psychokinesis, also known as telekinesis, is defined as a direct influence of mind on a physical system that cannot be entirely accounted for by the mediation of any known physical energy. Such a power would be able to influence dice, control computers at random will, move objects and uproot trees.

Interestingly, psychokinesis is the umbrella term for events like teleportation as well as metamorphoses (shape-shifting).

Teleportation is a means of more or less instantaneous transportation, a conveyance of matter from one point of de-materialization to a point of re-creation or re-existence.

When it is an object that is inadvertently moved in such a fashion due to some paranormal influence, it is more often called an apport by parapsychologists, to distinguish it from teleportation where it is a deliberate process.

It appears in Hebrew beliefs as Kefitzat Haderech (Hebrew: קְפִיצַת הַדֶּרֶךְ, Modern Qəfiẓat haDéreḫ or Kfitzat haDérech) i.e. jumping of the road / short-cut, describing an instantaneous jump from place to place.

It appears in Islamic philosophy as Tayy al-Arḍ (Arabic: طيّ الأرض‎ "folding up of the earth" in which it is believed that the earth moves under the stationary person's feet.

Regardless of these Hebrew and Islamic views, and all the claims made by parapsychologists, and all the debunking done by critics and skeptics; what's your own take? Is it possible, or it's just pseudo-science and superstition once again?

[b]Personally, I think it's impossible, and it's just another hoax to get people to believe in the superiority of the religious performer who claims to perform these feats. Most of the things thus-experienced are illusions, sleights of hand and other tricks known to magicians in their own arcana.

Magic throughout the ages has always been shown to be made up of cheap tricks, and spells are just a form of mental manipulation driven by the placebo effect and fear. There were people with advanced science knowledge hundreds of years ago and they kept these secret chemicals and other materials and used them to deceive the public and make money off them in the name of magic.

I believe it still happens today, science, fiction, fear and religion combining to produce so-called supernatural effects.

This is not to say the supernatural does not influence the natural, but only in very special cases would such [size=15pt]disturbances[/size] i.e. anomalies occur. Most of the others are just a pack of lies.[/b]

You forgot to add "REMOTE VIEWING(RV)" to the lot.

InesQor:

[b]Personally, I think it's impossible, and it's just another hoax to get people to believe in the superiority of the religious performer who claims to perform these feats. Most of the things thus-experienced are illusions, sleights of hand and other tricks known to magicians in their own arcana.

Magic throughout the ages has always been shown to be made up of cheap tricks, and spells are just a form of mental manipulation driven by the placebo effect and fear. There were people with advanced science knowledge hundreds of years ago and they kept these secret chemicals and other materials and used them to deceive the public and make money off them in the name of magic.

I believe it still happens today, science, fiction, fear and religion combining to produce so-called supernatural effects.

This is not to say the supernatural does not influence the natural, but only in very special cases would such [size=15pt]disturbances[/size] i.e. anomalies occur. Most of the others are just a pack of lies.[/b]

But you do believe jesus walking on water and turning water into wine and all that stuff not to be illusions,right?Those were not cheap magic tricks, abi?
FYI, RV is used in modern warfare by modern day military establishment(most especially the US military), so it has to be much more than an illusion or else the military wouldn't be wasting their time with it.

@Jagunlabi: Thanks for commenting!

Those miracles were not planned. If you know ANYTHING about the nature of magic, you will know that it always requires adequate preparation. Fine, many magicians travel with paraphernalia (sometimes on their person) that they use to carry out relatively small-scale tricks, but I am yet to hear of any magic trick that could

(a) Feed thousands. Yes, it is possible by an illusion to subject some few people to such sensations, or to have some people cooperating with you to make it look real. But feed thousands from 5 loaves and two fish?

(b) Turn water into wine. This is a very possible trick in which a highly concentrated concotion of wine is diluted into the drums of water, but that was not the case with Jesus. The master of the ceremony said that the wine was very rich in quality. It could not have been a sleight of hand. Besides, Jesus did not know that they would run out of wine, and that it would be the first demand on him to make a miracle.

(c) Walk on water. If not that Peter also walked on water WITHOUT any prior preparation, you could say Jesus had time to prepare some sort of semi-submersible raft that he floated upon. How do you explain Peter's step of faith and the distance he walked on the storms before he got afraid?

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Now to your point about Remote Viewing. I deliberately did not list Remote Viewing because it is not peddled as a paraphysical trait that is borne out of spiritual prowess. Rather, it is classified as parascience. Personally, I think remote viewing is just a scam as well. If I know some few things about you, it is possible for me to cold read or hot read you and describe what you are wearing almost perfectly. That's simple psychology and not remote viewing.

I will give you an example of the above, and GABRY can bear me witness. We were chatting on yahoo messenger one day and she shared some pictures so I got to see her for the first time, together with 4 other Asian ladies. I knew nothing about the picture and she asked me to identify her. I did that correctly and went on to describe the traits of the other ladies, their marital status, their level of friendship with her and how often they agree or disagree, their financial status, whether they had jobs or not, what they liked to do for fun, etc. Someone who doesn't know better would think I am psychic but that's crap.

I simply used stuff like their pose in the picture, the order in which they stood, how they smiled (forcibly or naturally) and their sense of a color combination and other such stuff to describe them perfectly. She was shocked. But it's just simple deductive reasoning.

Elementary, my dear Watson, as Sherlock Holmes would say.

@jagunlabi: Conclusion: Remote Viewing is a money-spinning hoax.

you've been reading some mystic stuff.levitation and bilocation is real

All those who believe in telekinesis raise up my hand!

InesQor:

@jagunlabi: Conclusion: Remote Viewing is a money-spinning hoax.

That is just your own personal opinion, inesqor, and you are entitled to it.

Personally, i think we all still have so many things to learn. At the moment, there is no concrete evidence to prove these phenomena. If it's possible for people to disappear, teleport or whatever, why are bans not reporting miraculous loss of money. When most of these practitioners are brought into lab environments, u begin to hear stuffs like "it does not work that way". Try get some books on mentalism especially by Derren Brown(his writing is fun-filled) and you'll see just how gullible regular humans are. Cold reading, hot reading etc are techniques being employed by all these charlatans from the daddy G.O. and the cele prophet.
The problem i personally face is that when i read foreign authors on skepticism, reason, blah blah, i find it easy to understand and usually enjoy the debunking. What i intend researching is the african/naija bu.ll sh.it. By that i mean:
1. People's di.cks disappearing after talking to strangers.
2. Blood money.
3. Ofe(teleport).
4. Ayeta(bulletproof jazz).
5. Some crazy stories from OPC and all these Iriri Aiye folks.

Some people are so convinced about the existence of all this stuffs though some are honest to admit they have not seen some. . .most people are just dam.n sure these things are real. Which way?

Interesting topic

My contribution: Actually it as been scientifically proven that the human brain emits Beta, Alpha, Delta & Theta waves. This is a very new area in science and research / knowledge in this field is very limited, however it as shown a lot of potential as experiments have shown that man can interact control his computer using brainwaves to control it instead of a key board or a mouse. Actually the potentials of this technology are immense even though it is still in it's early stage the U.S militery is already spending millions on financing scientists researching the brain wave phenomena. The question now begs, what are we doing with brain waves we apparently don't use or can even comprehend? Personally i suspect it maybe there for communication with the supernatural. It might even be the means by which God knows what is in our mind. Ability to be able to manipulate and control brain waves would give man tremendous power over other men becos you would be able to control them and manipulate them. You can imagine the potentials of this "technology". The use and manipulation of this brain wave technology might actually be what is responsible for a good number of paranormal occurences. For more on brainwave technology check the link below:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6661974/

James Randi has 1million dollars(US) to give to anybody that can prove that his/her mystical capability is real.

ilosiwaju:

What i intend researching is the african/naija bu.ll sh.it. By that i mean:
1. People's di.cks disappearing after talking to strangers.
2. Blood money.
3. Ofe(teleport).
4. Ayeta(bulletproof jazz).
5. Some crazy stories from OPC and all these Iriri Aiye folks.

Some people are so convinced about the existence of all this stuffs though some are honest to admit they have not seen some. . .most people are just dam.n sure these things are real. Which way?

We are in 2010 yet a large percentage of Nigerians still believe that the remains of virgins or little children can be turned into crispy cash . Some completely believe that human beings can turn into animals(owls, vultures, rats, ants) etc . Some dude was narrating a story to us about how some guys in Yenagoa (Bayelsa) turn into rats and vultures at night when embarking on their robbery mission. . I just kept quiet in other not to embarrass him. You hear stories like bullet proof juju, People disappearing and appearing in other places, turning into fish and swimming from one end of the sea to another. How do we ever develop and start building our own airplanes, submarines, super sonic fighter jets, space telescope, electron microscope, computers, cars etc when an average Nigerian truly believes in these myths and urban legends that keeps us in total darkness? .

Our Nigerian media is not helping matters at all, they give credibility to all these nonsense. You get to hear of such urban legends reported on nightly news broadcast. The Nigerian movie industry is a very BIG SHAME. It's always one mammy water story or the other. . "Blood money", "How Stella turned into a vulture". These beliefs are further entrenched with baseless and endless rumors all the time. From "Breathing tree", to "Singing chair". People go to school but are still unable to make any difference or contribute anything significant at all to the over all development of the society at large because these false beliefs we hold over shadows the laws of nature they learn in  their various schools. Nigerians(Africans) go to schools all over the world yet they are still unable to build their own technology, We attend some of the best schools in America, Europe and Asia with the people that live there, yet they are always moving ahead while we are always languishing in our continuous state of oblivion.

A white man sees something he does not really understand and tries to find natural explanations for it. The average Nigerian/African revels in the thoughts of mysterious and baseless myths and urban legends. We are always unable to do anything for ourselves because of obsolete beliefs in urban legends and myths that has become an integral part of our lives and "reality". Its almost a hopeless case.

KunleOshob:

Interesting topic

My contribution: Actually it as been scientifically proven that the human brain emits Beta, Alpha, Delta & Theta waves. This is a very new area in science and research / knowledge in this field is very limited, however it as shown a lot of potential as experiments have shown that man can interact control his computer using brainwaves to control it instead of a key board or a mouse. Actually the potentials of this technology are immense even though it is still in it's early stage the U.S militery is already spending millions on financing scientists researching the brain wave phenomena. The question now begs, what are we doing with brain waves we apparently don't use or can even comprehend? Personally i suspect it maybe there for communication with the supernatural. It might even be the means by which God knows what is in our mind. Ability to be able to manipulate and control brain waves would give man tremendous power over other men becos you would be able to control them and manipulate them. You can imagine the potentials of this "technology". The use and manipulation of this brain wave technology might actually be what is responsible for a good number of paranormal occurences. For more on brainwave technology check the link below:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6661974/

Interesting.

@toneyb:

mind yourself o. What do you mean trees cannot breathe or chairs sing? . Get a very fat person preferably with the proverbial oversized back-yard to sit on a chair and listen to it creak, strain and burst forth into chorus "my belle O, my head O".

For the tree, just pour petrol and listen to it breathing heavily as it sighs, crackling heavily into death.

toneyb:

James Randi has 1million dollars(US) to give to anybody that can prove that his/her mystical capability is real.


We are in 2010 yet a large percentage of Nigerians still believe that the remains of virgins or little children can be turned into crispy cash . Some completely believe that human beings can turn into animals(owls, vultures, rats, ants) etc . Some dude was narrating a story to us about how some guys in Yenagoa (Bayelsa) turn into rats and vultures at night when embarking on their robbery mission. . I just kept quiet in other not to embarrass him. You hear stories like bullet proof juju, People disappearing and appearing in other places, turning into fish and swimming from one end of the sea to another. How do we ever develop and start building our own airplanes, submarines, super sonic fighter jets, space telescope, electron microscope, computers, cars etc when an average Nigerian truly believes in these myths and urban legends that keeps us in total darkness? .

Our Nigerian media is not helping matters at all, they give credibility to all these nonsense. You get to hear of such urban legends reported on nightly news broadcast. The Nigerian movie industry is a very BIG SHAME. It's always one mammy water story or the other. . "Blood money", "How Stella turned into a vulture". These beliefs are further entrenched with baseless and endless rumors all the time. From "Breathing tree", to "Singing chair". People go to school but are still unable to make any difference or contribute anything significant at all to the over all development of the society at large because these false beliefs we hold over shadows the laws of nature they learn in  their various schools. Nigerians(Africans) go to schools all over the world yet they are still unable to build their own technology, We attend some of the best schools in America, Europe and Asia with the people that live there, yet they are always moving ahead while we are always languishing in our continuous state of oblivion.

A white man sees something he does not really understand and tries to find natural explanations for it. The average Nigerian/African revels in the thoughts of mysterious and baseless myths and urban legends. We are always unable to do anything for ourselves because of obsolete beliefs in urban legends and myths that has become an integral part of our lives and "reality". Its almost a hopeless case.

This piece was very well written.

toneyb:

James Randi has 1million dollars(US) to give to anybody that can prove that his/her mystical capability is real.

I wouldn't bet a dime on James Randi. He's much too controversial with simple truth, if he ever was genuinely interested in finding evidence for the paranormal.

Randi pats himself with the offer of US$1 million to anyone able to prove the existence and reality of the supernatural and/or paranormal; but the same Randi has never been able to take up the challenges offered him by others. An example: go to Survival_After_Death and find 'The Ultimate Psychic Challenge - A Challenge to James Randi'. Has Randi taken up the challenge at any time?

Of course, there are a number of serious challenges - following intellectual and scientific protocol - thrown at Randi. The dude has not attempted any serious answers or responses to them; and his theatricals are vanishingly (and astonishingly) abating and far less impressing ... except, of course, to those who just want to be entertained by Randi's dishonest skepticism.

KunleOshob:

It might even be the means by which God knows what is in our mind. Ability to be able to manipulate and control brain waves would give man tremendous power over other men becos you would be able to control them and manipulate them. You can imagine the potentials of this "technology". The use and manipulation of this brain wave technology might actually be what is responsible for a good number of paranormal occurences. For more on brainwave technology check the link below:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6661974/

'The use and manipulation of this brain wave technology might actually be what is responsible for a good number of paranormal occurences'
^^^
such as . . .?

as soul nothing is impossible.

levitation, seeing the future, telekinesis, etc.

but before you can develop these skills it takes years of discipline and training.

if you misuse any of them for personal gain or for ego trips you will lose it faster than you can say jack robinson

benodic:

if you misuse any of them for personal gain or for ego trips you will lose it faster than you can say jack robinson

How did you arrive at this conclusion??

@Benodic,

I'm really curious

1. Do you possess any of these skills
2. Did someone demonstrate such to you and then lose them
3. How would you have seen such demonstrated if display would cause loss and failing that you saw a demo, what makes you believe in such?

those skills i mentioned are what we call side trips on your journey back to God.

as you grow spiritually some of those talents or gifts awakens naturally in you.

but they are brought to the attention of soul to make it realize that soul is not just an ordinary human being.

soul is beyond space and time.

you enjoy the skills as they come and then you drop them and continue on your journey back to God.

problem comes when you become attached to them and they remove your attention from God.

most of us Eckist go through periods when some of these skills are opened to us but we do not make noise about it as it is totally unnecessary.

and there is nothing to prove.

what matters is for soul to remain focused on God and remain a clear channel for God's love

viaro:

I wouldn't bet a dime on James Randi. He's much too controversial with simple truth, if he ever was genuinely interested in finding evidence for the paranormal.

Randi pats himself with the offer of US$1 million to anyone able to prove the existence and reality of the supernatural and/or paranormal; but the same Randi has never been able to take up the challenges offered him by others. An example: go to Survival_After_Death and find 'The Ultimate Psychic Challenge - A Challenge to James Randi'. Has Randi taken up the challenge at any time?

Of course, there are a number of serious challenges - following intellectual and scientific protocol - thrown at Randi. The dude has not attempted any serious answers or responses to them; and his theatricals are vanishingly (and astonishingly) abating and far less impressing ... except, of course, to those who just want to be entertained by Randi's dishonest skepticism.

See, here is the problem.The charlatans know very well that they do NOT have any verifiable evidence so in other to save face they decide to attack the integrity of James Randi. The cannot give Randi's challenge legitimacy because it demonstrates their claims are false so their only choice is to discredit him and the challenge and what is offered as proof? some cranky new-age website! Randi does not need to take up any challenge from any body. If you can prove the existence or reality of supernatural powers do so and you will have 1million dollars.The believers in these things don't accept Randi's change as legitimate,they see him as the charlatan because he is willing to use trickery to unmask, debunk and otherwise humiliate psychics and paranormal researchers, the irony escapes them. Funny how all these name brand psychics all charge (a lot!) for their "gifts from god" LOL. . . . . Thanks Randi for his efforts to expose these frauds preying on people. The claim by Randi is a direct reply and statement to those fakes who claim 100% accuracy and go on media and are frauds. If they claim they have amazing gifts Randi counter claims that they are amazing BSers and that is what the challenge is for.

Anyone with true gifts should be able to go in and show a CLEAR function of their gift and if they had to do it 1 time or 100 times they should be able to demonstrate it. The test is there so that no luck can occur, the test is there to prove the claims of these fakes who say they don't use luck themselves so the test makes sure there is no luck or random chance at all. If your guide can tell you the answer to a question once then surely the guide can tell it to you 100 times and heck, win the million and donate it right back or give it to charity. But as usual since they know very well that they can't stand up to the challenge its easier to attack Randi than to just go and simply reveal their so called supernatural abilities. If you go about lying to people that you can fly or suspend in the air go and prove it and win 1 million dollars end of story.

mazaje:

See, here is the problem.The charlatans know very well that they do NOT have any verifiable evidence so in other to save face they decide to attack the integrity of James Randi. The cannot give Randi's challenge legitimacy because it demonstrates their claims are false so their only choice is to discredit him and the challenge and what is offered as proof? some cranky new-age website!

Sorry mazaje, no biggy there. Randi is a charlatan and knows it so very well. He may wave his charade in front of people who lick up his boots and never take time to source him out, that is why he appeals to you. On several occasions when randi has been challenged to bear up for many of his claims, he has had to admit he's a liar - without anyone "attacking" his so-called "integrity". That integrity he does not have is what he wants cheap minds to believe is being attacked, so what is surprising there? randi himself is BIG on attacking people's integrity when he cannot find a way to dispel his own mythical skepticism. Go and find out instead of being sorry for the cheap cheat.

Randi does not need to take up any challenge from any body.

We know why - because he does not really have any fairplay up his sleeves. We can as well say that nobody needs to take up any challenges from Randi - that is what he wants his chorus singers to say so that he could go off dancing on ice. Randi ought to face up to to those challenges IF he has any credibility at all - that is the point.

If you can prove the existence or reality of supernatural powers do so and you will have 1million dollars.

Rubbish. Let Randi REPRODUCE what he calls 'hoaxes' and stop running away from those challenges. Why is that proving too hard for him? Let him keep his US$1 million (it is not his personal money) - but let him face up to serious challenges from intellectuals with scientific protocols. Why is that a hard thing for him to do?

The believers in these things don't accept Randi's change as legitimate,they see him as the charlatan because he is willing to use trickery to unmask, debunk and otherwise humiliate psychics and paranormal researchers, the irony escapes them. Funny how all these name brand psychics all charge (a lot!) for their "gifts from god" LOL.

Yes, Randi is ready to shift the goal posts and decide on who to debunk - the charlatans he knows only too well will fall face down for his trickery. He also knows he will be humiliated free of charge by those who are still waiting for him to face up to the challenges they have for him. Let him use his trickery to REPRODUCE the same results.

Thanks Randi for his efforts to expose these frauds preying on people. The claim by Randi is a direct reply and statement to those fakes who claim 100% accuracy and go on media and are frauds. If they claim they have amazing gifts Randi counter claims that they are amazing BSers and that is what the challenge is for.

Nothing new - we all know that there are frauds. So Randi picks on them (the frauds) but he escapes the challenge from those who are not going to kid with him. If it was not for these others who challenge him, the same Randi would have been riding high on gullible praise singers who excuse his hoaxes.

Anyone with true gifts should be able to go in and show a CLEAR function of their gift and if they had to do it 1 time or 100 times they should be able to demonstrate it. The test is there so that no luck can occur, the test is there to prove the claims of these fakes who say they don't use luck themselves so the test makes sure there is no luck or random chance at all. If your guide can tell you the answer to a question once then surely the guide can tell it to you 100 times and heck, win the million and donate it right back or give it to charity. But as usual since they know very well that they can't stand up to the challenge its easier to attack Randi than to just go and simply reveal their so called supernatural abilities. If you go about lying to people that you can fly or suspend in the air go and prove it and win 1 million dollars end of story.

It shows you are not in current news, dude. Go and find out more about the so-called "integrity" of Randi you're praising here before you eat back your words. If Randi goes about lying to people, he should be named and shamed in the same way that he takes pleasure at naming and shaming charlatans - that is the whole point in those who have challenged him. It is a shame that some people will excuse Randi from real issues and claim that he does not need to take up any challenge - that is simply a lazy way of thinking and a ready-made escape hatch that Randi enjoys so well.

@Everybody: Just to be clear, I am not decrying the existence of the supernatural. Rather, my point is that there are MANY so-called supernatural experiences today that are, in truth, hoaxes, lies and all such.

For instance, a certain "faith healer" (Peter Popoff) was caught by a skeptic (Randi) and a journalist "receiving spiritual guidance" supernaturally when in fact he had a wireless piece hidden in his ears and was getting the information about the audience from his wife back-stage (the wife was reading the cards that the congregation filled as they came in). This is pure showmanship, and a farce. BUT in truth, there are people who actually receive such information by supernatural guidance. Miracles can take place, but nobody can force them.

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@babaearly:

babaearly:

you've been reading some mystic stuff.levitation and bilocation is real

No, bro. Everything is real, but you need to define "real" itself before we can move ahead. "Real" is only as far as a human's subjective experience goes. So if your experience has been messed up either deliberately or not, many things will be real to you that are not real to other folk. And therein is the height of delusion: the more you believe that, for example, human beings turn to werewolves on full moons, the more that reality appears to hold true for you. It's an endless loop of delusion.

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@Enigma:

Enigma:

All those who believe in telekinesis raise up my hand! 

Hahaha good one bro! Have you ever wondered why those who claim to do this can only do it with prepared objects and parts of their own bodies? Scam alert!!!

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@ilosiwaju:

ilosiwaju:

Personally, i think we all still have so many things to learn. At the moment, there is no concrete evidence to prove these phenomena. If it's possible for people to disappear, teleport or whatever, why are bans not reporting miraculous loss of money. When most of these practitioners are brought into lab environments, u begin to hear stuffs like "it does not work that way". Try get some books on mentalism especially by Derren Brown(his writing is fun-filled) and you'll see just how gullible regular humans are. Cold reading, hot reading etc are techniques being employed by all these charlatans from the daddy G.O. and the cele prophet.
The problem i personally face is that when i read foreign authors on skepticism, reason, blah blah, i find it easy to understand and usually enjoy the debunking. What i intend researching is the african/naija bu.ll sh.it. By that i mean:
1. People's di.cks disappearing after talking to strangers.
2. Blood money.
3. Ofe(teleport).
4. Ayeta(bulletproof jazz).
5. Some crazy stories from OPC and all these Iriri Aiye folks.

Some people are so convinced about the existence of all this stuffs though some are honest to admit they have not seen some. . .most people are just dam.n sure these things are real. Which way?

Trust me, I have "been there". One of my very close relatives in Nigeria is an Ifa priest, and he is one of the most revered in Ijebu-Igbo, Ogun state, and in Ifa communities worldwide. But due to my close interactions with him, I have come to know what many people don't know: there is a lot of bullsh1t masked as spirituality there. Most of it is placebo, intelligent guesswork, logical deductions and a general understanding of the human psyche. I choose not to go into details in order not to offend the awo (initiated) people that are on Nairaland.

@KunleOshob:

KunleOshob:

Interesting topic 

My contribution: Actually it as been scientifically proven that the human brain emits Beta, Alpha, Delta & Theta waves. This is a very new area in science and research / knowledge in this field is very limited, however it as shown a lot of potential as experiments have shown that man can interact control his computer using brainwaves to control it instead of a key board or a mouse. Actually the potentials of this technology are immense even though it is still in it's early stage the U.S militery is already spending millions on financing scientists researching the brain wave phenomena. The question now begs, what are we doing with brain waves we apparently don't use or can even comprehend? Personally i suspect it maybe there for communication with the supernatural. It might even be the means by which God knows what is in our mind. Ability to be able to manipulate and control brain waves would give man tremendous power over other men becos you would be able to control them and manipulate them. You can imagine the potentials of this "technology". The use and manipulation of this brain wave technology might actually be what is responsible for a good number of paranormal occurences. For more on brainwave technology check the link below:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6661974/

Interesting article, bro. I visited the site and read through. Call me a skeptic, but personally I see no big deal right there. There are wires connecting his neural network interface with an input port on a PC? That is clearly normal if you ask me! Electrical signals fire off at the nerve fibres, so I believe they can be adequately tapped and the information relayed to control the PC. What would be a big deal to me is if the information is passed across to the computer wirelessly i.e. NO connection whatsoever.

The "no physical connection and yet we can evaluate things paranormally" concept is what holds telekinesis, teleportation, remote viewing and other such hoaxes together. Otherwise if there was a physical connection, we would examine such a physical connection scrutinably only to find out that it's just everyday stuff masked as a paranormal experience.

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@toneyb & nuclearboy: You guys no go kill me with laughter abeg! 

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@viaro & mazaje: I believe that my perspective on these complications about proving the supernatural is this:
One may prove the supernatural, but one may not always do so BECAUSE the physical does not control the supernatural. It's vice versa, the supernatural controlling the physical at its own will.
Thus, Randi may never get his winner, and even if he does, it would just be a matter of fate (luck?) for the person to achieve the same results 100% throughout the trial period. Real supernatural things don't work that way.

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@benodic:

benodic:

as soul nothing is impossible.

levitation, seeing the future, telekinesis, etc.

but before you can develop these skills it takes years of discipline  and training.

if you misuse any of them for personal gain or for ego trips you will lose it faster than you can say jack robinson 

Actually, I believe those things you listed are the result of years of delusion and deception, and not years of training and discipline. My opinion.

On the other hand, it may be possible to see the future, etc BUT it will never be at the control of the human being involved. When a human being expects to be able to control seeing and manipulating the future the same way he controls his own breathing and eating impulses, delusion wears a marvelous crown on that person's head.

Let me come in here.

viaro:

Sorry mazaje, no biggy there. Randi is a charlatan and knows it so very well. He may wave his charade in front of people who lick up his boots and never take time to source him out, that is why he appeals to you.

Randi maybe a charlatan but so are all the other psychics out there who claim to be what they are not at all. They just go about waving their charade in front of gullible people who never take time to source them out that is why they appeal to people like you. Thanks to Randi we now know how the charlatans operate and the methods they use.

We know why - because he does not really have any fairplay up his sleeves. We can as well say that nobody needs to take up any challenges from Randi - that is what he wants his chorus singers to say so that he could go off dancing on ice. Randi ought to face up to to those challenges IF he has any credibility at all - that is the point.

This is just lame and ridiculous, Just like mazaje has said Randi does not need to face any challenge, He was the one that put forth a challenge to any psychic who believes he is real to come forward and demonstrate his psychic abilities and win 1 million dollars but instead of coming forward and doing that very simple task some thing the psychics claim they can do or have been doing all the time, the charlatans are instead throwing some bogus challenge around just to save their faces as mazaje pointed out. If they truly have the ability why not just go demonstrate it and embarrass Randi or shut him up once and for all?

Rubbish. Let Randi REPRODUCE what he calls 'hoaxes' and stop running away from those challenges. Why is that proving too hard for him? Let him keep his US$1 million (it is not his personal money) - but let him face up to serious challenges from intellectuals with scientific protocols. Why is that a hard thing for him to do?

This is just too lame, Randi's challenge is for those so called psychics to come forward and demonstrate their psychic abilities under controlled and watchful eyes of others(in the open). The fact they they are not willing to come forward and attempt or take on his challenge says more about them and their so called abilities NOT him. The so called "intellectual with scientific protocols" do not exist because the consensus of the scientific community is that psychic abilities have not been demonstrated to exist.

Yes, Randi is ready to shift the goal posts and decide on who to debunk - the charlatans he knows only too well will fall face down for his trickery. He also knows he will be humiliated free of charge by those who are still waiting for him to face up to the challenges they have for him. Let him use his trickery to REPRODUCE the same results.

I really liked what mazaje said that Randi is willing to use trickery to unmask, debunk and otherwise humiliate psychics and paranormal researchers. Like mazaje rightly said the irony truly escapes them. There was this guy that could walk on hot coal. He demonstrated that ability in front of his audience and fans. Randi came there and was truly astonished and openly said that he did not understand the trick behind the guy's ability. He then threw a challenge for the guy to do the same with boiling water and hot oil, stating that if the guy could walk on hot coal for about 50 seconds (or there about) without hurting his feet, he should also be able to put his feet in boiling water or boiling oil for the same duration and come out unscathed.

The guy quickly refused and began to attack Randi as usual. I completely agree with Randi if the guy could walk on hot coal why not step his feet in boiling water or boiling oil for the same duration. Randi uses the same tricks they use on people to discredit them and that irony is what escapes them

Nothing new - we all know that there are frauds. So Randi picks on them (the frauds) but he escapes the challenge from those who are not going to kid with him. If it was not for these others who challenge him, the same Randi would have been riding high on gullible praise singers who excuse his hoaxes.

The same hoaxes they use in deceiving people and collecting their money is the same thing Randi uses against them. Randi may be a hoax but so are the fraudulent and unscrupulous people that go about deceiving people and collecting their money.

It shows you are not in current news, dude. Go and find out more about the so-called "integrity" of Randi you're praising here before you eat back your words. If Randi goes about lying to people, he should be named and shamed in the same way that he takes pleasure at naming and shaming charlatans - that is the whole point in those who have challenged him. It is a shame that some people will excuse Randi from real issues and claim that he does not need to take up any challenge - that is simply a lazy way of thinking and a ready-made escape hatch that Randi enjoys so well.

The people "challenging" were pushed to the wall and had to fight back. Since Randi is a person that revels in exposing their trickery and fraudulent activities, They just had to find a way to shut him up, Not because they so called abilities are real but because they know very well that they will loose their means of lively hood or their source of prestige should they allow Randi to keep exposing them. The challenge is very simple and still stands. If you think you have the ability to display supernatural powers go display it and win a million dollars, throwing your own challenge to Randi without displaying yours under scientific scrutiny is nothing but an act of face saving.

InesQor:

@viaro & mazaje: I believe that my perspective on these complications about proving the supernatural is this:
One may prove the supernatural, but one may not always do so BECAUSE the physical does not control the supernatural. It's vice versa, the supernatural controlling the physical at its own will.
Thus, Randi may never get his winner, and even if he does, it would just be a matter of fate (luck?) for the person to achieve the same results 100% throughout the trial period. Real supernatural things don't work that way.

I don't think you needed to clarify. We know that Randi is never going to award that US$1 million - first, because it is NOT his money; and second, the guy is a cheat and shameless loud mouth who has no results in his sham of 'debunking'. I want to see Randi replicating the same "walking on hot coals" that toneyb talked about rather than making all sorts of cheap and very lousy noise in this thread.

WHERE is Randi's replication by himself of walking on hot coals? Let him do it by "luck" and keep his award that is not his in the first place.

@toneyb,

You have a subtle way of taking us for a ride - and I really don't appreciate that. Where you have sometime in the past been sensible, I have looked past the notion of you being an atheist and appreciated what you had to say. But excuse my being blunt with you in this one.

toneyb:

Randi maybe a charlatan but so are all the other psychics out there who claim to be what they are not at all.

That is the usual atheistic skeptic cry. When you guys do not know how to save face, you declare everything and everybody to be as fraudulent as your own charlatans. And Randi so likes to read this cheap lullabies from those of you who like to make these broad categorizations.

They just go about waving their charade in front of gullible people who never take time to source them out that is why they appeal to people like you.

Don't you see how very empty your drivel is? The one thing you can't cement on others who call Randi's bluff is the accusation that we "never take time to source" Randi and his ilk out! This is why in my previous reply it is obvious that Randi does not appeal to people like me - which was why I made clear that I would not bet a dime on his silly ass. The guy is a cheap cheat - if you have any salient thing to do other than lick his boots, go source him out and stop being so deceitfully apologetic on his behalf!

Thanks to Randi we now know how the charlatans operate and the methods they use.

And thanks to those who call Randi out for the charlatan he is - no biggy there. Randi as a charlatan "debunking" charlatans - what news is in there? But let him go near those who will not kid with his roadside show and let's see how much of "debunking" he would muster.

This is just lame and ridiculous, Just like mazaje has said Randi does not need to face any challenge, He was the one that put forth a challenge to any psychic who believes he is real to come forward and demonstrate his psychic abilities and win 1 million dollars but instead of coming forward and doing that very simple task some thing the psychics claim they can do or have been doing all the time, the charlatans are instead throwing some bogus challenge around just to save their faces as mazaje pointed out. If they truly have the ability why not just go demonstrate it and embarrass Randi or shut him up once and for all?

Your whole garboil is LAME with a capital L. Randi is a dupe, we know. The same thing he set up is what others have set up - even at a cheaper rate! The US$1 million is NOT his money, so cry all you want. If Randi has any credibility, let him face up to those who have exposed him for his charade. You don't think there's anything there? No surprises - because Randi enjoys the charade his boot-lickers put up in his defence so he can ride high on your ridiculous whinging here.

This is just too lame, Randi's challenge is for those so called psychics to come forward and demonstrate their psychic abilities under controlled and watchful eyes of others(in the open).

The same thing Randi has been offered - the clock is still ticking and he has NOT been able to face up. Please tell me why instead of crying on his behalf.

toneyb:
The fact they they are not willing to come forward and attempt or take on his challenge says more about them and their so called abilities NOT him.

The fact that Randi is NOT willing to face up to them says volumes about his charade - especially where his credibility is now in doubt. We know Randi always wants to shift the goal posts: charlatans always do so in order to come claiming some cheap glory. The guys who are challenging Randi have offered him all fairness - fairness that he cannot refuse - so that this matter should be settled once and for all. Randi enjoys attacking the credibility of others; but he also enjoys people like you who try to shield him from facing up to real challenges when the chips are down.

The so called "intellectual with scientific protocols" do not exist because the consensus of the scientific community is that psychic abilities have not been demonstrated to exist.

Why are you lying through your teeth? Where has the "scientific community" drawn that conclusion with such finality as you're trying to deceive yourself into believing? The intellectuals with scientific protocols indeed exist - if you only but did a little check on you own rather than sit lazily behind a PC making such silly and ridiculous statements tantamount to nothing other than gutless lying! The way you atheists just make such noise about the "scientific community" is awesome - but shameful. Please grow up!

I really liked what mazaje said that Randi is willing to use trickery to unmask, debunk and otherwise humiliate psychics and paranormal researchers.

Should anyone be surprised about that? Should I even be surprised that you would celebrate a man who uses trickery instead of sincerity and fairness? This is why I am laughing at the ridiculous inclination of atheists to celebrate falsehood and trickery while they make excuses for real case scenarios proffering openness and fairness! I'll chalk that up so next time I know it's no longer news that atheists also celebrate trickery and falsehood. Says nothing, though, about WHY Randi is running like hell from the challenges open to him. He knows - because no 'tricks' under the sun will help him produce the same effects. Let him DARE.

Like mazaje rightly said the irony truly escapes them. There was this guy that could walk on hot coal. He demonstrated that ability in front of his audience and fans. Randi came there and was truly astonished and openly said that he did not understand the trick behind the guy's ability. He then threw a challenge for the guy to do the same with boiling water and hot oil, stating that if the guy could walk on hot coal for about 50 seconds (or there about) without hurting his feet, he should also be able to put his feet in boiling water or boiling oil for the same duration and come out unscathed.

Story! I could BUT laugh at the sheer stupidity in that narration. Dude, what have I been saying all along? WHY does/did Randi NOT walk on hot coals for even 10 seconds? And he has the idiocy of priding himself as a "debunker"? HAHAHAHAHA!! You this man, please go and sit down in a small corner!

I don't care how many seconds Randi wanted to see the act that surprised him. Calling for the same act for 50 seconds will not make any difference. The fact was that Randi saw but could NOT deny that such an event took place! LET RANDI PRODUCE THE SAME RESULTS for the same amount of time as he saw in that act - 5 secs, 10 secs, 15 secs - doesn't matter: Just let him replicate the same results with his own "amazing Randi trickery". That's all! WHY DID YOU NOT REPORT THAT HE DID?

Now assuming the same guy walked on hot coals for the requested 50 seconds, would that change Randi's mind one bit? Of course not - and we know why! 

toneyb:
The guy quickly refused and began to attack Randi as usual. I completely agree with Randi if the guy could walk on hot coal why not step his feet in boiling water or boiling oil for the same duration. Randi uses the same tricks they use on people to discredit them and that irony is what escapes them

WHY then did Randi NOT produce the same results for that little amount of time BEFORE asking anyone else to do same?

The thing that amazes me is that you could be so gullible to "completely agree with Randi" - whereas that guy was no fool! The guy may not have claimed that his own ability was in walking on hot water. What he claimed was walking on hot coals - he demonstrated it, Randi got amazed ... but being unable to REPLICATE the same results and did not know a single trick to do the same, Randi dismisses the guy. And people like you sing your halleluyah chorus: hooray! If there's anything more idiotic under the sun, I don't know it!

We know that Randi NEVER seeks objectivity. What I would like to know from you are these:

(a) Randi agrees that the guy could walk on hot coals: and the guy did. Randi could not replicate the same thing but tries to DISCREDIT the whole thing - "Randi uses the same tricks they use on people to discredit them" yada-yada ... BUT the same Randi could NOT replicate what he had just witnessed! Does that not tell you something, toneyb?

(b) If Randi could have done the same thing, surely Randi himself could have used the same tricks to walk on boiling water: please tell me - where did Randi go ahead to walk on boiling water?? And yet, the simple "trick" of walking on hot coals far eluded the same randi?

Look, toneyb, you're merely carping! If Randi really knew how to "debunk" what he could NOT DENY before his very eyes, and IF indeed he knew that particular trick that he had just witnessed, we would expect at the very least of all possibilities that he would REPLICATE the same thing! Afterall, did you not say that "Randi uses the same tricks they use on people . . ."?? If Randi COULD NOT REPLICATE that very thing, he's a cheap cheat who is known more for cheap talk than any seriousness to produce results!

And oh, btw ... you can cry all you want for Randi in another example - it wouldn't make any difference from the fact that he's still a lousy noise maker with no results when it comes to real stuff. Go take a look rather than blindly canvassing for him.

The same hoaxes they use in deceiving people and collecting their money is the same thing Randi uses against them. Randi may be a hoax but so are the fraudulent and unscrupulous people that go about deceiving people and collecting their money.

WHY DID RANDI NOT REPLICATE THE HOT COALS SCENARIO that was performed before his very eyes? Did he run out of "trickery"? WHY did he not replicate what he saw, toneyb? Your talk is CHEAP-CHEAP-CHEAP!!

The people "challenging" were pushed to the wall and had to fight back.

Tall dream. They were not pushed to the wall - that is the lie atheists will tell themselves so as to make them feel god on randi's behalf! Nobody's losing sleep for challenging him - and even those who were once amazed by the so-called 'Amazing Randi' have felt more embarrased on his behalf than anything else. Rather, it is because Randi is pushed to the wall that is why he often shifts the goal posts - like the scenario just panned out above. We want to see Randi WALK ON HOT COALS - or better still, less cheap talk and more REPLICATION of results!!

Since Randi is a person that revels in exposing their trickery and fraudulent activities, They just had to find a way to shut him up, Not because they so called abilities are real but because they know very well that they will loose their means of lively hood or their source of prestige should they allow Randi to keep exposing them. The challenge is very simple and still stands. If you think you have the ability to display supernatural powers go display it and win a million dollars, throwing your own challenge to Randi without displaying yours under scientific scrutiny is nothing but an act of face saving.

Em, the highlighted - "Not because the so called abilities are real" - WHY did Randi not reproduce what he witnessed and could NOT DENY?!?

I'm thoroughly ashamed on your behalf that you could narrate an incident affirming the fact it was real which Randi attested to in witnessing it - but you are the same person trying so hard to deny it all at once. The fact is that neither you nor Randi and his gang of 'amazing cheats' who revel in deceiving themselves, are looking for genuine demonstration of what they question. You guys will always try to deny the obvious so you can feel good about yourselves.

Next time try replicating or reproducing results with/without "trickery" before enslaving yourself to the amazingly cheap Randi.

viaro:

@toneyb,

You have a subtle way of taking us for a ride - and I really don't appreciate that. Where you have sometime in the past been sensible, I have looked past the notion of you being an atheist and appreciated what you had to say. But excuse my being blunt with you in this one.

. No need to get all worked up my brother.

That is the usual atheistic skeptic cry. When you guys do not know how to save face, you declare everything and everybody to be as fraudulent as your own charlatans. And Randi so likes to read this cheap lullabies from those of you who like to make these broad categorizations.

Viaro do you know any pastor, psychic, babalawo or that can fully demonstrate his so called abilities in front of every body under full scientific scrutiny if yes name the person and put us all to shame once and for all? All your endless cries will not help you.

Don't you see how very empty your drivel is? The one thing you can't cement on others who call Randi's bluff is the accusation that we "never take time to source" Randi and his ilk out! This is why in my previous reply it is obvious that Randi does not appeal to people like me - which was why I made clear that I would not bet a dime on his silly ass. The guy is a cheap cheat - if you have any salient thing to do other than lick his boots, go source him out and stop being so deceitfully apologetic on his behalf!

And who are YOU? Your position in the scheme of things is WHAT? Of what importance is your opinion in anything? Are you a psychic? Why does Randi have to appeal to people like you? Randi might be a cheap cheat but so are all the others that can not come out and fully demonstrate their so called abilities and show that it can stand scientific scrutiny.

And thanks to those who call Randi out for the charlatan he is - no biggy there. Randi as a charlatan "debunking" charlatans - what news is in there? But let him go near those who will not kid with his roadside show and let's see how much of "debunking" he would muster.

And who are those that will not kid with his road side show? . Will they just go show their psychic ability and shut him up forever and show to the entire world that they truly have the abilities they claim to posses and show that he is a charlatan?

Your whole garboil is LAME with a capital L. Randi is a dupe, we know. The same thing he set up is what others have set up - even at a cheaper rate! The US$1 million is NOT his money, so cry all you want. If Randi has any credibility, let him face up to those who have exposed him for his charade. You don't think there's anything there? No surprises - because Randi enjoys the charade his boot-lickers put up in his defence so he can ride high on your ridiculous whinging here.

So what if it is not his money? The money is still up for grabs. Who are those that have "exposed" him? . Will they quickly go and show that their abilities are real and can stand scientific scrutiny? Will they do that and shut Randi forever? Crying endlessly without taking the test will neither save you nor the guys whose boots you are continuously licking.

The same thing Randi has been offered - the clock is still ticking and he has NOT been able to face up. Please tell me why instead of crying on his behalf.

Randi did not say that he is a psychic and he has never said that psychic abilities does not exists, all he said is that anybody with such abilities should come forward and display them under some scientific scrutiny for people to see how real those abilities are. That is a very SIMPLE request for any body that truly has the ability and can demonstrate it. The same charlatans are all over televisions and in various show displaying their so called abilities no? Some of them even have temples and claim a very high success rate, Will you and them stop crying all over the place and take up the challenge?

viaro:

The fact that Randi is NOT willing to face up to them says volumes about his charade - especially where his credibility is now in doubt. We know Randi always wants to shift the goal posts: charlatans always do so in order to come claiming some cheap glory. The guys who are challenging Randi have offered him all fairness - fairness that he cannot refuse - so that this matter should be settled once and for all. Randi enjoys attacking the credibility of others; but he also enjoys people like you who try to shield him from facing up to real challenges when the chips are down.

Another very lame talk. Randi is not a psychic, He is an ex magician and a skeptic. He might not know all their tricks but that does not mean its still not a trick. All he is telling them to do is come and display their so called psychic powers under the radar and let people know how real it is, but as usual instead of them taking up the challenge they are all over the place(including their praise singers like you) attacking Randi for failing to take up their own devious challenge.

Why are you lying through your teeth? Where has the "scientific community" drawn that conclusion with such finality as you're trying to deceive yourself into believing? The intellectuals with scientific protocols indeed exist - if you only but did a little check on you own rather than sit lazily behind a PC making such silly and ridiculous statements tantamount to nothing other than gutless lying! The way you atheists just make such noise about the "scientific community" is awesome - but shameful. Please grow up!

. My guy no be fight, you are the one that needs to grow up. I got this from wikipedia it cites about 5 different sources that says that the consensus of the scientific community is that psychic abilities have NOt been scientifically shown to exist. Here is just one out of the 5 sources. 

"^ Reuters (5 September 2003). "[i]Telepathy gets academic in Sweden". CNN. http://edition.cnn.com/2003/EDUCATION/09/05/offbeat.telepathy.reut/index.html. Retrieved 9 March 2009. "Despite decades of experimental research ,  there is still no proof that gifts such as telepathy and the ability to see the future exist, mainstream scientists say.".

It also cites those who wrote the science standards for the California State Board of Education in its sources. Vairo please name just ONE respectable or mainstream scientific body that have stated or established that psychic abilities exists scientifically or for ever keep your mouth shut.

Should anyone be surprised about that? Should I even be surprised that you would celebrate a man who uses trickery instead of sincerity and fairness? This is why I am laughing at the ridiculous inclination of atheists to celebrate falsehood and trickery while they make excuses for real case scenarios proffering openness and fairness! I'll chalk that up so next time I know it's no longer news that atheists also celebrate trickery and falsehood. Says nothing, though, about WHY Randi is running like hell from the challenges open to him. He knows - because no 'tricks' under the sun will help him produce the same effects. Let him DARE.

Randi has ALWAYS been open about his magic tricks so there is nothing new there. It his sincerity and fairness that lead him to set up the challenge, but this time he wanted to really know if those shouting at long distances really have anything of value up their sleeves to present instead of empty noise and tricks.

Story! I could BUT laugh at the sheer stupidity in that narration. Dude, what have I been saying all along? WHY does/did Randi NOT walk on hot coals for even 10 seconds? And he has the idiocy of priding himself as a "debunker"? HAHAHAHAHA!! You this man, please go and sit down in a small corner!

Randi does not claim to have the ability to walk on hot coals, The other guy obviously has developed some tricks that enable him to walk on coal but instead of coming out and telling people he assigns it to some supernatural cause which is what Randi is really after. If the guy's supernatural agent can enable him walk on hot coal for about 50 seconds then why not also enable him stand the heat of boiling water for 50 seconds. Coal burning at 100degress and water or oil boiling at that temperature and the same no? The guy is obviously a trickster and there is no supernatural agent that is giving him any ability at all. He obviously developed the trick.

I don't care how many seconds Randi wanted to see the act that surprised him. Calling for the same act for 50 seconds will not make any difference. The fact was that Randi saw but could NOT deny that such an event took place! LET RANDI PRODUCE THE SAME RESULTS for the same amount of time as he saw in that act - 5 secs, 10 secs, 15 secs - doesn't matter: Just let him replicate the same results with his own "amazing Randi trickery". That's all! WHY DID YOU NOT REPORT THAT HE DID?

Stop shouting my brother. Randi is NOT a psychic and he does not claim to have such abilities. He is only interested in how real such claims are. An external agent that can make you walk on hot coal for 50s seconds should be able to guide you through boiling water of the same temperature no? The fact that the irony escapes you is laughable.

Now assuming the same guy walked on hot coals for the requested 50 seconds, would that change Randi's mind one bit? Of course not - and we know why! 

How do you know that if the guy had walked on boiling water or hot oil that would not have changed Randi's mind? Are you a mind reader?

toneyb:

. No need to get all worked up my brother.

I wasn't getting worked up at all.

Viaro do you know any pastor, psychic, babalawo or that can fully demonstrate his so called abilities in front of every body under full scientific scrutiny if yes name the person and put us all to shame once and for all? All your endless cries will not help you.

I know some who have demonstrated the supernatural. You named at least one guy whose demonstration Randi witnessed. If Randi could not replicate what he saw, please continue with your cries and msiery free of charge. If only you were actually looking for fairness, I would oblige you; but since you are beginning to sound like a joker, I could let you continue.

And who are YOU? Your position in the scheme of things is WHAT? Of what importance is your opinion in anything? Are you a psychic? Why does Randi have to appeal to people like you? Randi might be a cheap cheat but so are all the others that can not come out and fully demonstrate their so called abilities and show that it can stand scientific scrutiny.

Dude, easy. Did I ask Randi to appeal to ME?!? Are you drunk or what? WHERE did I ask Randi to appeal to me? BTW, who are YOU in the scheme of things, toneyb? Since you want to start acting like a drunk, let's have a go at it - just what is your qualification in these things? Or better still, what is Randi's scientific qualification? Please pack yourself one corner!

If you know a dot about 'scientific scrutiny', please tell me what "science" establishes that UNLESS the guy who walks on hot coals repeats the same thing for 50 secs, then it is not "real"? What science determines that it would require 50 secs for anything to be real whereas Randi neither could replicate what he saw nor could he DENY it?

Dude, please read well before sounding more like a joker.

And who are those that will not kid with his road side show? . Will they just go show their psychic ability and shut him up forever and show to the entire world that they truly have the abilities they claim to posses and show that he is a charlatan?

If you did a lil background check you would have seen it. The challenge is out there - go sob all you want to Randi the charlatan - he likes so well that people can cry on his behalf that is why you never take time to source him out before you come celebrating him. Let Randi go over to them and put them all out of their miseries - just like he saw the guy walking on hot coals but could NOT DENY it! I'm waiting for REPLICATED RESULTS from your beloved Randi, toneyb.

So what if it is not his money? The money is still up for grabs. Who are those that have "exposed" him? . Will they quickly go and show that their abilities are real and can stand scientific scrutiny? Will they do that and shut Randi forever? Crying endlessly without taking the test will neither save you nor the guys whose boots you are continuously licking.

Oh c',mon, dude. Did you not say that Randi has 1 million dollars earlier? Quickly changing your mind about that? Hmmm. Oh, yada ... I forgot: atheists like you like so well to revel in Randi's trickery, no? Look, don't let him continue to deceive you with loud noise making that he can't replicate, get it?

Now a word about 'scientific scrutiny' - please shut up! Randi is NO SCIENTIST but a sham! The drop-out from high school is what you're presenting on the platform of "scientific scrutiny". Dude, you need a wake-up call!

'Scientific scrutiny' indeed. If you have someone credible with sound qualification - EARNED (not dubiously awarded) - then please let's talk. Celebrating a charlatan who's a dropout for the 'scientific scrutiny' that he won't know what to do with if he saw one, that is simply comedy central! Does it now baffle you as to WHY Randi will never take up SERIOUS challenge where fairness based on intelligence and scientific protocol are on ground? Pack yourself into one small garage, please! I forgot Randi is a loud mouth!

Randi did not say that he is a psychic and he has never said that psychic abilities does not exists, all he said is that anybody with such abilities should come forward and display them under some scientific scrutiny for people to see how real those abilities are.

Hang on, dude. So you do have a high-five for someone who's not a psychic to then be properly qualified to draw conclusions about psychic realities, yes? Clap for yourself. Oh, maybe I got that wrong - so let's try again: that Randi has 'never said that psychic abilities do not exist' means what exactly: that he believes that they do exist, yes?

Please don't kid yourself. Randi, if he believes that such things exist, would NOT be placing a million bucks to disprove that same thing! It is because Randi DOES NOT believe that such things are real, that is why he places such a stake as a skeptic to DISCREDIT, DENOUNCE, and DISMISS them! This is why the talk about Randi's "scientific scrutiny" is ghost-ship talk. What correlation is there between such "scientific scrutiny" and Randi's confirmed sham of trickery?

That is a very SIMPLE request for any body that truly has the ability and can demonstrate it. The same charlatans are all over televisions and in various show displaying their so called abilities no? Some of them even have temples and claim a very high success rate, Will you and them stop crying all over the place and take up the challenge?

First, I have not claimed that I have any such abilities. Second, YOU have narrated that one guy walked on hot coals and Randi nowhere claimed that it never happened. Third, if Randi has credibility beyond his celebrated noise, WHY has he not REPLICATED the same thing but rather boasted that he uses the same tricks to discredit people? Would you please wisen up and stop deceiving yourself with your doublespeak?