Assalamu alaikum,

I have been trying all I could to make this private but you never reckon to that. I wonder where your intelligence goes whenever it comes to matters like this one. I therefore prepare to let it open since that is what you want; and I don't care wherever the discussion goes.

In short, I today want to you to tell me what do you mean by your "suspicion" about me. You have been saying this here and there. And only Allah, the Exalted, knows how I have been trying to discuss this discreetly with you. Go straight forward and tell the world your "suspicion" about Muhsin.

Waiting. . .

*laughing*

They say you are too gentle but i see you so fragile. You easily get hurt and hurled at anything despicable.

you are both terrorists . . . . , whats the difference?

this is a clear case of a true muslim not agreeing with a moderate(westernized) muslim

@Noetic and Sleek29: LOL. Guys, have you noticed the Chaotic thing happening, alla Pope to Protestants? Which is the true denomination, boys? The cloth is reaping through right from the strongest thread. I am hoping I will still be alive, when protestanism is completely phased out and becomes a thing of the past; say 75 years from now.

Strange boys. Strange proposal from the pope. Am confidence all who called Cathlocism pagans, will have to eat up what they threw out on it.

Abuzola:

*laughing*

They say you are too gentle but i see you so fragile. You easily get hurt and hurled at anything despicable.

I told you I don't care a bit; just go direct to the point and answer the OP.

Choke me if you want to hear

noetic15:

you are both terrorists . . . . , whats the difference?  

Intruder, who are you asking?

sleek29:

this is a clear case of a true muslim not agreeing with a moderate(westernized) muslim

Second intruder, who is the true Muslim and the moderate? No moderation in Islam; you are either a Muslim or something else.

NB: You folks use the word "moderate" in rather a pejorative sense I know.

Muhsin

Abuzola:

Choke me if you want to hear

Fool yourself, boy.

Answer the OP. Period.

mukina2:

Muhsin

Mukina

@muhsin- The truth is that i see you as self indulgent and induced, i don't understand you, sincerely i suspect you belong to one of the herectic sect of Islam, as for me am ahlu sunnah.

Why did i say so ? Because of ur pounding me heavily, you have called me extremist, fanatic which no muslim have ever said to me and some of ur reaction when you respond to my post, Your motion define the hiden agenda you have for me.

All the islam denomination are against ahlu sunnah because ahlu sunnah strictly condemn bidia, we have more than 90 islam denomination in kano, the largest in west africa and maybe in africa, they antagonize ahlu sunnah, thats what led to the assasination of our greater sheikh ja'afar. Here in lagos too they are envy of us because we condemn bidia, today they are our biggest threat, they hate ahlu sunnah so i suspect you to be among the party. Allahu alam

Just saw ur comment,'fool urself, boy'

anyway the truth will prevail one day, what am sure is 'enemy no go visk'

muhsin:

Mukina

Sorry Muhsin


I was just wondering if the thread was really necessary?

Abuzola:

@muhsin- The truth is that i see you as self indulgent and induced, i don't understand you,  sincerely i suspect you belong to one of the herectic sect of Islam, as for me am ahlu sunnah.  

I think we've resolved this mystery since; I told you, after swearing, where I belong. More-over, I asked you to frankly and sincerely enough show me anywhere where my actions and inactions indicate otherwise. . .but you are yet to. And beside you go on spreading the trashy words, saying you are suspecting me. What on God's earth do you mean?

Why did i say so ? Because of your pounding me heavily, you have called me extremist, fanatic which no muslim have ever said to me and some of your reaction when you respond to my post, Your motion define the hiden agenda you have for me.

Bring forth your proofs. . .period.

Further still, I just called (and will continue calling unless you change) a spade a spade. You naively announced that you are an Al-Qaeda member, although I certainly know you aren't. But that was telling your mortal support for their actions, which many, I mean literally many renowned Islamic exegeses of yesterday and today (and most probably tomorrow) disapprove of.

Let me tell you a story: I have a brother--the second born in our home--who has been in SA for nearly two decades. He's now Doctor of Philosophy. . .he studied Aqeedah. Years back, he was saying he wanted to go and fight in either Afghanistan or Chechnya. But astonishingly enough when he came during that Boko Haram upheavals, he severely criticized Muhammad Yusuf and said (and explained) that he and his followers actions were denounceable and reprehensible.  The story goes this way. . .

All the islam denomination are against ahlu sunnah because ahlu sunnah strictly condemn bidia,  we have more than 90 islam denomination in kano, the largest in west africa and maybe in africa,  they antagonize ahlu sunnah, thats what led to the assasination of our greater sheikh ja'afar. Here in lagos too they are envy of us because we condemn bidia, today they are our biggest threat, they hate ahlu sunnah so i suspect you to be among the party. Allahu alam

You don't know Sheikh Ja'afar, Abuzola. I know him since childhood. We are virtually related. . .and I believe with 99.9% of his preaching.

Again, you know little or nothing about the different religious denominations we have in Kano. Have been in that since childhood. I went to different locations in Nigeria on religious purposes. Thus keep that issue aside. Look for what you have knowledge of.

Lastly, our noble prophet Muhammad said in an authentic hadeeth: He disallows all Muslim from being carried away by suspicion for most of it contains nothing but lies. In Arabic: Iyyakum waz zannah, fa innaz zanna akzabul hadeeth. So be warned!

Abuzola:

Just saw your comment,'fool urself, boy'

And what else?

anyway the truth will prevail one day, what am sure is 'enemy no go visk'

I, your enemy? You must be either kidding or out of a common sense.

May Allah, the Exalted, guide you to the right and straight path, ameen.

mukina2:

Sorry Muhsin


I was just wondering if the thread was really necessary?

I was sure as hell that the thread would displease or even distress many of you, Mukina. But the thing with the brother is getting pretty sick; had to confront him, wallahi. Please forgive me. Thanks

Smile

whatever


i have known much about you from ur statement.


Whats my business wth yo brother, you are just a muslim by name and thats the truth



You are entitled to ur stupidity,


Long live the mujahidun

Abuzola:

Smile

whatever


i have known much about you from your statement.


Whats my business wth yo brother, you are just a muslim by name and thats the truth



You are entitled to your stupidity,


Long live the mujahidun

Thats exactly where I've been wanting the discussion do reach; alhamdulillah.

You'd been behind a frayed facade, but I now know who am with in broad day light.

Take care.

Lol, slowpoke why don't you get yourself body guard it will be more safety.

You Enjoy seeing Allah and His messenger being insulted and you expect us to be quiet ? Thats ur dream but God's grace they won't go free, even if am away from NL, God will bring much worse personel than i.


I don't ve anything against you, you remain my brother in faith. Your gentily is stupidity. I have explained to you why am high on NL most especially the religious section, but carried away with ur selfish motive.


As for The mujahidun, they shall continue to succeed anytime anywhere inshaALLAH. So you enjoy the suffering of the muslim ummah, huh ? What if i produce a verse that Allah says that If we muslim continue to act like zombie while the unbelievers continue to depress us we are on our own till we fight them, accept defeat and ask me for the verse, yayana

muhsin:

I was sure as hell that the thread would displease or even distress many of you, Mukina. But the thing with the brother is getting pretty sick; had to confront him, wallahi. Please forgive me. Thanks

far from it Muhsin.

Abu has done the same to me over and over, to Jarus and to others.

You should have just ignored him.

its not worth it

Abu
why are you fighting everyone?

mukina2:

far from it Muhsin.

Abu has done the same to me over and over, to Jarus and to others.

You should have just ignored him.

its not worth it

I realized that truth when it was already too late. I still thank you for the "guide".

Folks and beloved brothers sheathe the swords. A muslims right over his brother is that he his safe from insults from him. Abuzola lets act maturely as manners of appoach sometimes makes someone on the wrong even if he his fighting a just cause. You shouldnt call your bro muslim by name as Allah alone knows if he his better than you are remember the last verses of surah hujurah "  o ye who believe let not a group scoff at another group as it may be tht the katter are better than the former"     "

Muhsin i think the thread should not have been put up
Abuzola my dear bro soft pedal and dont fight every muslim here please Umar who was assertive and firm yet he had a wonderful character, there has to be a balance btw firmness and good charcter.

Remember the verse is surah fath "Muhammad rasululah wa ledhina ma'au ashidau alal kufaru ruhamau baiynahum . The last words are important bro take heed.

This is most unexpected and I'm really shocked.
Sincerely, Abuzola needs to check his flagrant arrogation of ahlus Sunnah to himself, and careless ascription of heretism to others. This self righteousness could be destructive. An easy way to derailment is to seal one's mind to the belief that only one is absolutely correct. I moved with ahlus-sunnah brothers while in the university. I hardly read any other Islamic material except those written by Ahlus-Sunnah scholars. I don't do bid'ah and try as much as possible to uphold sunnah. So I'm also not new to ahlus sunnah, and try to be one, as I'm convinced the only path to salvation is to follow the prophet's footsteps(sunnah).

You claim to be an ahlus sunnah,Abuzola, and I'm convinced you are one, but the challenge I have with you is that you act, at times, in ways incongruent with the Sunnah. Is suspicion Sunnah? Is careless throwing of insults sunnah?

Sincerely, to me, Muhsin comes across as a better ahlus Sunnah. I have followed Muhsin well enough on this section to know he's an ahlus sunnah(Oh, I hate to say all these, lest ahlus sunnah is confused as a sect). His utterances, his efforts, his thinking system(aqeedah) are more reconciliable with ahlus sunnah belief. This is why I'm surprised you are accused Muhsin, of all people, of heretic belief. Remember, not all ahlus sunnah are radical. Some ahlus sunnah condemn al-qeedah etc, some don't. I will not dismiss a person as not ahlus Sunnah just because he speaks against Osama, alqeedah etc. These are not fundamental issues under which a person's creed are evaluated, although you can infer one or two things from a person's aqeedah from issues like this.


The aspect I find most gobsmacking in your plethora of tantrums is the ease with which you dismiss other Muslims here. It is most nauseating and smacks of self-righteousness.

A word is enough for the wise.

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"And obey Allah and His Messenger, and do not dispute and [thus] lose courage and [then] your strength would depart; and be patient. Indeed, Allah is with the patient. (Qur'an 8:46)[/center]

Hmmm

You guys should leave me alone, when muhsin called me fanatic you didn't say anything, when he forbade me to pray for him when he dies you didn't say anything, now he opened a thread yet am the one you condemn, why ? Becos am a newbie and i use to say the truth to whoever commit atrocity,


muhsin lied he is not a ahlu sunnah, Allahu alam. How can ur fellow muslim broda tell you not to pray for him when he dies, this is my main reason for accusing the dove

On the issue of suspicious-

by God whom my life belong to, every one of you is suspicious of of one thing or the other, is just like lying, everybody lie but the main point is we should minimize, we are human being.

Prophet isa suspected a man for thiefry, see sahih muslim , 1619


Prophet muhammad suspected Aisha of adultery, see sahih bukhari, 1149

who am i not to suspect muhsin of being a wicked muslim.

I am not a saint, am a sinner and only Allah washes my sin.


As for muhsin whatever hiden agenda you have for me God is my protector,

[center]Narrated Anas bin Malik:

The Prophet said, "Facilitate things to people (concerning religious matters), and do not make it hard for them and give them good tidings and do not make them run away (from Islam)."

Bukhari :: Book 1 :: Volume 3 :: Hadith 69[/center]

I had earlier concluded that I won’t say a word here again, but seeing what you (Abuzola) again wrote above somewhat necessitated my coming again.

Well, regarding the saying I don’t like your prayer even if I died raised when I asked you to give me your phone number for a more private discussion between I and you; I asked you of that for times more than count. You refused. You further went on saying you know I got nothing to talk to you beyond NL and that you despised. I explained my mission saying NL is something absolutely minor and less meaningful in our life; we got lots to discuss. I then in rather a furious manner—I was actually angered, realizing you have nothing to actually give me, yet you were cold-shouldering me—said it.

We discussed all that in Hausa that’s why there was hardly anyone who take note of that.

Secondly about calling you fanatic; I kind of feel you take the word to mean something else—not actually what I take it to mean. Your consistent fuss proves that beyond shadow of any doubt. Our noble prophet, may Allah exalt his mention, clearly said: “Destroyed are those who are extreme (in religion).” More-over, whoever unbiasedly and fairly read you here knows you take everything religious to the highest of the mountain. For example on issues like Apostate, Jihad, Boko Haram, MJ & Gani Fawehemi, to mention but a few.

Lastly, thinking I want to harm you is utterly baseless. You’re just being paranoid. How can I? You live far away from where I live; you Lagos while I in Kano. How do you think that could happen? That beside, the Prophet, may Allah exalt his mention, said: Whoever harms his Muslim brother Allah will harm him. Do you think I will abridge this authentic prophetic teaching and act otherwise?

Allah sees; and He will judge: if I am doing anything bad to you may He avenge you. And if it’s you, do you agree may He avenge me? LOL! I forgive you . . . and from the bottom of my heart. Am not faking.

Thanks to you brothers and sister for the kind words. May Allah, the Exalted, guide us all to the right and straight path, amen. May He increase in our knowledge and give us nasarah over our foes here and there, amen. I remain eternally grateful.

Muhsin

If you had said this earlier we wouldn't have gone this far. Hatchet buried !



For ur last post you are saying mj and Gani burial were in accordance to islamic law, the apostate that were killed in the Prophet's time were barbaric. What would i say than to laugh in french *Rire*