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Abortion Should Be Made Legal by bonheur: 5:59pm On Mar 10, 2007
recently,i heard about the story about a young girl of about 20 who died in the process of carrying out an abortion.so many people said different things about the whole incidence.it was then i knew that abortion was not even legal.
maybe if the girl went to a general practitioner she may not have died.maybe Nigeria should follow the steps of Portugal and make it legal in extreme cases to reduce the incidence of death through abortion.
what do nairalanders thinks?
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by abdkabir(m): 8:04pm On Mar 10, 2007
I believe it should be Regulated!
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by JosBoy4Lif(m): 8:05pm On Mar 10, 2007
I say no to abortion and capital punishment!
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by cuteass1(f): 2:35am On Mar 11, 2007
I never knew abortion was illegal. . . . . i, personally i'm against the idea of abortion, i don't think anybody should have the right to execute another soul,  . . . . .  .BUT on the other hand i think abortion should be made legal. . . . . . it should be a thing of choice, if someone insists on having it despite the religious consequences then that should be their decision to make

Atleast this would put to stop the practices pf all these good-for-nothing-quack-doctors and save some of our young girls from untimely death, that should be God's decision to make wink
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by 4Play(m): 2:51am On Mar 11, 2007
I don't see how the fact that some people die from backdoor abortions should result in the legalisation of abortion.We should not make it possible to terminate more life in order to save the lives of the intending terminators

The focus should not be to protect adults but to protect the unborn who are entirely at the mercy of us and hence cannot protect themselves

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Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by cuteass1(f): 3:05am On Mar 11, 2007
4 Play:

I don't see how the fact that some people die from backdoor abortions should result in the legalisation of abortion.We should not make it possible to terminate more life in order to save the lives of the intending terminators

The focus should not be to protect adults but to protect the unborn who are entirely at the mercy of us and hence cannot protect themselves

deary, i agree totally with your point of view but the fact is that we think we're saving lives when we actually are not. The same amount of girls that would have visited the reputed doctors are still the same ones that visit the quacks,  . . . . and i know the fact that some of these good doctors carry out the deed if the pregnant girl in question is a "family friend" or someone he knows so why should the less-priviledged-to-know-a-doctor ones suffer for lack of contacts and connections,  . . . .

Here in Norway, i know it is legal but very few do the act, so i don't think it lies in the legalization of it but what a country thinks of pregnancy outside wedlock wink
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by Ruyinosa(m): 9:04am On Mar 11, 2007
shocked angry No, no, no. Abortion should never be made legal. Why? You ask why? there would be more killing of innocent unborn babies who have the right to live like their fathers and mothers. They have every right to live!
If abortion is made legal, there would be an astronomical increase in the rate of promisquity -more sexual sins, more unfaithfulness to marriage vows, increased disregard for parental advice and other multiplier effects.
If abortion is made legal, we would be killing our would be engineers, doctors, bankers, pastors, imams, scientists, pilots, lawyers, etc.
What we should be thinking about is how to make sure that unborn babies are sfaely delivered by their mothers no matter the circumstances that led to their conception and no matter the situation the pregnancy has resulted to or no matter the circumstances the pregnancy has brought the parents into. The government should do all to ensure this.
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by naijacutee(f): 10:44am On Mar 11, 2007
bonheur:

maybe if the girl went to a general practitioner she may not have died.


No, maybe if she had not condoned in illicit sex she would not have died.

**Update** I cannot believe the extent people go to avoid taking responsibility for their actions. So now it's the government fault that you didn't protect yourself when you chose to have illicit sex and get yourself pregnant? We women are at the receiving end of the consequences of thoughtless actions. Please let us think more!

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Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by Coco29(f): 10:51am On Mar 11, 2007
naijacutee:


No, maybe if she had not condoned in illicit sex she would not have died.

**Update** I cannot believe the extent people go to avoid taking responsibility for their actions. So now it's the government fault that you didn't protect yourself when you chose to have illicit sex and get yourself pregnant? We women are at the receiving end of the consequences of thoughtless actions. Please let us think more!



yes we should think more, not all pregnancies happen because the woman had been irresponsible, condoms can break, birth control can fail.

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Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by TayoD(m): 5:35pm On Mar 12, 2007
@cute-ass,

BUT on the other hand i think abortion should be made legal. . . . . . it should be a thing of choice, if someone insists on having it despite the religious consequences then that should be their decision to make

Let me rephrase your statement the way I understand it. BUT on the other hand i think murder should be made legal. . . . . . murder should be a thing of choice, if someone insists on murder despite the religious consequences then that should be their decision to make.

In my humble opinion, the greatness, worth and civility of a society, government or organization can be measured by the way it treats its weakest and most fragile members.  Our unborn children are the weakest members of our society and how we treat them says a lot about how great and civil we are.

Taking inspiration from the scriptures that say "a living dog is better than a dead lion", Rev Chris Okotie said the following "Life in its basest form is still superior to death".

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Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by jaybaby(f): 5:59pm On Mar 12, 2007
Legal or not pple will still DIE cry cry cry cry
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by cuteass1(f): 7:35pm On Mar 12, 2007
@ TayoD

please give me the right to tell you that you're accusing me of something i didn't say and i'm very very sad sad about it but i'll forgive you anyways cheesy

If you read through my first post thorouhly, you'ld have noticed the fact that peronally i'm AGAINST abortion, but you still have to remember the fact that some of these girls don't choose to be pregnant

what of girls that get raped at the age of 15, so instead of you to be preaching against abortion/murder, why don't you start by preaching against the acts that lead to pregnancy , RAPE / ADULTERY / FORNICATION , but then unwanted pregnancy can even happen to a married couple that is on family planning.

In europe, abortion is legal, but that dosen't mean that the hospitals are filled with girls who are there on the basis of abortion , one thing is clear, no matter whether abortion is legalized or not, it won't put an end to the act of abortion

Are you trying to say that all the countries where abortion is legal, that they're supporting the act of murder, i don't think so??

All these young girls that get pregnanted by their masters, and carry the pregnancy to the fullest and at the end of the day, they dumpthe child in a bin, i guess you think that's a better idea?? not to mention the psychological and mental torture the girl in question has to go through.

Though i don't support abortion, i still stand on the grounds that abortion should be made legal wink
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by trinigirl1(f): 2:52am On Mar 13, 2007
@TayoD

Who is  guilty of "murder", the mother-to-be or the doctor? Maybe legally she's guilty of conspiracy to commit murder.  smiley

The legal ramifications fall on the medical practitioner and not the mother of the child and she induces labour herself and aborts the child anyway.

Is legalizing abortion really legalisation of murder or simply a proper, safe medical procedure?  Murder itself is conceived out of hate and rage.

If the mother has already made the decision to abort, and human souls should be valued, moreso those who are unsaved, would it not be better to make it legal so that her life would be saved?

Sin is sin, and I would hate for anyone to die in such a state.

In my opinion, the mother needs to be protected as well.
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by Grouppoint(m): 3:24pm On Mar 13, 2007
If abortion is legal in Europe, what, if I may ask, has been the incidence of abortion and has it been more rampant than when it was still illegal?

Would legalising abortion increase the rate?

What about a partial law that allows abortion in cases of rape, serious disabilities to be carried.

From a biblical point of view, pls consider this:
Jesus would probably not have been born since His mum was pregnant without a spouse. If abortion were legal in that time, she just may have had one.
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by trinigirl1(f): 5:01pm On Mar 13, 2007
Grouppoint:


from a biblical point of view, please consider this:
Jesus would probably not have been born since His mum was pregnant without a spouse. If abortion were legal in that time, she just may have had one.

Grouppoint, i hope you don't really believe what you just typed there.
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by Sammy79(m): 6:14pm On Mar 13, 2007
, i think contributing on this thread ( in this religious forum) would make me see things from the religious aspect.

In my opinion as christian, abortion should not be legalized. My reason is simple: God calls it sin, and because He has given Governments the authority to deliver justice

and righteous rule, then we should support the Govt. in doing God's will by not supporting abortion.

, God is not a democrat and would not seek the opinions of men to decide if He will change His mind about sin, be it sin of any kind. If He calls abortion

a sin, then we should let it be and our Govt. should recognize it asuch by enforcing it through the powers of the Law. It's no more a matter that should

be determined by the choice of those who want to practice it or not.
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by 4Play(m): 8:51pm On Mar 16, 2007
@Trini Girl

You are making distinctions that are unknown to law.


Go and hire an assasin to kill someone and see whether they won't charge you for murder cheesy
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by trinigirl1(f): 12:03am On Mar 17, 2007
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@Trini Girl

You are making distinctions that are unknown to law.


Go and hire an assasin to kill someone and see whether they won't charge you for murder cheesy

On the contrary, the distinction is quite clear, since the actus reus and mens rea for murder can only exist if the person is 'in being' ie the victim must have been born, according to the english legal system, in order for it to be considered "murder".
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by 4Play(m): 12:08am On Mar 17, 2007
@trini girl

Give me a break.We were working under the presumption that there is a human to murder
trini_girl:

@TayoD

Who is  guilty of "murder", the mother-to-be or the doctor? Maybe legally she's guilty of conspiracy to commit murder.  smiley

The legal ramifications fall on the medical practitioner and not the mother of the child and she induces labour herself and aborts the child anyway.

You can't talk of conspiracy to commit murder if their is none to murder.

If there was a murder charge that could be made,both the mother and the doctor will be charged
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by trinigirl1(f): 12:11am On Mar 17, 2007
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@trini girl

Give me a break.We were working under the presumption that there is a human to murder
You can't talk of conspiracy to commit murder if their is none to murder.

If there was a murder charge that could be made,both the mother and the doctor will be charged

Well then let me clarify that I was only  jesting when I said she could probably be charged for conspiracy.  That in itself cannot exist under present law.  There is no presumption of murder since there is no 'human' to murder.

The fact remains that unborn babies, according to law, are not considered as humans 'in being'  wink, and therefore cannot be 'murdered'.  The mother will not be charged for such.

It's important to distinguish the legal, moral and religious issues when it comes to what we may define as murder.
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by 4Play(m): 12:18am On Mar 17, 2007
@trini girl

Touche. wink

However,this debate is not about whether abortion is murder in the statute books.


Its about the ethical issues sorrounding the practice.

NB:The person who put up the thread is probably in Nigeria where the law is different from Tinidad
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by trinigirl1(f): 12:29am On Mar 17, 2007
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@trini girl

Its about the ethical issues sorrounding the practice.

NB:The person who put up the post is probably in Nigeria where the law is different from Tinidad


Lol! Different law in Trinidad?  grin Funny.  I don't think the law lords would take too kindly to such a statement.

Is it ethical really or is it a legal issue?  The question is whether abortion should be made legal or not.  As soon as it becomes legal believe me it will become ethical in tandem for those who perform it.

You said in an earlier post that the focus should be on protecting the unborn and I disagree, since life is life regardless of how we might feel about a person's choice.

Rather than have someone overdose on some drug to get rid of the pregnancy, and kill themselves in the process, perhaps it would be better to give them the option of protecting themselves, and their lives.

I'm just saying so because whether or not we agree, it's still being done, and from a christian standpoint our focus should be on saving the soul of both mother and unborn.  If she dies then who wins?
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by 4Play(m): 12:46am On Mar 17, 2007
@trini

trini_girl:


I'm just saying so because whether or not we agree, it's still being done, and from a christian standpoint our focus should be on saving the soul of both mother and unborn.  If she dies then who wins?


If you agree that the unborn have a soul,it is rather incredible that you think the best course of action is to give the mother the licence to terminate the unborn.

Let's not kid ourselves,the number of women dieing from illicit abortion is relatively few compared to the number of abortions performed in the nations where the procedure is legal.While I know women who performed abortions,I do not know any woman has died during the procedure.

There are 2 interests here-that of the unborn and that of the mother.In the former,it has no say in the procedure and depends entirely on the latter.The latter can chose to perform or not to perform the procedure .The latter is more powerful than the former

I fail to see why the instrument of the law should be used to protect the powerful at the expense of the weak. Am sure if a poll was done of  people whose birth mothers contemplated aborting them,the overwhelming majority will express delight that the mother decided against it.
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by trinigirl1(f): 1:24am On Mar 17, 2007
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@trini

If you agree that the unborn have a soul,it is rather incredible that you think the best course of action is to give the mother the licence to terminate the unborn.


I wouldn't call it the best course of action.  The best course of action is to have the baby.  However, I have learned to separate law from personal belief.  Therefore, I can support the legalization of the procedure.

4 Play:

Let's not kid ourselves,the number of women dieing from illicit abortion is relatively few compared to the number of abortions performed in the nations where the procedure is legal.While I know women who performed abortions,I do not know any woman has died during the procedure.

Unless you have actual facts and statistical information to verify this statement it is irrelevant speculation.  You are opining  that just because you don't personally know of women who died from self induced abortion it's not a major problem.  I expect better.

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There are 2 interests here-that of the unborn and that of the mother.In the former,it has no say in the procedure and depends entirely on the latter.The latter can chose to perform or not to perform the procedure .The latter is more powerful than the former


And it is this power of CHOICE that every human being has the right to execute. When it comes down to it there is not such thing as PRO Life when it comes to abortion.  Every mother has the right to choose, whether she aborts in a hospital or for herself.


4 Play:

I fail to see why the instrument of the law should be used to protect the powerful at the expense of the weak. Am sure if a poll was done of  people whose birth mothers contemplated aborting them,the overwhelming majority will express delight that the mother decided against it.

Perhaps you should revisit the purpose and intent of the law.  I think where people are being mislead is that they believe that making abortion legal somehow empowers women to have abortions.  Again, whether or not it becomes a legal procedure, it will be done.

The focus of law is on the medical practitioner, as I said.  He/She is the only one who would suffer a detriment professionally.
Therefore, making it legal, only gives the doctor the peace of mind that if he/she is caught, there will be no legal repercussion.

On a personal level, I believe that abortion is wrong, but it does not mean that legally laws should not be passed to approve the procedure if it means giving the woman a safe place, counselling and even an opportunity to change her mind in the process.
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by naijacutee(f): 1:39am On Mar 17, 2007
My problem with this is that it's all really simple. So what if the law said abortion was legal? Would common sense still tell the mother, who had just willingly ended a future before it began, who out of her selfish will robbed a human out of his/her own free-will all in the name of choice. . . Would simple common sense tell this mother that this was right?

I believe that all humans - whatever the race, religion or belief . . . All psychologically healthy humans know what they ought to do and what they ought not to do.
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by trinigirl1(f): 1:58am On Mar 17, 2007
naijacutee:

My problem with this is that it's all really simple. So what if the law said abortion was legal? Would common sense still tell the mother, who had just willingly ended a future before it began, who out of her selfish will robbed a human out of his/her own free-will all in the name of choice. . . Would simple common sense tell this mother that this was right?

I believe that all humans - whatever the race, religion or belief . . . All psychologically healthy humans know what they ought to do and what they ought not to do.


You'll find that issues of common sense, right and wrong and law are relative. A mother doesnt make the choice to abort her child out of "common sense", it's usually a very painful decision in most cases, but it the end it seems like the "right" thing to do whether or not the "law" supports the procedure.

As humans, even though we may think we know right from wrong, our own moral compass usually deceives us into only doing what seems right for ourselves at the present moment in time. Aborting a child may seem to be the right thing to do at that time, under that particular circumstance.
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by 4Play(m): 1:58am On Mar 17, 2007
trini_girl:

I wouldn't call it the best course of action.  The best course of action is to have the baby.  However, I have learned to separate law from personal belief.  Therefore, I can support the legalization of the procedure.
I think it is startling that you acknowledge that the unborn has a soul but you simultaneuosly support the legalisation of the termination of this soul possesing entity

trini_girl:

Unless you have actual facts and statistical information to verify this statement it is irrelevant speculation.  You are opining  that just because you don't personally know of women who died from self induced abortion it's not a major problem.  I expect better.
The worst estimate(from the US) of the number of women who died from illicit abortions is 5,000-http://www.feminist.org/courts/roe.asp.That link is from a pro-abortion activist groups.That is 5,000 from an average of 1.2 million abortions.This worst case stat-5,000- is relatively few compared to the 1.2 million abortions

trini_girl:

And it is this power of CHOICE that every human being has the right to execute. When it comes down to it there is not such thing as PRO Life when it comes to abortion.  Every mother has the right to choose, whether she aborts in a hospital or for herself.


These are statements of opinion not facts.

trini_girl:

Perhaps you should revisit the purpose and intent of the law.  I think where people are being mislead is that they believe that making abortion legal somehow empowers women to have abortions.  Again, whether or not it becomes a legal procedure, it will be done.

No madame,the rate of abortions rises with its legalisation.The legalisation of abortions which you call for increases the rate of the termination of your acknowledged soul possesing entity http://www.euthanasia.com/usstat.html.Note the rise in the number of abortions from its legalisation(700,000 to about 1.4 million) within 7 years of its legalisation.

trini_girl:


The focus of law is on the medical practitioner, as I said.  He/She is the only one who would suffer a detriment professionally.
Therefore, making it legal, only gives the doctor the peace of mind that if he/she is caught, there will be no legal repercussion.
Once again,that depends on how the law is framed in each country.You shouldn't make sweeping statements
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by trinigirl1(f): 2:04am On Mar 17, 2007
4 play,

your opinion is duly noted.

God bless.
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by 4Play(m): 2:09am On Mar 17, 2007
I think its clear I have won this debatejust speaking to myself grin
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by trinigirl1(f): 2:11am On Mar 17, 2007
4 Play:

I think its clear I have won this debatejust speaking to myself grin

Kudos to you if you think so. However, had I been in the mood for debate, which I'm not these days, you would be singing another song. smiley

Another day perhaps.
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by Ndipe(m): 3:05am On Mar 17, 2007
abortion is murder, period!!!
Re: Abortion Should Be Made Legal by trinigirl1(f): 1:27pm On Mar 17, 2007
Ndipe:

abortion is murder, period!!!

I met a nigerian guy the other day and he said "IT IS NO PROBLEM FOR A MAN TO BEAT ANY OF HIS WIVES, PERIOD!!!"

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