Inked_Nerd:


How can he really love me if the dude is wrecking his brain over the fact that I don't wanna take his last name? I wouldn't give up on love but I still wouldn't wanna change my name. If he wants to walk away from me because of that, then that's on him. I'll go down the hyphenated route if his name is hyphenated as well.

OK that's a worthy compromise.
It's no biggie for me anywayz was just trying to find out why u r so adamant about keeping yours.
U been good though? been a while

work is kinda hectic
one of me staff is been on long term sickie so more work for moi.
you shouldn't be a stranger still though. No excuse madam

Inked_Nerd:


Ummm, Sagamite sweetie I never said it was 2010
   

Hey, babes, maybe you did not say it but your utterances come across as someone of that genre.

Let me give you an insight of the personality profile you have oozed to me since I noticed you when you refused to hate me for my own benefits :

You come across as a young African-originated girl raised in the West and who has strongly assimilated into the Western culture. The only thing African about you is your heritage and colour, not your outlook and personality.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that is bad or inferior.

I see you as someone in the sphere of creativity and the arts. This normally manifest as personalities with uber-liberal outlook and in desire of changes to the inhibitives at all cost without deep analytical consideration for wider consequences. Someone who wants to express their freedom as much as they can and this is one of the cores of happiness in their existence. The ability to live life uninhibited and unbridled.

Living where you live, you will not run out of enough fuel to pump and reinforce such outlook.

As I said, I would not say it is bad or inferior to the African way, but all ways have their pros and cons. And my judgement (maybe wrong) is that you are so impressed and enmeshed in the Western outlook with a lot of pride and defiance and with very limited rebuttal of the cons. I personally take pros from each side I am exposed to (West and African). On some things, I am very African and don't mind being called a Bushman, and on others, I am so Western they would say I have lost my roots.

The thing I particularly spot about you, unlike most other NL chics I have seen with such enmeshment, is that I don't think you are likely to change when you grow older. Most are just fronting and would change when they get a few knocks in life but you . . . . ?  

Let me tell you here and now, Feminism has failed!!! You have to keep your ear to the ground and sense the atmosphere, there is a rising rubble of admittance even amongst women that it is not realistic, desirable and/or sustainable. That said, do not for a second think I am one to condemn the awareness, change and benefits feminism has achieved in bringing equality, independence and appreciation for women. I applaud it without reservation but the ideology that some feminists want to bring which refuses to acknowledge the difference between men and women I laugh at. The plenary implementation of that ideology would not make most women feel fulfilled or happy because of the rudimentary and fundamental difference in women's biological make-up and that is increasingly being acknowledged if one follows the intellectual debates in the news. My perception of you is you are one of the proponents of the plenary implementation.

I fear (maybe I need not worry though) that you are way too enmeshed in your line of liberal and extreme feminism which will lead to you having only a limited number of men that you can successfully be with. You will really have to select carefully as most men might not appreciate what you currently offer, and which I suspect will be your main offer in the future, even though they might tell you they do or don't care or they like it.

I know you might say "I don't need a man, I am happy being single" and I believe you, you are young and still in your prime. BUT as you get older, that statement will be less true. But, hey, maybe you are also right and telling the truth, but that will make you one of the very rare exceptions of women (I admit some do exist) because biologically, women do desire and seek meaningful companionship. That is their general biological make-up. I say general because there is usually an exception to a general rule, maybe you are that.

That said, considering the line of argument of excoba101 so far, you must be retarded as a woman if you want to be with him. I am in no way advocating you switch to the other extreme.

Nope, I wont take it.
If she still wants her fathers name then she should go and marry her father or she shouldn't bother getting married in the first place.

There are exceptions though which has been mentioned already.

Hey, babes, maybe you did not say it but your utterances come across as someone of that genre.

Let me give you an insight of the personality profile you have oozed to me since I noticed you when you refused to hate me for my own benefits Angry :

You come across as a young African-originated girl raised in the West and who has strongly assimilated into the Western culture. The only thing African about you is your heritage and colour, not your outlook and personality.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that is bad or inferior.

I see you as someone in the sphere of creativity and the arts. This normally manifest as personalities with uber-liberal outlook and in desire of changes to the inhibitives at all cost without deep analytical consideration for wider consequences. Someone who wants to express their freedom as much as they can and this is one of the cores of happiness in their existence. The ability to live life uninhibited and unbridled.

Living where you live, you will not run out of enough fuel to pump and reinforce such outlook.

As I said, I would not say it is bad or inferior to the African way, but all ways have their pros and cons. And my judgement (maybe wrong) is that you are so impressed and enmeshed in the Western outlook with a lot of pride and defiance and with very limited rebuttal of the cons. I personally take pros from each side I am exposed to (West and African). On some things, I am very African and don't mind being called a Bushman, and on others, I am so Western they would say I have lost my roots.

The thing I particularly spot about you, unlike most other NL chics I have seen with such enmeshment, is that I don't think you are likely to change when you grow older. Most are just fronting and would change when they get a few knocks in life but you . . . . ?  Undecided

Let me tell you here and now, Feminism has failed!!! You have to keep your ear to the ground and sense the atmosphere, there is a rising rubble of admittance even amongst women that it is not realistic, desirable and/or sustainable. That said, do not for a second think I am one to condemn the awareness, change and benefits feminism has achieved in bringing equality, independence and appreciation for women. I applaud it without reservation but the ideology that some feminists want to bring which refuses to acknowledge the difference between men and women I laugh at. The plenary implementation of that ideology would not make most women feel fulfilled or happy because of the rudimentary and fundamental difference in women's biological make-up and that is increasingly being acknowledged if one follows the intellectual debates in the news. My perception of you is you are one of the proponents of the plenary implementation.

I fear (maybe I need not worry though) that you are way too enmeshed in your line of liberal and extreme feminism which will lead to you having only a limited number of men that you can successfully be with. You will really have to select carefully as most men might not appreciate what you currently offer, and which I suspect will be your main offer in the future, even though they might tell you they do or don't care or they like it.

I know you might say "I don't need a man, I am happy being single" and I believe you, you are young and still in your prime. BUT as you get older, that statement will be less true. But, hey, maybe you are also right and telling the truth, but that will make you one of the very rare exceptions of women (I admit some do exist) because biologically, women do desire and seek meaningful companionship. That is their general biological make-up. I say general because there is usually an exception to a general rule, maybe you are that.

That said, considering the line of argument of excoba101 so far, you must be retarded as a woman if you want to be with him. I am in no way advocating you switch to the other extreme.

LOL*** The last one was a bit funny. She is just over fed with craps of the feminist hoax. She will surely with time change or bear the consequences.

90% of things we see on the medias read and learn these day are perverted ways of the original concept. Most time when we discuss these kinda issue we readily refare to bible or quran, unfortunately we are not all religions people on earth, we also have free thinkers. It will only take a realistic conviction to make a freethinker to change his/her mind or God Himself.

I am a realist (60%) and also religious (40%). Since a realist like me isn't convinced with the accounts and examples giving in the oldest living record of human existence like the bible then i had to turn to nature for more consulltation.

I looked at animals and plants- The male are in control. Intestine.
I looked at plants- the male stronger- interesting again.
Now i know why the male rules and dominate (i know lady wouldn't like that word, and that is why i used it) over female.

Did i hear someone say, "but we are not animals"? -
Where did you get the ideal from that we are not animals? the bible?
Lets say we are not animal; whats makes us so? the answer is simple. It is because we are organized and have higher reasoning than animals. The very moments we alter those rules and regulation and start having freedom to do anything the way we want them, then we are not in that light better than animals.


These days we live and die for lies.
SCAM! Feminism is a fraud.
For Inked_Nerd. Read more here and see if there is difference between African style and western style concerning leadership;    http://www.angryharry.com/esEqualityNotAchievable.htm   (this is the way it is and can not be chanced just the way we can not bring back the dead or see God)

Lmaaaaaaaaoooooooooooo, ok o. Keep using religion as a means of justification for your beliefs. If that makes you feel good as a man then so be it. If feminism is a fraud then I suppose you're sheepish mentality is utter stupidity.

Could you please make a statement without directly insulting someone? Also can you read to understand? If yes, then read my statement again and you will understand that i said i do not cling to explain things with a religious mentality since i am not a religious man but a freethinker, probably like you are too.

When someone is angry he/she don't easily notice their faults until later or much later.
I think you are angry and hate men(now that is what feminism has achieved after years of reforms in the newly born kids). Stop hating men and moderate your feminist outlooks. It isn't all real and achievable. otherwise it will get you crazy and you will do wonders. Cheers

I have asked guys this question before and a lot of them have no problem with it. Just because you have a problem with it doesn't mean that every other man will. Just as my sentiments aren't a representation of all women, yours aren't a representation of all men.

Those guys are Bi curious Males (or have a tendency to be someday)and they are weak and confused too(as a result of many controversies and argument they they learn growing up- also might be having fantasies about women being so strong).

Your sentiments is that of the feminists.

My dear, you should be the last person to be telling someone not to use insults on someone. Where you not the same person who referred to me as a "fallen woman" earlier? Was that not an insult? You telling me that I am brainwashed, was that not an insult? Don't sit here and tell me I've insulted you when you yourself has done the same thing. Because I speak my mind on my views on certain double standard issues within our society doesn't mean that I hate men. If you knew anything about me or have read my posts in other threads you'd notice that although I'm not afraid to call men out on things, I certainly don't possess any hatred towards men. Its not just men that I call out on double standard practices, so its not men that I hate, it. What I hate is the double standards that exist and the people who use that as a justification of their need to assert themselves and existence. Because I'm challenging you and your beliefs doesn't mean that I hate you. If you think or feel that I hate you or any other man because I refuse to keep quiet then good for you.

You are taking it personal. I didn't insulted you directly. I said fallen women (general) and it wasn't directed at you. And also saying you are brain washed is a way of explaining the stand you have taken in the wrong part of existence.

It is okay if you call men out on things that are wrong. It has always been that way since humans evolved, in fact men tend to listen to woman's advised and vise-vase but about certain things. We all have our limits in the scheme of things as male and female, it shouldn't become male vs female. Male for higher responsibilities.

Behind every great man they say is a woman(what happened to women enjoying these praises) . Should it scraped or reversed? Just kidding
I hereby Unsubscribe to further on this board

The idea of supporting your spouse or partner isn't wrong but why should I stand behind him? Why can't I stand beside him?

Are you too feminist to see that the parable was stated in figurative slang? Last and least here, besides the fact that a man and a woman can never be equal in all sense is another fact that humans in general can never be equal. There is a divine force behind it.

There are somethings that can never be changed, but the fight to make a change of these things make life interesting(in a way) which include the feminist ideology/theory. The list is endless. We still have other things to fight about. Why cant man marry man and why can't women marry women. Why do women need men and vise vasa. Why do we die? I think you know the rest of them. Anything that has no natural back ground will certainly not stand

You complained about why having rights without being able to practice it. If you can answer this question then it will be easy to really achieve your feminist dream. The these feminist leaders are often politically minded it will be ok if i use a political panorama to make examples and questioning.

Q. why in the world of one or some countries must be more powerful than the other (ruler-ship) not changing (which is symbolic)
Q. why is it that when countries are giving freedom, they are yet wallowing in the declivity of their a slave's mentality and the freedom given isn't real.

Sagamite:

Hey, babes, maybe you did not say it but your utterances come across as someone of that genre.

Let me give you an insight of the personality profile you have oozed to me since I noticed you when you refused to hate me for my own benefits :

You come across as a young African-originated girl raised in the West and who has strongly assimilated into the Western culture. The only thing African about you is your heritage and colour, not your outlook and personality.

Don't get me wrong, I am not saying that is bad or inferior.

I see you as someone in the sphere of creativity and the arts. This normally manifest as personalities with uber-liberal outlook and in desire of changes to the inhibitives at all cost without deep analytical consideration for wider consequences. Someone who wants to express their freedom as much as they can and this is one of the cores of happiness in their existence. The ability to live life uninhibited and unbridled.

Living where you live, you will not run out of enough fuel to pump and reinforce such outlook.

As I said, I would not say it is bad or inferior to the African way, but all ways have their pros and cons. And my judgement (maybe wrong) is that you are so impressed and enmeshed in the Western outlook with a lot of pride and defiance and with very limited rebuttal of the cons. I personally take pros from each side I am exposed to (West and African). On some things, I am very African and don't mind being called a Bushman, and on others, I am so Western they would say I have lost my roots.

The thing I particularly spot about you, unlike most other NL chics I have seen with such enmeshment, is that I don't think you are likely to change when you grow older. Most are just fronting and would change when they get a few knocks in life but you . . . . ? 

Let me tell you here and now, Feminism has failed!!! You have to keep your ear to the ground and sense the atmosphere, there is a rising rubble of admittance even amongst women that it is not realistic, desirable and/or sustainable. That said, do not for a second think I am one to condemn the awareness, change and benefits feminism has achieved in bringing equality, independence and appreciation for women. I applaud it without reservation but the ideology that some feminists want to bring which refuses to acknowledge the difference between men and women I laugh at. The plenary implementation of that ideology would not make most women feel fulfilled or happy because of the rudimentary and fundamental difference in women's biological make-up and that is increasingly being acknowledged if one follows the intellectual debates in the news. My perception of you is you are one of the proponents of the plenary implementation.

I fear (maybe I need not worry though) that you are way too enmeshed in your line of liberal and extreme feminism which will lead to you having only a limited number of men that you can successfully be with. You will really have to select carefully as most men might not appreciate what you currently offer, and which I suspect will be your main offer in the future, even though they might tell you they do or don't care or they like it.

I know you might say "I don't need a man, I am happy being single" and I believe you, you are young and still in your prime. BUT as you get older, that statement will be less true. But, hey, maybe you are also right and telling the truth, but that will make you one of the very rare exceptions of women (I admit some do exist) because biologically, women do desire and seek meaningful companionship. That is their general biological make-up. I say general because there is usually an exception to a general rule, maybe you are that.

That said, considering the line of argument of excoba101 so far, you must be retarded as a woman if you want to be with him. I am in no way advocating you switch to the other extreme.

^^^hhhhmmmmmm!!! Patronizing, condescending and cocky is all I have to say about this write up. So @Saga it turns out only you are entiitled to pick and choose what makes sense about your africanism and the likes of @Inkerd_Nerd dont have that priviledge lest they run into a risk of being called ferminists. Whatever happened to individualism??. I thought this was the call to evolution.

Please allow me to ask you this question "WHATS LOVE GOT TO DO WITH IT?" especially if bearing a man's surname in 2010 is apparently connected to all the things his money can buy me? that house he can buy for his family, the bills he should pay and heavy objects that needs to be carried. This is worrysome. So ultimately it boils down to the name??. So this man wants me to carry his name to prove to him how much I love him??, didnt I do that already when I agreed to marry him, I mean as if that wasnt bad enough.

I know a lot of women today who signed on the dotted line just to carry the name and today they have horror stories to tell, let alone those who chose to take the secret with them six feet under, and I am sure there's plenty who'll tell beautiful stories. Now with that being said please allow me to ask "WHAT'S THE NAME GOT TO DO WITH IT?"

I think the trick is in being at peace with oneself, this is when you learn that the world and no man/woman owes you nada. My advice stop doing things for women and see how rewarding that is, it works very well against resentments. The culture/tradition is LOVE, try it and discover how truely liberating that is.

@Inkerd_Nerd you are no more nor less of a woman because of your age or the artsy fartsy woman in you. and yes you will find the man who just couldnt be bloody bothered what surname you carry around. Question is are you willing to be a partner that is going to be there through thick and thin. The thing is, this is where much about the surname situation changes. Most women really wish they never changed the name when times got thin and ugly.

I am all for ABSOLUTE LOVE it would've been great if it was just about that, no contracts and surnames attached period. Now I dare you to label that ferminism, which I am by the way. But I am sorry to dissapoint you and say you will not find my ferminist thought in my surname nor yours just in case you were rushing to search there.

excoba101:

Are you too feminist to see that the parable was stated in figurative slang? Last and least here, besides the fact that a man and a woman can never be equal in all sense is another fact that humans in general can never be equal. There is a divine force behind it.

There are somethings that can never be changed, but the fight to make a change of these things make life interesting(in a way) which include the feminist ideology/theory. The list is endless. We still have other things to fight about. Why cant man marry man and why can't women marry women. Why do women need men and vise vasa. Why do we die? I think you know the rest of them. Anything that has no natural back ground will certainly not stand

You complained about why having rights without being able to practice it. If you can answer this question then it will be easy to really achieve your feminist dream. The these feminist leaders are often politically minded it will be ok if i use a political panorama to make examples and questioning.

Q. why in the world of one or some countries must be more powerful than the other (ruler-ship) not changing (which is symbolic)
Q. why is it that when countries are giving freedom, they are yet wallowing in the declivity of their a slave's mentality and the freedom given isn't real.

Dude what are you on about

Dude what are you on about

Lady will you make you question clear?

However, it is only allowed to keep your last name on professional grounds. But marriage? Sorry No way. It's the tradition and there is no changing it.
Look well before you marry. I mean should this be a matter for discussion? What has taken a man's name got to do you women mistake in choosing partner?

The question is for you SA LADY

excoba101:

Lady will you make you question clear?

If you were to sum up what you just said in one sentence, what would it say? Make your next sentence your conclusion if you dont mind.

@SA Queen

LOL. How could you assume like that? Ok i get your question now. Sorry

excoba101:

However, it is only allowed to keep your last name on professional grounds. But marriage? Sorry No way. It's the tradition and there is no changing it.
Look well before you marry. I mean should this be a matter for discussion? What has taken a man's name got to do you women mistake in choosing partner?

The question is for you SA LADY

Sadly just when I thought the age thing went with my forefathers only to discover it still lives among us. It turns out that no one really cares that some people will find a good partner without a long and hard search, and some may have found and lost along the way. Unless if almost really counts. By the looks of things its best if I can grab whatever it is I can find, dont make noise about my opinion on the surname just do as tradition says (change the surname if you know what's good for you) because I might loose out on a great marital opportunity. Lets be honest with ourselves that every man/women marry because somehow they believe they've found a good thing, and how many out there would tell you about how it all changed?

Unfortunately again I am gobsmacked at how much men have actually made peace with the fact that women only love yhem for what they can provide, its a very sad state of self perception. My question back at you "What does being a good partner have to do with the surname"?

NOTHING.


QUESTION
ARE YOUR ARGUMENT BASED ON EQUALITY TERMS?

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most of the leading feminists are severely dysfunctional 'women'
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Firstly, most of the leading feminists are severely dysfunctional 'women' and/or they are a particular type of lesbian. (And, in both cases, it is quite clear from their past histories and their rhetoric that they positively hate men - in some cases, perhaps with some justification as a result of experience).

(Please note that I feel no antipathy whatsoever towards lesbians or lesbianism. Au contraire; my personal view is that people being intimate with each other is a good thing and, further, that it is nobody's business what they choose to do.)

Secondly, there are now, literally, billions of dollars, numerous empires, and millions of jobs that depend on the public swallowing the idea that women need to be defended from men in some way or other. And the feminists (together with many others) can only maintain these luxuries by continually stirring up hatred toward - and a fear of - men.

Finally, it is worth emphasising that you can never have 'equality' between two things that are not equal by definition. And so, for example, you can have equality among 'people', but not between 'men' and 'women'.

And there is no scenario that anyone could come up with that would bring about 'equality' between 'men' and 'women' unless no distinction between 'men' and 'women' was actually being made.

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most feminists and women's groups want there to be a permanent gender war. Without such a war, they would evaporate into thin air
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Indeed, most feminists and women's groups want there to be a permanent gender war. Without such a war, they would evaporate into thin air, because there would be no reason for them to exist. Most feminists and women's groups need to maintain an inter-gender war in order to generate their support and their funding, and also to maintain their positions of power as well as their jobs. And the more power, resources and jobs that they wish to cling on to, the greater must be the inter-gender war that they need to stimulate.

[b]Indeed, anything that undermines - or makes more insecure - the special nature of close heterosexual relationships is something that feminists will always support and encourage.

Whether it is supporting same-sex marriage (to undermine traditional marriage) getting women out to work, paying women welfare to encourage relationship break-ups, forever urging women to feel abused in some way and to prosecute their partners, unjustly high alimony payouts, demonising or mocking men, encouraging lesbianism, the aim is the same. Make it as difficult as possible for men and women to have secure relationships. Disempower men within those relationships as much as possible, and ensure that when relationships break up then the men lose out the most.

In conclusion; feminism is not about equality. It is about stirring up hatred towards men; no matter what the true situation is.

And because 'equality' can never be achieved, this stirring up of hatred towards men seems set to go on and on and on; unless, that is, feminists are utterly discredited and exposed for who they really are.

And if you take the time to look very closely at what underpins, energises and unites feminists, you will find that there is only one emotion lying at the core of their beliefs -  a very strong desire to stir up hatred towards men.[/b]

Indeed, you do not even need to read the various outpourings of the feminists in order to figure out what their views will be on any given matter. Just ask yourself this simple question: "What would my views be if I hated men and if I wanted to stir up this hatred in others?" And your answer to this question will almost certainly be consistent with what most feminists are actually saying.

Finally, take a look at this short piece to see what 'benefits' feminism brings to those societies that advocate it; The Benefits of Feminism. It won't take much intelligence to make the connections for yourselves.

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Where is the Equality In This?
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In a nutshell: Feminists have gained their power by following a very simple strategy.

Claim (often falsely) to have found some difference between men and women, and then make a fuss about it.

If men get paid more, claim that women are being discriminated against when it comes to earnings.

If women get paid more, claim that women are being cheated because they have to pay more in taxes.

If men get killed more, claim that the real victims are the women who survived.

If women get killed more, claim that the dead women are the real victims.

Keep pumping up the hysteria and the anger- for years on end - over any difference between men and women that can be found simply in order to inflame hatred towards men and, hence, to attract the support of millions of women.

Lie, exaggerate, twist and deceive as much as possible in order to maximise all the effects.

Then sit back and enjoy all the power and the funding that derives from all this - as well as from all the numerous extra goodies that arise from all the ensuing disharmony between men and women that is being caused.

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And, of course, the feminists and their poodle boys will never stop doing these things

Why should they stop?

It is win-win all the way for them.

And, of course, because 'equality' is an impossible goal, this will go on forever into the future.

Unless they are stopped.

Finally, ,

Western men die some five years earlier than women. They suffer more from nearly every medical disease and ailment that there is. And yet, far more money is spent by governments on women's health than on men's health.

Men are also nowadays educationally disadvantaged significantly compared to women; with the curriculum, the teaching methods and the resources being designed to cater far more for women and girls than for men and boys.

Men make up 80% of the homeless. There are more of them in social service care-homes as boys. They are many times more likely to be wrongfully arrested, wrongfully imprisoned, mugged, assaulted or murdered. They are 5 times more likely to lose their children when families break down, 4 times more likely to lose their homes, 4 times more likely to commit suicide, 20 times more likely to be killed or injured at work, 20 times more likely to be imprisoned, and, probably, more than 100 times more likely to be demeaned, denigrated and ridiculed by the mainstream media.

Men also pay much more in taxes than women but receive far less in benefits from the government.

In other words, when compared to women, men are significantly disadvantaged when it comes to their health, their lifespans, their homes, their children, their education, their families, the tax burden, the law, the benefit system, and even when it comes to their own personal safety.

They are nowadays also being heavily discriminated against in the work place.

How is it possible, therefore, that women are being 'oppressed' more than men?

In what areas?

Where?

excoba101:

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most feminists and women's groups want there to be a permanent gender war. Without such a war, they would evaporate into thin air
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Indeed, most feminists and women's groups want there to be a permanent gender war. Without such a war, they would evaporate into thin air, because there would be no reason for them to exist. Most feminists and women's groups need to maintain an inter-gender war in order to generate their support and their funding, and also to maintain their positions of power as well as their jobs. And the more power, resources and jobs that they wish to cling on to, the greater must be the inter-gender war that they need to stimulate.

Indeed, anything that undermines - or makes more insecure - the special nature of close heterosexual relationships is something that feminists will always support and encourage.

Whether it is supporting same-sex marriage (to undermine traditional marriage) getting women out to work, paying women welfare to encourage relationship break-ups, forever urging women to feel abused in some way and to prosecute their partners, unjustly high alimony payouts, demonising or mocking men, encouraging lesbianism, the aim is the same. Make it as difficult as possible for men and women to have secure relationships. Disempower men within those relationships as much as possible, and ensure that when relationships break up then the men lose out the most.

In conclusion; feminism is not about equality. It is about stirring up hatred towards men; no matter what the true situation is.

And because 'equality' can never be achieved, this stirring up of hatred towards men seems set to go on and on and on; unless, that is, feminists are utterly discredited and exposed for who they really are.

And if you take the time to look very closely at what underpins, energises and unites feminists, you will find that there is only one emotion lying at the core of their beliefs - a very strong desire to stir up hatred towards men.

Indeed, you do not even need to read the various outpourings of the feminists in order to figure out what their views will be on any given matter. Just ask yourself this simple question: "What would my views be if I hated men and if I wanted to stir up this hatred in others?" And your answer to this question will almost certainly be consistent with what most feminists are actually saying.

Finally, take a look at this short piece to see what 'benefits' feminism brings to those societies that advocate it; The Benefits of Feminism. It won't take much intelligence to make the connections for yourselves.

Dont read me wrong, my argument is not so much about equality which I wouldnt have a problem representing either. My argument is more on individuality. May I ask why is it that its so important to you that you are superior than the other gender, and that the world should recognise that?

Seriously I have no problem giving a man that status, simply because of how I see myself, I have no desire to have an upper hand over a man nor another human being, however its important that you know how to carry it day after day and this where most men fail and then want to hide behind issues of tradition.

Please allow me to add this, that whether a woman wants to bed another women that should be left up to the individual. I really dont care in fact i think its good for a women to get together for once and do their own thing without any mans interference

To me,marriage changes the status quo. If a guy takes forever to propose to his gf, anxiety would set in. She'd be wondering if the guy is afraid of commitment or he doesn't love her deep down.

So, if he eventually propose and you get married,why hold back the name if you are not Eva Longoria or Angelia Jolie?

I think girls should be happy to proclaim they are now mrs . . . . ,people will even ask the famous question, you are now mrs what? You now tell them I'm still ms my maiden name.
There's really no point in getting married cos you could as well have babies bearing their father's name while you spare us(guests) our time to witness the irrelevant nuptials.

When a girl is married,her contemporaries accord her some sort of respect. Like, male friends can't hit on her like they used to or tap her bumbum playfully like before.

IMHO,a girl that refuses to change her name just wants any easy way out,nothing like for better for worse. Should the marriage collapse, she can revert to her natural habitat.

@SA QUEEN

I CAN SEE THAT THOSE WRITE UP TORCHED YOU. MEN FAIL EVERYDAY WE KNOW. BUT THEY SAY WHEN A WOMAN FAILS EVERYTHING (NATION) CRUMBLES BECAUSE SHE IS THE LIFESPAN. IT IS ONLY WOMEN THAT CAN RUIN AND REBUILD THIS WORLD.

TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUALITY- REALLY I COULDN'T REALLY UNDERSTOOD HOW TO DIGEST WHAT YOU MEANT BY THAT IF IT DOESN'T MEAN THE SAME AS EQUALITY (IN PRETENSE).

excoba101:

@SA QUEEN

I CAN SEE THAT THOSE WRITE UP TORCHED YOU. MEN FAIL EVERYDAY WE KNOW. BUT THEY SAY WHEN A WOMAN FAILS EVERYTHING (NATION) CRUMBLES BECAUSE SHE IS THE LIFESPAN. IT IS ONLY WOMEN THAT CAN RUIN AND REBUILD THIS WORLD.

TALKING ABOUT INDIVIDUALITY- REALLY I COULDN'T REALLY UNDERSTOOD HOW TO DIGEST WHAT YOU MEANT BY THAT IF IT DOESN'T MEAN THE SAME AS EQUALITY (IN PRETENSE).

LOL! @emboldment, not at all, its just that I believe its about time people are left to their own opinions and to what works in thier own world, without being mocked. I have so many mistakes and am an imperfect person, so because of that I wouldnt want to judge another person. There's a thin line between right and wrong, just as long as we dont harm, offend and box each other in the process.

Okay @excoba101, I am out tomorrow then

Of course SA LADY.
Try to generate love for men and in the next one year you will never ask these questions again. There is nothing really wrong with us, it is just too much of contraband that we have assimilated growing up. You are free as a woman just as i am free. The problem is this hate we have for each other.
Quote me wrong on that.