I only read your first sentence and it was a lie. I have posted 4 instances that have busted this lie. Scroll through and read them. I deal with facts, not sentiments.
Reverse gamesmanship occurs when you believe that your hosts are planning to do something bad, so you make your own arrangements to counter them. The elements of reverse gamesmanship are:
A) You book your own hotel accommodation. Your hosts would have booked a hotel for you, but you ignore that hotel and book another hotel.
B) Your hire a team bus. Your hosts would have provided a team bus, but you ignore it and hire another bus
C) You don't inform your hosts about your travel arrangements, so that you can get them by surprise and they won't be able to prepare anything bad for you.
You must have a good point man in the host country in order to achieve this
Problems arise when you don't have a good point man, yet you want to play games.
Kenya
There was a match between Nigeria and Kenya in Calabar in 2013. The Kenyans did not inform the NFF of their travel plans. They suddenly arrived in Lagos.
Arik Air was the NFF's sponsor back then and it only flew to Calabar once a week. The Arik Air flight had already left Lagos for Calabar earlier that day, before the Kenyans arrived. The NFF had to arrange for Arik Air to provide another plane the next day.
The Kenyans complained that there was no NFF official to receive them, but how could there be when the NFF was not informed on time? NFF officials were in Calabar and Abuja, not in Lagos. The Kenyans found a football pitch at a secondary school and that's where they trained. They took pictures of the pitch and it went viral on social media. That was not the NFF's fault, it was entirely the fault of the Kenyans.
South Africa
The Super Eagles were to play Bafana Bafana in Uyo. Everybody thought that they would fly straight to Uyo or they would come through Lagos. Their flight was delayed in South Africa. The Bafana Bafana handle tweeted that their flight was delayed in South Africa (I posted a screenshot on my thread), yet they did not inform the NFF.
Their plane arrived Port-Harcourt Airport late at night. Uyo Airport had closed for the day by the time that they arrived Port-Harcourt and they could not get permission to fly to Uyo because the airport was closed. What do you want the NFF to do about that? NFF officials were waiting for them in Uyo, but they were in Port-Harcourt.
Libya
NFF's head of protocol spoke to the secretary-general of the Libyan FA on Monday and the Libyan did not tell him that the Libyan team would arrive on Tuesday. Late Monday night he got a call from someone that described himself as the Libyan advance party and the person told him that the Libyan team would arrive on Tuesday. The NFF made arrangements to receive them in Uyo on Tuesday afternoon. However, on Tuesday they got a call that the Libyan team was in Port-Harcourt. How was the NFF to know that they would be in Port-Harcourt?
Now take a look at the explanation by the Mamelodi Sundowns official in the last post above.
REVERSE GAMESMANSHIP 2
There is another trick that some teams play.
Enyimba played Raja Casablanca in Nigeria in 2018. Enyimba received them very well. I saw the videos and pictures. However, Raja players and officials made statements to travelling Moroccan journalists that they were mistreated, etc. Enyimba immediately filed a complaint to CAF. It was obvious that Raja were planning to maltreat Enyimba in Morocco and that they made those statements to rile their fans up.
KLEINBASS: And Nigeria never mistreated South Africa and Libya?
Aha! You are perfect! You lead me straight to number 4. Let me introduce number 4 by turning your question back at you.
And South Africa never mistreated Wydad?
(This is my last response to you. I have made my point. Now you can read my next post if you want to get enlightenment, but I will not respond to you again. You can find out what happened to Kenya, South Africa, Libya, Raja Casablanca and what actually happened in the story below in my next post).
Masandawana have responded to accusations that the club did not fulfil their obligations as hosts
The battle between Mamelodi Sundowns and Wydad Casablanca is slowly becoming one of the fiercest rivalries on the continent.
While Masandawana overcame the Moroccans this past weekend, this has done little to quash the war of words of the field.
According to reports doing the rounds, Wydad were reportedly victims of gamesmanship as they were allegedly left without transport when they arrived in the country.
However, following the fiery encounter that saw tempers flare up during and after the final whistle at the Lucas Moripe Stadium, Sundowns’ acting General Manager Yogesh Singh has explained the club’s version of events.
Singh reveals that the 2017 Caf Champions League winners did not communicate adequately with their hosts regarding the date of their arrival.
“They didn’t tell us when they are arriving,” Singh told Independent Media.
“We had everything booked for them. When we found out they were in the country, we arranged everything for them. It’s about communication. There was a failure in communication,” he added.
“The rules say they must communicate their itinerary to the Moroccan federation, who must tell Safa, and Safa will tell us,” he explained.
Meanwhile, there has been a lot of talk about what Sundowns can expect when they visit Casablanca in their final game of qualifying, but Singh suggests that the club are already preparing themselves for the gamesmanship that will be expected.
“We make the arrangements. They didn’t tell us. We have our plans, and we have plan B (for Morocco),” he concluded.
In the aftermath of victory over Wydad, Sundowns are now back in contention in Group A as they look to seal a place in the knockout rounds and eventually lift the title which they have won just once, back in 2016.
KLEINBASS might be busy, so let's drop number 3 here, so that he'll see it when he gets back.
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Mamelodi Sundowns accuse Wydad Casablanca of gamesmanship
Yusuf Variava 21 Sept 2017
Masandawana are clearly not pleased by the way the club have been treated in Morocco
Mamelodi Sundowns' preparations for the second leg of the Caf Champions League quarterfinal encounter has been hampered by Wydad Casablanca's relentless shenanigans.
Masandawana arrived in Rabat earlier this week, but have been sent from pillar to post in search of a suitable training venue after their hosts failed to provide one, but after spending the whole of Wednesday looking for a venue, the Brazilians are finally able to begin their preparations ahead of the crunch encounter.
Sundowns officials have not been pleased with Wydad's gamesmanship and it was previously reported that management had written a strongly worded letter to the South African Football Association (Safa) expressing their displeasure and pleading with Caf to help.
Article continues below “They have been messing around‚” Sundowns spokesman Thulani Thuswa told Times Media on Thursday.
“They didn’t provide us with a training pitch and we had to look for one ourselves. Yesterday (on Wednesday) we drove all around Rabat the whole day looking for a pitch. Eventually we found one – at the Stade du FUS‚ which is the old pitch that used to be used by FUS Rabat. On our first day here (Tuesday) we didn’t train. We even told Wydad that if they could not provide us a pitch we had an option to train at the old FUS Rabat pitch‚ but they said‚ ‘No‚ no‚ you can’t because the lights don’t work there’,” he explained.
“Then we went to train there yesterday and the lights worked fine. Our advance party even arrived two days before the team‚ and in that time, they could also not find a pitch available,” he added.
“But we believe that Morocco does not have a very good relationship with SA. Apparently, it stems back to SA winning the right to host the 2010 World Cup. And also‚ gamesmanship is a big thing here. The bus they gave us was sh*t – it was a grey, old, stinky bus. So, we’ve got another one at our own expense,” he lamented.
According to reports, there is suspicion that Wydad had called several officials around Rabat asking them not to avail training venues.
“The official reason the Moroccans have given us is that the national team has not been doing well because of poor pitches‚ and that they need to preserve all the pitches for the national team‚” Thuswa said.
“The thing is‚ when they came to SA‚ we treated them really well. We gave them police escorts‚ we had (Sundowns official) Alex Shakoane and drivers stationed permanently with them to attend to their needs. Here we have had no police escorts," he continued.
"We have this guy who drives our van with our kit in‚ Ashraf‚ and he’s the one who shows us where to go.”
Despite all the uncertainty created, Thuswa maintains that the players are in good spirits and that the adversity could motivate Sundowns players even further.
“I believe so‚ because I have seen that in all the countries that treat us like this‚ we come out victorious,” he expressed.
“The players are not affected at all. When we can’t find a pitch they go and do match analysis‚ and there’s a gym and a pool at the hotel. So, people use their time constructively,” he concluded.
KLEINBASS: There was no mistreatment I remember they delayed because they couldn’t give them a go ahead to host their games since Libya could not host. Unlike what Nigerians do
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Chiefs victims of inept refereeing
A shocking performance from the referees is what characterised Saturday night’s fixture of the Caf Champions league between Esperance and Kaizer Chiefs at Rades.
Kaizer Chiefs lost 4-0 after Esperance were awarded two imaginary penalties three minutes apart from each other, in the first 10 minutes of the game. The game continued in the same spirit with every touch of an Esperance player being considered a foul and nearly every Chiefs attempt to attack being an off side.
However, the two other goals conceded were legitimate and further put the team in an uncomfortable position to come back in their return game scheduled for the 23rd April 05.
“There is a big difference in coming back from a 4-0 loss than from a 2-0 loss, which in the worst-case scenario after tonight’s game, should have been the case,” stated the head coach, Ted Dumitru at the hotels supper table.
On the result of the game the coach commented as follows:
“It is another sad day for African soccer and unfortunately Kaizer Chiefs was abused by the vicious attitude of the referees. It was impossible to recover psychologically after the first 10 minutes of the game. It took time for us to recharge and regain confidence and it was during that time that the 3rd goal was scored. After that and until the final whistle, we dominated the game but could not score.
The many incidents occurred proved that the referee did not apply the rules of the game with two clear intentional handballs that should’ve resulted in yellow cards, a foul on Mbesuma in the penalty area, being totally ignored and also by overruling the linesmen decisions.
"We will try our best in our return game to rectify the situation and I really hope that South Africans will have the opportunity to view this game so that supporters and soccer lovers will have the opportunity to understand what conditions we are subject to when playing against other African teams especially from North Africa,” stated a disappointed coach.
“This is a huge set back for African football in its attempt to gain international credibility,” concluded Dumitru.
The atmosphere in the stadium was amazing with over 25 000 supporters present and continuous singing from the stands, the vibe was exhilarating even though the Chiefs entourage seated in one of the suits was not impressed with the handling of the game on the field.
Chairman and Managing Director of Kaizer Chiefs, Mr. Kaizer Motaung was also present at the game supporting his team every step of the way, but after witnessing game he to expressed his disappointment with the unfair treatment awarded to Chiefs.
“There has to be a compelling reason why South African teams should compete in any CAF inter-club competitions, because it’s a known fact that North African teams are always given special treatment over others.
"As a matter of fact, as mentioned in my column this past Friday, the biggest fear we face in playing teams from this region, is refereeing.
"This is not something new as all teams that come up here are well aware of the treatment they receive on the field of play and what happened tonight in the first 10 minutes of the game was a disgrace for African football,” stated a disappointed Motaung after the game.
The Chairman had a tough job in consoling and motivating the players in the change room after the game and could not blame them for the result.
On the overall performance of the team, Kaizer Motaung stated, “I cannot blame the team because with what happened in the first 10 minutes of the game, it would have been difficult for any team to recover. But be that as it may, there is still another 90 minutes of play and we will do the best we can to see to its final.”
Esperance have always been successful in the African Champions League and in all CAF Cup competitions with either winning the silverware or reaching the finals. This year’s participation in the Champions League has seen Esperance winning every home game including the last game against Al Hillal from Sudan in the last 20 minutes of the game.
“It is not surprising that after having lost 2-0 away to a team from Sudan and after being one goal down at home with 20 minutes to go, Esperance managed to score five goals winning the game 5-3. Therein lies the mystery that can explain how five goals came about where as they could not score even one in the preceding 160 minutes”, commented the Chairman.
In conclusion Motaung said, “Unfortunately there is nothing we can do about the situation, the referees decision is final, therefore we need to pull up our socks and get mentally ready for the return game”.
The team will be landing in South Africa on Tuesday morning at 6h45am where the focus will back on winning all their remaining games of the Premier Soccer League season.
Egypt face disciplinary restrictions over Algeria attack
FIFA's disciplinary committee has ordered Egypt to play their first two home 2014 World Cup qualifiers at least 100km outside Cairo following an attack on the Algerian team bus last year, in addition to paying a $88,000 fine.
Issued on: 18/05/2010
REUTERS - Egypt must play their first two home 2014 World Cup qualifiers at least 100km outside Cairo after the Algerian team bus was attacked and three players were injured before a highly-charged match there last November.
The Egyptians were also found guilty of overcrowding at the Cairo International Stadium and of detaining the Algerian bus for 45 minutes afterwards in the latest twist to a long-running soccer feud between the two nations.
FIFA's disciplinary committee fined the Egyptian Football Association (EFA) 100,000 Swiss francs ($88,160) for the incidents before the match on November 14.
Egypt won the game 2-0, leaving the teams level on points, goal difference and goals scored at the top of African Group C, but Algeria won a playoff five days later in Khartoum to qualify for their first World Cup since 1986.
"The FIFA disciplinary committee took this decision after determining that the EFA had failed to take all the necessary security precautions to ensure the safety of the Algerian delegation, as well as security and order at the Cairo International Stadium," said FIFA in a statement.
"The Egyptian FA had not adopted the necessary measures to prevent the assault on the bus of the Algerian delegation on the way from the airport to the hotel on Nov 12. In addition, the bus windows were smashed and four members of the Algerian delegation, including three players, were injured.
"It was equally noted that security and order in the stadium were not guaranteed, as an excessive number of spectators were granted access to the stadium and the entrances and stairways were obstructed.
"Furthermore, at the end of the match, the bus of the Algerian delegation was detained for over 45 minutes."
At the time of the incidents, Algerian Minister of National Solidarity Djamal Ould Abbes called the Cairo violence "unacceptable and uncivilised" while Egypt recalled its ambassador from Algiers for consultations.
Bad feeling between the two sides stretches back to a World Cup qualifier 21 years ago in Cairo, when Egypt won 1-0 to guarantee a place at the Italy finals in 1990.
Players clashed on the field after that game and the Egyptian team doctor was partially blinded during the trouble.
Egypt then threatened to pull out of the following year's African Nations Cup in Algeria. They eventually sent a B team and lost all three group games.
Ghana Female U17 Team Forced to Dress Outside After Dressing Room Was Sprayed with Chemicals in Morocco; Video
Lukman Mumuni updated at April 12, 2023
The Black Maidens of Ghana endured a torrid time in Morocco before the second leg of their World Cup qualifier The team were made to dress outside after the dressing room was sprayed with chemicals making it difficult for the team to breathe Ghana ended up losing to the North Africans and failed to qualify for the World Cup in India later this year The Black Maidens of Ghana were given poor treatment by hosts Morocco before the second leg of their World Cup qualifier.
In a video posted on Twitter, spotted by Sports Brief, the players are seen sitting on the grounds as they received their jackets before walking onto the pitch.
"Our dressing room sprayed with chemicals and we had to sit outside through the break," posted on Twitter by the female national football teams handle.
The girls had to be calmed by officials of the team as they looked intimidated by what was going on just moments before the game.
The Black Maidens travelled to Rabat with a 2-0 advantage but ended up losing 4-2 to their Moroccan counterparts to miss out on the World Cup.
KLEINBASS: South Africa have been getting the best treatment in North Africa so far since we treat them well the issue is west Africa. South Africa was recently mistreated in Nigeria they used the same technicality that they used to Libya. Nigerians are just getting back their own medicine. Pity South Africans are diplomatically matured to return the same treatment
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Libya continues to play hide and seek with increasingly frustrated Bafana Bafana
21 February 2019 - 14:06 By Marc Strydom
As expected‚ Libya have delayed announcing the venue – Tunisia or Egypt – for their must-win final 2019 Africa Cup of Nations (Afcon) qualifier against Bafana Bafana until the very last day on Friday.
The SA Football Association (Safa) have been frustrated in their efforts to prepare early logistically in terms of travel‚ a hotel and training facilities for the qualifier on the weekend of March 22 to 24‚ where Bafana need a draw to reach Egypt 2019.
The match will be played at one of neighbouring Egypt or Tunisia because of a Fifa ban on playing in Libya due to the insecure security situation in the country.
And in a move that smacks of gamesmanship by the Libyans they have still not revealed the venue to Safa as Friday’s deadline approaches.
“No‚ no we are still waiting. Of course‚ Libya cannot play in Libya because of the unstable conditions‚” Safa president Danny Jordaan said on Wednesday.
“They always had a choice either to play in Tunisia or to play in Egypt. And they have not told us.”
Jordaan would not be drawn on whether he felt this was down to gamesmanship by the Libyans.
“Well‚ for us‚ we should concentrate on getting our team together and winning this match.
"The fortunate part is that most of our players who have had long-term injuries are back‚” the president said.
Safa had intended to send Bafana team manager Barney Kujane on a fact-finding mission to establish a suitable hotel‚ training facility and travel arrangements for the match well ahead of time at the beginning of this month‚ but were not able to.
Libya have played their two home games in Group E in Cairo‚ Egypt and Sfax‚ Tunisia.
Nigeria have qualified for Afcon 2019 as Group E leaders with 10 points‚ with Seychelles left to play at home.
South Africa are on nine points‚ and Libya seven. Bafana need a draw to qualify‚ and Libya a win.
The Afcon finals will be held in Egypt in June and July. Original hosts Cameroon were stripped of the competition over readiness issues.
It's funny seeing people try to politicise the thread.
North African teams do this to every team, even to other North African teams.
Just a few years ago the Moroccans sprayed insecticide in the dressing room of the Ghanaian Under 17 women's team. They couldn't use the dressing room at half time.
South Africa have been maltreated in North Africa.
Remember the 2009 World Cup qualifying matches between Algeria and Egypt? Both teams alleged that they suffered maltreatment and this led to rioting on the streets.
Raja Casablanca came to Nigeria to play Enyimba and immediately they started pretending that they were maltreated here, so that they would have an excuse to maltreat Enyimba. Enyimba's management had to send a protest letter to CAF before the second leg.
naptu2: There's a reason that Enyimba have reported Raja to CAF.
My dad led many Nigerian teams to North Africa in the 1970s and '80s and he told me about the antics of the north Africans.
He said that he usually called the Nigerian ambassador in the host country days before any match. He would tell the ambassador to book a hotel and hire a bus for the team.
This is because (1) fans of the north African team would usually camp outside the visiting teams hotel and they would make a lot of noise with loud speakers and drums, to ensure that players of the visiting team do not sleep at night.
2) They would usually book hotels in the red light district for the visiting team so that their players would be distracted by prostitutes.
3) Matches are usually held at night and in towns that are close to the Mediterranean, rather than their home town, so that the visiting players would be bothered by the cold.
4) Bags of urine are sometimes thrown at the reserve bench
I guess that Enyimba believe that Raja is trying to create animosity in the minds of its supporters so that they will give Enyimba a terrible time when Enyimba goes to Casablanca.
naptu2: Chief Abiola’s story included some underhand practices by host teams against visiting teams (changing the venue or kick-off times, etc.) This unfortunately was a regular occurrence in African football, as you can see from the post below.
The Nigeria Football Federation (NFF) after consulting with the Team doctors and players have been advised not to honour the game due to the health of the players.
The Nigerian contigent have spent 12+ hours at the Al-Abraq airport.
The players have been calm and shown understanding with the NFF.
This is sad for African Football.
Solace Chukwu @TheOddSolace
I support a boycott, not because I delude myself into thinking it will force CAF to act (it won't), but because, as Ekong has articulated here, the safety of the contingent, even when they are allowed egress from the airport, is in no way guaranteed.
Solace Chukwu @TheOddSolace
To be clear, CAF will probably just award Libya the points and 3 goals. Good for them. The Super Eagles will qualify still. But even if they wouldn't, it still would be unconscionable to ask the players to play this match. This is beyond football at this point.
William Troost-Ekong is the captain of the Super Eagles.
William Troost-Ekong (M.O.N) @WTroostEkong
12+ hours in an abandoned airport in Lybia after our plane was diverted whilst descending. Lybian government rescinded our approved landing in Benghazi with no reason. They’ve locked the airport gates and left us without phone connection, food or drink. All to play mind games.
I’ve experienced stuff before playing away in Africa but this is disgraceful behaviour. Even the Tunisian Pilot who thankfully managed to navigate the last minute change to an airport not fit for our plane to land had never seen something like this before.
Upon arrival he tried to find a nearby airport to rest with his crew to be denied at every hotel again under Government instruction. He could sleep there but NO NIGERIAN crew members allowed. They have returned to now sleep on the plane which is parked up.
At this point we have called for our Nigerian Government to intervene and rescue us. As the captain together with the team we have decided that we will NOT play this game. CAF should look at the report and what is happening here. Even if they decide to allow this kind of behaviour, let them have the points. We will not accept to travel anywhere by road here even with security it’s not safe. We can only imagine what the hotel or food would be like given to us IF we continued.
We respect ourselves and respect our opponents when they are our guests in Nigeria. Mistakes happen but these things on purpose have nothing to do with int. football.
Pictures 3 and 4: William Troost-Ekong on IG stories.
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The Ogun state government @OGSG_Official just purchased and fully paid for some units of CNG buses from @nordmotion.
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Image123: Well done naptu2. Just an aside, do you have another account or handle that you use for complaining or commending? You usually sound so formal and informative. Like no sides.
A friend of mine (a former Nairalander) said that I show no emotions.
I think what both of you mean is that I simply analyse issues. I am not really interested in sectionalism, emotionalism or in attacking personalities.
dalitigator: What happens when everyone suddenly migrates to CNG and it becomes more expensive than fuel? Na my issue be that. Nigerians have the crowd and crab mentality and will gladly capitalize on any situation.
SoftBread01: Why are you being defensive over a simple question?
Now I am beginning to question whether you are actually serious. You asked me whether someone else was doing something, how am I supposed to know? Am I the person? I directed you to the person and you say that I am being defensive.
I don't think you were being serious when you asked the question and I don't think I should take you seriously. I only engage in discussions with people that are serious.
Funny thing is that I haven't even posted everything that I want to post. I stopped to give others a chance to post and I will continue after a few more people have posted.
Sports › Re: Super Eagles Players Threaten To Boycott Match Over Poor Treatment By Libya by naptu2(op): 1:30pm On Oct 14, 2024
A friend of mine (a former Nairalander) said that I show no emotions.
