uche40:


I realized that as well. I'm not sure why.

Most of the stories are said to be accounts from a book titled: God Made Me Do It: True Stories of the Worst Advice the Lord Has Ever Given His Followers

I tried searching for a .pdf format for the book but it seems it's not available online. You can research more on it if you're interested.

edit: Ok. I think I was able to find some of the news articles online. Try the links below

https://www.washingtonpost.com/archive/politics/1993/08/20/20-naked-people-emerge-after-auto-strikes-tree/b36f7f9f-ab19-4c22-b975-79a402c9b438/

https://www.nbcnews.com/news/amp/wbna28005693

https://edition.cnn.com/2004/LAW/03/29/children.slain/index.html

I couldn't get the last one.

Firstly, Happy New Month!

Second, this is a clear case of people misinterpreting what God said, save for the last one (she is definitely mentally ill)

I don't think when God said leave all your belonging, he literally meant everything (and the two were pastors lol). They should have at least worn some clothes smh.

As for the truck driver, there had to have been a better way to get the woman to pull over. At least no one was harmed.

uche40:


Pharaoh called me some minutes ago. He says he knows a popular comedy club in Egypt. He needs you to perform as an entertainer.

Jonah asked for your number. He said he wants to have a word with you.

The Ephesians asked about you. They want to know if you're still serving the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.

[I apologize if the sarcasm rubbed you off the wrong way, but hopefully you got the message]

oh no, I see your point and I found your sarcasm quite amusing.

I don't get the Ephesians reference though

uche40:



May 2008 in Wisconsin...God told me if i prayed hard enough she would come back to life...
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,354849,00.html

August 1993 in Texas, 20 naked people emerge from a car that struck a tree
http://www.highbeam.com/doc/1P2-961214.html

San Antoni, TX...God tells man to ram another vehicle at 100mph
http://www.metro.co.uk/weird/428252-god-told-man-to-ram-vehicle-at-100mph

March 2004, Texas...God told me to kill my 3 sons...
http://articles.cnn.com/2004-03-29/justice/children.slain_1_deanna-laney-insanity-defense-luke-laney?_s=PM:LAW

None of the links are working.

uche40:


The first paragraph in this dizzying riposte in particular is quite amusing as well. Correct me if I'm wrong but your entire rejoinder seems to be making the argument that innocent children and parents should be spared the misery of being alive to deal with all sorts of pain, suffering and PTSD that results from devastating war incidents -- insisting that there isn't any other option for them. In your first paragraph, you brought up an example of a young boy who was apparently dealing with mental trauma from war-related crimes which led to him exhibiting anti-social behaviors. Curiously, you shot yourself in the foot in that same paragraph when you affirmed that he was eventually rehabilitated. This seems to deflate your argument that "mercy-killing" of these infants is the only option.

The first thing I'd like you to note is that the said child was reabilitated through the efforts of a mother who won't give up and a behavioural specialist. This is important because, firstly in the context of the bible, I don't believe behavioural specialists were around in those times, hence such a means of rehabilitation would be unfeasible (assuming it takes the same framework to rehabilitate such children, a loving parent and a behavioural specialist)

Second, in a lot of cases, it's not just one child that left behind. There are usually thousands. As the leader of a nation who is already trying to take care of your own people, it would not be wise to sink so much resources into the rehabilitation of the children of the enemy (Each child will have to be found a loving parent and a behavioural specialist following our mock model. Even if we attach several children to one parent and/or behavioural specialist the effect does not compound because the resources are spilt many ways and it my take far longer for them to rehabilitate if they do at all) One would have to house and feed all these children while they are being transferred to a home with a loving parent and being found a behavioural specialist.

And don't forget that as the children of an enemy state, not a lot of people would be willing to show the child such unconditional love, and assigning the child to an unloving parent would just lead to the build up of resentment which may explode in your face should you come under attack (the children will definitely not help to defend you from an enemy and in most cases will aid the enemy even at the cost of their lives).

And even if they are outliers who haven't been indoctrinated and may successfully reintegrate with society (assuming the people of your own nation don't take care of them first; the resentment works both ways), it would take a lot of time and resources to comb through all of them and pick out those good ones, and the possibility is still high that you'll miss a few.

uche40:
Meanwhile, since the issue of war seems to interest you so much that you bring it up every five seconds, I'd really like you to explain to me why an omniscient, omnipotent and omnibenevolent deity relies on wars and petty violence to impose his will on mankind:

God doesn't impose His will on mankind, man imposes his will on mankind.

It was the Israelites that decided to go to war, and they always went to God asking what they should do in the war. God only answered accordingly.

jasminer:



But I like the aspect of consent you gave. But what happens when an animal itself like a chimpanzee touches a woman sexually or an animal like a dog who has been exposed to sexual acts before attempts to ride a woman. In such a case, the animal made the first move, in such a case, it can't be rape can it?

lol

uche40:

Ok, Roland.

Why Roland?
lol

uche40:
I used to have a strong fear of death when I was much younger but I've grown to overcome that fear. Now the only fear I probably have is losing my loved ones like my parents or one of my brothers, and being left alone.

I have to say this rings do true for me. I can't imagine waking up one day and my mom is no longer around.

I usually resolve not to think about it but it comes up

MaxInDHouse:


Now let me enlighten you on what is called intellectual talk:

Each intolerant and arrogant human feel like ~ don't talk to me about your opinion because i should be the one teaching you"

This is what brought you into this thread but then you failed to present what you have that surpasses that of those around you instead you're here talking about what they have trying to prove it doesn't worth being treasured the way they value it. That's not how wise people reason all you need to do is present what you now possess after trashing what you had formally and leave the rest to sincere and honest hearted individuals, they will see reasons with you without maligning their faith. Remember how you once treasure what you had back then so instead of arguing over what you thought is evil in their faith why not present what you've found that's better of than theirs?

This is a thread.

Anyone can post their opinion.

She did just that,

It was you and the other guy who took it upon yourselves to argue with her.

MaxInDHouse:


Whatever you (humans) feel that makes your life sweeter do it but Please! Please!! Please!!! Stay away from politics because that's the only thing that could lead you to insanity making you killers of one another without feeling remorseful!

Genesis 2:17

I don't see how the bible verse you quoted helps your argument.

Wilgrea7:


He allegedly killed Ananias and sapphira for not bringing all the money they got from selling their property to the apostles.

I'd just like to say, the problem with Ananias and Sapphira was not that they didn't bring all the money, but that they lied about it. Nobody asked them to bring all that they had, but they could have at least been upfront with it.

This is in no way a defense for what happened, I don't know enough to even begin. But rather a clarification.

uche40:


Just wanted to be certain. Are you a Christian? I want to know more about your beliefs.

It's a question I myself am still coming to terms with.

But generally you can treat me as one.

Though some of the things I hold to be true may not align with the traditional Christian faith.

uche40:


I made it perfectly clear numerous times that I don't care to hear your preachings and hermeneutics and I told you verbatim at the beginning that I don't have any need to worship your God and tend to his infantile needs. So, I'm guessing you have short term memory.

The truth is that you think YOU are the sole authority on what the Bible says is true or false, and you thought you could dazzle me with your claptrap but you failed.

Better luck next time.

Using Buddhist scripture to prove the Christian wrong, that's a good one.

Funniest thing I have ever seen

kingxsamz:


If there's always a reasonable counter, I'll always say it. No matter how right you think you might be. The fact that I keep arguing back and forth does not mean I don't accept some things or I'm close minded.

Anyways, I just want to say thank you for this learning opportunity, my eyes have been opened, and it couldn't have been done without you.

I will not continue this argument (for real this time)

And I hope you find the answers your looking for

kingxsamz:


Again, I was referring to how straightforward the answers were. Whether you've been answering differently before or not does not matter.

But when we gave straight forward answers that did not serve your purpose you went off on another tangent trying to find a way to achieve your aims.

kingxsamz:


You have been changing your stance over the time. It's either you're here or there man.

I change my stance because I am growing. Over the course of this argument I have gained insights that have changed what I think, which means I was open to being influenced by the argument.

You however have shown a closed mind and never retreated even when faced with contrary information, nor have you even accepted to take this information into account. You pick and chose what you like.

kingxsamz:

You'd have to tell me because the tree led to thousands and thousands of years filled with horror.
If the Christian god was perfect, that tree wouldn't be there in the first place.
Perfect beings don't make decisions that lead to imperfections.

I have admitted to my ignorance plainly. I do not know. But you seem to know, so enlighten me.

kingxsamz:


That's individual choice. Who says it's wrong?
Some don't even bath regularly.
Everything has to be black and white when it comes to the Christian god. After all, a child who lied will end up in the same hell as someone who killed innocent people. No exceptions. Rules are rules.

And who said so for the bolded?

What we've been trying to prove to you is exactly what the italicized is, depending on circumstance what may be right may be wrong (jasminer correct me if I am wrong).

You have been trying to prove the bolded and have ignored all proof brought before you that doesn't fit into your view of Christianity.

kingxsamz:


It's not about the reply being good or not. It's about how you answered. A simple yes or no will do, rather than long unnecessary sermons which doesn't answer the questions being asked.

Yes but the other answers I gave were not regarded as me answering well, and it was definitely not because of lengthy sermons, because I answered succinctly. So what attribute in my answer allowed you to give it the characteristic of "well"

kingxsamz:


So what best outcome did putting the tree of good and evil in the same garden he Intended to keep his children (Adam and Eve) lead to?

That is a good question but one to which I cannot answer. I am foolish in regards to the question.

Why do you think the tree was put there?

kingxsamz:

Oh well,
The next verse clearly shows he was forced so as to prevent him from letting them go.

I see no use of force

kingxsamz:


So he's right and he's wrong?

I have already clarified my stance. I admit I made a mistake in my wording, I have come to better understanding now.

Namdio:
Or rather, I meant the act of killing children is wrong, but can be necessary.
In that case God wasn't wrong to ask the Children of Israel to do so. It was the best course of action.

I need not do more

kingxsamz:


Namdio already accepted that the Christian god was wrong for what he did. So I need to ask you the same question. He answered me well like I expected you to, but you're too scared. So can I ask you again?

Off point, but, how do you know that the reply I gave is a good reply?

kingxsamz:


@bolded is the only thing that matters. Every other thing is not necessary.

But now you are taking what I said out of context and running with it.

Life is not all black and white, what is wrong in an instance is right in another.

Wearing clothes is right.

But wearing clothes to bath is wrong.

You can't just say you want to go around naked because wearing clothes in the bath is wrong.

kingxsamz:


Whichever way, the Christian god did wrong.
And one who does wrong is not perfect. A perfect being can do no wrong.

A perfect being does no wrong, in the sense that all his actions lead to the best possible outcome.

Some people think disciplining a child is wrong, but it is required for the child to be the best they can be so a perfect being would discipline

kingxsamz:


Namdio already accepted that the Christian god was wrong for what he did. So I need to ask you the same question. He answered me well like I expected you to, but you're too scared. So can I ask you again?

Or rather, I meant the act of killing children is wrong, but can be necessary.

In that case God wasn't wrong to ask the Children of Israel to do so. It was the best course of action.

kingxsamz:
Lol, didn't the other plagues affect him and his folks?

Isn't hunger affecting Nigerian politicians?
Something could be happening in a country but the leaders remain unaffected.

kingxsamz:


It was wrong. That's what I wanted to see.
So the Christian god does wrong.

What seems wrong but what is ultimately best.

What is wrong to some is not to others, but what is best is best.

If He only did what seemed right, Christians won't suffer at all. But that is not best, so we suffer so we can be better people.

kingxsamz:

Maka why?

It seems even in nonsense, there is still sense. I am officially changing my stance, you have helped me understand, so I say thank you.

In the framework of traditional right and wrong, yes it was wrong for God to ask the Israelites to kill all the Amalekites.

But my question is, in that point in time was it the best course of action?

Yes.

If they hadn't, it would have surely become a thorn in the side of Israel.

Sometimes the best course of action is not necessarily right.

kingxsamz:

So why did he let them go since he had always hated them?

Because his hate for what was happening was stronger.

Don't forget he had to lose his first son before he changed his mind. At that point it wasn't something that was affecting the people, it was something that was affecting him as well.

Leaders have a propensity to ignore things that don't directly affect them as can be seen by ASUU strike.

kingxsamz:

Was it right for the Christian god to send men to kill every child because men from the Amalekite kingdom have been causing havoc in Israel or to Israelites?

Yes

kingxsamz:

The point is the Christian god confused them on purpose because he knows what the end result will be. Even if they learned each other's languages, he would probably find more means to stop them, because stopping them was the main goal.
She's wrong any how you guys put it.

https://biblehub.com/genesis/11-7.htm

I see no place where the goal was to confuse them. What was confused was the language.

Even despite that, we have the people of Sodom and Gomorrah, if those sort of people had taken over, everyone would have suffered for a long time. You got it right the God knew the end result, and if He scattered them then it must mean the end result wouldn't have benefitted them (in the long run).

kingxsamz:


I told you to assume that Igbo land wasn't part of Nigeria at all. If Igbo land was its own country, would it be right for Buhari to kill every child from there because Igbo men have been causing havoc in Nigeria?

No