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Religion should not be permitted to create public disturbances and nuisance but Nigeria js a country that has nothing to offer but allows religion to fester in order to keep the people deluded in their pursuit of enjoyment in a heaven after suffering immensely here in Nigeria.

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God bless you, my fellow cattle fooker!

KingGBsky:
Coming from a moniker miyettiallah. I spit on your moniker

Why the spray saliva everywhere?

And why did you mention me?

GUMY:
Now, you can kindly discuss alone since you have already reached the point of complete illogical talk.
I knew this might happen. You place an ethnocentric yoruba with proof that he is full of it, and then his only way out is to throw away logics.
Now "maps are not really maps, they are just drawings which mean nothing."
OK, have fun in yaba left, tell them I sent you there, they will give you preferential treatment like all the other ethnocentric yoruba whom I sent there.

You are not bright, not in the slightest bit.

You posted maps and quickly interpreted it to mean Benin occupied most of Yorubaland. I ask that you provide texts stating this in support of your interpretations.

If you had any modicum of common sense you would know maps from earlier centuries were drawn to emphasise the point of interest for the explorer and it usually comes with narratives describing what informed the map.

No European Historian has interpreted those ‘maps’ to mean what you said because that would mean exposing their career to ridicule. Until the texts accompanying the maps are provided then they are just drawings. There are maps showing with Gwandu printed from Sokoto all the way across almost into Igbo land and we know Fulani never ventured there in their marauding days. Do we then interprete Fulani occupied there?

Provide European written papers describing Bini, until then allof you on NL have nothing to say just noises.

GUMY:
I guess you were there and witnessed the europeans not going into the interrior ? right ?
By the way, is Benin city on the coast or in the interrior ?
These europeans visited Benin City, right ?

If they did, the records will be available.

At least we know of Clapperton that trekked from Borno to Sokoto; M. Park that trekked from Borno to Niger river; Landers that trekked from Badagry to Sokoto and to Onitsha and so on.

There is no record of Europeans going into Yorubaland with Bini.

GUMY:
Me "debating" history with you is like a physics professor debating physics with a primary one student.

LMAO

Says a man who does not know contemporary writing is at best a chronicle except complemented with other evidences.

Mr. Historical Document. What school did you go to?

GUMY:
To think that you would even shamelessly claim that archeological discovery shows Benin to be somehow from ife, or Edo art to be derived from ife/yoruba art ? Do you think I am 5 years old ? Do you personnally think I haven't disproved this laughable claim hundreds of times ?
If only one could tell why you guys keep repeating the same debunked stories while talking to those who (your brain should inform you) have debunked these claims multiple times ?
@miyettiallah, Next time you want to rewrite history, make sure your IQ is higher and make sure you actually know what history is.

LMAO.

Young man, you need to stop spamming NL with those links. They mean absolutely nothing without supporting texts. It is just that, a drawing.

You have not debunked anything, not even your Oba has debunked anything, not to mention you uneducated lot who run around NL spamming us with no source.

@ the emboldened: says a person who does not know what objectivity & historical evidence are.

GUMY:
I believe I have spared you enough of my precious time. Why are you guys always so cocky ? Why do you automatically assume that you are talking to a dummy who would somehow be amenable to support yoruba ethnocentirc beliefs ? It is just a huge lack of respect for the person talking to you when you just bring the most laughable claims and think you have a point. I mean is it that difficult to just be logical. You make claim A, you provide a mathematical proof of claim A.
You don't make claims which you can't prove.
Is it so difficult ?

You have not proven anything, young man.

You still haven’t provided written documents of Europeans describing what you said.

I am still waiting.

GUMY:
If you want to talk then refrain from your non logical talk.
These are maps of the Benin Kingdom, drawn by the map makers accompanying the traders who came into west Africa for trade.
These maps are physically present in the Bibliothèque nationale de France.
The names of the authors are written in the website, if you manange to learn how to use a computer you will be able to readf them.
If you want to be illogical by debating something which has just been proven, then you can talk alone, I have no time for this nonesense.

These are maps made by map makers who did not get to the interior. Did the Europeans go to Ekiti, Owo, Ondo, Akoko before drawing the map?

How this is a representation of your claim is a wonder.

GUMY:
Let A be an event.
Actually, a historical document of event A is a docuent writen about event A at the time period of event A.

This shows you have no training in History research & writing.

Smh.

GUMY:
Ok, you want to talk, let us talk.
Give me the archeological discovery which makes Benin art a fruit of ife.

Wow, hang in there cowboy.

We are both aware of who Iguegha was and what he did.

GUMY:
Can you read maps ?
I just keep wondering, how many times shall I post the maps before you develop the ability to read them ?



This one dates to around 1699:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595525w/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

An other map of Benin made in the 17th century once again:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b530530714.r=Benin?rk=214593;2

An other map of Benin from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595583b.r=Benin?rk=193134;0

This one date to the 19th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8469390z/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

An other map from the 17th century:
http://gallica.bnf.fr/ark:/12148/btv1b8595527q/f1.item.r=Benin.zoom

Sweet Jesus.

What do you want me to make of the maps exactly?

You inferred parts of Yorubaland was under Benin because the ‘Benin’ was printed boldly on the pages of your document?

You my friend are tripping. For that map to have any form of interpretations, those who drew it must be known and the narratives around it be made public.

There are maps focusing on Yorubaland with ‘Yoruba’ printed bolding across. Would one then assume Yoruba armies conquered all the way into South South? Because this is your logic with this spam you have confused for facts you keep posting.

GUMY:
I swear these guys think history is just like a religious debate in which you quote book A and then book B, and talk about the reputation of the authors and the talent of the authors. Nope, history is only about reading eyewitness accounts or reading archeological discoveries.

Chet, see product od UniBen & Ekpoma

Abeg serenade me ‘eye witness accounts’ of Europeans saying a chunk of Yoruba land was part of Bini Empire, I’m waiting.

As for acheological discoveries, please do not go there. It will further embarrass you because it is common knowledge world over that Bini’s archeological findings make Bini an appendage of Ife. In essence, Bini learnt its art from Yoruba.

Sad stuff if you think about it. . A whole ‘great Bini that conquered the whole southern Nigeria learnt art from ‘Afonja’.

GUMY:
Could someone remind some fools that history is not written in books but on historical documents ?
Also could someone ask the fools what a historical document is ?

Like I said earlier, a little more banter will expose you and here you are falling apart as I expected. You are not in the least a History student, yet, you proudly typed a post about what history is and gleefully clicked ‘submit’.

A Historical document including but not limited to colonial reports, expedition journals, missionary documents and so on are written on papers/books. They serve as ‘primary sources’ to history research and writing but not without being subjected to thorough vetting.

You have no books on Bini history except your Oba’s orgasmic fantasy collections. Now, cite historical documents, 5 different ones. I’ll wait.

GUMY:
The most foolish thing is when one of the fools believe history is debatable. For your info fool, history is written on historical documents. All you can do is bring the documents out and read them. There is no place for debate.

Wow, throwing insults now are we?

I can report you and have you banned but I won’t tow that line. I want you to up ypur argument by providing European documents on Bini showing a chunk of Yorubaland was under Bini empire

Cite 5 historical documents by Europeans emphasising your claim.

GUMY:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh2Tac1gNPU&t=78s

A youtube video is now some type of ‘proof’ in Bini people’s scholarship

LMAO, did you know these bronzes were taught to you by Yoruba people?

Look, you have no crutches to rest the weight of your claims on. If you want youtube videos on Ife/Yoruba, they abound on the internet greatly; if you want to talk art, google Leo Frobenius’ institute to see what just one man collected on Ife then see German, British & American museums.

Bini was the first to have contact with Europeans. The Europeans could not venture into the interiors of Yoruba land because of Malaria Fever & Ijebu people and at this time they were mingling freely with you lot.

In spite of your interactions with them, even with their king, they didn’t find it worthy to document things about you lot in writing.

Yet, starting from the 19th century when Europeans began to venture into Yorubaland like the Clappertons, Landers, Campbells, Hinderers, Bowens, Frobenius etc the Europeans documented a great deal of information on Yoruba people and they still keep finding bew data yearly to explore, why?

The foremost Bini Historian was Bradbury and then PC Lloyd. They also ran out of things to write about, why?

GUMY:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nh2Tac1gNPU&t=78s

LMAO.

Did you seriously post all of those links as a come back?

God, when I saw the links I was mad excited over the thoughts of getting knew knowledge. Did you really just share maps of European rendition of Bini contact? Is that all you have?

As for the video, what am I supposed to do with it exactly?

Are these your sources?

GUMY:
The fact that after violating rule 2 the pro-yoruba moderators decided to take no action against you doesn't really make me want to talk to you.
The fact that you think you can order me arround is just an other show of your mindlessness.
The fact that you are asking for "books" is an other sign of lack of intelligence.
Let me just help you: type gallica on nairaland or just go through my posts.
Be smart enough, I owe you nothing and I already told you that I don't have time to discuss history with an emotional toddler who seems to be convinced of his "superior intellect".

- You just falsely accused a moderator.

- You are emotional an unaware you broke a rule yourself with your first post.

- You want to get me banger up in order that your post can remain.

- I was mot expecting to be able to cite any references for your jargon. You just want to regale us with emotional bants. I have no time for such pendantic stuff. You want me to take you serious? Cite sources for your claims.

- Intelligence is knowing History is not for everyone. If you want to do it, be bright enough to know that hard facts with sources carry a lot of weight.

I have no interests in your posts or that of garlic’s. I waht to read from authorities, known researches not resident NL falsehood peddlers. I can’t, cite 5 books that revolve around your claims & I will take you serious.

GUMY:
You have nothing to teach me and your take on history is emotional, not factual.
You are deriding yourself by pretending to have any sort of objectivity.
Why you want to discuss history knowing full well that you have nothing (except books written by yoruba people in the colonial and post colonial era) to quote is beyond me. It seems you guys sometimes believe that you can change the past with deceptive argumentation.
The past has already happened, accept it and move on.

Wait, you talk of objectivity and emotions yet you write the emboldened?

- If you don’t understand, I mean, in History as a professional field nobody writes anything and it becomes widely accepted without the hurdle of massive scrutiny world over?

- Did you know the books written by Yoruba historians in colonial & pre-colonial times were and are still subjected to scrutinity till today and are held as solid works all over the world?

- Did you know that poorly researched worked is enough to ruin a Historian’s career not to mention falsified claims?

- Did you know that those works you scoff at are in the libraries of top schools all over the world? And they regard them as classics?

- Did you know that no Historian of Benin origin has come out to write most of the claims you lot pass off as facts on the internet?

- Did you know the reason none of your sons/daughters who are Historians have written/published your claims on NL is because they are baseless emotional rants with no factual basis that will lead to career suicide if embarked upon?

- Did you know that your revisionism which you consider ‘History’ has its roots in just one book in the whole world written by your Oba?

- Did you know every serious academic treats that book like a used toilet paper? They avoid it because it is utter tosh.

- Did you know that Bini were the first to have contact with the Europeans & the first to get their Education?

- Did you know it is not the fault of the Yoruba that we have better History than you do so much that we began to document in writing from Samuel Johnson?

- Did you know if your revisionisms held water, European researchers who are looking to break new grounds would have tapped into it?

- Did you know Europeans see Bini’s History as exagerrated and it is why they refer to it as a ‘Kingdom’.

- Did you know it is only you lot who refer to Benin as an empire? Every scholar who knows his onions refer to it as a kingdom because that is what it is.

- Did you know Bini’s military exploits were largely within the present day Edo region and its vestiges outside Edo region is largely due to trade and migration?

- Did you know that despite Bini’s acclaimed military might that Ogedengbe an Ijesa man marched against Bini but your Oba had to beg & placate him?

- Did you know your Oba’s revisionst junk was based off of emotions from the 1960s at the Western Regions house meetings that led to the struggle for the creation of Mid Western state.

If we get to debating, I can cite numerous European literatures but you will only be citing your Oba’s book a whole lot of ‘dem say, dem say rants’ off as facts. Going by this, do you now know that you are the one who will be arguing off of emotions & not book citations?

GUMY:
You have nothing to teach me and your take on history is emotional, not factual.
You are deriding yourself by pretending to have any sort of objectivity.
Why you want to discuss history knowing full well that you have nothing (except books written by yoruba people in the colonial and post colonial era) to quote is beyond me. It seems you guys sometimes believe that you can change the past with deceptive argumentation.
The past has already happened, accept it and move on.

OK I have heard you.

Now, start by citing at least 5 books upon which your claims of Bini’s military incursion in ‘most part of Yoruba land’ is based and I promise to spend the coming days at the library at work either physically or online reading them.

This is the first test towards your objectivity.

I’m waiting.

ameri9ja:
WHAT A LOAD OF NONSENSE. Why do people insist on saying things they know NOTHING about?! When a woman takes a hit of crack, shortly all she wants is another hit of crack NOT sex!!

LOL you just want to quote and exchange banters for the fun of it and yes, I have seen you.

A woman is no different from a man, if they both take a hit of crack, they’ll want to take another hit.

The point in my post is that crack engineers a very pleasing feeling in the body and for females, atleast those I have hung out with, they crave sex and touch.

If you disagree, then that is your problem.

GUMY:
Kid, go back to the playgrounds, history is not an emotional affair.
History is about things which have already happened, keep your feelings out of it and just accept it because there is nothing you ca do to change it.

LOL a faceless forum it is indeed.

I can bet you’re not a Historian by training & qualification. If you are, it’d be certainly at the UG level at most.

Historians are wordsmiths, top rated analysts and fact fanatic. You, my friend, are non of the above. If you did History at the first degree level then you have a lot of brushing up to do; if History is not your trade then appreciate your limit and keep at it.

To show History is an emotional affair for you, we can compare thoughts and sources on Bini military History in Yoruba land using European sources or locally written works with European sources as references.

I promise that your subjectivity as far as Bini ‘empire’ spread goes will fall right through.

Crack and porn, nasty combination.

Frst few hits of a sizeable rock gives you a very intense pleasure all over and sends you into another world of ‘agro’. You crave sex like never before, throwing porn in the mix - is a killer. Your hormones will spill everywhere within you so much thag your groin will feel like it wants to explode with pleasure.

I was never a crack smoker but hung with smokers males and females alike. Crack is the easiest way to bring out the freak in a female, a few hits and she’s already peeling off her clothes and underpants ready to shag for hours but sadly for the males, after the first few hits shoots up the feeling of pleasure all over the body, the penis will begin to shrink which makes the ‘agro’ nothing but a waste and suffer.

Crack, the easiest way to screw the most beautiful chick on earth.

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He has been ’Miyetted’

SouthEastFacts:
I don't respond to terrorists. Tell your night crawling cowards to hit Aba or Onitsha. If they survive to tell the tales, I'll quit Nairaland.

About Biafran war, tell your govt to declassify all war documents. It is over 35 years now.

Go and check the history of the war before Britain, Russia and Egypt entered on the side of Nigeria. It took Ojukwu less than a month to over run the Federal forces.

I’m weak, Ibo logic of chest beating.

You overran FG forces but never occupied any territories outside SE?

How did you overrun your enemies but fought on the defensiveall through except for Ore invasion led by a Yoruba man?

Delusion is genetic for a larger percentage of you ibos.

greatnaija01:
UP BAPTACAD

What graduating set were you, fam?

06/07 set here.

Deo Duce.

Dambazzau l Dumbass

Dumbazzau?

greatnaija01:
BAPTIST ACADEMY OBANIKORO.... is meant to be in this list because it was FOUNDED in 1855..... so your list of 1908 to date is WACK.... PLS DELETE THAT VIDEO.

Up school?!

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