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PoliticsRe: $5 Billion Trapped Under Anambra Basin As Huge Gas Reserve Remains Stranded by mr11(m): 8:31am On Jan 07, 2020
Ebenezar2020:
those resources there only abound in the Igala speaking communities that was wrongfully zoned to Anambra and if Nigeria boundary commission come up with a proper delineation of the boundary you'll realize that those communities will be rightfully placed back to the state where they belong (Kogi) and the resources and few oil Anambra once boast of would be all gone.
The South East is not only landlocked but also is a terrain that is devoid of any resources except Enugu that once boast of coal which is now as useless as the P in Psychology.
Same way Akwa Ibom State is boasting of oil and forgetting that the Ijaw speaking oil producing community known as Eastern Andoni was wrongfully zoned to Akwa Ibom State instead of Rivers state and they are the ones feeding the state thru their oil Wells.
I taught you said on the other thread that you are from Anambra state and your girlfriend is from anioma? who threaten to break up with you because you call her Igbo.please I'm still waiting to speak with her in enuani language.
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 8:23pm On Jan 06, 2020
Ndibunna:
Mr, Aboh agrees to been Igbo. I don't know for all but those in contact with hardly deny such. Even small children will tell you I be Igbo.
people on this thread believe what they see online,I can tell you that 87% of people from aboh accept Igbo tag.
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 10:51pm On Jan 05, 2020
pazienza:
That escalated quickly.

Mr11.

As you can see. You have a big job on your hands to tame the likes of the Lady running rampage on this thread in your land. And believe me, there are many of them in Ukwuani land.

Until you have done your inner house cleaning, there isn't much the rest of us can do, we would simply move on without you lots and your distractions.

Funny thing is that even your Ukwuani ethnicity has already fragmented as currently, the Ndokwa East people led by Aboh, claim to be of independent ethnicity called Ndiosumili, athey hate being called Ukwuani people, they prefer being called Ndokwa people, while the people of Ukwuani LGA abhor the name Ndokwa and insists you all must be Ukwuani.

Worst still , the Isoko people the ancestors of Ndiosumili harboured in Ndokwa East LGA in precolonial times as customary tenants are today laying claim to indigenous ownership of those lands you gave them in Ndokwa East, and they in typical Isoko culture have outbreeded you and now out number you in population.
They are already testing waters in their claim to those lands, and as the years go by, their claim will become bolder.

I foresee a war between you and those Isokos, especially now you are lacking inhabitable lands following the yearly flooding of your lands by the River Niger. You will soon start demanding the Isokos hand over the lands you gave to them, which the Isokos already anticipated which explains they recent pro active measures.

It's a ticking time bomb, what is happening in Ndokwa East, and if you lots don't put your house in order and stop the Igbophobic chants, we would also watch from the sidelines as the Isoko and Urhobo use their federal might and population to chase you out of those lands.

In case you have not noticed, many of us are getting comfortable with the idea of South East, Aniocha , Oshimili, Oyigbo and who else is proud of being Igbo, as the boundaries of Igboland.
when was the last time you visited ukwuani or Ndokwa? let me tell you the truth many family are accepting the Igbo tag unlike before and how sure are you that this people on this forum are from ukwuani or Ndokwa? Don't take the things you see here serious, if I ask for their contacts to speak with in ukwuani language they will all ran away
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 10:50pm On Jan 05, 2020
pazienza:
That escalated quickly.

Mr11.

As you can see. You have a big job on your hands to tame the likes of the Lady running rampage on this thread in your land. And believe me, there are many of them in Ukwuani land.

Until you have done your inner house cleaning, there isn't much the rest of us can do, we would simply move on without you lots and your distractions.

Funny thing is that even your Ukwuani ethnicity has already fragmented as currently, the Ndokwa East people led by Aboh, claim to be of independent ethnicity called Ndiosumili, athey hate being called Ukwuani people, they prefer being called Ndokwa people, while the people of Ukwuani LGA abhor the name Ndokwa and insists you all must be Ukwuani.

Worst still , the Isoko people the ancestors of Ndiosumili harboured in Ndokwa East LGA in precolonial times as customary tenants are today laying claim to indigenous ownership of those lands you gave them in Ndokwa East, and they in typical Isoko culture have outbreeded you and now out number you in population.
They are already testing waters in their claim to those lands, and as the years go by, their claim will become bolder.

I foresee a war between you and those Isokos, especially now you are lacking inhabitable lands following the yearly flooding of your lands by the River Niger. You will soon start demanding the Isokos hand over the lands you gave to them, which the Isokos already anticipated which explains they recent pro active measures.

It's a ticking time bomb, what is happening in Ndokwa East, and if you lots don't put your house in order and stop the Igbophobic chants, we would also watch from the sidelines as the Isoko and Urhobo use their federal might and population to chase you out of those lands.

In case you have not noticed, many of us are getting comfortable with the idea of South East, Aniocha , Oshimili, Oyigbo and who else is proud of being Igbo, as the boundaries of Igboland.
when was the last time you visited ukwuani or Ndokwa? let me tell you the truth many family are accepting the Igbo tag unlike before and how sure are you that this people on this forum are from ukwuani or Ndokwa? Don't take the things you see here serious, if I ask for their contacts to speak with in ukwuani language they will all ran away.
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 8:53pm On Jan 05, 2020
OMANBALA1:
Madam , I never intended to disrespect you and your family, but the gutter language you used with Chy101 prompted me to reply in that manner. Meanwhile, you haven't answered the numerous questions I posed to you but it's all good. You aint have anything to fight with just regurgitation the nonsense your ignorant parents feed you.
you people are taking this too far,it is her choice and that of her family members to chose when they want likewise my family that chose being Igbo.
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 8:43pm On Jan 04, 2020
Dedetwo:
I guess it takes one senseless and bitter soul to recognize another. You are a living example of the dingbats who denied their forbearers all because of a crumb from Bendel State. What a ninny.
you are not more Igbo than me,what have you sacrifice for Igbo sake?do you know how many work and appointments I have lost because I always make it clear that I'm Igbo to my follow Deltans? I'm from Ndokwa and proud Igbo and so as my family too.
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 3:14pm On Jan 04, 2020
Dedetwo:
There is nothing will make me deny my being Igbo. No even a firing squad. You do not have cut your nose in order to spite your face. If material thing will force a person deny his/her forbearers, the people does not deserve a pint of the air. Is Delta State in different country other than Nigeria? Ndigbo from southeast even ventured to northern region Nigeria and secured a job. I shall not absolve anybody of sin if he/she denies his/her forbearers. It is an abominable act to deny your roots or forbearers.
senseless and bitter soul keep hating, no time to waste explaining to you because you are not from Delta or south south. thanks
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 11:53am On Jan 04, 2020
Dedetwo:
Please bros spare this cock and bull fairy tales. You are so economically with the truth. The denial of Igbo by some goons points directly to the Nigeria/Baifra war. The moment Biafra was the defeated, it fashionable to deny Igbo. One Ndokwa son, Major Nzefili, who joined Nigerian Armed Forces as Igbo later denied his being Igbo after the war.
You igbos from east are too emotional on this issue but refused to understand what happened, yes Igbo denial started after civil war,now let me ask you a question do you think their will be Igbo denial in anioma if anioma is in south east? let me tell you the truth Anambra or any south east state would have deny Igbo if they find themselves in south south. do you know what it means to be denied employment and appointments because you call yourself Igbo from south south in the mist of people that see themselves as real deltas or south south. if you are from anioma you will still do the same when you feel the pressure of being rejected.think and stop talking rubbish.
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 11:35am On Jan 04, 2020
Dedetwo:
Bros you are always at the forefront for Igbo and shall remain a blessed son of Igbo. It was recently that Godwin Alabi-Isama of all people publically called himself an Igbo man. He is also from Ndokwa. Sometimes I tempted to forgive Alabi-Isama because of his parentage. His father, Ndokwa peep, died when Alabi-Isama was very young and he is raised by his mother, Muslim Yari.ba, from Ilorin. Unfortunately, Alabi-Isama past his useful age before he was led by hand to his father's compound in Ndokwa. The tendency to deny Igbo is very rampant among Ndokwa however one of the fiercest defender of Igbo that I know is a man from Ndokwa called Thomas Ossai. The old dude taught me so many things in life. He was a friend to my father.
Mr man have you being to Ndokwa land before? go to Ndokwa land speak to 10 people with Igbo language and ask them if they are Igbo I swear you will be surprise that 8 out of 10 will tell you that they are Igbo but go back or tell someone to go and meet the same 10 people and ask them the same question, you will be surprise that that they will deny,is so because of the nature of politics they find themselves into, other non Igbo tribes are looking for small thing to tell them that igbos can't take what belong to real deltas.if you are from Delta or state in Delta you will notice that the same is happening between asaba capital and warri.
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 8:33am On Jan 04, 2020
Ebenezar2020:
oga stop living in ignorance, this is new year.
How would you be enlightened when u stay inside ur village and only get informed through the beerparlour gist that ur fellow ipob members feed u with.
For the record, my fiancee is Aniocha from Delta State and as an Anioma tribe she is proudly of, she once got so infuriated threatened to break up with me cos I mistakenly said that Aniocha people are Igbo, she said she's not igbo and I also remember once when two igbo ladies were speaking Igbo dialect at New Benin Market and I asked her if she could translate it and she said no that their Anioma language is different from igbo language that they don't understand igbo.
seems u don't know that these guys from SS don't like us and also don't wanna have any affiliation or whatsoever with us..
for the record I'm Igbo from Idemili North in Anambra before u start shouting Afonja like jimyjames or precisionfx
1) my friend Anioma is not a tribe.2)wow your girlfriend threaten to break up with you because you call her igbo?wow is that so? 3)which part of aniocha is she from let's start from there,Aniocha south or north? and tell me the name of her village too.4)mind you I'm from Ndokwa in Delta north. 5)please I will like to speak aniocha language with your girlfriend to know why she threaten you with a break up ,I'm in asaba right now and I don't mind travelling to any part of aniocha or Delta this. I'm waiting for your response.
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 9:20pm On Jan 03, 2020
horsepower101:
This is just the plain truth.

I know some emotions are flying around here. But if Aniomas get their own state and have a better control of their politics and economy, the need to deny igbo or the incentive to deny igbo will be mostly killed off.
okooo till then.
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 9:18pm On Jan 03, 2020
UdechiHD:
The only way Anioma can be liberated is if they're removed from Delta and added to the SE. Either as the 6th or 7th SE state.
The identity crisis many of us face in the SS is because we're isolated from the Igbo pride. Imagine speaking pidgin, instead of your Igbo dialect to others simply because you want to feel more south south like the average Ijaw, Ogoni, Urhobo etc. We are alienated from the Igbo identity in many ways, that it takes strong individual conviction to stand tall as Igbo. I for instance during my teenage age didn't really understood what it meant by being called Igbo, because I was informed that you can't be a Rivers man and still retain your Igbo identity. I was more Rivers man than even Igbo until my early 20's. You look around to the left and your neighbors are denying Igbo for political gains, and you ask wtf is going on.
The political loss of Ndigbo in national affairs seems to be dragging us backwards. Ndigbo must get it right politically and use their weight to liberate us out of this SS. The earlier Ndigbo insist that the SS Igbos are given states of theirs and added to the SE, the earlier the denial nonsense is defeated for good
everything you said here is what south east people don't understand.
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 8:53pm On Jan 03, 2020
horsepower101:
This is why I believe
Anioma people need their own state. I still believe that it should be the next state to join the south east but some people think it’s a bad idea because of the on going identity crisis.

I personally believe that if Aniomas get their own state, then they can have a safe space that will enable them progress Faster and a conducive environment to solve the identity issues.
I didn't want to talk about anioma state here before some people here will think that I accepted Igbo because of anioma state but the truth is that anioma state will solve 95% of the problem.
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 8:47pm On Jan 03, 2020
Ndibunna:
But last election showed otherwise that anioma at least has voting strength...and enough one ooo

Though if it comes to urhobo, Ijaw, and Isoko teaming up. What you guys failed to understand is that it will be quite hard.

Urhobo and Itsekiri teaming up is possible because of how they believe Delta belongs to them but with Ijaws is will be quite hard and hard.

After how many years, it was last year that anioma produced vice chancellor in Delsu.

Okowa should subtly fix and ground anioma in delta politics before leaving office. He can do that.
what happen during the last election was just PDP factor and ibori factor too .when it come to teaming up against anioma urhobo will always count on ijaw and isoko is open fact no matter their difference.secondly anioma people don't vote like Igbos of east they will tell you that is a waste of time.in my polling unit we have up to 900 register voters but people that came out was not upto 120 people.
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 8:17pm On Jan 03, 2020
Ndibunna:
Delta north has I think 9 local government and voting strength.

Been too quiet trying to appease the other loud mouths is what is putting them on edge.
we have 9 local government but not voting strength.urhobo alone is bigger not to talk when you add isoko and ijaw.
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 8:13pm On Jan 03, 2020
horsepower101:
Thanks I suspected as much. Same strategy is happening with igbos in rivers state although most of those rivers igbos took it too far and really really hate South East igbos identifying with them.

Yes it’s a political strategy and it is working out for you But it’s also has a strong Disuniting effect.

Me personally, when I see someone that is igbo and with igbo name, I get excited and try to know them. It will be very soul crushing if that person says loudly and proudly to me, “ I am not igbo”.

Some igbos have experienced this in their lives and it’s hard memory to forget.

Just know that the future generations of igbos may not be as forgiving as the current one towards people who display igbo denialism.

This has to stop sooner than later before the consequences become irreversible.
Now let me ask you a question, how will you feel being deny employment and appointment because you openy accept been Igbo?do you that igbos in Edo state don't have good hospital and other basic things because of Igbo tags. urhobo,ijaws isoko etc are just waiting the day anioma will openly accept Igbo tag that day they will team up and tell us that we are not Delta,is even happening now that will have not openly accept. If you are from anioma you will understand what anioma people are going through.
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 8:03pm On Jan 03, 2020
Ndibunna:
Though I have reasons to agree because I stayed in kwale for years and I know the area well.

Places like umasagede, utagba uno, utagba ogbe, umusam, winners chapel, eke market, umuseti, ashaka...Zenith bank, skye bank, eco bank and unity bank...Lol and the rest sha......I have also been to Abbi.

Though the old I have met and interacted strongly agree they are Igbos but will also tell you that the elites are playing poltics on their head.

The denial I think sometimes are Strong with the loud youths who find themselves in politics but they heavily diminish others just for their own gain.


That place has nearly 8 to 10 oil companies or thereabout and I will be happy to see improved everything all round both infrastructure.

Unity will make it a reality.
Thanks for understanding the politics.
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 7:46pm On Jan 03, 2020
pazienza:
Nwanne, there is no reason whatsoever to justify the blatant denial of Igbo identity going on in Ndokwa and Ika. Ijaws share states with Yorubas in Ondo state and still retain their Ijaw identity. The Ijaws in Delta still retain Ijaw identity.
The Oshimilis and Aniocha have an overwhelming number of them Igbophillic. Nearly all Proud Igbos from Delta I have ever met were either from Oshimili or Aniocha, it's almost impossible to meet a proudly Igbo man from Ika or Ndokwa offline.
Denying your Igbo identity have not brought the development you thought it would attract to you,
or exemption from the post civil war victimization of the Igbo by the Nigerian state,
you guys tried to avoid by denying Igbo.
Why not come back to the fold in sincerity, let's all join hands together to rebuild our unity.

Imagine if Omo agege had to deal with 15 south East Senators plus 2senators from Ikwerre in Rivers and one from from Anioma, making it 18 vs 1, would he have been able to hijack the proposed Kwale polytechnic from Ndokwa and claim it for his Urhobo people?

When we speak of Igbo Unity, many of you are too ignorant to recognize what our uneducated ancestors always knew, hence the saying :IGWEBUIKE.
You think only SE stands to benefit from Igbo Unity, you want to play minority politics with experienced minorities like Urhobos who saw through your folly and aided your Igbo denial, so that they could isolate you from your Igbo brothers and always get one over you like they just did.

You are angry that Igbos didn't help you to win the polytechnic from Urhobos and that we don't even care.
But you forgot that if all of us started playing the minority politics you went to play. If we all abandoned the Igbo tag and all decended into the chaos of minority ethnicity as Ngwa, Nsukka, Omambala , Ezza, Izzi, Asa, Ndoki, etc ethnic groups like you lots did, then there would be no Igbo for you to be angry with for not helping you today.
You want to benefit from something you threatened to pull down and destroy and are you wonder why the rest of us who held forte are not bothered by your pains?

Nwanne, jeekwa nene ifea ofuma, Taa ka bukwa gboo!
so you have not seen anybody from Ndokwa or ika that accept Igbo offline? are you from anioma? if yes do you belong to any anioma peoples forum offline? do your offline search you will know that many people from that are always vocal of Igbo unity in that forum are from Ndokwa. the most vocal persons for Igbo unity in proudly anioma proudly Igbo forum on Facebook are also from Ndokwa. you mention aniocha and oshimili people as the only people that don't have Igbo denies but is a big lie,have you been to aniocha north before? see Delta politics is beyond your understanding,you mentioned ijaw from ondo please tell me how they are fairing there?any day All anioma people accept been Igbo that all Delta will unite against anioma.some people denies doesn't mean is Igbo at heart.go to Ndokwa land speak Igbo to few people you will be surprise that they will accept the Igbo but send another person there and tell the person to speak English and ask them the same question you will be surprise that they will deny it reason being Delta politics.don't blame some people that deny it.you come from south east state where everybody is Igbo that is why you are sounding like this. do you know how many employment I have missed in warri because I openly call myself Igbo man.if you are not from Delta you won't understand.
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 6:58pm On Jan 03, 2020
horsepower101:
Anioma (the beautiful land) is igbo and will remain so till eternity. I will not let those suffering from identity crisis change how I see my Anioma brethren.
BUT
For people like you that are confident and proud of your origins, you and other reasonable folks from Anioma areas need to challenge those pushing anti-igbo sentiments and suffering from igbo denialism and severe identity crisis.

The man who carried out the coup that led to the suffering of igbos today in Nigeria is an Anioma son and most importantly he is Igbo and we fully embraced him and shed our blood for our brother.

To later find out that some people from the same village that he is from among other clans in Anioma denies anything to do with the rest of Ndigbo, feels like a big betrayal to other igbos especially those from the south east.
Thanks for your comments at least its still show that people from east still see us as one in respective of anything but some of those denies has something to do with nature of Delta politics which people from east don't understand.sometimes you don't have to blame some people that denies Igbo,if all of us accept Igbo's do you think development will reach some area with the nature of Delta politics? even within anioma we see ourselves separately if not their won't be federal college of education in agbor,state polytechnic in ogwashi uku,state technical college in asaba and other separate developments we have gain separately. Ask yourself why did isoko always reject uhrobo tags.All those things are politics if you don't play it like that nothing for you.
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 6:38pm On Jan 03, 2020
pazienza:
Ndokwa, be Ali nwa Chukwuma.

Nnaa nnoo. But you must know that alot of our people from Ndokwa had disgraced and humiliated Ndiigbo from the past, both online and offline.
You can imagine a situation where an Igbo from South East sees a Chukwuemeke from Ndokwa and try to call him a fellow Igbo, only for Chukwuemeke to start insulting the Igbo man for calling him Igbo, accusing him of trying to steal ndokwa land, tell him that Igbos are thieves and greedy people, and therefore, Ndokwa a holy people cannot be Igbo.

I belong to Ndokwa facebook page, and I know the type of unprovoked Igbo bashing posts some Ndokwa people make there, they insult and denigrate Ndiigbo everyday.
See a thread an Ndokwa son opened on Nairaland sometime ago, he is still active in NL today https://www.nairaland.com/1362294/abohs-delta-state-not-igbos

A former Super mod in NL here, Ishilove or so they called her, an Ndokwa daughter, was also violently Igbophobic and never missed any opportunity to denigrate Ndiigbo here, any time we tried to count Ndokwa/Ukwuani as Igbo.

After 50years (1970-2019) of this gross abuse, many Igbos have grown detached from your Ndokwa people, some like me are even growing a big resentment and hate for your people as well, because let's face it, we are not Jesus and can't continue to show love to a group of people who show only strong hate towards us for 50yrs counting now, just because we tried to extend hand of kinship to them.

Of course, I am well aware of the fact that we have Igbophillic Ndokwa people, even here on Nairaland we use to have an Igbo veteran here those days called "CHYZ", (not to be mistaken for the current impostor going by a similar name).
One of the admins of Proudly Anioma , Proudly Igbo group , a man I respect alot is also an Ndokwa man, Ali Chukwuma, remains my most favorite Igbo musician, he lived and died an Igbo man, yet he was from Ndokwa, Aboh to be precise .
Problem is that those of you on the Igbophobic side greatly outnumber those on the Igbophillic side. It's a bit disheartening.

While you are right to be angry with lukewarm and even standoffish Igbo attitude towards Ndokwa/Ukwuani today, you must also recognize the fact that it's only but a reaction to the barrages of non stopabuse many of your brothers have subjected us under for 50yrs now.

So to stop the reaction, you will first have to stop the action, and this will take a very long time to achieve.
I clearly understand you but if people from south east keep behaving like this towards anioma then we will never achieve anything as Igbo's.you said that you belong to Ndokwa Facebook page,please let me remind you that not everybody on that page are from Ndokwa. I won't deny the fact that some people from Ndokwa denied being Igbo but the truth is that the number has reduced .let me also remind you that some reason why some people reject Igbo tags is because of the nature of Delta politics. even within anioma aniocha see themselves as aniocha likewise Ndokwa ika and oshmili,the reason is because of politics, if we don't do it like developments won't spear to those area, you can only understand this if you are from Delta state.So seeing comments coming out from here is something else. You all should just God that you are not from anioma in Delta but from Igbo States in east.
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 4:54pm On Jan 03, 2020
Ndibunna:
Don't be disappointed please.

Anioma said they are not Igbos.

According to lauretta Onochie Anioma is an ethnic group same way Igbo is an ethnic group.

According to one of her Facebook post whenever you see Anioma men or women you will exactly know the differences between them and Igbos.
so because that mad woman said so?who doesn't know that she's mad.you people comments here about Anioma is really disappointing.
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 4:49pm On Jan 03, 2020
pazienza:
Nwanna, what part of Anioma are you from, and why are you disappointed?

NB: Not everyone here is Igbo. We have many impostors here whose greatest fear is unity of all Igbo speaking clans. Don't take to heart any bad words people here spew at you or Anioma, they don't represent views of genuine and well informed Igbos.
I'm from Ndokwa .
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 8:43am On Jan 03, 2020
sad I'm really disappointed by some of your comments here concerning anioma people.
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guys please is it true that CBN is recruiting?
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Bluezy13:
The later.
Wash and wear.

You can also pass it down to your children at old age.
grin grin
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Bluezy13:
The later.
Wash and wear.

You can also pass it down to your children at old age.
grin

PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 2:55pm On Dec 19, 2019
amadice:
..

is kwale under anioma? .. I noticed no tertiary institutions in anioma zone, expect institutional annex which is bad. But anioma should be blamed, they do not cooperate with the Igbo brothers politically when they know they are minority in delta state politics.. its a pity
yes kwale is under Anioma and their are other institutions like ogwashi uku polytechnic, federal college of education agbor.
PoliticsRe: . by mr11(m): 9:13am On Dec 19, 2019
MelesZenawi:
The problem is "Did your senator alert others on the issue on ground" or Is he playing South south-Niger delta politics.


This is a two different issue there....... because I think if he did people like Abaribe will point it out..
senator Peter is of no use to Delta north. I will be really disappointed if this polytechnic is taken always from us.

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