility issues.
Ecosystem Compatibility – Many React libraries and tools have not yet fully adapted to React 19, causing version conflicts and upgrade difficulties.

ReactExpress:
This one doesn't even know there is react 19

Thats all I will say about your delusion. You need help brother seriously this is troubling. The chat bot that is helping you isn't doing a good job at all

I don't use react for all my project thats why I listed several other js framework for you. There was simple site I did for someone some months ago I used Astro js.

Unlike you that want to die with jquery and that you can build every site with jquery. I will never use jquery for any website, because there are so many better options to pick from. React isn't the only kid in town them plenty and I recommend. But jquery you are on your own in that madness

You and your mates using React for every project without doing analysis as to which framework is best, but just use React are the ones that are ignorant and continue to show pride in your ignorance.

You still cannot describe projects you have worked on that jQuery cannot do.

Even with version 18: These are still the Issues Not Fully Fixed in React:
Performance Overhead in complex applications (deep component trees, frequent updates).
Bundle Size and dependency-heavy applications.
SEO challenges with client-side rendering (especially in dynamic apps).
Memory Leaks due to improper cleanup.
Overhead in simpler apps due to React's abstraction.
Fragmented ecosystem and tool/library compatibility issues.
Handling complex forms or large UI components with high performance.
Unpredictable performance with Concurrent Mode.

ReactExpress:
You see another reason why I said you and your blog post brother are cut from the same cloth. When I mentioned server components and how it makes serving webpage at fast speed you didn't see it. Oh yeah I stated it in the post you are still using touch light to find . Sorry oh maybe I should stop answering so you stop disgracing yourself.

Every thing you mentioned are problems with create react app which has been deprecated already. Lemme guess you didn't know same way you didn't know React doesn't use signals . Oh right you thought it was Websocket... Sure sure

You are a joker I swear, you are trying so hard to sound like you know what you're talking about. But time after time you keep showing you are a lost puppy. With literally zero insight. Please do well do go to the official react page and set up a react project any of the ways they recommend and see if you will have these issues.

Ignorance is really a bad thing. But ignorance with pride is the worst.

You are just spilling out trash dues to your ignorance. Bringing in js signals mean you don't even know what you are taking about and you are the one that had problem with English at school.

Let me lecture you on React you think you know but you are even ignorant of. In React, events like onClick, onChange, and onSubmit can be seen as signals.

Here are the key Downsides of React on the Client’s Machine
Increased initial load time due to large JavaScript bundles.
Memory consumption for rendering complex UIs and handling state.
Increased JavaScript execution time can cause slowdowns on lower-end devices.
Dependency on JavaScript—no fallback if JS is disabled.
SEO challenges without server-side rendering.
Performance overhead on low-end devices or for complex applications.
Difficult debugging in larger apps with deep component trees.
Fragmented ecosystem of React libraries can cause incompatibility issues.
Abstraction overhead can sometimes hinder performance for simpler apps.

You are running away from my question to describe what projects you have used React for that jQuery cannot do but to hide you ignorance you are jumping around to show more of your ignorance.

ReactExpress:
Lol this guys desperately trying to get a W . I am sorry I can't take you seriously any more. You have displayed your ignorance for all to see.

How will anyone who have their head together and knows the js ecosystems be thinking about Websocket when I mentioned signals and I even stated they aren't used in react. If your head cannot boot after hearing the context that you now have to bring wack narrative to safe face, I don't know. You don't have anything else to say.

I won't be surprised if you struggle with English in school. I literally address your first paragraph above when I quoted that message. But instead of addressing it like a normal human being you ran away and started drawing weird comparison of jquery with other languages when we are talking about frameworks in the same language. And then made the powerful claim that React js uses signals.

How will you even read my response when all you do is carry ego and spit trash. If you were speaking facts self eh we can manage the ego. But this one facts patapata you nor get. Na why you dey use touch light find wetin no lose. Na why you think FE dev should use jquery in 2025. Just vibes I swear, I can't take you seriously again brother

It you that has a problem with using jQuery in 2025. I have asked you to describe the projects you have done with React that jQuery cannot do but instead you are jumping around with your ignorance.

You do even know what JavaScript signals are. JavaScript signals can be just a click or keypress, but I was referring to advance JS signals like Signals in WebSockets. Shows you don't even know what all the different types of JS signals are.

I mentioned programing languages as well as they are not different from choosing the right framework to use for a project, but you were ignorance of these example I made.

You are the ones the blog writer is referring to that will just use a tool they only know for a project and will end up not being able to deliver the project or will deliver one that does not me the users needs.

ReactExpress:
React doesn't use js signals oga, react uses virtual dom. Try to learn things before spitting trash. Framework like solidjs use signals.

And who is promoting react? I am only responding to the massive ignorance on display. I even mentioned several other frameworks

How is JQuery synonymous to java and C and the likes. The level of mental gymnastics you have to do to relate both in this context is crazy. Jquery is a js framework others I mentioned are js frameworks.

I literally listed some few bone of contention in using jquery obviously you have no insight into the js ecosystem to respond to them, to even say React uses signals just proves you have no idea what you are talking about. You just dey open mouth waaa like your blog post brother. No solid ground of knowledge to stand on just vibes.

These are all again frameworks, the idea of jquery was to improve developer experience with vanilla js. Other framwork that came after did jquery jobs 10 times better. No project requirement will make any frontend dev use jquery in 2025, you can take that to the bank except they are like you with no knowledge no hands on experience just vibes and all talk.

You don't know something you will not ask questions and learn. Na to carry ego dey yarn trash. See how you disgrace yourself now. I even rated you high small but as you mentioned react uses signals I know say this one is gone, you have nothing to contribute to this discusss.

So you mean because Fortran, C or C++ or Java or Ruby or VBScript are old means they should not be used anymore when there are new languages out now? This is the problem with the low barrier to entry in programming and the tech world, you see someone with a degree in maths, chemistry, biology etc or no degree at all but just a coding boot camp and they are all calling themselves Software Engineers. When the word Software Engineer should only be reserved for those with a degree in computer science or software engineering or computer engineering because these are the people who will first analyse a project requirement to determine which language and framework is best for the software application before they will begin to code. But those without these degrees will just use any latest language or framework just because it's the latest not knowing what type of projects they are good for.

You can use React with JavaScript Signals for real-time updates. Means your don't even know much about React you are promoting here.

In 2025 you can die on your ignorance not knowing when and what each framework is good for.

ReactExpress:
Oh I definitely knew it wasn't your post, which is why my comment weren't directed to you.

Your last paragraph is confusing, how is my mention of signals and project with React that JQuery cannot do correlate? React doesn't use signals. E be like say you and the blog poster are cut from the same cloth, no wonder you agree with him

Also I never said jquery can't be used for websites. But its an old technology, and the developer experience with it compared to newer technologies like React, vue, svelte, solidjs are miles away. You will almost always develop any website at faster speed and efficiency with these technologies than using jquery where you have to do the monotonous selection of dom elements before doing anything with them. To do a simple incremental count will see you jumping from one file to the other like a headless chicken. Manipulation of css even loading api data on the page require tedious unnecessary code setup. These are all done with ease in react. With the power of new technologies like server components, you can serve pages at lightning speed.

I mean its 2025 if you want to die on that hill feel free, each his own but the blog post writer is definitely out dated in his views. I can very much relate because I have actually worked with developers like him in the past. Too rigid to learn new things, too stiff to bend to modern approach. How can you be a developer and not be willing to learn,

Revealpanda:
Take God men like you don't run the tech world.

Competence defeats certificates and degrees anytime.... As long as you're competent you're good to go.

After all before a hire and interview is carried out.
So makes dad paid a computer scientist to teach his son Programming

How's that different from learning programming from a computer scientist online yourself as long as you understand what's being taught.
You should also stop confusing and lumping computer scientist and programmers in one basket

But you are thanking God that mafias are the ones running the tech world.

Having a computer science teacher come and tech someone at home is even better than what they will learn in a lecture room.

ReactExpress:
So use jquery instead of react that obviously someone that hasn't done frontend in a very long time. Whats wrong with mongoDB? Also seems like someone who hasn't used mongoDB since 1700s. Mongoose makes mongoDB essentially a relational database.

All I see here is just an old programmer stuck in his ways, not willing and open to update his knowledge and understanding of technologies he so much criticise.

Even with jquery and a SQL database, if the developers don't know what they are doing which will likely be the case if they are building a website with jquery in 2025, they will still struggle to deliver.

I am pretty sure if you ask this guy what are signals in javascript he will have never heard of it. These are the dangers of living in your own little bubble, not willing to keep your self updated.

The blog post is not mine but I agree with many of his comments.

You mentioned signals in JavaScript, so describe the projects you have done with React that jQuery cannot do?

helinues:
Why are you sounding like a kiddo?

You are the one sounding like a kiddo, since you cannot use it on yourself, record it and post it on youtube

emperor4love:
last year December the tie one fulani rope for my body by a magician, then use knife to cut round my neck, blood was no were to show or have no cut, the took the knife round my neck to entertain ppl,this is just one,if I should name many u will still doubt

There are camera phones now, you can record it and post it on youtube

The Zangbeto exposed here

https://www.youtube.com/shorts/x59WKCoR4uM?feature=share

helinues:
Pikin no sabi juju, he dey call am vegetables

If they hit you with some rings, then you will know how long our tongue is. It will come out. Just a touch

Test it on yourself with the ring, record it with your phone and post it on youtube.

helinues:
So from the video you posted, who did you see inside?

It's done through some secretive and masterful techniques

helinues:
There is nothing inside than black magic. I have watched one of the videos that only carved statue was inside and the thing was not only moving but rotating fast.

Actual Explanation: There is a skilled performer inside, expertly maneuvering the masquerade while remaining unseen. Through secretive and masterful techniques, they create the illusion that the Zangbeto moves independently.

helinues:
Empty dance? Why not ask what's making the Zangbeto to move without anyone inside

There must be someone hiding inside!

But this empty dancing structure in Benin Republic, who can explain it?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jyFByfd9qoE

helinues:
Black magic is not different from quantum physics.

Like this fake one!


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=voFDNStzd9U

Your useless takes will not allow you to know that Bill Gates got windows technology from Xerox, which was developed by computer scientists.
Mark Zuckerberg's dad hired a computer lecturer to tech him programming when he was still in school so he already had a solid programming foundation from a lecturer.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pQocN_c2uLI

Revealpanda:
You and your useless takes.

With this logic we wouldn't have the Bill gates, Elon musk and Mark Zuckerberg of today
Yes, they were all dropouts when the built their billion dollar companies.



You with your degrees and certificates what exactly have you built?

Now with camera phones why have all the black magic disappeared?

Babtunz:
You're against companies using microservices or ochestration tools like Kubernetes just because the dev team consists of 6-7 engineers? Is it the team size alone that determines whether to use these tools or not, or the complexity of the product the company is building and other data points such as the number of users the company is serving?

True the blog writer is wrong on that one! The use of Kubernetes should the determined by the number of different operating systems the application will deployed to which will then require containerization and not by the number of developers in the team.