Baboon (which kin name be dat self? lol) &
Nuke, ogas chill now . . .
Baboon, I think what Nuclear was trying to
say with that analogy is that it is premature
to make judgements on the morality of
certain actions without the proper
perspective.

I'm sorry but what does this mean?
What perspective? Has the table fish perspective -of God's right to kill whomever and send whoever to kill populations in his name- not been clearly stated here?

When that perspective is applied to Allah and mohammed, it suddenly becomes a problem?

Krayo-baba:

Suddenly it returns to mind I owe you a drop-kick from the past. Ah well, I am a forgiving person.

In direct answer to your questions above,

[1] As long as you own the animals, you have right to kill as many as you desire. Ranchers follow this implied "rule" all over the world. As long as they belong to you, there is no point where it can run counter to God's will. If you decide to bury them alive after spending your "last card" on them, na your loss.

[2] Nope, nobody has the right TODAY to kill anyone based on perceptions of "obeying" God. We do NOT live in the same day and time Moses did. Consider - could you drive your car in Nero's day? You didn't exist then and neither did cars. We live under different standards and using the standards of Judaism 4000 years ago to judge Christians today is outright unfair. You may not have noticed but this is even a different covenant and such commands cannot be found "existent" today.

[3] On leading others who He had ordered to not kill into warfare, I'll return again to my catfish analogy. If you visit, and I kill as many fish as required to satisfy you, where's my crime? If on the other hand, another human decides to kill a single one for his pleasure, he is a thief. Why? Ownership! That is the context in which I used the idea. Now, God is not subject to the same laws or judgments that we are. Leading them into battle is like me simply telling one of my staff to kill the "as many" fish as we wanted. He is NOT guilty of stealing murder or any crime. As Jesoul has said, without knowing the context, situation etc of the period, its somewhat difficult to judge what was right or wrong.

[4] Tried OVER AND OVER to download "E gba mi O" but always got stuck at 76%. Why nah?

Subscribing. I will be back.

I believe God had to take special care to ensure the Israelites kept a pure line:

1. Spiritually
2. Biologically (pure Human DNA)
3. In understanding and intellect
4. Politically (to remain a nation)

It was also important that they had a geographical location to call their own.

This was because Jesus was coming thru that line. Satan, like other angels, knew that, at the least (though the entire dynamics were unclear).

God's strategy was to preserve a people for himself while his plan unveiled in time. Satan's strategy was to sabotage the little he knew of the plan by directing other nations (non-chosen by God, but would soon be chosen when Christ came on earth. Like it is now), using them to try to snuff the life out of Israel in one of those 4 aspects so that God's plan wont work out.

In biology, medicine/pharmacy and computing, there is something called Quarantine. Here, a valuable element that is representative of the entire data set, corporeal entity or group is carefully kept away and guarded to the death from likewise valuable elements because the latter is corrupted. Even if the ones outside quarantine get destroyed in the process of safe-guarding the quarantine, the quarantine is adequate to re-develop the entire system when the equilibrium of well-being has been achieved.

After system health is restored and the antibodies, antivirus or otherwise health regulation feedback system is established, there is no more any need for a defensive quarantine that attacks any threat to it. Since Christ has come now, there is no need for any of these "murders" and "wars" anymore.

Preserving Israel by all means was all about Christ.

And what has Amala got to do with religion

InesQor:

I believe God had to take special care to ensure the Israelites kept a pure line:

1. Spiritually
2. Biologically (pure Human DNA)
3. In understanding and intellect
4. Politically (to remain a nation)

It was also important that they had a geographical location to call their own.

This was because Jesus was coming thru that line. Satan, like other angels, knew that, at the least (though the entire dynamics were unclear).

God's strategy was to preserve a people for himself while his plan unveiled in time. Satan's strategy was to sabotage the little he knew of the plan by directing other nations (non-chosen by God, but would soon be chosen when Christ came on earth. Like it is now), using them to try to snuff the life out of Israel in one of those 4 aspects so that God's plan wont work out.

In biology, medicine/pharmacy and computing, there is something called Quarantine. Here, a valuable element that is representative of the entire data set, corporeal entity or group is carefully kept away and guarded to the death from likewise valuable elements because the latter is corrupted. Even if the ones outside quarantine get destroyed in the process of safe-guarding the quarantine, the quarantine is adequate to re-develop the entire system when the equilibrium of well-being has been achieved.

After system health is restored and the antibodies, antivirus or otherwise health regulation feedback system is established, there is no more any need for a defensive quarantine that attacks any threat to it. Since Christ has come now, there is no need for any of these "murders" and "wars" anymore.

Preserving Israel by all means was all about Christ.

Thumbs up!!!!!!!!!!!!

InesQor, may your days be long.

My view is that moral relativism is not from God nor can it be attributed to God. Genuine morality is a manifestation of the will of God and since the will of God is adamantine and unchangeable, then genuine morality does not also change. However, the morality of an individual or a group or a nation can only be close to genuine morality if such an individual or nation lives in the sense of the will of God. In other words, good or evil is not relative but the perception of this good or evil varies since the perception is a stamp of how close or far an individual or a nation is from the will of God. Thus murder is murder whether it is committed a million years ago, today, or in a billion years from now. The same is through of all evil or good. What is acceptable to a people or culture or what is legal is not synonymous with what is the will of God or genuine morality. As a culture moves closer or far away from the will of God, so also do cultural or individual morality change but genuine morality remains unchangeable. If an individual or group have evolved to a stage where their inner spiritual maturity is in sync with the will of God, then the individual or cultural morality of such a people is transformed to genuine morality where only the will of God reigns.


God who is the source of all love and purity cannot use evil as an end in itself or a means to an end. Evil is alien and indeed incomprehensible to God. It is human beings and their evil disembodied helpers that commit evil and then attribute it to God. As it was millenia ago, so is it today. People carry out all sorts of evil and then claim that God told or directed them. Any action or event or process that is not imbued with selfless love, purity and justice is not from God and there is no exception in this. Human beings who live in the will of God has the same concept of morality a million years ago, today and in a billion years. Murder is murder whether or not is attributed to God or Satan. Slander is slander whether it is carried out in the name of God, in the name of a state or in the name of satan. Rape is rape whether it was carried out by the so called "savage tribes" 10000 years ago, in the name of war or by the man or woman of today or by a husband on his wife.

The foundation for genuine morality is love for God and for all the creations/creatures of God. An individual who recognizes this and follow the principle will not consciously harm his neighbor in his actions, words, thoughts or intuitions. As one lives in this way the power of the Holy Spirit will permeate his entire being such that he will not harm his neighbor consciously but will also not harm them unconsciously. Then, this blue tiny planet will become a reflection of the kingdom of God in heaven where only the will of God reigns.

InesQor:

I believe God had to take special care to ensure the Israelites kept a pure line:

1. Spiritually
2. Biologically (pure Human DNA)
3. In understanding and intellect
4. Politically (to remain a nation)

It was also important that they had a geographical location to call their own.

This was because Jesus was coming thru that line. Satan, like other angels, knew that, at the least (though the entire dynamics were unclear).

God's strategy was to preserve a people for himself while his plan unveiled in time. Satan's strategy was to sabotage the little he knew of the plan by directing other nations (non-chosen by God, but would soon be chosen when Christ came on earth. Like it is now), using them to try to snuff the life out of Israel in one of those 4 aspects so that God's plan wont work out.

In biology, medicine/pharmacy and computing, there is something called Quarantine. Here, a valuable element that is representative of the entire data set, corporeal entity or group is carefully kept away and guarded to the death from likewise valuable elements because the latter is corrupted. Even if the ones outside quarantine get destroyed in the process of safe-guarding the quarantine, the quarantine is adequate to re-develop the entire system when the equilibrium of well-being has been achieved.

After system health is restored and the antibodies, antivirus or otherwise health regulation feedback system is established, there is no more any need for a defensive quarantine that attacks any threat to it. Since Christ has come now, there is no need for any of these "murders" and "wars" anymore.

Preserving Israel by all means was all about Christ.

I just burst out laughing after reading this. LOL
Have you heard of the harlot caled 'Rahab'; you know, the woman from jericho (with unpure DNA and all that)? Was she not a direct descendant of Jesus according to matt : 1? So much for Quarantine and maintaining "pure Human DNA line".

(Judges 21:10-14 NLT)
1
10, So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children.

11. "This is what you are to do," they said. "Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin."

12. Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

13. The Israelite assembly sent a peace delegation to the little remnant of Benjamin who were living at the rock of Rimmon.

14.Then the men of Benjamin returned to their homes, and the four hundred women of Jabesh-gilead who were spared were given to them as wives. But there were not enough women for all of them.

(Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)

7. They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men.

8. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword.

9. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder.

10. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived.

12. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

13. Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp.

14. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle.

15. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded.

16."These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people.
17. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man.

18. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

I think the above two will do for now.

So much for "Quarantine" and "pure DNA" for christ.

Forceful marriages, r.ape and sexual slavery of the "enemy" females doesn't sound like they where very enthusiastic about "Quarantining" their bloodline, polity and spirituality if you know what I mean. Very convenient I must say. You wanna quarantine yourselve from the devil but you cant resist forcefully taking the booty to satisfy sexual urges. Lol

I think when the term quarantine was coined this wasn't what they had in mind. GENOCIDE will be an appropriate term if you may.

Innocent people including women, infants and babies had to be slaughtered or sent into se.x slavery just because the messiah is coming.

LOL. I was told christians on Nairaland are really hilarious and shocking. I must say, in my few days here I have not been disappointed. I am really learning new things LOL

BaboonYansh:

I just burst out laughing after reading this. LOL
Have you heard of the harlot caled 'Rahab';  you know, the woman from jericho (with unpure DNA and all that)? Was she not a direct descendant of Jesus according to matt : 1? So much for Quarantine and maintaining "pure Human DNA line".

That's what I thought when I read that.  But even deeper as regards keeping the bloodline pure for Christ, was jesus not a descendant of David?  and was David's grandmother not a moabite woman by name of Ruth. 

Ezra, who historically gave us the first drastic racist, ethnic cleansing directive on record did so for a reason.  The Israelite bloodline was already impure beyond recognition.

Ezra chapt.8

1After these things had been done, the officials approached me and said, “The people of Israel and the priests and the Levites have not separated themselves from the peoples of the lands with their abominations, from the Canaanites, the Hittites, the Perizzites, the Jebusites, the Ammonites, the Moabites, the Egyptians, and the Amorites. 2For they have taken some of their daughters to be wives for themselves and for their sons, so that the holy racea has mixed itself with the peoples of the lands. And in this faithlessness the hand of the officials and chief men has been foremost.” 3As soon as I heard this, I tore my garment and my cloak and pulled hair from my head and beard and sat appalled. 4Then all who trembled at the words of the God of Israel, because of the faithlessness of the returned exiles, gathered around me while I sat appalled until the evening sacrifice.



10“And now, O our God, what shall we say after this? For we have forsaken your commandments, 11which you commanded by your servants the prophets, saying, ‘The land that you are entering, to take possession of it, is a land impure with the impurity of the peoples of the lands, with their abominations that have filled it from end to end with their uncleanness. 12Therefore do not give your daughters to their sons, neither take their daughters for your sons, and never seek their peace or prosperity, that you may be strong and eat the good of the land and leave it for an inheritance to your children forever.’ 13And after all that has come upon us for our evil deeds and for our great guilt, seeing that you, our God, have punished us less than our iniquities deserved and have given us such a remnant as this, 14shall we break your commandments again and intermarry with the peoples who practice these abominations? Would you not be angry with us until you consumed us, so that there should be no remnant, nor any to escape? 15O LORD, the God of Israel, you are just, for we are left a remnant that has escaped, as it is today. Behold, we are before you in our guilt, for none can stand before you because of this.”




Chapter 10 continues:

2And Shecaniah the son of Jehiel, of the sons of Elam, addressed Ezra: “We have broken faith with our God and have married foreign women from the peoples of the land, but even now there is hope for Israel in spite of this. 3Therefore let us make a covenant with our God to put away all these wives and their children, according to the counsel of my lorda and of those who tremble at the commandment of our God, and let it be done according to the Law. 4Arise, for it is your task, and we are with you; be strong and do it.” 5Then Ezra arose and made the leading priests and Levites and all Israel take oath that they would do as had been said. So they took the oath.

InesQor:


I believe God had to take special care to ensure the Israelites kept a pure line:

1. Spiritually
2. Biologically (pure Human DNA)
3. In understanding and intellect
4. Politically (to remain a nation)

It was also important that they had a geographical location to call their own.

This was because Jesus was coming thru that line. Satan, like other angels, knew that, at the least (though the entire dynamics were unclear).

God's strategy was to preserve a people for himself while his plan unveiled in time.

Satan's strategy was to sabotage the little he knew of the plan by directing other nations (non-chosen by God, but would soon be chosen when Christ came on earth. Like it is now), using them to try to snuff the life out of Israel in one of those 4 aspects so that God's plan wont work out.

In biology, medicine/pharmacy and computing, there is something called Quarantine. Here, a valuable element that is representative of the entire data set, corporeal entity or group is carefully kept away and guarded to the death from likewise valuable elements because the latter is corrupted. Even if the ones outside quarantine get destroyed in the process of safe-guarding the quarantine, the quarantine is adequate to re-develop the entire system when the equilibrium of well-being has been achieved.

After system health is restored and the antibodies, antivirus or otherwise health regulation feedback system is established, there is no more any need for a defensive quarantine that attacks any threat to it. Since Christ has come now, there is no need for any of these "murders" and "wars" anymore.

Preserving Israel by all means was all about Christ.

@InesQor

Chop knuckle o jaare!

. . . too much to bold highlight. I give up

Check this out . . .

First, the pure line started with Abel but when that got short lived was revived through Seth, Noah, Abram/Abraham, Isaac, Jacob/Israel etc . . .

Secondly, that geographic location was theirs already by proxy (i.e. Promise made to Abraham)

Now without raise eyebrows, how does one lay claim to & successfully possess a land  430+ years later that is now occuppied by the Canaanites etc

Well kick off or start off with 66 of Jacob's descendants which will later mushroom into a nation ready to march to the promised land

Before the promised land invasion, the superpower of that era, Egypt, was unwittedly used to build up

and hide a nation (i.e. Israel) right under the noses of the Canaanites & their neighbours

I'll pause here. _{[size=5pt]I wasnt even meant to contribute on NL untl next week the least[/size]}

"Ti a ba bu ounje sinu epo epa, eni ma je yo, a jeyo"

@Image123: Amen my brother. May the Father of Lights keep our hearts and mind steadfast for Him until the very end.

@eyzhvntsn:   Thanks sis. I am about to reply you right after this  

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@BaboonYansh: Assuming you are educated enough to comprehend, please answer these:

[1.] What does PURE human DNA mean to you? In your (apparently grossly limited) understanding, does a harlot have unpure (sic) DNA? Did you study any biology in school, if you attended school?

[2.] What do you know about the Anakim, the Igigi, the Nephilim, Neanderthals and other such beings that were not 100% human but lived among men? Wikipedia and Google are your friends. Plus, it's free. Some things in life are free, you have no reason to be ignorant and rise up against knowledge when you see it.

[3.] Your post about the Midianites, I just replied it on another thread so I will copy and paste here:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-392373.0.html#msg7181005

InesQor:

@LagosShia:
Why not think or try to research the matter? Knowing you and your penchant for taking things out of context, my reply may not help you. This post is for posterity's sake.

The Midianites were a people with strong se[i]x[/i]ual influences, deeply embedded in their culture and religion. Non-virgins were higher-caste citizens than virgins and for women their dressing showed evidence of their virginity status. Thus it was blatantly easy for a soldier to tell the virgins amongst them just by their dressing, outlook and conduct. God ordered that the non-virgins should be killed because they were active participants in the cause of the war.

So strong was the ero'tic influences, the said war was because God was angry because the Midianites sed'uced the Israelites and as they took their women on the condition of participating in sacrificies and org'ies and other festivities, thus they became subjected to the worship of Baal of Peor. Read Numbers 25 for more context.

This was a war situation in which Midian used sexual prowess to infiltrate Israel so that they can get them to be subject to Baal of Peor. If they succeeded in doing that, Israel's spiritual line AND polity AND intellect would be corroded. The Midianites were not impure people (DNA wise) like the Canaanites (see [2] above), but they were threats on other levels. So it was a WAR position, and here Moses asks them to spare the young children (innocent ones) and the virgins (who obviously couldn't be elements of war used against Israel in the past).

So here, your point is that IN A WAR SITUATION, keeping the children and young women (thus necessarily virgins) as slaves is not better than killing them off or abandoning them without men to take care of them? How much sense does this make? Keep them as slaves OR destroy them in their innocence? I think for once, your NL handle is APT considering this particular point of yours.

[4] This is what happens when you know nothing about a matter and you are quick to rush in and pour vitriol about it. It is very very unwise.

@Pastor AIO: Haba you fall my hand abeg. What does IMPURE DNA mean to YOU?

@e36991: Yes o my brother, Master plan toh bahd. Master plan toh critical

I foresaw all this [size=14pt]jagbajantis[/size] before I posted that's why I put the context (impure DNA) not[i] impure bloodline[/i] or ethnicity.

It was God's will that Jesus should come from a bloodline that encompassed many peoples, not only Israelites, BUT all were genetically pure like Noah was in his day. See the Matthew genealogy for more context.

InesQor:

@Pastor AIO: Haba you fall my hand abeg. What does IMPURE DNA mean to YOU?

oh, I thought you were talking about ethnicity.

Do you really believe that there is DNA from other species in the human race. How pure would you say yoruba people were? Because I'm beginning to think that this could be a reason for our inhumane behavioural traits.

InesQor:


I foresaw all this [size=14pt]jagbajantis[/size] before I posted that's why I put the context (impure DNA) not[i] impure bloodline[/i] or ethnicity.

It was God's will that Jesus should come from a bloodline that encompassed many peoples, not only Israelites, BUT all were genetically pure like Noah was in his day. See the Matthew genealogy for more context.

Whao havent heard the J word in a long time

Had been waiting for an opportunity to use it here on NL

Anyway, Jagbajantis means nonsense, ridiculous, preposterous, ludicrous

If you dont know, now you know

Pastor AIO:

oh, I thought you were talking about ethnicity.

Do you really believe that there is DNA from other species in the human race. How pure would you say yoruba people were? Because I'm beginning to think that this could be a reason for our inhumane behavioural traits.

I believe there were (at least were, I dont know of ARE) humans with impure DNA from non-human sexual relations. Animals, Spirits manifested in Corporeal forms (beings like werewolves that DONT exist but can be made manifest) and the fallen (demons in corporeal form, giving rise to the Nephilim). Science, for instance, believes the Neanderthal man is now extinct but their origin is unknown. I believe the Neanderthal man came from sexual relations with non-human entities like the fallen (demons in corporeal bodies). But one point we both agree on is that the Neanderthal man didn't have 100% human DNA. There are also some theories about possible alien interbreeding with humans at some points in history but I have no background information on this (conspiracy theory) so I can't really discuss that.

The Yoruba? Maybe as pure as the constituents of a mound of Amala

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@e36991: LOL abi o. J[i]agbajantis toh serious[/i]

InesQor:



@BaboonYansh: Assuming you are educated enough to comprehend, please answer these:

[1.] What does PURE human DNA mean to you? In your (apparently gross;ly limited) understanding, does a harlot have unpure (sic) DNA? Did you study any biology in school, if you attended school?

[2.] What do you know about the Annakim, the Nephilim, Neanderthals and other such beings that were not 100% human but lived among men? Wikipedia and Google are your friends. Plus, it's free. Some things in life are free, you have no reason to be ignorant and rise up against knowledge when you see it.

I'm sorry but what does the Nephilim or whatever have to do with anything? I thought they where all destroyed in the Noah's flood or did some of them somehow survive? Where the people of Jabesh-gilead Nebilim too? Where the hittites,

[3.] Your post about the Midianites, I just replied it on another thread so I will copy and paste here:

https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-392373.0.html#msg7181005

This was a war situation in which Midian used sexual prowess to infiltrate Israel so that they can get them to be subject to Baal of Peor. If they succeeded in doing that, Israel's spiritual line AND polity AND intellect would be corroded. The Midianites were not impure people (DNA wise) like the Canaanites (see [2] above), but they were threats on other levels. So it was a WAR position, and here Moses asks them to spare the young children (innocent ones) and the virgins (who obviously couldn't be elements of war used against Israel in the past).


So here, your point is that IN A WAR SITUATION, keeping the children and young women (thus necessarily virgins) as slaves is not better than killing them off or abandoning them without men to take care of them? How much sense does this make? Keep them as slaves OR destroy them in their innocence? I think for once, your NL handle is APT considering this particular point of yours.

Actually, my point is, In WAR you KILL and capture only combatants and spare civilians! That is what we do in the sane world.

I'm sorry but this must be a big Joke.
Where the jews strangers to Destroying entire populations children inclusive? You are claiming the midianites children where spared on the basis of 'mercy' and 'innocence'? Wow mercy must have a whole new meaning in christianity forced marriage and a life as a se.x slave is sure merciful.

What stops the young midianite virgins and children from re-seducing the Jews to baal?
Or because they where virgins they lost seductive power?

Lol. You sure make it sound like the jews spare virgins and the kids in this case coz they where "innocent". Hey, what of in other cities where women children, babies and virgins where all KILLED? What where the crimes of the young children then? Where was this great sense of mercy then?


Check out Deut 20

16. However, in the cities of the nations the LORD your God is giving you as an inheritance, do not leave alive anything that breathes.

17. Completely destroy them- the Hittites, Amorites, Canaanites, Perizzites, Hivites and Jebusites- as the LORD your God has commanded you. (Deuteronomy 20:16-17).

I thought you claimed the "the young children (innocent ones) and the virgins (who obviously couldn't be elements of war used against Israel in the past" where innocent? Or where the entire children of the Hivites, jebusites, etc nebilim too? Lol

[4] This is what happens when you know nothing about a matter and you are quick to rush in and pour vitriol about it. It is very very unwise.

LOL

@BaboonYansh:

Learn from the wise => Pastor AIO misunderstood me and thought I meant ethnicity. So did you. But he reverted.

Rather than say you didn't understand and thought I meant ethnicity / bloodline and not DNA, you return to speak more diddlysquat. As for OT wars, go and study them first, then come back and discuss the context.

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Next please

InesQor:

@BaboonYansh:

Learn from the wise => Pastor AIO misunderstood me and thought I meant ethnicity. So did you. But he reverted.

Rather than say you didn't understand and thought I meant ethnicity / bloodline and not DNA, you return to speak more diddlysquat. As for OT wars, go and study them first, then come back and discuss the context.

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Next please

LOL context indeed. I've read the OT and I know enough to give me nightmares.
Stop crying like it was only bloodline I tackled in my post. Your stories are not consistent evidently you people make it up as you go along.

I have read threads of people here castigating Mohammed and Islam as evil when your faith is just as evil as theirs. Hypocrites.

Let's push the boat out a bit further, shall we . . .

God is a Developer

Cain means " . . . I have acquired a man with God."

- How terribly wrong Eve was with that notion. She acquired a man alright but . . .

Abel means shortlive or short-lived (i.e. vapor, breath, in the negative sense of having no substance and being something very close to nothing)

- Unknowingly a prophetic pronouncement or declaration by the parents.

- The second miss, they thought Cain was "The man!" and Abel was, pfft, dispensable

DNA? DNA tampering?

Whose? Cain or Abel?

Of course, Cain's . . .

Someone had "gbu iyan won keere, otun gba irawon lowo won"

e36991:

Let's push the boat out a bit further, shall we . . .

God is a Developer

Cain means " . . . I have acquired a man with God."

- How terribly wrong Eve was with that notion. She acquired a man alright but . . .

Abel means shortlive or short-lived (i.e. vapor, breath, in the negative sense of having no substance and being something very close to nothing)

- Unknowingly a prophetic pronoucement or declaration. The second miss, they thought Cain was "The man!" & Abel was dispensable

DNA? DNA tampering?

Whose? Cain or Abel?

Of course, Abel . . .

This is interesting!

JeSoul:

"Sin" is more times than not a very relative term. What might be a sin for me, might not be for you another christian. 

I totally agree with that. But is it (Killing of animals as my previous post describes) sin for YOU? and if so, please share why. .  or why not (what verses in the bible?)

JeSoul:

 Kray, "murder" is sometimes justified, sometimes not - the real conundrum for us is being able to tell the difference - especially when you're not privy to all the details or even the big picture or even the parties involved. 

I agree with this too. But when is genocide justified? Please just give me one possible example and I will leave the matter.

JeSoul:
 
Dilute I think, is the wrong choice of word - Expound is way better.

All Jesus did was show and expound on the way that was already there. For example:
If God told the Isrealites not to cross river A - did God say so because ¹He hates rivers or because ²river A was dangerous? And then over time man comes to ban the crossing of all rivers everywhere no matter what.

Over time the essence of a command or directive is lost and legalism takes over such that the reason for an action being ordered in the first place was lost and people go about it ritualistically with no real effect on their hearts. So what Jesus did wasn't "diluting" it to make it applicable to that time per se - but rather showing the 'spirit' and 'heart' of the command in the first place - and showing how the essence of the command projects forward and backward to all people - defying even time and culture. Just my understanding of the matter. I know you may challenge this by bringing up some aspects the Law - but as a general construct - I hope you get my point. Cheers!

I get your point. You are right IMO.

nuclearboy:

Krayo-baba:

Suddenly it returns to mind I owe you a drop-kick from the past. Ah well, I am a forgiving person.

haha. Thank you for your forgiveness. YOu save me the trouble of having to cripple you lol

nuclearboy:

[1]  As long as you own the animals, you have right to kill as many as you desire. Ranchers follow this implied "rule" all over the world. As long as they belong to you, there is no point where it can run counter to God's will. If you decide to bury them alive after spending your "last card" on them, na your loss.

I think you are saying having legal custody of an animal means you own the animal's life and can do with it as you please. . . . that burying, alive,  a  chicken, dog, bear, etc,   can not at any point run counter to God's will.  Does the bible, in your opinion, support this position? Also, What if you do not "own" the animal? Is it wrong then?

Some Christians argue that we did not give animals life and have no right to take their lives except for food, or in self defense e.g. mosquitoes, pests, rodents e.t.c. . I'm not sure but I think most animals kill mainly for food, or in protecting themselves from being killed for food. Humans are the only species I know that "think" it's fine to kill other animals just because we can. (I could be wrong on this though- I'm no expert on animals.) These Christians argue that God saw that the earth was good well before he made man, and that he loves all of his creation dearly. That giving man dominion over the earth is putting the earth (including animals)  in our care. Like a king to watch over his kingdom. . to ensure continuity and and not to just exploit and abuse. If you were to meet a Christian that made this argument, how would you counter him/her  and defend your position?

JeSoul:

[2] Nope, nobody has the right TODAY to kill anyone based on perceptions of "obeying" God. We do NOT live in the same day and time Moses did. Consider - could you drive your car in Nero's day? You didn't exist then and neither did cars. We live under different standards and using the standards of Judaism 4000 years ago to judge Christians today is outright unfair. You may not have noticed but this is even a different covenant and such commands cannot be found "existent" today.

I agree with that. And I think that is mainly because we know better than people did back then.

TBH I think those commandments were written for Jews to help them live together as a community. You couldn't steal from other Jews, kill other Jews etc. It was that way in most desert tribes. Allegiance was to your clan/tribe and all else was potential prey. What the Israelites did was the way things were back then, and most tribes would have sworn their deities had their back while massacring others. I think ultimately we have to use our heads and figure out what works for us.

JeSoul:

[3] On leading others who He had ordered to not kill into warfare, I'll  return again to my catfish analogy. If you visit, and I kill as many fish as required to satisfy you, where's my crime? If on the other hand, another human decides to kill a single one for his pleasure, he is a thief. Why? Ownership! That is the context in which I used the idea. Now, God is not subject to the same laws or judgments that we are. Leading them into battle is like me simply telling one of my staff to kill the "as many" fish as we wanted. He is NOT guilty of stealing murder or any crime. As Jesoul has said, without knowing the context, situation etc of the period, its somewhat difficult to judge what was right or wrong.

I think the commandments were written by whoever was leading them at the time (possibly Moses) to help them live well as a people.  I don't think they were too worried about the welfare of their neighbors. That's my opinion.

JeSoul:

[4] Tried OVER AND OVER to download "E gba mi O" but always got stuck at 76%. Why nah?

lol. Na me say make u no get correct intanet connecshun? I can email it to you if u give me your email.

Krayola BABA!! How far na? Its been a while bros. . . .I can see that you are now into the music business full time. . .Best wishes to you from this end bros. . . .Keep the flag flying high. . . .

@Krayo:

I suppose find like 15 hundred curses add join this email O, cos next thing now na "I am tall and pretty and love crosses no boundaries" emails go full my inbox. Anyway, nlbomb@gmail.com.

I didn't really get your point about supposed Christians who argue against killing animals that belong to you. Are you saying that every claim makes sense? Men remain the only traders in the animal world, right? Did Christ and Peter eat everything Peter caught when Jesus said to let down his net? Would such "christians"say Christ and Peter were sinning? And if they found selves unable to eat/sell all of any hunting "catch" and such rots, would such "christians" say Christ commited a crime of waste?

You want my defence against idiocy? Tell such a Christian that next time he sees a Cobra, he should pick it up and help it cross the highway since he's a custodian of all God's creatures.

Expecting that sing-song sharpish.

Oh, so this is the new story amongst christians? God can kill and send anyone to kill because we are insignificant? I'm disgusted to say the least.

I have bookmarked this thread and it will come in handy the next time I see any christian fool that opens his mouth against allah or that paedop.hile mohammed.

@baboonnyash. . . .what kind of name is that? Your username just gave me a funny picture reminds me of my friends pet monkey .

T U D O Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!

You still dey?

Yes O, an owner retains right over his property. And remember when you think about Allah, that Christians do not believe Allah is the owner and thus say no to him having power over life.

The above is mirrored by you - you do not believe God has power over life. Why should you have that right and me not?

nuclearboy:

T U D O Rrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!

You still dey? 

Yes O, an owner retains right over his property. And remember when you think about Allah, that Christians do not believe Allah is the owner and thus say no to him having power over life.

The above is mirrored by you - you do not believe God has power over life. Why should you have that right and me not?

Yes I'm still Alive.

And to think you christians stand on a pedestal and condemn muslims for being violent and terrorists and call islam barbaric.

You say allah is murderous, he is wicked, he is evil. When muslims justify their terrorism by claiming its an injuction from allah why is that not enough for you people?
Is allah not their god? Why is that such a bad thing?

If you believe your God can kill and send anyone to kill innocents, why EXACTLY can others not hold the same beliefs too about their god without you calling them names?
Is that not CLEAR HYPOCRISY?

If islam is considered a terrorist and barbaric religion today because they believe allah has the right to murder and command murder even of children, WHY should we not consider Christianity a terrorist religion too since they hold the same beliefs? Why should we not classify christians as terrorist?

Infact, I have bookmarked this thread 5 times.

InesQor:

@BaboonYansh:

Learn from the wise => Pastor AIO misunderstood me and thought I meant ethnicity. So did you. But he reverted.

Rather than say you didn't understand and thought I meant ethnicity / bloodline and not DNA, you return to speak more diddlysquat. As for OT wars, go and study them first, then come back and discuss the context.

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Next please

So this lying FOOL is still on Nairaland?
Is is a surprise you didn't address any of the legitimate questions asked by baboonnyash in his/her post? You lazily just brushed everything aside in ignorance. I see you're just as moronic as ever.

Lol welcome back Tudor! Not to worry, your "resident slowpoke" throne is vastly unoccupied. No one dared ascend it since Abuzola tried earlier in the year and failed.

Only you will see an intelligent point in the statement that harlots have impure DNAs, and all kinds of drivel that the baboon spouted.

@InesQor: thumbs up!
Quite taken with how you presented the case. If people would bother to research the Nephilim and Anakim; they would be surprised at what they 'd turn up.

Another way to look at it would be in terms of invading enemy territory.

From Adam to Moses; the saints could be likened to soldiers operating behind enemy lines spreading the word of God's coming rescue---much like the Allied agents operating in German occupied territory during the Second World War.

With Moses and Joshua; came the establishment of a beach-head, (against crack enemy troops, Amalek, Nephilim etc) --- likened to the D-Day landings at Normandy in WWII. Israel in the land of Canaan was to be different showcasing God's glory to a world in the grip of the enemy --- raising hope among the oppressed peoples of the world of rescue --- hence the stories of people like Rahab, Ruth, Uriah (gentiles who joined the nation of Israel).

With the advent of Jesus: the full invasion and dispossessing of enemy territory begins. And we Christians are the soldiers (but of course the warfare is spiritual---as it has always been) and the Kingdom is not of this world.

The Spirit of the Lord GOD is upon me; because the LORD hath anointed me to preach good tidings unto the meek; he hath sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim liberty to the captives, and the opening of the prison to them that are bound; To proclaim the acceptable year of the LORD, and the day of vengeance of our God; to comfort all that mourn; (Isaiah 61:1-2)

You cannot free captives without going to war as Abraham showed when he rescued Lot.

Thanks, aletheia! The war-strategy perspective is a very interesting one. Never really considered it that way. . . Hmm gotta ponder on that!