₦airaland Forum

DeOTR:
Fulanis that we used to do suya in offa and osogbo on several occasions and beat them to submission. Mumu, I don't have time for any troll. Werey dey hear Oyo empire and he thinks someone somewhere can build an empire without wars. See the kind of idiiot I'm conversing with?

Go and take back illorin from the Fulanis and we can talk about wars

Honor10:
Go fvck yourself! As long as the slave is ruling over you since 1999, I am okay. No ibo man will rule Nigeria in your life time, write it down.

The slave ruling over you doesn't feed me, igbo president won't feed me, the rate of poverty in the regions of those slaves is higher than the poverty in igboland, we igbos are self made people, nobody helped us after the war but here we are today we are doing fine like we never experienced genocide war against us by the entire country

Trump sounds very funny , but at least he knows what the three countries are capable of, one comedian told him Putin is afriad of him so he should command Putin to withdraw from Ukraine , don't think he believed what that comedian said

SIRTee15:
Good. I believe u have received sound quality education today.
cultures are different, thus denigration of other people's culture is only done by fools.
Thank me for that and learn not to repeat such mistakes again.

That was how America wasted thousands of young lives and billion dollars trying to impose democracy and freedom on people whose cultures are different.

I'm glad you just called yourself a fool for denigrating igbo culture knowing fully well our culture is different from yours, don't repeat that again, yoruba's should learn to confront the north without bringing igbos into the conversation just to shield themselves, I won't comment on such thread if I didn't see igbo mentioned, but yoruba's mentioned igbos just to change the topic

SIRTee15:
sorry, I dont deal with conspiracy theory junks.
Take care of yourself.

You will call it conspiracy theories cause it doesn't favour you

SIRTee15:
Then stop following the bible either as a Jew or Christian. rejecting what's inside but calling yourself a bible believer makes u a fool.
simple.

Yoruba understand the concept just as it is in the bible. prostration is not worship.

I didn't tell you I was a bible believer, besides the bible is just a culture of people who's culture became more popular than others nothing special

SIRTee15:
none of the wars is within Yoruba clans. They are all wars against foreign enemies.
Yoruba has not been attacked in modern times, so I dont see the reason bringing up modern warfare.

Yorubas fought as Nigerians and biafrans in the civil war, and other foreign missions where they performed gallantly.
Adekunle led the Nigerian army against capitulation of Port Harcourt during the biafran war- he recaptured the whole of south south region from biafra.
Ademelegun, Victor Banjo and Captain Adeleke fought for biafra and were instrumental to the capture of midwest despite meagre resources from the biafran armoury.

Besides war in this modern time is a waste of time. u are not fighting for any territory, u are fighting for useless politicians and big financial intuitions. At the end, they will settle the matter with cup of tea on a round table while u die for nothing
If in doubt, Ask Ukrainians.

Yoruba's fought alot of internal wars during the primitive Era, afon-ja who joined the Fulanis to fight his own people is one of them which illorin is lost to the Fulanis forever


We fought the entire Nigeria made up of Yoruba Hausa Fulani, plus other minorities,, people from Niger republic Chad, supported by British, Soviet union etc

Adekunle led a battalion of 40 thousand troops, those troops made up of middle belt and northerners not yoruba , majority of the soldiers who died by the hands of adekunle were his own soldiers, he will usually stand behind to shoot at any of his soldiers who tried to retreat, adekunle who sent about 6 thousand troops into Owerri and lost them all only a handful returned alive


The invasion of biafra was a peaceful one cause majority of the Midwest soldiers were Midwest igbos who assured ojukwu that they will be no resistance whatsoever, banjo was ordered to reach dodan Baracks where Gowon was living in Lagos and capture it, he stayed in Midwest for a whole week on a mission that was suppose to end in 24 hours, he rather made contact with the enemy and was negotiating for Gowon to hand over power to him ,

SIRTee15:
This guy is a waste of space. No need arguing with U.

Read oshogbo war of 1840
The invasion of Lagos in 1851
The British- Ijebu war of 1892
The battle of Atakpame in 1764...... where the Oyo kingdom fought and defeated the Ashante kingdom marking Atakpame in modern day Togo the eastern border of the Oyo kingdom.

I won't denigrate your tribe here because it's obvious U are a foolish person and your behaviour doesn't represent your people.

My friend like I said it is costumary of every ethnic group, kingdom and empires to fight those primitive wars , there is no major ethnic group that has not fought those wars , that's not war to me

We fought a modern war ,in the Era were weapons of mass destructions were used

SIRTee15:
I won't allow U hide behind one finger today.
I will embarrass you with evidence.

Prostate is not worship.

1 Samuel 24.8
Then David went out of the cave and called out to Saul, “My lord the king!” When Saul looked behind him, David bowed down and prostrated himself with his face to the ground.

1 Samuel 25.23
When Abigail saw David, she quickly got off her donkey and bowed down before David with her face to the ground.

Ruth 2.10
At this, Ruth bowed down with her face to the ground. She asked Boaz, “Why have I found such favor in your eyes that you notice me—a foreigner?”


More on foreign cultures that show respect by prostrating.....

This mumu think they are worshipping.

Just imagine the ignorance. Sorry but I can confidently say your tribe is in no shape or form better than any of the culture/nation I posted here in whatever capacity.

Pikin wey them no train for house, them go use am send message back home.
That's how U guys disgrace your tribe in public.

Whatever you just posted here portray people in deep surrender to higher power which is worship, you said David called Saul my lord my king is that not higher power?

Wasn't Abigail bowing to David in total surrender and worship too, everyone of them prostrated to higher power

I repeat that's a pathetic slave masters culture you are trying to defend, we igbos have no such culture

Honor10:
To hell with you and your culture, who give a fvck about your useless culture? Yoruba are not complaining, what's your headache.

I would have not bothered to comment on this thread until I saw igbo been mentioned as usual , anytime yoruba's have a problem with their northern masters they try to bring igbo into the conversation just to shield themselves from the north

Konquest:
Hey! STOP that disinformation on this thread you are making yourself look absolutely unintelligent here. Several famous and credible books such as: "War and Peace in Yorubaland 1793-1893" (The four sections in the book deal with War, Peace, the Yoruba Generals and their War Tactics), "Yoruba Warfare In The 19th Century" by Ade Ajayi and Robert Smith (It provides a comprehensive analysis of the military conflicts and strategies that shaped the Yoruba states during the 1800s), "The History of the Yorubas" by Reverend Samuel Johnson, "The History of Nigeria" by Sir Allan Burns (who was the Governor-Genetal of Nigeria), books written by Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther (whose mother was a direct royal descendant of Alaafin Abiodun of the Oyo Empire) all from the 1800s and 1900s containing documented evidence from White and African missionaries, historians, British and French Colonial officers CLEARLY state these facts of history in Yorubaland about wars and Yoruba military forces ruthlessly DEFEATING the Fulani Jihadists (and the few Yoruba Muslim traitors among them from Ilorin who pointed the way for them) on multiple war battlefields such as the famous and decisive Battle of Osogbo in 1840, which prevented the entire Yorubaland from [b]becoming Fulani emirates today and also definitely saved Benin Republic, modern Edo and Delta States from falling to Fulani hands.

Second, the name and etymology called "Yoruba" today is NOT a derogatory name like you tried to infer BUT evolved and introduced officially for modern use in 1843 by the first ever African-born Anglican Bishop of Oyo descent, Bishop Samuel Ajayi Crowther to represent the entire Yoruba Country of today which extends from Nigeria, to Benin Republic and Togo. The name Yoruba is derived from "OYO OBA" meaning "OYO is KING" affirming the supremacy or primacy of the Oyo Empire among other Yoruba subgroups who are related to one another. The name Aku was also considered because it was already in use by some writers in the 1800s, and the name Olukumi was also in use as forms of salutations among Yoruba folks. But FINALLY the name Yoruba gained official recognition with the usage by Ajayi Crowther in the FIRST EVER Yoruba-English dictionary of 1843 and the Yoruba Bible. [/b] So, it is NOT a derogatory word coined by Hausas as being falsely concocted and pushed around the Internet by insidious young Igbos in YouTube comments and those ipob Websites. NO such silly word called "Yoruba*za" exists among the Hausas. That satanic word Yoruba*za having banza in it was coined by Igbos NOT Hausas. "Yarubawa" is the Hausa way of simply pronouncing Yoruba. For centuries before Nigeria existed, Yorubas of Oyo Empire and the Hausa city-states traded together via the Nupe country bringing in regular supply of horses and Yorubas exporter woven fabric, kolanuts, etc, WITHOUT any use of derogatory language.

A few of the exonyms the Yoruba are known by across West Africa include: "Alata" in the Southern Ghana, "Eyagi" in Nupe which produced terms such as: Ayagi (the pre-modern Hausa word for the Yoruba people) and Iyaji in Igala.

The Hausa too were named "Afnu" by the Kanuri and "Gambari" by the Yoruba, only that the exonyms for Hausa did not catch on.

In the book written by R.O. Olaniyi in 2007 entitled: "Hausa-Yoruba Relations 1500-1800: A Historical Perspective," he states that: "Contrary to widespread accounts, there is no material to show that the term Yoruba was originally used by the Hausa to describe Yorubas derogatorily."

Some of you young Igbos foolishly allow Ipob propaganda to mislead you all and you go on posting fake news all over the place. I have visited many of those Igbo secessionist platforms and all the fake histories written on Yoruba folks and other Nigerian ethnic groups that you all post here on NL are on those sites.

While it is historically TRUE that a series of Civil Wars took place in Yorubaland due to the fact that there was a power struggle in the Oyo Empire leading to other Confederate Kingdoms under Oyo Empire wanted independence from Oyo Empire (which extended from modern Nigeria to Benin Republic and Togo). It was this internal divisions that gave the opportunity for the outside enemies like the Fulanis to use treachery to strike in Ilorin in the 1830s just like they had done to the Hausas, Nupes, Kanuris and others starting from 1804 when their fake Jihad started.

It was the eternal vigilance of the Ibadan Army led by General (Balogun) Oderinlo [who was one of the practicing Muslims who wete military commanders and Ibadan soldiers] including Osogbo soldiers and military commanders that led the resounding defeat of the combined Fulani (some Hausa and Yoruba Muslim) Jihadists at the famous battle of Osogbo in 1840. The Ibadan Army also defeated another Fulani raid into Yorubaland at Otun in Ekitiland and the Fulanis NEVER dared to invade the interior of Yorubaland again. The Fulanis suffered other defeats in the hands of combined forces of the Yorubas thereby leading them to flee from the environs of Ilorin right across the River Niger into parts of the current Niger State where the gallant Yoruba soldiers pursued them to. Unknown to many of you, as of the time the British Colonialists forces got to Ilorin in the 1890s, Ilorin was effectively 100 percent in the hands of Balogun Alanamu and his high ranking Yoruba generals but they chose to fight the British and as punishment, they got deported from Ilorin ONLY for the stupid British people to now mistakely bring a foreign who was NOT a indigenous Yoruba man as the Amir. This person was of Gambari descent (Hausa descent). Later the British agreed that Ilorin is indeed a Yoruba town and restated that a referendum should be done so that a Yoruba Oba can be installed for the Yorubas of Ilorin as of the time the 1960 independence was approaching.

In order to transform from an Oyo Kingdom into and Oyo Empire (just like the Ashanti Empire, Benin Empire or the much larger British Empire) you have to militarily conquer others Kingdoms, towns and communities and incorporate them into your territory and that's how the Oyo Empire came to be from modern Nigeria to Togo.

I can't read this long article, Yoruba fought no wars the ones they fought was between themselves which is costumary of every ethnic group attacking pretty weak tribes or clans around them to unify them as one people, Fulanis still have illorin today as a conquered land , and their is no such thing as Yoruba meaning OYO OBA

SIRTee15:
Who is this fool that can't differentiate between worship and prostrate.

Even your bible mentioned Abraham prostrating to fellow men.
Genesis 18.2
Abraham looked up and saw three men standing nearby. When he saw them, he hurried from the entrance of his tent to meet them and bowed low to the ground.

Are U saying Abraham worshipped those three men?
Mumu

1 Samuel 28
14 “What does he look like?” he asked.
“An old man wearing a robe is coming up,” she said.
[b]Then Saul knew it was Samuel, and he bowed down and prostrated [/b]himself with his face to the ground

Below are pictures of Chinese and Japanese bowing/prostrating to their parents.

Is your tribe in any way greater than china or Japan nation.

Mumu with half brain. Travel and cure your illiterate mind. The world doesn't revolve round your primitive brain.

If you read your Bible currently you will know the men Abraham prostrated to were Angels , and saul was prostrating to Samuels spirit long after he had died


Stop arguing trying to defend your slave masters culture were a man with hairy balls dangling between his legs, go down on all fours falls on his face to greet his fellow man, a primitive slave culture were a man is scared to look his fellow man in the eye

DeOTR:
Go and take several seats. Yoruba fought no wars but the Oyo empire spread even outside the present day Nigeria and SW? Like I said, your ancestors were still neanderthals when Yorubas have been building empires. Na mumu Lord luggard go mix non entities with royal families, if not, you'll be our slaves. For goodness sake, Igala people (sub-yoruba group) and the ijaws took your people as slaves.

I repeat yoruba's fought no wars the only wars yoruba's fought was between themselves, they were terribly beating by minority Fulanis ,betrayed by their own son afon-ja the Alaafin of oyo cursed his own people before commiting suicide shamefully

If not for lord luggard the Fulanis could have succeeded in their jihad to conquered Yorubaland till they deep the Quran in the sea

masseratti:
people who are older than you already have earned their respect unless they act dishonorably then you free to disrespect them..I don't know of any culture in Africa apart from Igbos who won't care how old you are if you are not rich nor a red cap chief to the young ones you simply don't exist,that's not even matter of respect..70% of my friends are igbos ..I go with them to their meetings even tho I don't speak...after meetings I ask questions why I that one acting like that..they say it ends there but in most cases it doesn't..well everyone with there own eay of doing things but if people are saying you guys lack respect does that mean you conconrt a fallacy that prostrating means worshipping? answer I a simple no.. difference between me and you is am stating facts you are making things up...am done answering you .

You can't be stating facts when you claim igbos lack any form of respect, you can't be stating facts when you claim igbos don't care about their elders , everyone gets the respect they deserve, including young people, that's why it is said a child who knows how to wash his hands properly can eat with elders,

In igbo culture ndichie are the judges of the people, clan leader's emerge according to their age , everyone gets the respect they deserve, yes prostrating to a fellow man means worshiping to us igbos same way you think looking an elder in the eye while greeting him is a lack of respect

Komu1048:
Now I see I'm wasting my time with an irredeemable self-illusionist. Please back to the basis can you upload how you kick your father and spit on your mother today, I want to see something

That's good I'm glad you now know igbos are not impressed with that eye service slaves master Yoruba pathetic culture of falling on all fours to worship another man



I will like to kick your father and spit on your mother to practically show you how it is done, parents are not gods

masseratti:
Pete Edochie met Ooni in a Public gathering he does not have to greet him otherwise neither do most of us do that unless you choose to in a public gathering.. highest you just now to acknowledge..heck I don't even give a Bleep about any traditional ruler in Nigeria am non of them subject..it's a Republican country.so those calling out Edochie are just ignorant that's all,also I have been to many igbo gatherings heck a typical igno man lacks any form of respect for anyone..you can't see that with an Hausa man or Benin man,Izon man ,Idoma man or Yoruba..even with your money you still AV to show a form of respect for people on earth before you ...maybe greetings wise if there is no form of greetings in Igbo it should not be anyone business tho ..I can agree with that.

You are talking from both sides of your mouth, you want people to practice their culture and mind their business, but you still want to talk about igbos lacking any form of respect, and if I say Yoruba form of respect is a worship of a fellow man you won't want to hear that

Respect is not giving respect is earned, we give respect to people who earn it , that's why we have titled men amongst us, that's why we have handshake for people that earn it , everyone gets the respect they deserve, you none igbos might call it lacking in respect cause we don't do as you do,but to us it is

masseratti:
Av you ever had the opportunity of stepping out of Nigeria before?or take a trip ,safari trip.if not atleast if you have common gotv in your house you must have watched those documentary of gorillas ,you are advice not to look straight into their eyes,not only that one man's food is another's man's poison..if you decide not to greet your dad at home in the morning it should be no bodies business..if your neighbor decides to prostrate to his father in the morning to greet him it's no one's business and other tribes must not do what igbo does likewise av not seen Tiv,Ijaw Bini saying why are Igbos not doing like us, can't you hear your self or is there some thing wrong somewhere?a simple mind your own business should be suffice for you .

So you are now talking about gorillas not humans ? I will respect Gorillas now more than yoruba's, cause you don't have the balls to look your fellow man in the eye



You know how ever you decide to greet people is no one's business but yoruba's are always quick to call igbos disrespectful cause we don't prostrate to people like you do? I remember when yoruba's were attacking Pete Edochie calling it disrespect for him to shake the ooni of ife like an ordinary man, you want to force your culture on us so we will force ours on you

Komu1048:
Hairy chest beating as usual, reason u are 3rd class citizen in your own country, with 5plots of land. And what can you do about your slave master. Cry on

Lol you will cry about our chest beating forever, calling us 3rdclasss is an insult to the hundreds of ethic groups that fought for one Nigeria we should be 500rd3 class not 3rd class

in achebe's words
[b]The origin of the national resentment of the Igbo is as old as Nigeria and quite as complicated.
"But it can be summarised thus: The Igbo " being receptive to change, individualistic and highly competitive, gave the Igbo man an unquestioned advantage over his compatriots in securing credentials for advancement in Nigerian colonial society.
"Unlike the Hausa/Fulani he was unhindered by a wary religion and unlike the Yoruba unhampered by traditional hierarchies. This kind of creature, not fearing God nor man, was custom-made to grasp the opportunities, such as they were, of the white man's dispensation. And the Igbo did so with both hands.
"Although the Yoruba had a huge historical and geographical head-start the Igbo wiped out their handicap in one fantastic burst of energy in the twenty years between 1930 and 1950.
"Had the Igbo been a minor ethnic group of a few hundred thousand, their menace might have been easily and quietly contained. But they ran in their millions! Like J.P Clark's fine image of 'ants filing out of the wood' the Igbo moved out of their forest home, scattered and virtually seized the floor.
"But this kind of success can carry a deadly penalty: the danger of hubris, overweening pride and thoughtlessness, which invites envy and hatred
[/b]

There is nothing you can do to us now that will be worse than what we have already conquered during biafra war

masseratti:
you can't have such in igboland because greetings is alien to you guys ,trust me I know better,Yorubas have choose to prostrate to greet the elders or rulers its not worship, further more,Yorubas don't prostrate to worship God or their gods, deities no they don't rather they chant incantations,dance etc but never prostrate as much as I know in any form of worship,making yourself happy that someone is prostrating to show a sign of respect and not worship you are welcome to enjoy your bliss in foolery ignorance and be happy in faculty..it's allowed.

So yoruba's chant and make noise to their gods but fall on their belly to greet their fellow man? Is that not shameful?


Why you can't look your fellow man in the eye while greeting them we igbos look people in the eye while greeting them, the eyes are the windows to the soul , anyone who can't look you in the eye while greeting you is capable of plotting evil against you, that's why it was easy for afon-ja to do that to his master

DeOTR:
See werey. Yorubas have been fighting wars, building empires when your ancestors were still hopping from tree to tree. The only war you foolishly started, you lost 3 million people. Oponu.

Yoruba's fought no wars , the only war you fought was still between yourselves and afon-ja prostrated before his master like a typical Yoruba man and went and joined Fulanis to fight his master at the price of illorin

MICHEALADEX:
Thank God you called it culture which does not make you superior to others.


What ways do igbos show respect elders?

I guess by kicking their asses

A culture of slaves and masters you worship fellow men that's your culture

We show respect to anyone who shows us respect and we kick the asses of everyone who deserves ass kicking,

MICHEALADEX:
Thank God you mentioned enemies


Your foolishness won’t make you understand why diplomacy is taught in school.


That’s why for 50 the igbos can’t go beyond senate president, even the senate president had 5 succession in just one administration because of greed and shamelessness


Bring it on

Depolmcy or eye service? A yoruba man will prostrate to greet someone and turn to betray him , cowards, we will rather look our enemy in the eye and tell them we don't like them, we are self made people , president or no president

Emmanuel900:
Ironic Igbo that Benin, Igala and Ijaw sold as slaves calling others coward

At least we have culture we are proud of, you are a tribe of cultureless barbarians that wandered the evil forest stark naked, cannibalizing and shits.

Yoruba's were sold into slavery as much as the igbos who sold them? Who gave you the name yoruba?

A tribe of cannibals , skull minners , ritualist , and human worshipers and shit

Komu1048:
Yes we are scrawling, and we will keantinue to crawl to greet our elders. You on the other hand, how many kicks and slap have you use on your dad and mum today

I will use as much kicks and slaps as I can on anyone who misbehave, parents and elders are not God's they are ordinary humans like everyone else

Komu1048:
Compare that to a tribe where a weak woman rapper used millions of their fathers as bait and slaughtered as chickens in the hands of Fulani, while another coward in Finland is fighting the Fulani by slaughtering the remains every mondays

You mean a tribe that killed the most powerful Fulani man in his own house begging for his life in the toilet? And killed his second in command, killed a yoruba prime minister etc

A tribe that defended itself from a genocidal war against the entire Nigeria including yoruba's Fulanis, Hausas and hundreds of minorities, plus people from Niger republic Chad , supported by the British, the Soviet union Egyptians etc under blockade from sea and air for 3 yrs and still survived? You Yoruba cowards will be wiped out completely if you ever fight that type of war , a handful of Fulanis conquered illorin and have kept it till date, plus you cowards should get illorin back first , it's public knowledge yoruba's are verbal warriors, that's why a man from the north who knows you well said, anytime he wakes up at night and hear the yoruba's beating drums of war he will simply Go back to sleep cause yoruba's are cowards

masseratti:
stop displaying foolery online because of a common unnecessary argument..there is difference between worship and bowing..besides pentecostal christian don't now on the floor but still they do worship..they took you to the cleaners you still arguing..u no get shame ?

Why are you Yoruba's trying to defend the cowardice slaves master culture of yours , you should be proud of it,
Prostrating is different from bowing , prostrating before someone is a complete surrender to a higher power,is a deep form of worship, you took yourself to the cleaners , we don't have such culture in igboland

RemoveKebab:
So it's the local one then

Both are not our culture

RemoveKebab:
which one are your people worshiping?
Foreign or local god

Both are foreign culture not our culture

RemoveKebab:
Same words and actions
Different meanings.
Bowing to worship God
Bowing to greet as a sign of respect

Some stuffs shouldn't be hard to comprehend
School is not scam

You made no sense

There is no difference in the two picture

One picture is worshiping a foreign unknown God

The other is worshiping a physical God in same manner

Benwallt:
3 million pigs wasted. What's the scores on their side? Less than 1000. Their is no glory in pain.

You people are in pain and I am quite sorry for that. I hope you people heal very soon.

You sounded like a jolly good fellow though.

Lol , you cowards who have never fought a war can't relate, we fought the entire Nigeria including you Yoruba's and your master's at once , go and read about what happened at the battlefield not children dying of starvation

RemoveKebab:
My guy prostration in Yoruba culture is a sign of respect so as the Vietnamese, Japanese and Chinese bow to show respect and honor
It's a cultural thing
Does that indicate worship of men?
Are these people cowards as you claim?

Try dey reason na

You said Igbos don't bow due to their culture which means with logic those ones are worshiping the set of people they bow to.

And trust me there are loads of pictures and evidences showing Igbos bowing to people.

What is the difference between these two pictures?

Benwallt:
Yes o. You can see the effect in our society.

Obasanjo 8 years

Osibanjo 8 years

Tinubu 8 years

Ibos can not relate.

Ibos can't rise where their superior (Yoruba) dey

Of course we can't relate but at least we have looked our enemies in the eyes and fought them, while you worship them and hide behind igbos to confront them

We are self made people we don't depend or look up to others like slaves