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| Sugestion About Majority Of Cars On Nairaland "got Salvage, And Odometer Rollba by oyenit(m): 3:41pm On Mar 29, 2009 |
@Oyenit, I would like you to know that you are doing a great service and it is well appreciated ,however I would like to make a suggestion on how this service can be improved upon when it is being done for a dealer that has not solicited for it. If it is not too much of a problem can you kindly send the report directly to the dealer and give them a chance to rectify any error/disrepancy they might have posted in their ad against the carfax report. However if after private notification the seller ignores to clean up the unintentional or intentional mistake then let the sheriff do the job and post it on the open forum. If this approach is followed it would save a sincere dealer a lot of embarrasment,thread derailment and all sorts as was the case with this ad.It would promote peace,provide constructive criticism and an atmosphere of genuine friendliness. Once again I sincerely appreciate your effort in keeping the forum clean because my firm believe is that "righteousness exalts a nation but sin is a reproach to any set of people"and "whatsoever a man sows,that he would reap". |
| Re: Sugestion About Majority Of Cars On Nairaland "got Salvage, And Odometer Rollba by oyenit(m): 3:44pm On Mar 29, 2009 |
Your advice is very dishonest and self-serving. Why would you not want the forum to see how unscrupulous some of these car dealer can be? Despite this modern age of rapid information technology, some people still go on with business-as-usual-way of decieving illitrate and uninformed Nigerian public. |
| Re: Sugestion About Majority Of Cars On Nairaland "got Salvage, And Odometer Rollba by keba(m): 4:32pm On Mar 29, 2009 |
Oyenit, i don't understand, are you writing to yourself  |
| Re: Sugestion About Majority Of Cars On Nairaland "got Salvage, And Odometer Rollba by Nobody: 4:50pm On Mar 29, 2009 |
naijaking1: [b]naijaking1, It may be presumptous to assume that one or two odometer rollbacks or salvage title records conclusively implies that a car dealer is unscrupulous. Note that a dealer whose carfax report is checked by oyenit, must have voluntarily displayed a Chassis number (VIN) as required. Many of the concerned dealers have admitted that they are essentially middle men that broker these cars. It is not unusual that the dealers in question may not have access to carfax reports, themselves. Many potential buyers, having the information contained in the carfax are then able to decide on their course of action, afterall it is their money. Salvage titled cars in of themselves are not necessarily bad. They can be rebuilt and made road worthy again. Things are not necessarily as they appear initially. I urge forumites to use caution before accusing dealers of unscupulous actions. Someone suggested that oyenit could contact a dealer via email when a discrepancy is noted in a carfax/autocheck report before he displays it on a dealer's thread. I agree that the suggestion will help to reduce unproductive communications which are in violation of forum rules and ultimately derail threads. Let the focus here be on Autos, rather than a witch hunt. I urge dealers to "know" their products before offering them for sale. Let us support each other and be successful together. CAVEAT EMPTOR Monitor_1[/b] |
| Re: Sugestion About Majority Of Cars On Nairaland "got Salvage, And Odometer Rollba by sultaan(m): 6:49pm On Mar 29, 2009 |
@ Monitor_1 Simplified enough What happened to the concept that if you put your name behind a product either for profit or livelihood, you only as good as the quality of your prouct or business. There is no excuse for not knowing the source/status of your livelihood, if you come to a market with a questionable product have your answers straight. Nairaland is not Berger where the words of a seller is all a buyer has to go by. Information is everything, all dealers here know they need to list a VIN, and what information it reveals. If I stand in front of a "dealer" on his lot trying to sell me a car; and ask "what type of engine is in the car?" . If your reply is "huh umh I don't know let me find out" you are making yourself weak easily knocked out of business.So you either shape up or go back to Berger because your reputation will not survive if you can't come up with acceptable answers. |
| Re: Sugestion About Majority Of Cars On Nairaland "got Salvage, And Odometer Rollba by naijaking1: 7:13pm On Mar 29, 2009 |
@Monitor 1, So your grouse is that Oyenit has the balls to expose unscrupulous dealers without" first trying to notify the dealer" of the discrepancy? That's so Nigerian cover-up behaviour. I remember once on the medical forum, someone started dishing out wrong and dangerous medical advice to people, and I called him/her out to be a fake. I was shocked that one of those I saved from a dangerous medical advice actually didn't like "the way I handled the issue" She wrote" you should have been more discret without humiliating the other guy" Why do Nigerians always want to cover up evil? |
| Re: Sugestion About Majority Of Cars On Nairaland "got Salvage, And Odometer Rollba by Nobody: 7:32pm On Mar 29, 2009 |
naijaking1: naijaking, Please note that the answer to your question above is an emphatic "NO", I have no grouse whatsoever with oyenit. Discrepancies can be resolved amicably, particularly offline. Offline resolution of the kinds of issues discussed here will result to more productive communications. That's all I am implying, no more no less. Thanks |
| Re: Sugestion About Majority Of Cars On Nairaland "got Salvage, And Odometer Rollba by ilaugh1: 7:39pm On Mar 29, 2009 |
@Poster Show me any car imported inti Nigeria without an odometer rollback and I will show you virgin grandmas in Peru. |
| Re: Sugestion About Majority Of Cars On Nairaland "got Salvage, And Odometer Rollba by Nobody: 8:12pm On Mar 29, 2009 |
Oyenit, whom are you addressing - yourself??  |
| Re: Sugestion About Majority Of Cars On Nairaland "got Salvage, And Odometer Rollba by promise72(m): 8:28pm On Mar 29, 2009 |
Siena: That was a quote from someone. I think because of technical issues with the site now. it wasnt showing properly |
| Re: Sugestion About Majority Of Cars On Nairaland "got Salvage, And Odometer Rollba by Igwe9(m): 8:28pm On Mar 29, 2009 |
@ Keba & siena I think oyenit was trying to quote some posts. @I laugh Are you talking for the dealers or yourself? I guess you 're not a car dealer. |
| Re: Sugestion About Majority Of Cars On Nairaland "got Salvage, And Odometer Rollba by promise72(m): 8:31pm On Mar 29, 2009 |
That quote came from here. https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-254465.32.html User name is Jesermy (13/14th entry) page 2  |
| Re: Sugestion About Majority Of Cars On Nairaland "got Salvage, And Odometer Rollba by naijaking1: 9:11pm On Mar 29, 2009 |
Monitor_1:Offline as in sending him a private email, letter, phone call, go knock on his door, send delegates from your home town to go beg him? What kind of offline resolution are you talking about? He made an error, overtly or covertly, it needs to be exposed so that people who participate in this forum would learn from the experience. ----- and you're supposed to be the moderator of this forum |
| Re: Sugestion About Majority Of Cars On Nairaland "got Salvage, And Odometer Rollba by Igwe9(m): 9:32pm On Mar 29, 2009 |
naijaking1:In as much as I buy your idea and don't agree to an extent to some of the moderator's posts as well, we all should understand that moderator is human being like us and entitle to her own opinion. I only see people who criticize instead of advise as people that are interested in the post. Regards, Igwe |
| Re: Sugestion About Majority Of Cars On Nairaland "got Salvage, And Odometer Rollba by Nobody: 9:36pm On Mar 29, 2009 |
naijaking1: No need to be sarcastic please. I respect your views and please understand that I am not saying that errors should not be pointed out, far from it. Our objectives should also be to provide an environment that is friendly, non adversarial, and fosters good business relations among buyers and sellers. If a dealer makes a mistake and he/she is made aware of it, and the dealer corrects the error, then we move on. Nairaland buyers are quite sophisticated and errors hardly pass through this section without notice. Let's all continue to do our best to make this section the best it can be. Disagreements are bound to happen, but we must resolve issues with mutual respect and productive communications. Monitor_1 |
| Re: Sugestion About Majority Of Cars On Nairaland "got Salvage, And Odometer Rollba by olivetree: 9:49pm On Mar 29, 2009 |
Any car seller / dealer / tout who sells cars with issues should be exposed. The case of "I didnt know" shouldnever exist. Be sure of any product before coming here to sell. There should be no sacred cow, no Berger or Alaba trading style can be permitted in an era where information is key. Anybody that is not satisfied should go and sell his car on the road. |
| Re: Sugestion About Majority Of Cars On Nairaland "got Salvage, And Odometer Rollba by naijaking1: 10:22pm On Mar 29, 2009 |
@All To the extent that I might have sounded sarcastic, disrespectful, or even unpatriotic; I apologize! Now the issue in this case is about public disclosure, it's about corruption, and the old ways of doing things in Nigeria. Criminals rule in Nigeria today, because, despite the gravity of their offenses, their people would always put style over substance. 'So the politician took some bribe, but it was just they way they confronted him with the accusation that made the chief of his town mad'. "They should have approached it in a more subtle manner, like asking him in a respectful manner" The debate changes from bribery to the manner the politician was approached, and the nation ultimately looses, everytime! This example applies to this situation, because we can easily change focus from criminally rolled back odometer readings/title manipulation to the manner OYENIT exposed this case. Every student of logic knows that the debate is over substance, not style. We're debating style, and neglecting substance. The moderator owes OYENIT an apology, she should have applauded his courage, time, due deligence in bringing up this issue, instead she resorted to lecturing him on better ways of notify fraudlent car dealers that they had made 'a mistake' in their posting. If the moderator does not believe in full disclosure, she has no business being a moderator of a public forum where people look for honesty and truth. It's like having a Pope that doesn't believe in catholic principles, or a federal reserve chair that doesn't believe in capitalism. A lot of people (car buyers/seller/window shoppers) depend on this site for accurate information, the moderator should be on the side of exposing all correct and truthful information, not on the side of errant car sellers. |
| Re: Sugestion About Majority Of Cars On Nairaland "got Salvage, And Odometer Rollba by Nobody: 10:57pm On Mar 29, 2009 |
naijaking1: naijaking1, If you can point me to a post where I specifically was lecturing Oyenit, as you put it, "on better ways of notify fraudlent car dealers that they had made 'a mistake' in their posting" , I will tender that apology, but if you cannot find such a post, you may be the one that owes me one. I once again caution you to not jump to the conclusion that a dealer is fraudulent because a mistake was identified. Let's give people the opportunity to defend themselves before we conclude that they are criminals. To suggest that one is against full disclosure defies logic. Why would I remind dealers to post Chassis numbers if not for full disclosure. There are many volunteers, such as Oyenit, that provide free VIN reports - their selfless efforts are appreciated and should be applauded. Fraudulent dealers do not succeed for long in this Auto section. I'm done on this topic. You may have the last word Monitor_1 |
| Re: Sugestion About Majority Of Cars On Nairaland "got Salvage, And Odometer Rollba by oyenit(m): 12:26am On Mar 30, 2009 |
am addressing this to ppl sending me emails not to send their carfax report on their thread |
| Re: Sugestion About Majority Of Cars On Nairaland "got Salvage, And Odometer Rollba by oyenit(m): 12:30am On Mar 30, 2009 |
even of all ppl inspire, because i posted on his thread, even threat to get me banned from nairaland if i do a vin check on him omo i fear oooooo. pls help me tell am to face me not by sending me emails |
| Re: Sugestion About Majority Of Cars On Nairaland "got Salvage, And Odometer Rollba by viperman: 12:40am On Mar 30, 2009 |
oyenit: Hi oyenit, I believe Inspired didn't mean to threaten you like that, anger 'that you might have just spoilt a deal for him' was what was typing all that. Believe me, i've been in a similar situation I fully support your VIN check and posting even on myself so continue. |
| Re: Sugestion About Majority Of Cars On Nairaland "got Salvage, And Odometer Rollba by Jesarmy(f): 1:18am On Mar 30, 2009 |
@Oyenit, I have no problem with you posting carfax reports and exposing fraudulent dealers,in fact I support it wholeheartedly. [b]The suggestion I made was to foster peace and give sincere dealers who have made genuine mistakes an opportunity to correct it before it is brought to the open forum.Note I did not say dont bring it to the open forum and you should also notice the use of the word sincere dealers.[/b]I believe there is hardly any body who has not made a sincere mistake on the job at one time or the other and I do not think we would be very happy if our first point of notification would be at a departmental meeting or the GM's office . Since my suggestion seems dishonest and self serving in your own opinion by all means go ahead with your style of doing things,I have no quarell with it .Like I said before a man would reap whatsoever he sows. @all, Let me make myself clear,I am not in any way supportive of fraudulent dealers who deliberately continue to post ads that are in discrepancy with carfax reports to mislead buyers.VIN disclosure is a must on the forum and if by extension forumites would like carfax reports to be included as a rule on car ads,I am for it. Shalom, Jesarmy |
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