Really? Is that why Muslims will feel insulted when a doll is named after a boy by the name of 'Mohammad', but no Muslim will feel offended when the Name of Jesus is castigated - even by Muslims themselves?

We are taught not to insult other peoples religion, so i don't get your point.

Meanwhile, even Muhammad himself confessed that he was NOT better than Jonas! You don forget?

I no forget, but i though Prophet Jesus also said so.

""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone."
( Mark 10:18)"

Is that what she said at all?

Didn't you put on your goggles to see a question mark at the end?

@ mdsocks,
Yet again you dishonestly dodge every question put to you.

mdsocks:

We are taught not to insult other peoples religion, so i don't get your point.

When is "prophet Jesus/Issa" a part of your religion? Only when it is convenient for you?
If you are taught not to insult other people's religions then why are muslims not up in arms threatening us with death anytime "classics" like the Davinci code are made?

mdsocks:

I no forget, but i though Prophet Jesus also said so.

""Why do you call me good?" Jesus answered. "No one is good–except God alone."
( Mark 10:18)"

What is the relevance of this? Jesus Christ said so because He knew He was God Himself only present on earth in the flesh.

Very simple question that deserved a straight forward answer. If mohammed was the greatest "by works" according to you then please show us where he healed the sick, raised the dead and conquered the grave.
Dont evade a clear fact by pandering to dishonesty and pretended nonchallance each time you are unable to defend your prophet.

Mr man, and so what

If he raised the dead, other prophets did what was more unique than his.

I don't like comparing prophets but you will make me do that here to make things clear.

Check below works of other prophets

"Elisha died and was buried.  Now Moabite raiders used to enter the country every spring.  Once while some Israelites were burying a man, suddenly they saw a band of raiders; so they threw the man's body into Elisha's tomb. When the body touched Elisha's bones, the man came to life and stood up on his feet.   Hazael king of Aram oppressed Israel throughout the reign of Jehoahaz.  (From the NIV Bible, 2 Kings 13:20-22)"


"Then the LORD said to him, "What is that in your hand?"  "A staff," he replied.  The LORD said, "Throw it on the ground."  Moses threw it on the ground and it became a snake, and he ran from it.  Then the LORD said to him, "Reach out your hand and take it by the tail."  So Moses reached out and took hold of the snake and it turned back into a staff in his hand.  (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 4:2-4)"


so, i see nothing really unique about his miracles.

What is the relevance of this? Jesus Christ said so because He knew He was God Himself only present on earth in the flesh.

hmmmm. and does that sounds logical to you?

you guys just keep confusing yourselves.

mdsocks:

Mr man, and so what

If he raised the dead, other prophets did what was more unique than his.

Simple question - what did mohammed do that was unique at all?

mdsocks:

I don't like comparing prophets but you will make me do that here to make things clear.

Check below works of other prophets

Before we address your quotes just one more question - when did Elisha become one of the "prophets" in Islam? Show us were this is written in the quran . . . thanks.

mdsocks:

"Elisha died and was buried.  Now Moabite raiders used to enter the country every spring.  Once while some Israelites were burying a man, suddenly they saw a band of raiders; so they threw the man's body into Elisha's tomb. When the body touched Elisha's bones, the man came to life and stood up on his feet.   Hazael king of Aram oppressed Israel throughout the reign of Jehoahaz.  (From the NIV Bible, 2 Kings 13:20-22)"


"Then the LORD said to him, "What is that in your hand?"  "A staff," he replied.  The LORD said, "Throw it on the ground."  Moses threw it on the ground and it became a snake, and he ran from it.  Then the LORD said to him, "Reach out your hand and take it by the tail."  So Moses reached out and took hold of the snake and it turned back into a staff in his hand.  (From the NIV Bible, Exodus 4:2-4)"


so, i see nothing really unique about his miracles.

1. Yes Elisha raised the dead and Moses had is staff turned to a snake . . . nothing unique huh? Where are the "unique" miracles of mohammed?

2. Isnt is absurd that you would quote the bible, the same book you and mohammed claimed is corrupted, as examples of "miracles"? Where are the miracles IN THE QURAN? Surely allah must have included at least 2.

mdsocks:

hmmmm. and does that sounds logical to you?

you guys just keep confusing yourselves.

It sounds perfectly logical to me . . .

However you still refuse to answer my question . . . if mohammed laid the perfect foundation for islam and was the "greatest and last" prophet . . . why is allah sending Jesus/Issa on the last day?

@babs787,

babs787:

@pilgrim

Omo abi ipabe, your brother said:


I asked him to supply me the reason


Mumu, I asked you so give it to me from your bible.

Don't take a heart attack for your slow wittedness. I only want to reason with you, and if you're mentally handicapped, no worries.

Again, did the Qur'an or hadith show that any other person would del with the anti-Christ? If so, please share with us. If not, what was the purpose of your querying the point after you read it in the post you replied to? Or were you forcing yourself to just show that you are struggling to understand yourself?

babs787:

Do you mean bible? Stop deceiving yourself, are you afraid to touch your bible again? Havent you been lifting verses from there since; let me have the story from your bible.

Is that the style you use for avoding the challenge to go to the bible and bring out the answerrs? Hasve i ever waited to ask anyone before going to the Qur'an? Nobody ever claimed that the Bible is untouchable. We have seen how Muslims have made the point that the Qur'an is so sanctimonious that Muslims are ready to lynch a Christian teacher in Gombe for a so-called desecration of the book that ceases to be allah's woprd as soon as it is transklated into another language!

babs787:

But you have been shown that your bible is corrupt and can not be relied upon as the real message God gave to Moses and Jesus.

Please stop this LYING for Allah adventures. If the Bible was so corrupt, what was Muhammad doing in a corrupt book? Since it is the word of men, was the Qur'an LYINg to you to come seeking Muhammad in the Bible that you now call corrupt? Is that how Allah asked you to operate your deceit?

babs787:

It has done that and that is just the reason we have been able to give you detailed, unadulterated stories from the Quran as againt the bible that is having contradictions, missing verses etc

We know the Qur'an was edited by the third Caliph. We know that he ordered the other copies of the Qur'an to be burnt after his edited work was completed. We also know that some verses of the Qur'an were cancelled. We also know that all you can claim for the Qur'an are STORIES of Muhammad's denials. Anything new?

LMAO!!!!!!!

Did you even Bother to Read my post before you asked me that question?? @babs787,  Do you realize how silly your question is when over and over in my post I give you the answer in there as to how you can easily get that information to feed your mind?? @babs787

Notice that in no where in my post am I selling you the religion itself but asking you to READ. There is nothing like educating one's mind. This is the plight of many in the world today, we live in the age of information but still many do not Read and that I continually see is the problem, even in this case. Do not spew back to me what you have heard but pick up the book for yourself, put aside your bias and READ. READ!! READ!!! It is available in any language if English is a problem!!


HERE IT IS AGAIN,  PLEASE SPEND TIME To ACTUALLY READ IT AND SEE THAT THE ANSWER TO YOUR REQUEST IS GIVEN OVER AND OVER IN THERE

Dude,  I am sure all that makes sense in some wack ways to you ,  but I suggest that next time you ACTUALLY pick up a bible, you read it in PLAIN ENGLISH or better still PLAIN Yoruba as if you were reading a book and maybe, just maybe, you might come to learn how your post here makes absolutely no sense when put beside what is actually written down in the Bible.  I mentioned that ordinary historians who themselves are not even christians read the book and know the very reason why Jesus is the only one who can kill the ANTI-CHRIST.   You come back with babbles that make so sense outside of your mind?? You seriously need to go learn how to read and please actually read a BIBLE. Sure they come in many languages but I doubt you have actually read one from that babbling up there. Again I urge you to READ IT,  IT IS IN PLAIN ENGLISH and EXPLAINS WHY NO OTHER PERSON,  NO PROPHET, not even the KIDS could Get Rid of the Antichrist. IT IS IN PLAIN CLEAR LANGUAGE FOR ALL PERSONS TO READ!!!!! Read it as if you were reading a very good storybook and maybe then you would get over your fear and need to INSERT and TWIST It to fit what you want it to be instead.!!!! AAARRRGGHHH!!!

LMAO!!!!!

@davidylan,

Happy New Year in advance o jare. How bodi?

davidylan:

However you still refuse to answer my question . . . if mohammed laid the perfect foundation for islam and was the "greatest and last" prophet . . . why is allah sending Jesus/Issa on the last day?

Lol. . . Muslims have no answers, we have known this from time immemorial. They love to ask and recycle questions and hide their heads in the sand as if those queries have not been dealt with. Then they reharsh the same thing again because Naik Zakir and his errand boys have been too busy of late to provide materials to be plagiarized!

lol madam pilgrim.1 . . . happy new yr in advance

mdsocks is busy asking Zakir for answers . . . until then he will continue to pretend as if he never saw the questions.

mdsocks, you did not answer my question. This is what I asked:

how does one explain the anti-climatic future emergence of a purported arch-foe to Christ rather than the supposed greater personality and office of Muhammad? How come there is an anti-Christ, but no anti-Muhammad? What does Christ - though a 'mere' prophet - still represent that was not assumed and superceded by Muhammad's appearance, thereby warranting the rise of an arch-opponent to Christ and not to Muhammad?

, and to that you said this:

Nobody is claiming that any prophet is above the other.

All are equal and each has his own destined work on earth.

Now later you said this

he was the greatest in his works?

Was a prophet destined to cap all the works of the former prophets.

Both statements are contradictory. If Muhammed was the greatest in his works, as well as the seal of the prophets, then he had the 'greater' prophetic office - its that simple. No need playing an obfuscatory game of semantics here. That said, the questions I asked still stand. If Muhammad completed the works of all the other prophets including Christ, then what do we make of the future rise of a prime antagonist to challenge the 'incomplete' work of Christ? Why not Muhammad, Islam's seal of the prophets? Why challenge the incomplete work of a 'lesser' office (Christ) after the fact of a greater office in Muhammad which supposedly completes and supercedes Christ's? And for that matter, why not any of the other prophets such as Moses and David - if we hold to your preveiously stated equality of the prophets?

Alternatively, can you tell us what Christ represents - that Muhammed doesn't - that this spiritual villain is opposed to?

davidylan:

lol madam pilgrim.1 . . . happy new yr in advance

mdsocks is busy asking Zakir for answers . . . until then he will continue to pretend as if he never saw the questions.

Hehehehahahaha!!

longman83:

mdsocks, you did not answer my question.

Hmmm. . . na wah O!

So, the best thing that Islam does is ask questions. recycle plagiarized materials, and then when people ask Muslims questions, NO answers will be forthcoming?!?

Al-Harm-dudu-LIE!

Most excellent question from longman!

davidylan:

Most excellent question from longman!

I don tell you before to read the Qur'an chapter 5 v 82!!

pilgrim.1:

I don tell you before to read the Qur'an chapter 5 v 82!!

I read it, i cant fathom allah's continous shifting of the goal posts. He says Christians are friends in that verse but in Quran 5:51, he says NOT to take Jews and christians as friends . . . which do we take?

longman83:

mdsocks, you did not answer my question. This is what I asked:

, and to that you said this:
Now later you said this
Both statements are contradictory. If Muhammed was the greatest in his works, as well as the seal of the prophets, then he had the 'greater' prophetic office - its that simple. No need playing an obfuscatory game of semantics here. That said, the questions I asked still stand. If Muhammad completed the works of all the other prophets including Christ, then what do we make of the future rise of a prime antagonist to challenge the 'incomplete' work of Christ? Why not Muhammad, Islam's seal of the prophets? Why challenge the incomplete work of a 'lesser' office (Christ) after the fact of a greater office in Muhammad which supposedly completes and supercedes Christ's? And for that matter, why not any of the other prophets such as Moses and David - if we hold to your preveiously stated equality of the prophets?

Alternatively, can you tell us what Christ represents - that Muhammed doesn't - that this spiritual villain is opposed to?

My brother since you didn't quote a hadith,they can't say you quoted a fabricated hadith
Why allah allowed wrong hadiths made some for shittes and some for Sunnis beats me but let me give you the best Islamic answer there is.
This answer comes in handy when all else fails

are you ready?

here I go

allah nose   knows best

And the contradicting answers from the same individuals give me the hives.
Olabowole said there were no Islamic sects then on another thread he tells of sects in Islam.
Babs once said Christ was not crucified and in another thread,he was crucified but his body was carried away by his followers.

Mo is the finest man that ever lived,point out his pedophilic and womanising ways,they'll tell you he was just a man.

They say the Bible is corrupted,allah allowed his revealed words to be corrupted yet they find Mo in the Bible?

The day I read where a Muslim scholar said that Allah was in the Bible,referencing where Christ cried Eloi,Eloi Lama sabachtani and another said [b]Allel[/b]uia had allah in it,I concluded that these folks needed a reality TV show.

These people are as confused as a a bunch of blind flies in a public latrine

What shall we call that TV show since the name "Lost" has been taken

nwando:

and another said Allel[/b]uia had [b]allah in it,I concluded that these folks needed a reality TV show.

Hahahaha-hehehe!! This lady nwando, you no go kill me with laugh!!

Okay, I'm busy just now in my office but decided to take a small break and peep in here. Your summations have driven the drowsiness and made em alert for work just now!

Let us see how many other words there are that contain the word 'allah' or similar connotations (like 'alla') in them! These bunch of the "perpetually insulted" footsoldiers no go kill person with their comedy of finding 'allah' in everything on planet earth! So here are a few others:

~ ch[b]allah[/b] (also 'h[b]allah[/b]')
meaning: (Judaism) a loaf of white bread containing eggs
and leavened with yeast; often formed into braided loaves and
glazed with eggs before baking.

Any body wonders why Muslims (especially in Pakistan and Palestine) are forever hating the Jews? How can they have 'allah' in the loaf they bake?
- - - - - - - - - - - -

~ T[b]allah[/b]assee
That's supposed to be the capital of Florida, USA.

With a State as Florida where life is directly opposite to the dictates and taste of the Taliban, now you know why Muslims refer to USA as the big shaitan!
- - - - - - - - - - - -

~ W[b]allah[/b]
person employed in certain capacity or connected with
a certain thing or activity; -worker; -carrier.

~ Box-w[b]allah[/b]
itinerant peddler

No wonder the word 'wallah' is not so popular these days. Imagine a person not returning home after going out with a 'wallah' badge for a job description!
- - - - - - - - - - - -

And for the less obvious, there are also:

† w[b]alla[/b]roo - (large species of kangaroo)

† L[b]alla[/b]tion - (infant's talk, or speech similar to it) . . maybe that's why we no longer understand some of these people, or better still, we no longer understand the Qur'an as soon as it is translated into another language!


More available; but I need to get back to work quickly.

Cherio!

Might I add Wah[b]allah[/b]
as in beacoup de trouble

Both statements are contradictory. If Muhammed was the greatest in his works, as well as the seal of the prophets, then he had the 'greater' prophetic office - its that simple. No need playing an obfuscatory game of semantics here. That said, the questions I asked still stand. If Muhammad completed the works of all the other prophets including Christ, then what do we make of the future rise of a prime antagonist to challenge the 'incomplete' work of Christ? Why not Muhammad, Islam's seal of the prophets? Why challenge the incomplete work of a 'lesser' office (Christ) after the fact of a greater office in Muhammad which supposedly completes and supercedes Christ's? And for that matter, why not any of the other prophets such as Moses and David - if we hold to your preveiously stated equality of the prophets?

First of all, i had retired to bed when all these ramblings where going on.

Its not that i don't know what to say or that.

I cannot distrupt my sleeping hours cos of some simple issues you guys don't get over here.


What is contradictory,

Do you seem to understand english atall.

Reread what i wrote their.

In persona, they are equal but in their works they are very different.

Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of isreal but Prophet muhammad was ent to The whole of mankind and he had a greater task at hand because he had the hardest of jobs to do.

And Alhamdullilah, his performance was superb.

If you can't distinguish between the two then i advise you find anothr way to get that cos am not here to lecture on english.

So, the best thing that Islam does is ask questions. recycle plagiarized materials, and then when people ask Muslims questions, NO answers will be forthcoming?!?

Where is the plagiarizedf materilas?
Just because i wasn't online, what i had said was plagriarized? abi

Lets be for once sincere with ourselves.

Most excellent question from longman!

Whats excellenet in the question he asked?

Thats the dumbest question i have seen on nland in a while .

mdsocks is busy asking Zakir for answers . . . until then he will continue to pretend as if he never saw the questions.

Who's Zakir ?

and Why would i ask questions from him?

@mdsocks,

mdsocks:

First of all, i had retired to bed when all these ramblings where going on.

You retired too early - and that was because you were lost for words to coherently convey your persuasions. You often see 'ramblings' in other submissions that come from non-Muslims; but when presented with simple queries, you pretend to have 'retired'.

mdsocks:

Its not that i don't know what to say or that.

You haven't demonstrated that you know exactly what to say - neither heretofore, nor yet even now.

mdsocks:

I cannot distrupt my sleeping hours because of some simple issues you guys don't get over here.

No, you would rather not disrupt your sleeping hours (as if it is programmed like a robot); but you could afford to disrupt it at other times when your penchant for bloviates are on the high.

mdsocks:

What is contradictory,

Do you seem to understand english atall.

Goodness! When did you start understanding English, mdsocks? Please understand that even in Arabic, if you had made those two opposite statements, they would nonetheless have qualified as 'contradictory'. You cannot come and shakara anybody here by first stating that:

"Nobody is claiming that any prophet is above the other.
All are equal and each has his own destined work
on earth."

. . . and then you came back and hypocritically set a superlative badge on Muhammad by saying:

he was the greatest in his works?

What was the correlation between "all are EQUAL" and "he was the GREATEST"? After hypocritically declaring that "Nobody is claiming that any prophet is above the other", it didn't take you long to demonstrate that you in very FACT are the one arguing to make Muhammad "greater" than all them whom you termed "equal"!

mdsocks:

Reread what i wrote their.

We have re-read your bloviates and also left you a few enquiries to clarify your mischief! Further, I have just juxtaposed them neatly to outline the cacophony in yours!

mdsocks:

In persona, they are equal but in their works they are very different.

Rubbish. Persona or works, you still went on to state that Muhammad was "greater" (not "different". Did your Qur'an tell you that he was "greater", even after it declares that there should be no distinction between the prophets? Didn't Muhammad very clearly say that he was not better than Jonah (whether in works or persona)? You don start your wayo against the Qur'an again, abi?

mdsocks:

Jesus was sent to the lost sheep of isreal but Prophet muhammad was ent to The whole of mankind and he had a greater task at hand because he had the hardest of jobs to do.

This propaganda lies of limiting the salvation of Jesus Christ to only Israel was Muhammad's deviation at work - because you guys have refused to read the whole testimony in the NT.

God so loved THE WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son,
that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have
everlasting life. ~ [John 3:16]

And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in ALL THE WORLD
for a witness unto ALL NATIONS; and then shall the end come.
~ [Matthew 24:14]

Go ye therefore, and teach ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name
of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost ~ [Matthew 28:19]

And HE said unto them, Go ye into ALL THE WORLD, and preach
the gospel to EVERY CREATURE ~ [Mark 16:15]

And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying:
for we have heard HIM ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ,
the Saviour of THE WORLD ~ [John 4:42]

Besides all this, Muslims are required to believe in Jesus Christ - even though you guys claim that he was sent only to Israel!! If Jesus was not sent to all the world, how confused can you guys be to read the Qur'an all over the world and yet acknowledge that ALL OVER THE WORLD, they are to believe in Jesus Christ?

You guys only know how to talk from both sides of your mouth - make a statement and then controvert and confuse yourselves in one line at the same time!

@mdsocks,

mdsocks:

And Alhamdullilah, his performance was superb.

And Al-harm-dudu-LIE, for all that Muhammad confessed he was not better than even Jonah.

mdsocks:

If you can't distinguish between the two then i advise you find anothr way to get that because am not here to lecture on english.

We have distinguished between the two opposite bloviates from your hypocricy - and certainly, you can't keep up a discourse in simple English, since by default Muslims can no longer understand the language when their hypocrisy stares them full circle!

mdsocks:

Where is the plagiarizedf materilas?
Just because i wasn't online, what i had said was plagriarized? abi

My reference was generalized towards the default attitude of Muslims precisely as observed in my quote. You don't feel easy on it, talk to your copy-artists who are known to be involved in that trade!

mdsocks:

Lets be for once sincere with ourselves.

Yep - that's why I have decided to take your folks to a neat thread and bleach their dross until nothing is left for them to cover their hypocrisy anymore. Were they have LIED to the public through their yellow teeth that the Torah was LOST and that the Qur'an claims to have come to "correct" the Bible are two examples. More of them to be bleached as I have the time off my busy schedules.

mdsocks:

Whats excellenet in the question he asked?

Go figure. We already know that Muslims are struggling with simple English statements.

mdsocks:

Thats the dumbest question i have seen on nland in a while .

Another way of saying that you have no clues and simply found the question too perplexing for your grade.

mdsocks:

Who's Zakir ?

Hehehe. . . have you been so long on the moon bowing down to Al-harm-dudu-LIE that only you among all Muslims have no clues who the showman Zakir Naik is? Let's start with an intro - the showman Naik says "every Muslim should be a terrorist" (his exact words) - but he is more popular with making statements that more Muslims are finding so embarrassing to substantiate or authenticate!

mdsocks:

and Why would i ask questions from him?

Do not fret - after he has been bleached, Muslims are no longer interested in waving his bloviates in our faces any more! Only the rascals and scoundrels among your ummah haven't woken up yet and they still patronize him - until they also feel the heat and scurry under another 'al-harm-dudu-LIE!!'

@Kokojunkie:Yourvictory lap makes sense, only to you and the rest of Christianity. I do not have to reread the Bible. I read a version in high school, which is different from what the sets that came just mere 3 years after me had to read. My mother had English and Yoruba Bibles, in the house. Thank Allah, she reverted just few years ago, into Islam. The best event of my life, yet. I have spoken to many people, especially Igbos who are now Muslims. I didn't do anything, but Allah did everything. Its like the event of throwing a fist full of sand, by Muhammad in the direction of the Makkans, in the first fight, which the Muslims fought against the disbelievers of Makka. Its known as the Battle of Badr.

Badr is a well, so they named the fight after it. Mercy of this battle is that before the parties engaged themselves, it just so happened that Muhammad and his just over 330 ill equiped men gained the groud/position that included the well. When the makkans needed water, the Muslims allowed them. Just tell me is there any group that can do that? That did it before  and even since, including the last crisis and currently going on between peoples? If one had an advantage to over the other in terms of msuch aresource, it is employed to make the other weaker, so that easy victory could be archieved!

When Muhammad threw the sands, the Makkans who participated in this war, but later became muslims, told us that the grains went into their eyes and made their sight very poor. Instead of seeing straight, they began to see doubles and thriples! Allah says in the Qur'an, Muhammad, you did not through the sand, it was Allah's hand that throws! It simply means that God worked throw normal humqns, His elects to do the work, archieving glory, victory and a sign of support for the elects. Your case is a strange case indeed. The Yoruba you ask me to read, you do not read and you do not speak. I am not assuming, but going by what you said to me about three weeks ago.

A Theologian friend of mine, who is visiting his friend in Ohio, currently said to me that he as a prophet, and of course he heard me calling him a liar, immediately, will not come into Islam, not because he disagrees with it, but he can not leave his position of honor and the family tradition! Yet as he introduced me to another theologian, who is in London, immediately in just a very direct manner, God willing the revertion is just any moment. It is the heart my guy! Your effort to yell and and write hastily, will not help you. I disected your Bible you asked me to reread it, after I have read it for academic purposes for 5 years, lived with my mother all my young live, roomed with a baptist pastor in College and later married to a Christian woman for 7 years. What is in the Bible that I do not know?

Which version, which edition, which publication, which one truly is the Bible that can represent 'Bible?' Yet I have not factor in the Catholics versus general Protestants Bibles and of course, the other groups of what the Protestants and probably the catholics, since I have not heard it directly, will call Cultists! You on the other hand never in your life had any tangible contact with the English translation of the Qur'an. they now have the Igbo version, so there is no excuse for you. One of my questions to intelligent Christians and Jews is this; Why will you leave the remembrance of the slaughter of Isiac, by his father Ibrahim to the children of the wild man Ishmael? Is it because you have little faith in the story or just thaat you have no faith at all? Its always begging the question! Never can anyone answer me. The christian may just come up with their oh, Jesus hanging took care of that! Yet every year we see people hurting themselves all over the place, recreating the hanging scene. We see them not eating mean on a good friday, when every Friday is Good. It is also the day of the week I was born. My father was preparing for Jumu'h when I was born. Friday is a wonderful day and the Christians made it a sorrowful day! Isiac was never that son of sacrifice because his mother, the bossy wife, who by the Christians and Jewish story telling in the Torah, petition God to command the old man Ibrahim to send his first son with his young wife out into the cold desert of Arabia. Would sarah have stood idly for an attempt on the life of Isiac? hardly! So Kokojunkie, your ranting at me, is like the noise of Ohio river versus the swarling of the Ocean! i did not notice you and thats that.

Read your Bible and take your place on the way to hellfire. You will surely enterit and remain there for ever, along with people of Christendom, if you die in your ignorance. I am not one of you. InshaAllah my abode is Paradise! It will be by Mercy, not Justice. You will receive due Justice because you came in contact with gazillion Muslims, but you refuse to hear, because of arrogance!

You retired too early - and that was because you were lost for words to coherently convey your persuasions. You often see 'ramblings' in other submissions that come from non-Muslims; but when presented with simple queries, you pretend to have 'retired'.

No need arguing with you since you can't decide for me

You can check all my post and see anyone that exceeds 9:30 pm.

What was the correlation between "all are EQUAL" and "he was the GREATEST"? After hypocritically declaring that "Nobody is claiming that any prophet is above the other", it didn't take you long to demonstrate that you in very FACT are the one arguing to make Muhammad "greater" than all them whom you termed "equal"!

You just seem to close your eyes and behave as if you don't get it.

Continue walloping in ignorance.

@olabowale,

olabowale:

@Kokojunkie:Yourvictory lap makes sense, only to you and the rest of Christianity. I do not have to reread the Bible. I read a version in high school, which is different from what the sets that came just mere 3 years after me had to read.

There are also VERSIONS of the Qur'an that have said entirely different things from others - are you aware? Why do you Muslims pick your brains apart by referring to the versions of the Bible (which are more or less translation work by various scholars) and yet hide your faces in the Arabian sands when people also point out the various issues in the VERSIONS of the Qur'an?

olabowale:

A Theologian friend of mine, who is visiting his friend in Ohio, currently said to me that he as a prophet, and of course he heard me calling him a liar, immediately, will not come into Islam, not because he disagrees with it, but he can not leave his position of honor and the family tradition! Yet as he introduced me to another theologian, who is in London, immediately in just a very direct manner, God willing the revertion is just any moment. It is the heart my guy! Your effort to yell and and write hastily, will not help you. I disected your Bible you asked me to reread it, after I have read it for academic purposes for 5 years, lived with my mother all my young live, roomed with a baptist pastor in College and later married to a Christian woman for 7 years. What is in the Bible that I do not know?

You dissected the Bible, read it for 5 years - for academic purposes - and then claim there's nothing in the Bible that you do not know!

Great - I have been waiting all this time for your simple answer to my queries as to WHEN the revelations of the OT prophets changed after I posted a sample of their verses showing that they knew God as FATHER, while Muhammad DENIED that same revelation and claimed that he believed in all the prophets!

WHY do you come openly to a public forum and LIE so much like this, olabowale? If you were playing with your dolls, we would have stood amused and let you be. But when you come and try to make these silly boasts and yet demonstrate how empty you really are, you begin to cry your broohaha that peopl are not respecting you as an elder!

olabowale:

Which version, which edition, which publication, which one truly is the Bible that can represent 'Bible?'

Which version - which edition - which publication - which one truly is the QUR'An that can represent the Qur'an?!?

olabowale:

Yet I have not factor in the Catholics versus general Protestants Bibles and of course, the other groups of what the Protestants and probably the catholics, since I have not heard it directly, will call Cultists!

Stop crying the same song over and over again. It has become stale out of overuse! We have dealt with this issue of Catholic vs Protestant misgivings so many times - and yet, you guys did not last a week in the Sufi thread where I intended to bleach Muslims until your white robes reveal your very skins!  Smart fellows - some of you knew where I was heading, and you quickly duked out of the thread. . . a few others came with stories of one Imam saying what he does not understand (she also ducked after contradicting you).

Olabowale, you get problem. . . and I am still waiting for the names of the 24,000 prophets you offered earlier O!

@mdsocks,

mdsocks:

No need arguing with you since you can't decide for me

I didn't come here to decide for you - unless you deliberately want us to believe that you are one of those who must be led by the nose. There are issues I pointed out about the cacophony in your previous assumptions - deal with them in as relaxed a manner as you possibly can without feeling the need of wondering whether or not we are arguing.

mdsocks:

You can check all my post and see anyone that exceeds 9:30 pm.

Again, I wonder if I am to take your timing as a programmed robotic adventure.

mdsocks:

You just seem to close your eyes and behave as if you don't get it.

Lol. . . please open your eyes and deal with the cacophony in what I pointed out from yours and stop whinging like a child.

mdsocks:

Continue walloping in ignorance.

Is that the best you can do after coming on board to pretend that you had anything to say?

Kai. . . we need to celebrate your al-harm-dudu-LIE one of these days!

God so loved THE WORLD that He gave His only begotten Son,
  that whosoever believeth in Him should not perish, but have
  everlasting life.  ~ [John 3:16]

  And this gospel of the kingdom shall be preached in ALL THE WORLD
  for a witness unto ALL NATIONS; and then shall the end come.
  ~ [Matthew 24:14]

  Go ye therefore, and teach ALL NATIONS, baptizing them in the name
  of the Father, and of the Son, and of the Holy Ghost ~ [Matthew 28:19]

  And HE said unto them, Go ye into ALL THE WORLD, and preach
  the gospel to EVERY CREATURE ~ [Mark 16:15]

  And said unto the woman, Now we believe, not because of thy saying:
  for we have heard HIM ourselves, and know that this is indeed the Christ,
  the Saviour of THE WORLD  ~ [John 4:42]

and what did he said

"Do not go among the Gentiles, or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel" (Matthew 10:5-6).

In another place we find Jesus said to a woman of Canaan, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matthew 15:24).


Isn't these contradictions?

You can do well to correct this.

Only a fool will take Pilgrim.1 seriously. Her one liners and other gimmicks are a means of release of her frustrations, if any at all, or certainly, a means of supressing her core insincerity of the the soul! How can a person who has a good soul enters Islam and later leaves it? It is impossible! Only bad soul does leave Islam! The core tenet of Islam is very direct: There is no God but The One True God. Worship This God alone and do not erect anything else. This alone is enough. Whoever continues to do otherwise, is being seduced by the Evil one. Right now the Evil one is whispering into both ears of Pilgrim.1. She hears nothing else. Her heart is harder than stone. There is no tenderness in it. Leave her alone. Do not grieve on account of her action. But people have done worse and they come back, if God wills success for them. I hope as she gets older reality will hit her. However I pity those who are older and  clearly on the wrong path. Or those who died as non Muslims. I have couples of those in my bloodlines. I can not do anything for them. Their books have been written. The pages are already filled with their deeds. The greatest evil deed was their individual association of something with God Almighty.

I read Al Qur'an, more than just One style of writing. You Pilgrim.1, do not know anything about Qur'an. So stop pretending about it. This is a matter of Spiritual knowledge. It is way beyond your level. We know that the father of Moses is Imran, the same father of Haruun. You never answered my question why Adam, Noah, Ibrahim did not call their Creator father, too. Are they not Bible Prophets? Please its just 5.24 here. i need to get to my salah. I will not waste my time with you. I need to ckean up, properly. That is not something you are required to do anyway. So you will see me soon, InshaAllah. Get ready for a face to face discussion.

mdsocks:


and what did he said

"Do not go among the Gentiles, or enter any town of the Samaritans. Go rather to the lost sheep of Israel" (Matthew 10:5-6).

In another place we find Jesus said to a woman of Canaan, "I was sent only to the lost sheep of the house of Israel" (Matthew 15:24).


Isn't these contradictions?

You can do well to correct this.

@mdsocks,

Jesus did not go about aimlessly. If you had even the basic understanding of biblical prophecies, you will find that the coming of Jesus Christ was predicted to be systematically laid out:

(a) first to the Jews

(b) then to the Gentiles

He came not to contradict that well-stated outline in the prophecies of the OT prophets; and that is why He did not go to the gentiles initially. He Himself clearly said that salvation is of the Jews (John 4:22). . . and even so, the prophecies of the OT also declared that He would be found among the Gentiles:

Matthew 4:14-16
That it might be fulfilled which was spoken by Esaias the prophet,
saying, The land of Zabulon, and the land of Nephthalim, by the
way of the sea, beyond Jordan, Galilee of the Gentiles;  The people
which sat in darkness saw great light; and to them which sat in the
region and shadow of death light is sprung up.

When you read the Bible, please be careful to see the full picture instead of the usual Islamic thing of selective reading.

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Meanwhile, was that the latest in your ducking the real issue raised earlier as to the fact that you hypocritically ducked the point of your contradiction in making all prophets "equal" and then setting Muhammad as "the greatest"?