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johnydon22:
why should it be limited to the bible.. their are thousands of other God concepts and other religious books...

Ok so your strong convictions is from the bible... wooooow makes perfect sense...

Now why do you believe the bible god and not other god like the muslim allah, hindhu krishna and many more...?

Maybe you can ask justfollowit as regard to allah, but our discussion is based on lucifer and YHWH or there is nothing worth discussing.

davien:
So why does someone(specifically an omnipotent "god" ) who hates evil permit the occurence of evil?(under the notion of its alleged omnipotence)

OH, I get your point, yes God is all powerful, but like you said, He 'permits' evil because He has given to all freewill. Those that pass His test would be called Sons of God. Also, God created evil, yes He did! For if a man creates light, he has automaticaly created darkness (light in its zero state) If you create joy, you automatically produce sadness. So did the LORD God create evil because He made good.

[quote author=Justfollowit post=31791293][/quote]What if he's the type that beats his girl and treats her as slave? 'And he said unto them, Take heed, and beware of covetousness: for a man's life consisteth not in the abundance of the things which he possesseth.' Luke 12:15

johnydon22:
And how did you know this?

The Holy Bible of course or you're talking of another book? Cos I think this argument should be limited to Bible.

johnydon22:
here is his question


He asked how you know "god" is good and "satan" is bad and how you derived it and how demonstrable it is, not the difference between good and bad...

I think you need to try answering that question again..
e.g ask me how do i know osama is bad and bill gates is good ; i will simple say cus osama hurts people and kill them while bill gates is active in charitable works... their deeds.. dont know where you got this idea of conscience to know god and satan which is good or bad..

Okay! I get your question @davien , I know satan is evil because he condones evil and rebellion, while God hates and detests evil and doesn't deal with it lightly.

Hoes everywhere .

God knows best.

johnydon22:
How does this answer the question

continue reading the argument, you'll get to understand.

freecocoa:
Why should I be the one paying for it? Can't they just get the money directly from God since they are using it for his work?

You must be a very intelligent lady, where have women like you been hiding all this while?

davien:
Are you sure this is your answer?...because you've just defeated a core principle in your faith...

You asked me if there is difference between Good and Bad, i.e how we know God is good and Satan is evil, then I said its made known by our conscience, even the effects of such actions on us whether it inflicts pain or happiness.

davien:
A labourer is basically a wage paid individual.....tell me where church workers are required to be paid.

It seems you've never opened up a Bible.

davien:
Powerful? No,just basic questions....but since you think you're up to the task...I'll ask one.

How do you know "god" is good and "satan" is bad?(note that "know" is bolded, meaning tell us how such knowledge was derived and is it demonstrable?)

For when the Gentiles, which have not the law, do by nature the things contained in the
law, these, having not the law, are a law unto themselves: The knowledge of Good and evil is in us.

AdamuUcheOla:
Read up on the criticism of Pascal's wager :http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pascal%27s_wager#Criticism

You are right, but that doesn't remove the fact he's got good points.

davien:
Did the doctrine ever permit paying workers?...Did "jesus" tell his alleged disciples to "follow me and I'll pay you"?

And in the same house remain, eating and drinking such things as they give: for the
labourer is worthy of his hire. Luke 10:7

davien:
Explain to me the bolded and where I ever implied such...
And you've established that you're ready to resort to insults to deviate scrutiny of your mythology..

Can everyone here see a perfect example of a theist willing to do just about anything(including lying) just to spread the belief?

Direct your POWERFUL questions at me.

freecocoa:
How people can take their hard earned money to go and give someone to pray for them to earn more money, beats me.

How can "God" who has all the money in the world, need money from me, before he can give me more money? What does he need my money for biko?

The church pays workers, they do charitable works, go for seminars, they pay the church bills and get security and generator when there is no electricity.

Party of rogues. What a shame! What example is he setting for his kids?

MightyMuna:
This is the epitome of beating around the bush and obfuscation.
I'll not engage you any further.

Don't sound assertive, I've just given my opinion on the issue, its yours to counter me or give me the things you wish I had written on. Give me the obvious passages in the Bible that points to your view of things, then give me your time that I may educate you.

Kay17:
Nigeria has had a long history of carrying the death sentence, this history with it's long line of scapegoats has clearly not worked. There is in fact a drastic increase in armed robberies.

You see, He who comes to equity must come with clean hands. Robberies are increasing because of poverty and massive corruption, but in cases where govt is doing its best and executing corrupt office holders, its a good move and will surely work.

Kay17:
wouldn't that be better than killing him? if the criminal is rehabilitated and made a useful part of the community, isnt that better than savagely destroying him?! because criminals themselves are victims as well.

It is called CONSTRUCTIVE FEAR. They are scapegoats.

Ishilove:
You must indeed be a newbie

What actually is your FAITH based on? I mean, why do you regect God?

MightyMuna:
We, mortal men, our love and mercy is supposedly nothing compared to that of God's.

But please, tell me what YOUR OWN CHILD can do to you that warrants you to TORTURE HIN FOR ETERNITY.
So because he denies you as his father or insults you or what did he do that you believe it is FAIR to torture him FOREVER?

YAHWEH is not a monster, it is those that fail to understand that are, in fact we can't really blame them cos sometimes YAHWEH speaks in parables. There is nowhere in the Bible that states that hell is till eternity.
Jesus warned that we should not fear those that can destroy the body but HE that candestroy body and soulin hell. A parable of Jesus about a man planting a vineyard and the enemy coming to sow weed among the good plants, which the man knowing this, suffered not to destroy the weeds lest the good ones be destroyed. The man waited until the vine was ripe for harvest anddestroyedthe weed in fire. Do you burn weeds forever? Another is the story of Noah's Ark, where God destroyed the people once, whose difference from the pending destruction is fire, are they still being destroyed today in water? They were killed once witheternaleffects: they died once and died forever, the same way it is impossible for weed burnt to rise again cos the effect of the Burning had eternal effect.
To nail it on the head, in order to clarify doubt Jude 1:7 called the fire of Sodom eternal fire! Is Sodom burning today? Certainly not. They were burnt once with eternal effects. Though some may point to the Story of Lazarus and the rich man but I want us to know it was only for the purpose of admonition and not for the purpose of telling us what hell is about. The LORD shall destroy evil men and affliction shall not rise second time.

Ishilove:
Lmao! Yeyenatu

So you are also atheist !

Welcome to the world where men are tagged as being abusive and women victim. The fact still remain that men contribute most in 70% of homes in Nigeria. This nuisance has to stop, I'm the head of my household, no one's view is acceptable, I run it the way I deem feet (when married). Lazy, rebellious and ungrateful women. Spits on the ground. Little wonder why these 'over-worked' women outlive their husband. If the work is 'too much', employ a maid or get a younger wife for your 'lazy' husband, the latter is the reason why our mothers were rich and industrous.

Nice move

South Africa is our wife, she will cry again.

ooman:
Why would I agree? What have you said that will make me agree with this nonsense.

Your signature makes me remember this lamentation of Job ---> Why do the wicked live, reach old age, and grow mighty in power? Job 21:7
This post makes me remember this Saying of Jesus, the Son of the most High--> They are like unto children sitting in the marketplace, and calling one to another, and saying, We have piped unto you, and ye have not danced; we have mourned to you, and ye have not wept. Luke 7:32

Justfollowit:
What if it was

Nope, I was referring to the guys with lame arguments and apparently that includes you

What are you going to do

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Justfollowit:
What if it was

Nope, I was referring to the guys with lame arguments and apparently that includes you

What are you going to do

I am a Mysterious Flying Spaghetti Monster.

Justfollowit:
That was obviously exxagerated but how is it different from this ‘I am ho.rny, would you like to help' - Yep, that was from a friend's acquittance.

They are would-be armed robbers

You know, I'm not ubiquitous in knowledge , my knowledge about a subject ends where that of another starts.

Sophyrocks:
This isnt emotional talk. These are based on experiences asides the first point i made.

We can agree to disagree.

Justfollowit:
If only you could climb off your high horses and view issues rationally you would realise how lame you sound.

I sincerely hope this wasn't meant for me.