@toaskarity did u read other part of the story, be neutral and be sincere 2 yourself@ak47mann than GOD u said u heard that, but rely such things never happened Mohamed(saw)never did such thing,during is life tym he never faught to conquer any nation,he only faught to protect the muslims n the pple of Medina who accommodated him after he was threatened by the arab in Mecca His(saw) moving away from Mecca 2 Medina was a direction 4rm Allah n the war He(saw) also faught was a direction 4rm GOD,He(saw) never did anything out of his own will,so if He(saw) did not fight 2 conquer a country d issue of selecting women would never have occured.Even the war He(saw) faught 4 islam(jihad)has rules 4rm Allah n the rules are has follow
1.Never cut down their(enemies) trees,kill their animals or burn their houses.
2.Never figth their children,wives n the old once
3.fight only those who attack you
This are the rules He(saw) faught with,and any war claimed 2 be faught 4 islam and did not not follow this rules are not 4 islam but 4 selfish interests,Allah will surely the perpetrators.
As 4 those who faugth 2 conquer nations,they were the Caliphs"the successors of the prophet"n all of them faught with the rules of jihad,they tired all their best to emulate the characters of the prophet,so they never selected women,and they never forced anybody to accept islam,infact during that period any muslim who tamper with the Right of other religion believers were being punished,muslims only faught with the Persian,Roman n the Jews of those days who oppressed the small nations of those days.That is why the hatred is still thier till now,n that is why a modern Jewish country like America will do any 2 destroy n tarnish the images of islamic Nations.
google islam history n the secret of the jewish masters 4 more reference.Even the DEMOCRACY we practice today started from the Caliphs

@ harakiri
Im amazed to see a gay atheist on NL.i guess thats what u were gunníng for.to stand out.the truth is u only pretend to be an ätheist so u can be seen as different.you suffered from low self self esteem ás a child due to sexual abuse and u think being radical will help your sense of self.guy wake up.there are a billion real atheists in china alone. as for homosexuals they are a dime a dozen even in naija.so dont delude urself into thinking u are special.u are sooô down there!!

@Sagamite; « #108 on: May 31, 2011, 12:20 PM »
[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on May 31, 2011, 11:21 AM
@Sagamite; « #89 on: Today at 10:41:32 AM »what if the people have understood the religion wrongly? could you still blame the religion, instead of the evil doers. similar to those who have used Sham the son of Noah to abuse black people as they understand it from their bible?

You mean people in Nigeria, Philippines, Afghanistan, UK, USA, Saudi Arabia, Sudan, Mauritania, Algeria, Spain, France, Indonesia, Iraq, Chechnya, Pakistan, Holland, Somalia and so on and so forth are frequently misunderstanding the religion?

How many people have you seen use Sham abuse black people?

That is a lame comparison, mate. I never even heard of that till this second.

It is as lame as me saying some muslims knowingly eat pork, hence muslims don't mind eating pork just like Xtians.[/Quote]Glory belongs to Allah. If you think I ran away from you as you claimed in the other thread, I will ask if you think you hold any value that will make me do it? Absolute self importance is your problem. do live in the USA, and all the muslim friends that I have from young adults n their 20s to a former 2nd WW veteran. none of them is violent, because they obey what Allah says in the Quran and follow the example of the Messenger [as] and his sahabah [ra]. You are from Shagamu you said. I know plenty non muslims from that town who are arrogant as hell and you cant trust them to standby you, in times of support. Some of them are from big family names. If they are muslims, they will be doing good for the pleasure of God, based on their worldliness. And you have not heard of the Slave traders nor the KKK who have used Sham in the bible to oppress black people. ask dayokanu. he lives in america am sure he knows about the kkk and the white supremacists in texas. Its shocking that you are unaware of the condition of black people based on sham. the evil of anyone, i am not responsible for it. and you will not expect that out of 1.5 bilon peoples there will not be a number of them that are deviants. may Allah guide every muslim. Amin. but the christian says in the gathering of 13 people, there is a judas. so what do you expect of 1.5 billion peoples, and how many judas[es] in the christian community?



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on May 31, 2011, 11:21 AM
they say whosoever pays the piper, dictates the tune. if muslims controls the media, you will find that islam is not criticized but muslims are honestly criticized if the media are honest. with all the evil that jews and christians commit, their religions are off limit, for good reasons; they control the tv, the print, the news.

Sorry, please highlight what muslims that control the media in Muslim countries have done in regards to condemning terrorism viciously.

What evil do Xtains and Jews do that is not criticized?[/Quote]i am sure Aljazirah does not condone terrorism. thedeenshow.com, theyoungturks show [tyt.com], are just a few. and you live in england? chritians missionaries from korea and others are in afghanistan for starters, musims are the ones exposing them. check christian missionary atrocities video on youtube. the christian usa military do say 'jesus killed muhammad and the video sets are on youtube, too. jews rape palestinian women in 'if americans only knew what the jews are doing' also on youtube.



[Quote]Quote from: Sweetnecta on May 31, 2011, 11:21 AM
there is nothing wrong with fundamentalism in its purity. secondly, a liar can say he his a fundamentalist. the word infidel is found in the bible and not in the Quran, why say it is islamic when it is from christianity, unless the bible is not the essence of christianity? this video is a start to let you know what muslims have been doing against injustice. and for a man who is living in england, the muslim community in that nation has consistently plays a pivotal role in the so called war on terrorism which irish people didn't play against the ira in her days. i remember late senator kennedy raising monies for the irish effort in the usa.
http://www.thedeenshow.com/show.php?action=listvideo&sid=61&id=872
this video will lead you to other series so that you are better educated.

Sorry. My apologies, I don't read the Bible or the Quran so I might mix-up with the infidel thing.

Ok, will I be right when I say they kill Kafirs? Is that islamic enough?

I live in England and I can confidently tell you that the muslims were doing almost nada until the last 7 years.[/Quote]you will be right to say kill the kafirs in the same way you will be right to say kill the area boys who invaded your home in the middle of the night and began to mount your women. if you do not kill them, then you are better castrated or make yourself go away from the women who may have to look at your face to see how much you stood their watching them go through the horror of gang banging. you ask me to be honest, this is honesty, maaannnn. and i live in the usa and we did everything from the very first day. rather before that because islam itself is an advise. if you are not even knowledgeable about whose book we find the word infidel, why are you talking about it?



[Quote]No 1, after years of violence against, threats against or insult on their host country by some muslims, it really is lame muslims then did not do much to protect their image until the last 7 years, you even have some giving covert support with the normal "they were provoked", "stop provoking them and it will not happen".[/Quote]islam entered america before the whites came to her shores. it was the christians ho have and are still in one form or the other kill and or oppress people. and oppression is worse than killing, and we remember what france did to algeria in just few decades ago. are you for real?



[Quote]No 2, some very few muslims (mostly in the Muslim Council of Britain) is not strong enough to mitigate the magnitude of the atrocities being frequently committed in UK and globally. We need to see more major muslim outcry.

Muslims coming out enmass on the streets in outrage when someone draws Mohammed in Denmark but are no where to be found when someone takes a Xtian 65 year old grandfather and videos himself slicing his throat shouting "Allahu Akbar" is mooronic and does not help the image of Islam as a "religion of peace".

When muslims start coming out in outrage ENMASS for things like the latter, then you will see the reduction in demonisation of the religion. Worse still when things similar to the latter happens more frequently than the former.[/Quote]i hope you were old enough when saddam hussaine invaded kuwait? it was with the nod of agreement from bush senior. same rumfeld that used to shake his hands, was the same hypocrite that made sure 'shock and awe' destroyed iraq. i guess chrstians are friends in fair weather? i will give you one thing; muslims need to raise a 'military force' to combat any evil conducted by muslims. but will the non muslim elites allow the muslims to police themselves, so that they can kill the snake before it raises its ugly head? and sometimes, we are not able to control what many of our segments do. just like the western countres were not able to control what george bush dd, but were bullied to join n, otherwise they will be labelled as being with the enemy. te bullying is such an evil thing.



[Quote]Majority of muslims are not doing enough and ARE not interested enough in condemning those that they claim wrongly interpret the religion. In my opinion, there are a lot of (if not majority) of muslims that are comfortable and tolerant of the violence as they see it as a tool of force to protect Islam and Islamic interest/people. Basically the "they shouldn't dare mess with us". Please highlight to me how many times any of the 1.5 Billion or so muslims have come out enmass on the street to protest the frequent use of Islam to commit atrocities (like even killing a non-muslim that has left his/her country to go to a war-torn muslim country to help muslims and had been helping for years?. But yet if you mention Mohammed's pants, you are guaranteed there will be some kafirs murdered somewhere for the ""provocation"and thousands of muslims on the street demonstrating their "anger". Secondly, they are too bothered about protecting the religion than attacking the people that do evil in the name of the religion. They even play the "victim" card when people are annoyed people can kill in the name of islam.[/Quote]it seems as if you are between making comments and passing judgment. yet you stopped that i should point out, as highlighted; iran of all countries protsted and lit candles, when america was attacked on september 11. i guess you were away from news in this time. pakistan supported america and so were other muslim majority asian countries. and there were afghans who fought along side america and her team of countries.



[Quote]That ridiculous mentality of muslims seeing other muslims as "our muslim brothers and sisters" that lead to double standard (at the expense on non-muslims) in respect for human welfare and human life that majority of muslims stand up for (or not), has to fcking stop. A muslim, a muslim's life, a muslim's rights or Islam is not more important than a Kafir's.[/Quote]you seem to have ignorantly ranted. the Quran says stand firm against injustice. it means stands for justice. a muslim who doesn't has himself to blame and you can't blame slam that commands him otherwise. do you blame islam for a person who commits adultery or it is him that you must blame for going against islam? think man.

Sweetnecta:

@Sagamite; « #108 on: May 31, 2011, 12:20 PM »Glory belongs to Allah. If you think I ran away from you as you claimed in the other thread, I will ask if you think you hold any value that will make me do it? Absolute self importance is your problem.  do live in the USA, and all the muslim friends that I have from young adults n their 20s to a former 2nd WW veteran. none of them is violent, because they obey what Allah says in the Quran and follow the example of the Messenger [as] and his sahabah [ra]. You are from Shagamu you said. I know plenty non muslims from that town who are arrogant as hell and you cant trust them to standby you, in times of support. Some of them are from big family names. If they are muslims, they will be doing good for the pleasure of God, based on their worldliness. And you have not heard of the Slave traders nor the KKK who have used Sham in the bible to oppress black people. ask dayokanu. he lives in america am sure he knows about the kkk and the white supremacists in texas. Its shocking that you are unaware of the condition of black people based on sham. the evil of anyone, i am not responsible for it. and you will not expect that out of 1.5 bilon peoples there will not be a number of them that are deviants. may Allah guide every muslim. Amin. but the christian says in the gathering of 13 people, there is a judas. so what do you expect of 1.5 billion peoples, and how many judas[es] in the christian community?

Stop this Sham rubbish and stop chatting shyt!

You are making up useless stories.

Sham my arse! Silly excuses.

So how come there is no violence problem like this in the 2bn Xtians?

So how come there is no violence problem like this in the 1.5bn Buddhist?

So how come there is no violence problem like this in the 1bn Hindus?

Only the 1.5bn muslims do you have someone killing another person or a group of people every fortnight as a religious duty and you are making silly Sham excuses?

Sweetnecta:

i am sure Aljazirah does not condone terrorism. thedeenshow.com, theyoungturks show [tyt.com], are just a few. and you live in england? chritians missionaries from korea and others are in afghanistan for starters, musims are the ones exposing them. check christian missionary atrocities video on youtube. the christian usa military do say 'jesus killed muhammad and the video sets are on youtube, too. jews violation palestinian women in 'if americans only knew what the jews are doing' also on youtube.

Explain to what the HORDES of muslim stations in muslim countries are doing to condemn terrorism viciously.

Show me the muslim community is doing all it can to condemn what you claim is not in the scriptures.

You are giving lame excuses that you can't because the West control media. They don't in muslim countries. What are those in those countries doing? I can bet the are even supporting by providing a platform for some cretins!

Sweetnecta:

you will be right to say kill the kafirs in the same way you will be right to say kill the area boys who invaded your home in the middle of the night and began to mount your women. if you do not kill them, then you are better castrated or make yourself go away from the women who may have to look at your face to see how much you stood their watching them go through the horror of gang banging. you ask me to be honest, this is honesty, maaannnn. and i live in the usa and we did everything from the very first day. rather before that because islam itself is an advise. if you are not even knowledgeable about whose book we find the word infidel, why are you talking about it?

You obviously are a terrorist with this daft excuse.

Sweetnecta:

islam entered america before the whites came to her shores. it was the christians ho have and are still in one form or the other kill and or oppress people. and oppression is worse than killing, and we remember what france did to algeria in just few decades ago. are you for real?

Another stewpid excuse.

Sweetnecta:

i hope you were old enough when saddam hussaine invaded kuwait? it was with the nod of agreement from bush senior. same rumfeld that used to shake his hands, was the same hypocrite that made sure 'shock and awe' destroyed iraq. i guess chrstians are friends in fair weather? i will give you one thing; muslims need to raise a 'military force' to combat any evil conducted by muslims. but will the non muslim elites allow the muslims to police themselves, so that they can kill the snake before it raises its ugly head? and sometimes, we are not able to control what many of our segments do. just like the western countres were not able to control what george bush dd, but were bullied to join n, otherwise they will be labelled as being with the enemy. te bullying is such an evil thing.

Another stewpid excuse.

Sweetnecta:

it seems as if you are between making comments and passing judgment. yet you stopped that i should point out, as highlighted; iran of all countries protsted and lit candles, when america was attacked on september 11. i guess you were away from news in this time.

One! Out of the tens of islamic violence we see yearly.

Tell me another time mulsims came out to complain.

How many will come out at a snap of a finger if some drew a cartoon of the Prophet's pant?

Sweetnecta:

pakistan supported america and so were other muslim majority asian countries. and there were afghans who fought along side america and her team of countries.

How does this silly statement show muslims come out to condemn terrorism?

Sweetnecta:

you seem to have ignorantly ranted. the Quran says stand firm against injustice. it means stands for justice. a muslim who doesn't has himself to blame and you can't blame slam that commands him otherwise. do you blame islam for a person who commits adultery or it is him that you must blame for going against islam? think man.

Stand firm against injstice?

But yet they come out in thousands at what offends them but are nowhere to be seen when one of their fellow muslims kill innocent people as a religious duty? Some give stewpid excuses like you because they passively support terrorism and are secretly happy with it?

Sagamite, i wonder if you have ever condem israel for denying over a million people in gaza access to all the necessities of life through the blockade? This is hypocrisy

seanet02:

Sagamite, i wonder if you have ever condem israel for denying over a million people in gaza access to all the necessities of life through the blockade? This is hypocrisy

Search "Sagamite israel phosphorus" on NL and start worshipping the Ayatollah of Objectivity and Intelligence.

Sagamite:

Search "Sagamite israel phosphorus" on NL and start worshipping the Ayatollah of Objectivity and Intelligence.

Egbon arayin oya. Se e ti mu ogogoro ni? Abi powder Gbenga Daniel len loni.

Sagamite:

Search "Sagamite israel phosphorus" on NL and start worshipping the Ayatollah of Objectivity and Intelligence.

I laugh in dutch.

rubbish!!!! And senseless idiots, when are they going to grow up and reason like human. Nonsense...

Sweetnecta: there is no aspect of Sharia, in Quran and its explanation in the Hadith ans Sunnah that justify jungle justice. definitely, there is no where that an unmarried person, male or female can be stoned to death for any offense including offense of sexual intercourse.


islam brought restraint, moderation, preservation of life all in obedience to God Almighty. how a 16 year old who probably knows nothing about islam except his name justifies this madness is unbelievable.


while people are saying 'Olorun o', islam has nothing to do with evil done even if the doer says he has done it according to and for islam. he has lied in the same manner that those who call Jesus God and or son of God have lied when they have no justification for it. when you ask them to show the wife of God who bore Him a son, they back peddle and never have the got to point to Mary the mother of jesus, who the catholic erroneously call mother of God, when jesus himself said his Lord isthe same Lord for everyone and the said Lord is One God, not more.

mumu. Becoz of ur shallow mind u believe sayin sum1 is ur son means u must have had a wife!

Everyday I understand why most people don't believe in God anymore. If there is a God, he would be terribly ashamed of the human race. The whole lot of us.

Toaskarity: as well as condem the killing so do i have nothing against her stoning! the world is a free a place to do what u like as well practise what u like! my point is that its their culture so she suppose to be aware of the implication!!
19yrs is no more a kid so she suppose to know the rule and abide to it or denounce the culture! FOR NOW I THINK ITS JUSTIFIABLE

Last I checked,Ukraine is well over 90%Orthodox Christian
The Tartars who live in the Crimea are muslims but do not have extremists.
The murderer must have been a ghetto dwelling immigrant from Dagestan
Seriously.

seanet02: Sagamite, i wonder if you have ever condem israel for denying over a million people in gaza access to all the necessities of life through the blockade? This is hypocrisy

Well,they wouldn't have a blockade in the first place if Hamas wasn't throwing rockets at every kibbutz they can see over the wall between Israel and Gaza.

GERALD710:
Last I checked,Ukraine is well over 90%Orthodox Christian
The Tartars who live in the Crimea are muslims but do not have extremists.
The murderer must have been a ghetto dwelling immigrant from Dagestan
Seriously.

it is barbaric to kill for religion or any other senseless sentiments. And anyone who supports stoning a girl to death is a savage like the ones who carried out the act. People should have the freedom to do what they please as long as it does not endanger other peoples' lives. The only reason to kill is if the person is dangerous. I feel so shocked and ashamed that people are endorsing such a senseless and brutal act. This is humanity at its worst.

Toaskarity: as well as condem the killing so do i have nothing against her stoning! the world is a free a place to do what u like as well practise what u like! my point is that its their culture so she suppose to be aware of the implication!!
19yrs is no more a kid so she suppose to know the rule and abide to it or denounce the culture! FOR NOW I THINK ITS JUSTIFIABLE

WATC OUT VERY SOON YOUR OWN BLOOD WILL MUG U AND IT SHALL BE JUSTIFIABLE.