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^ That's one of the ones that are not worth responding to.

etrange:
Ok. Thanks.

But I still don't see how the name is justified though. There are a billion names they could have chosen from literature, names that would better reflect their goal. Why pyrate? Fraternity isn't necessarily good or bad. It depends on what they do. But when the word is qualified with another word that is explicitly negative, would you still blame anyone for drawing conclusions on the type of fraternity?

And since he has called for the end of these fraternities, why still dress in red and match with members at the burial of an ex member? What message does that send in these times when we are struggling to put an end to all this?

How do you know that there are a billion names that would better reflect their goals and what is wrong with the name?? Have you read the book??

Do you know the meaning of the term Fraternity??

Where did I say that he called for an end to fraternities and why would he do that.

He ordered that the Pyrates Fraternity to cease existing in university campuses because some fraternities on campuses had morphed into youth gangs and he didn't want the same to happen to the Pyrates Fraternity. That was a long time ago and they have ceased existing on university campuses decades ago.

Why shouldn't he wear red? Do you want to police what a free man chooses to wear in a democracy??

That's why I said that I'm often unsure whether to answer these questions because I'm not sure if the people that ask them are serious or not.

Do you know the difference between a youth gang and a fraternity??

etrange:
Maybe but why was it called pyrate/pirate? Knowing what that word means, isn't rather an indication of the kind of fraternity it was?

You see, all these things have been discussed so many times over the decades such that when people make comments like the kind that I have seen on this thread, I wonder if they are serious or joking. That's why I sometimes choose not to answer.



What did Wole Soyinka study at the University of Ibadan? Answer: English literature, Greek, and Western history.


What is Professor Wole Soyinka's profession? Answer: He is a playwright and novelist.

Where did all those names come from? Answer: Treasure Island.

What is Treasure Island? Answer: It is a book that is often used to English Literature.



I listened to a BBC interview a long time ago (decades ago), in which Professor Soyinka addressed this issue. The interviewer called these organisations "cults" and Professor Soyinka said that they are not cults, they are youth gangs. He explained that it was because of these youth gangs that he ordered that the Pyrates Fraternity should cease existing on university campuses. He blamed the government for allowing these youth gangs to exist and he even hinted at the fact that a lot of the members are children of people in government and that's why the government had not done anything about them. He condemned the barbaric acts that were committed by these youth gangs.

That was on the BBC World Service Radio a long time ago.

obailala:
Name the people he killed or maimed or forever be quiet.

What that guy wrote is absolute nonsense. Ask him to tell you when Wole Soyinka graduated and when Buccaneers was created and you'll see that he doesn't know what he is talking about.

President Barrack Obama greets Phi Beta Sigma Fraternity on their centenary anniversary.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DBzaYhsnMws

A fraternity stepping during a graduation ceremony.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nBZhTAotVEA

Members of Alpha Phi Alpha Fraternity stepping.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Xh4JUVs5Uo

The original Pyrates (1950s)

Pike Fraternity at Florida State University.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ieV1HpAfi1k

He is still wasting his time quoting me, not knowing that I'm not going to read whatever he wrote.

generalwo:
......bros na you call am youth gangs o.... Their official names have confraternity in them...... I never see cult group wen label themselves as gangs..... All of them say them be confraternity.........

Ok, so according to you, all confraternities are violent organisations.

Professor Wole Soyinka is a member of a confraternity.

So, according to you, Professor Soyinka is involved in violent acts like murder, etc.

Not so?

If someone calls himself a Christian and kills somebody and says that it is God that told him to kill somebody, it therefore means that all Christians are killers and the person is a Christian, not so?

If someone calls himself a Muslim and kills somebody and says that it is Allah that told him to kill somebody, it therefore means that all Muslims are killers and the person is a Muslim, not so?

I'm not going to continue wasting my time arguing with you.

generalwo:
..... Bros na experience make the man talk wetin he talk...... In other parts of the world, a confraternity may mean something good but here in Nigeria, experience have tuned our minds to always avoid members of fraternities because they have in one way or the other been associated with evil and terror

That's what we are telling you.

We are not saying that there are no violent organisations in universities. There are. Those are youth gangs.

What Professor Wole Soyinka started was not a youth gang.

Some of the fraternities in universities turned into youth gangs and because of that Professor Soyinka ordered that there should be no Pyrates Fraternity in universities.

Those that still exist in universities are not part of the original Pyrates Fraternity (now known as National Association of Seadogs).

There are fraternities and sororities in Nigeria that are not youth gangs. I gave you an example, the Confraternity of Christian Mothers.

However, dangerous youth gangs exist in Nigerian universities and they've gotten worse because some of them have become mafia organisations.

generalwo. You remind me of this man.

naptu2:
Something very funny happened many years ago. I was standing on the side of the road when a bus passed and written on its side were the words, "Confraternity of Christian Mothers".

One man on the roadside exclaimed. "Confraternity! These people no know the meaning of the word when dey dey use. Confra! How person go use that kind word"?


I almost died of laughter

generalwo:
..... This is what Wikipedia told me a confraternity is in Nigeria.. . What do u have to say about it sir? Or na only your own view of fraternity correct? My point is, on paper a fraternity may be a religion of bliss and sugar but in reality, what is it here in Nigeria...... Are they not involved in the same activities as dreaded cult groups? Mention one fraternity on our campuses and I can dig up an evil they have commited recently

Oga, go and read that post that you first quoted, you'll see the answer to your questions there.

Read this again.

I wrote that many fraternities in Nigerian universities transformed into youth gangs in the 1970s and 1980s and in response to that Professor Wole Soyinka ordered that the Pyrate Fraternity, now known as the National Association of Seadogs, should pull out of the universities. Those youth gangs of the 1970s and 1980s have now become international mafia syndicates with branches in places like Italy, Canada and the US. What Professor Wole Soyinka started in 1952 was a fraternity, not a youth gang.


Can you give me the identities of the people that Professor Wole Soyinka's Pyrates killed in the 1950s when it was active in universities??

Is the Confraternity of Christian Mothers not a confraternity in Nigeria? Who have they killed?

generalwo:
... Bros, back in my days at the university of Benin, a group killed a young engineering student and when asked, they said they were members of so so and so confraternity......how does that make sense sir? A mother who's son was beheaded in front of her, so u want to tell her that a fraternity is a good thing? Frater9in Nigeria is different from frat in other parts of the world..... Here in 9ja...a frat which is the same thing as a cult is an evil gathering of people who are committed to killing rival gangs senselessly all in the name of supremacy

You have still not answered my question and I think your emotions are making it difficult for you to understand what was in the first post that you quoted.

What you described here is a youth gang, not a fraternity. The fact that they called themselves a fraternity does not mean that that is what it is, neither does it mean that all fraternities are like that.

Have you heard of Confraternity of Christian Mothers? Have they killed anyone?

Go back to my earlier post that you quoted and read it again and then you'll see what a fraternity really is.

generalwo:
..... What he started was a fraternity....... Let me ask you this, putting into consideration your above definition of a fraternity, if you get son when just gain admission into a Nigerian university, will you advise him to join ANY confraternity or fraternity in school?

I have absolutely no problem advising my son to join a fraternity or sorority (that's if you know the meaning of the word), but I will never advise him to join a youth gang or criminal organisation (do you know the difference?).


Now since I've answered your question, you answer mine, what is a fraternity?