@Donzman,

It is pure fallacy to think a country can suceed without good government. If you think otherwise, you might want to share with us, a case in history. You talk about the case of the kid in Malawi and forget how indigenous our people have been through the years.

The citizens can only go so far! Without a government that leads the way with good laws, management of resources and protection of life and property, every step taken will eventually lead to no where. If Obasanjo did not provide the licence, there won't be anything like GSM in Nigeria today. Is it that the technology wasn't there in earlier administrations? Of course it was, but they thought telephones is meant only for the elite and our people were busy waiting on God saying "what will be, will be".

There is absolute truth in the statement that "There is no solution without a political solution." All revolutions reach their peaks with the establishment of a goivernment that truly seeks out the wishes and desires of the people. We can avoid a bloody revolution by simply making sure that our Govt do what we elect them to do. That way, the need for a bloody revolution cannot be established.

This is heart warming! TayoD and my good ''friend'' of the Biafran fame, Donzman, finally accepted that our problem in Nigeria is largely that of leadership. It's all well and good.

What I don't like is people like Chxta expressing few vague ''points'' in so many words to score cheap popularity and command some sort of discipleship!

Isn't it amazing that folks like Sijien have been entangled in the web of ''many words with few meanings'' to the extent that they now see these things as the Holy Grail (as PTH rightly stated).

@Ono,

While I believe our problem is largely that of leadership, the problem has persisted in Nigeria becuase the followership has done nothing. The keyword here is action. If we had dealt with people like Babangida after his misrule, who would dare come out and attempt the same thing? Rather, our people glorify these nonentities and worship that which they should be ashamed of. Can you imagine babangida still having the effontery to want to rule Naija again? if not for Baba who single-handedly checkmated him, who will probably now be under the rule of Babangida Phase 2.

@PTH
Chxta was a member of Nairaland until he left in disgust after being banned by seun for spurious reasons for the umpteenth time. Unlike many others he's stayed away ever since.

He also happens to be my closest friend at the moment

This is just so you take back your comments about him 'hiding behind others to post'.

I also find him hopelessly optimistic about Nigeria nowadays, if that's any consolation

@ texazzpete,
Yeah i didnt realise the post from Sijien came from Chxta until much later. I take back the negative comments, he's pretty intense about Nigeria but i agree he's a decent fellow afterall. I like him too.
No problem.

Wallowing in ignorance indeed!

To some on this thread, Chxta's article addresses Nigeria's problem and so it is a well written article? For want of criticising his article which I presume he carefully put together, I think his article is far from been alright or excellent.

He tables Nigeria's problems in summary as:
1. Ignorance
2. We are not DIYs (Do It Yourselfs)
3. Pessimists
4. Nigeria Break-up advocates
and he concludes by giving us his best solution - Change our attitudes!

PTH has mentioned how ignorant Americans can be, but their country is prosperous. Now let me put the ignorance in perspective with a personal experience. I entered the US on a KLM flight into Dulles Airport Washington DC after stopping for a few days in London from Lagos and I was harrased by the Immigration officer. When i asked him what the problem was, he asked me why there were so many Amsterdam on my ticket. I mentioned that since I was flying KLM, they will always take me through Amsterdam even on my return, just like BA will take one though London and Lufthansa will take one through Frankfurt. The Officer was very angry and said it doesnt make sense I replied saying What doesn't make sense. He looked at me and said the numerous Amsterdam on your ticket and escalated me to Second level screening with dangerous priority (My documents in a RED folder). I finally got granted access into the country without issues as I had already been to the country before and the Second level screening officer felt there was no issues in my case. Now, How more ignorant can an immigration Officer be concerning flights when he works in an international airport, sits at the desk and checks in thousands everyday into the US? Is the US still not prosperous with such individuals who are completely ignorant of what is happening even within his jurisdiction? Do you know that most Americans have never been out of their states before? yet Chxta wants Nigerians to go and visit all the states before we can get it right. For your information, I am not one of Chxta's so called ignorant people as I know nearly every nook and crany of Nigeria and appreciate the people in them.

Why should we all start doing DIYs to provide basic and social amenities for ourselves when we pay taxes? What are the taxes meant to be used for? Except you don't pay the right tax in Nigeria, then you will not appreciate what I am saying. Nigerians have been very ingenious in providing solutions to their problems and that is more than enough for them to continue to bear.

I cannot even start talking about pessimism and optimism because many posters on this forum automatically assume that once you are outside Nigeria, then you are a pessimist and constantly tell the whites how bad your country is.

Since when has the Nigeria break up issue become prominent that it deserves a write up. I am definitely no advocate of break up, but If we like, let us break up into 250 parts, our problems will not disappear overnight without having the right leaders. Do you remember how quick everyone in Nigeria started wearing seat belt as soon as it was instituted. If you like have the best sheep flock with the right attitude, without a shepherd, the flock will all go astray!

Finally, He says the solution is that we should change our attitude. I agree it is A solution but it is not THE solution. We need visionary leaders who want the best for our country and attitude change can complement it. Go and read what is happening in Zimbabwe and see the level of opposition that Mugabe is facing regarding his warped policies, yet his opponents are hounded and beaten/killed nearly every day. So are you saying the people of Zimbabwe do not have the right attitude? yet they have an inflation rate of over 3000%.

Tats:

If you like have the best sheep flock with the right attitude, without a shepherd, the flock will all go astray!

@ tats, your post just made my day on this section.
I hope all the ignorant members of the "i love Nigeria" brigade who simply swallowed everything Chxta said without bothering to weigh the merits or demerits of his argument and labeled us "haters" and "ignorant" folks can read your post and have a radical rethink.

I see the "attitude" argument as just one more way of rationalising away the real problem which is that of leadership as you have rightly pointed out. How many of our looters er leaders have come out to accuse the citizenry of not being patriotic enough when they are the ones siphoning our taxes and oil revenue?

We announce budgets of "hope" every year worth billions of dollars and yet there is no food on our tables, our roads are death traps, airports doo not have radar in the year 2007, our hospitals are mere mortuaries and some says our only problem is that of attitude?
Will changing my attitude tar my street or make NEPA more efficient?

What to do?

We talk about the lack of infrastructure in Nigeria, but then we all sit down and wait for the government to provide it. True, it is the government's responsibility, but when government continuously fails, a little bit of self help would go a long way. We hardly see that in Nigeria. Compare a mindset like that of the Malawian kid, William - who went out to build a windmill from scrap plastic and wood to power his family home in rural Malawi - to the typical Lagos residents whose homes and streets always get flooded every year but will choose to grunt and grumble and live life as it is.

Here is just one of the "solutions" that Chxta has proposed - in essence since we lack infrastructure in Nigeria, he advocates that rather than hold the government to ransom as is done in countries serious about development we should all get up and provide it ourselves.
I ask myself, Chxta, why didnt you and your friends gather money and patch all the bad roads in Lagos instead of complaining? What effort did you put in to repair the sewers in your street in Lagos instead of writing long and essentially meaningless write ups in your cosy home in the UK?

Why travel to the UK to take a masters degree? Since the Nigerian government would not restructure our schools why didnt you do it urself just like your Malawian example. If every Nigerian built windmills just to provide energy for their family do you know how much worse the housing situation in Lagos and Abuja would get?
Where would the typical family in Oshodi living under the bridge site their windmills? On the bridge?

Lets be honest, since you've been living in the UK, how many families have you seen operatiing personal windmills? What makes their own government different from ours? What is the point of voting in political officers, having them collect oil revenue on our behalf when we still have to use our meagre resources that are not even enough to give us 2 meals a day to provide infrastructure for ourselves?

Going by your analysis, we would have to provide jobs for ourselves, generate our own electricity, supply our own water, build our own personal schools, repair our own personal highways e.t.c. why dont we just do away with government altogether?

its a pity that some boi boi in america thinks
they know naijas problem than the naijas here.
hnmm pity pity, pity!

I read CHxta's post and there is much he got wrong. A whole lot.

The difference between Nigeria and states like Western Europe and the USA is they developed themselives internally. They werent created by outside forces. No one drew the map of the US they created it on their own. Nigeria is a country with a Moslem North, Protestant West and Catholic East. It is a State also split along ethnic lines geographically as well as Linguistic wise. These are FACTS not backwards thinking. There is no succesful state that has such divisions. A Nation needs uniformity in certain aspects and Nigeria has none. You cannot adopt the artificial constructs placed on a country by outsiders and create a great nation. IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED AND IT NEVER WILL. Great nations arise internally. From our name to our borders, those where given by outsiders.

Great nations are created through revolution. ALWAYS. Your solution of picking yourself up by your bootstraps is farcical. What do you think people do day in day out in Nigeria or in Diaspora every day? You think people in Nigeria do not work hard enough for a living? That they just let their areas flood because they are stupid and just dig their head in the stand. That is the sound of an elitist.

And to think the person advocating this change in attitude and grab yourselves by the bootstraps attitude IS NOT EVEN IN NIGERIA BUT IS IN THE WEST. Talk about hypocrisy of the highest magnitude. How is earning a Masters abroad and making money abroad helping Nigeria? Why not bring your earned smarts or degree and come back to Naija and put it to use building a bussiness to rebuild infastructure that our government isnt providing? Please name your bussinesses doing such as you claim that is the way out and not politics. Or will you give the old tired excuse that "I am working on it" or "Someday Soon" ?

Nigerian Elitism is one of the major factors keeping Nigeria back. Chxta has it in spades, its disgusting.

shango:

I read CHxta's post and there is much he got wrong. A whole lot.

The difference between Nigeria and states like Western Europe and the USA is they developed themselives internally. They werent created by outside forces. No one drew the map of the US they created it on their own. Nigeria is a country with a Moslem North, Protestant West and Catholic East. It is a State also split along ethnic lines geographically as well as Linguistic wise. These are FACTS not backwards thinking. There is no succesful state that has such divisions. A Nation needs uniformity in certain aspects and Nigeria has none. You cannot adopt the artificial constructs placed on a country by outsiders and create a great nation. IT HAS NEVER HAPPENED AND IT NEVER WILL. Great nations arise internally. From our name to our borders, those where given by outsiders.

Great nations are created through revolution. ALWAYS. Your solution of picking yourself up by your bootstraps is farcical. What do you think people do day in day out in Nigeria or in Diaspora every day? You think people in Nigeria do not work hard enough for a living? That they just let their areas flood because they are stupid and just dig their head in the stand. That is the sound of an elitist.

And to think the person advocating this change in attitude and grab yourselves by the bootstraps attitude IS NOT EVEN IN NIGERIA BUT IS IN THE WEST. Talk about hypocrisy of the highest magnitude. How is earning a Masters abroad and making money abroad helping Nigeria? Why not bring your earned smarts or degree and come back to Naija and put it to use building a bussiness to rebuild infastructure that our government isnt providing? Please name your bussinesses doing such as you claim that is the way out and not politics. Or will you give the old tired excuse that "I am working on it" or "Someday Soon" ?

Nigerian Elitism is one of the major factors keeping Nigeria back. Chxta has it in spades, its disgusting.

I hope the usually ignorant Aisha2 is reading this piece.

shango u r actualy very wrong about american dveloping internally. the country was divided up and colonised by the british. they fouhgt for independednce and got it. meanwhile where is donzman to talk again? he went to chxta's blog to say what he said here and chxta answered him. since then he has not said anything again. it will be good if some peeps do d same so dat they can learn instead of forming scholar here.

Ahh Donzman, one of my favourite members of the Biafra automatically means success group,

What has improved in Nigeria since 1960?

Good question. Only one thing: our population, if that can be called an improvement.

Your dad has a positive attitude towards his own upliftment, that is good. But what about the upliftment of his neighbours? Has it occurred to you that when you try to raise your neihbours up as well, that you would improve even better? Did you read the example I gave of the broken down lift?

In any event, I am not going to attack your dad, I think he is a good man, but I can bet that he sees the people he has lived amongst more as human beings than some of your comments across this blog (and Nairaland) indicate that you do, and that is the crux of the matter when it concerns people moving around. Remember the question about whether mobility has actually opened people's minds? Get it straight, the point made about Nigerians knowing each other was made with respect to national unity, not with respect to things getting better, or worse. Anyways, I can also guarantee you one thing: your dad is much more likely than the Obinna who sat in Onitsha all his life, to understand what makes people from Sokoto tick, and much more likely to understand their foibles as well. That already makes him a better Nigerian than Obinna.

As to your second point, the question would then become where have you been these past few months (and articles) when I criticize things? Or you only visit these parts when something positive is said? If you had bothered to read the write up properly, you would have seen that I gave what I think to be the exact reason why people are pessimistic -attitude. Try read harder next time.

One more thing, these pages of mine are littered with suggestions (after criticisms of course) for improvements in Nigeria. I'd also entertain suggestions from you as to how you intend to make Biafra work. Just a thought,

osereka:

its a pity that some boi boi in america thinks
they know naijas problem than the naijas here.
hnmm pity pity, pity!

but u yeye o. if na oyinbo man come tell una say see where d problem dey una go listen. but if na naija tell una una go start to dey argue. colomental.

Sijien:

shango you're actualy very wrong about american dveloping internally. the country was divided up and colonised by the british. they fouhgt for independednce and got it. meanwhile where is donzman to talk again? he went to chxta's blog to say what he said here and chxta answered him. since then he has not said anything again. it will be good if some peeps do d same so that they can learn instead of forming scholar here.

- this is inherently false. The British did not really "colonise" the USA like you would say they colonised Nigeria. Those who founded the American state where British immigrants themselves who continued to pledge allegiance to the British throne until they decided to revolt and stand as a separate nation. The English on the other hand came to us and forced us into a system of subjugation while stealing our resources.
- The US was in no way "divided up" by the British. In fact, the founding fathers of the US purchased several of the present states from original owners, Alaska, purchased from the Russians, is a classic example. The US, as a nation of immigrants, did not exist before 1776 so the British could not have divided up what was not there.

Let Chxta himself send his rejoinders through you since you have no oppinions of your own rather than sitting on his blog and forming scholar there.

What are we to go and learn from his blog? That Nigerians should go and build private windmills while government continues to steal billions meant for electricity generation?

Wake up mr. Sijien! Ask Chxta whether he has a private windmill in his house. Yet he enjoys 24hrs electricity provided by responsible governments while advocating that you go build ur private local government while the political office holders feed fat on your own taxes and oil revenue. Whether or not we form scholar here or not, it is you who is at the relative disadvantage. Let us know when you "change ur attitude" as Chxta has advocated. Until then we will continue to enjoy the benefits of living in societies where governments are alive to their responsibilities and the ignorance of the people do not deny them their rights to an acceptable standard of living.

well he isnt sending replies through me. i copy and paste some. but u failed one thing there. nigeria also did not exist as a nation before d british came. also no nation existed here before they came. so that is where you're wrong.

Sijien:

well he isnt sending replies through me. i copy and paste some. but u failed one thing there. nigeria also did not exist as a nation before d british came. also no nation existed here before they came. so that is where you're wrong.

We are saying the same thing. However it seems you are more interested in looking for areas where you can simply trumpet "you're wrong" rather than looking at the merits or demerits of the debate.

Yes Nigeria did not exist before the British came but answer this simple question as correctly raised by Shango's post: Was the US a creation of the British unlike Nigeria?
We, like most African nations and other trouble spots of the middle east, did not have the priviledge of deciding our own borders, constituent nationalities and even names of our countries! Ask yourself why majority of the old British colonies are in crisis today - Nigeria, Iraq, Pakistan e.t.c. - what is the unifying factor? They are all completey different nationalities cobbled together to form an artificial nation on the whims of the British.

While accusing Chtxa of intolerance many that have criticized him on this thread are equally guilty of the same intolerance.

I share Chxta's views as regards our attitude as a people. The government is not the building we see, it is made up of people, Nigerians just like the younger generation will take over from the people there today sometime in the future.

I am trying so hard not to use harsh words here since I have noticed that quite a good number of Nigerians both within and outside Nigeria really want the best for this country even though strategies, opinions and suggestions may differ.

On government's role

If the government refuses to provide power for me the way it should what options do I have? Stay without power or look for ways to generate one? Today, in Nigeria I use steady power whether in the office or at home and I do not use a generator in the office but have one at home that I may use for a couple of hours once in 1 or 2 weeks.

With this I am more productive, don't waste money on fuel so that means I can channel the money into other useful things.

In the US is every home connected to the grid? Certainly no.

Job creation

Is it the duty of government to provide jobs for the masses? In my opinion no but it should provide an enabling environment for business to strive.

Again, in the US how many people work for the government? What percentage?

Citing Chxta's example with the elevator, attitude to life made him take time to contact the people responsible. If he chose to ignore the issue (like most of us will in Nigeria) the elevator may not be repaired on time and that's it.

I disagree with the position that the US was neither colonized nor developed by outsiders because not only did the Europeans massacre the native indians to seize their lands they fought bitter wars with Mexico in the South and Canada in the North all in the bid to expand.

After they grabbed as much land as they could they headed to Africa to bring/buy slaves to work (and in the process develop america) there. Put differently, Africa was robbed of its manpower by the US so the issue of looking at Africa as a continent without direction is somewhat overrated.

While the likes of Nigeria, Iraq, Pakistan are referenced to show that colonies don't make progress what about Malaysia or Philipines, India, Australia (even with the massacre of the aborigines before claiming their lands)?

So, while we may have different views on ways to make Nigeria a better country we should restrict what we say to facts on ground and leave out the personal touch which ends up derailing the thread.

Why will someone accuse Chxta of hypocrisy simply because he is outside Nigeria? But we are being reminded that all Nigerians whether outside or within have the rights to discuss Nigeria and its problems.

I have not seen a reason to label him a hypocrite, his write up may not touch on the most important factors, let others add to what he has put down while disagreeing with some but to write off or dismiss his article completely to me sees counter productive and negative.

Afam, as usual you have completely twisted every single post you reference in order to make a point that really goes no where.

Afam:

While accusing Chtxa of intolerance many that have criticized him on this thread are equally guilty of the same intolerance.

No one has accused Chxta of intolerance. There is nothing in his write up to suggest such.

Afam:

I share Chxta's views as regards our attitude as a people. The government is not the building we see, it is made up of people, Nigerians just like the younger generation will take over from the people there today sometime in the future.

The government is the people, but the people elect a certain minority to represent their views. What attitudes do we have that is radically different from those of South Africans or Germans?

Afam:

On government's role

If the government refuses to provide power for me the way it should what options do I have? Stay without power or look for ways to generate one? Today, in Nigeria I use steady power whether in the office or at home and I do not use a generator in the office but have one at home that I may use for a couple of hours once in 1 or 2 weeks.

With this I am more productive, don't waste money on fuel so that means I can channel the money into other useful things.

This is counter productive, You can never develop as a nation if we refuse to hold our government accountable. How many of the 150m Nigerians can afford a generator to power their ramshackle homes? How many serious nations have their large industries running on generators?

Afam:

In the US is every home connected to the grid? Certainly no.

we can conveniently argue that at least 97% of homes are connected to the national grid. No company in America is run on generators!

Afam:

Job creation

Is it the duty of government to provide jobs for the masses? In my opinion no but it should provide an enabling environment for business to strive.

You are right.

Afam:

Again, in the US how many people work for the government? What percentage?

Not that many but again we are not asking that the government provide jobs for all, all we want is that they provide an enabling environment just like the US does. Make the environment conducive for industries to thrive and government would have solved job problems.

Afam:

Citing Chxta's example with the elevator, attitude to life made him take time to contact the people responsible. If he chose to ignore the issue (like most of us will in Nigeria) the elevator may not be repaired on time and that's it.

again it is erroneous to merely equate nigeria's problems to that of just attitude. We dont have the worst attitude in the world, why are we so blessed and yet so poor?

Afam:

While the likes of Nigeria, Iraq, Pakistan are referenced to show that colonies don't make progress what about Malaysia or Philipines, India, Australia (even with the massacre of the aborigines before claiming their lands)?

No, read my post again, i did not talk of "colonisation" as the bane of those countries BUT the cobbling together of incompatible peoples to form a nation.
Nigeria - Hausa, Yoruba, Igbo hence our problems till tomorrow.
Iraq - Kurds, sunnis, shiites - are we surprised it is a theater of war today? There are kurds in Turkey who are minorities, why were they not naturally allowed to form a separate nation with their kurdish brothers in Iraq?

Afam:

Why will someone accuse Chxta of hypocrisy simply because he is outside Nigeria? But we are being reminded that all Nigerians whether outside or within have the rights to discuss Nigeria and its problems.

Chxta says our problems are all down to "Attitude". The right "Attitude" to develop Nigeria then should not be running to London only to start telling the rest of us to change our attitudes and build private windmills to power our homes while he enjoys the benefit of an accountable government.

u said that i don't have an opinion on this issue. that is another place that u f-ed up very well. an opinion doesnt have to be an original thougt. it can be influenced by what another person said or wrote. in this case my opinion is influenced by what chxta wrote. ur problem is that u are too arrogant to accept it even when u r wrong.

PTH:

Afam, as usual you have completely twisted every single post you reference in order to make a point that really goes no where.

sorry bro it is u dat keeps twisting d point here to make a point that goes no where.

No one has accused Chxta of intolerance. There is nothing in his write up to suggest such.[/uote]
read shangos post well. read donzmans post very well. u dont have to say somethng to imply it.

The government is the people, but the people elect a certain minority to represent their views. What attitudes do we have that is radically different from those of South Africans or Germans?

in germany which ave been to most people build their houses and furniture by themselves. if soemthing breaks down in the house u dont see people rushing 2 look for d nearest carpenter or plumber or electrician. in naija if no body comes to work it it will remain like that. true or false?

This is counter productive, You can never develop as a nation if we refuse to hold our government accountable. How many of the 150m Nigerians can afford a generator to power their ramshackle homes? How many serious nations have their large industries running on generators?

go back and read what afam wrote. he didnt say everybody must buy a generator. maybe u dont want 2 see his point but d point is this if u try 2 hold d government and they are not coming will u throw ur hands up and say okay since i dont have light let me live in darkness? that is what our people r so good at doing.

again it is erroneous to merely equate nigeria's problems to that of just attitude. We don't have the worst attitude in the world, why are we so blessed and yet so poor?

we probably have d worst attitude in d world. u urself has said it so many times that the avergae naija is selfish. what is worst than that one? we are not our brothers keepers and tat why naija is where it is.

No, read my post again, i did not talk of "colonisation" as the bane of those countries BUT the cobbling together of incompatible peoples to form a nation.
Nigeria - Hausa, Yoruba, Igbo hence our problems till tomorrow.
Iraq - Kurds, sunnis, shiites - are we surprised it is a theater of war today? There are kurds in Turkey who are minorities, why were they not naturally allowed to form a separate nation with their kurdish brothers in Iraq?

so you now want to say that turkey is a cobbled together nation? there are scots in scotland who want to form their own nation why cant they leave? in the article chxta provided a link 2 all the seperate militias in india. were they not cobbled together? people like u just like to emphasise on our differences as a negative when it can be positive.

Chxta says our problems are all down to "Attitude". The right "Attitude" to develop Nigeria then should not be running to London only to start telling the rest of us to change our attitudes and build private windmills to power our homes while he enjoys the benefit of an accountable government.

u that is always complaining what r u doing in america? r u american. it was this kind of thing that he talked about in one of his articles. instead of attacking the points u r always attacking d personality. ono is d most guilty person of this but u r not innocent. if he is in london so what? does it mean he can develop naija from there? does being soemwhere else remove his nigerianness? u r just a disgrace.

I do agree with all parties on this debate on the issue of leadership and attitudinal change, because I think its a bit of both. Though if attitudinal change is achieved the latter which is better leadership is likely to be achieved. Lets not forget that our leaders are also part of the society.

On the issue of breaking up Nigeria, no rational being should want that. In these days of globalisation countries are forming bigger unions and pulling up resources to achieve more for their people, we should not honestly be talking about secession at this stage in our National history. Though I also think no slogan has done this country more harm than "ONE NIGERIA". In that slogan we enmask and bury all the necessary debates that would have made this country stronger, with that slogan we bully people from airing their differences so that when such differences are resolved we could build better trusts across ethnic devides.

I don't believe in ignoring our problems with the hope illusion that somehow they will solve themselves. We talk about the USA being a heterogeneous country but yet a strong Economy. But we often tend to forget that once upon a time in this America black pregnant women were made to stand in buses so that white men or women could sit, we tend to forget that in this USA once upon a time white kids and their black counterparts will not go to the same school nor use the same kind of textbooks, we also tend to forget that the likes of Martin Luthar King, MalcomX etc. fought for the America we all admire today, we also tend to forget that America is what it is today because the white folks in Government thought it was necessary to have an honest debate and listen to the plight of these people.

Nigeria's problems will not be solved by the kind of rhetorics put up here by Chtax (with all due respect), they will be solved by some degree of sincerity on our parts as citizens having honest debate about their country Nigeria.

God bless Nigeria!!!!!!

well said. but to butress one thing it is me that put up what chxta said here.

Sijien:

u said that i don't have an opinion on this issue. that is another place that u f-ed up very well. an opinion doesnt have to be an original thougt. it can be influenced by what another person said or wrote. in this case my opinion is influenced by what chxta wrote. your problem is that u are too arrogant to accept it even when you're wrong.

not really dear, the problem is you and Chxta have already decided in our minds on this issue, posting it here was not about getting diverse comments but about shoving your myopic and ill-conceived idea down our throats. When we refute it you quickly hide under the "you are arrogant" banner. Carry go.
Maybe you need to point out where i'm wrong rather than trumpeting "you are wrong" everywhere simply because Chxta has made a point that does not hold water.

Sijien:

sorry bro it is u that keeps twisting d point here to make a point that goes no where.

The earlier comment was not directed to you so this answer makes no sense.

Sijien:

in germany which ave been to most people build their houses and furniture by themselves. if soemthing breaks down in the house u don't see people rushing 2 look for d nearest carpenter or plumber or electrician. in naija if no body comes to work it it will remain like that. true or false?

You sit back and read this totally meaningless comment of yours. How many Nigerians sit down relying on government to build their houses, beds, stools and shelves for them? If anything Nigerians are some of the most resourceful people on earth when it comes to improvising. Many people drive cars in Nigeria that would have been in scrapyards in Germany more than 20yrs ago, my brothers and i did most of the minor carpentry work in our house, you only call the plumber when the job is completely beyond you. What really is the essence of this nonsense? And when we refute this you claim we are wrong and being arrogant! What a load of tripe!

Sijien:

go back and read what afam wrote. he didnt say everybody must buy a generator. maybe u don't want 2 see his point but d point is this if u try 2 hold d government and they are not coming will u throw your hands up and say okay since i don't have light let me live in darkness? that is what our people r so good at doing.

Here is why this makes very little sense. Chxta lives in the UK, how many people has he seen using generators? The British hold their government to ransom, why is it a crime if we did the same to ours?
Tell me how can you develop when companies run on generators? How many people can afford to buy fuel everyday? Afam makes the point that he uses gen sets everyday for at least 2 hrs, what productive and prosperous nation have you seen where the entire citizenry depend on generators?

Sijien:

 we probably have d worst attitude in d world. u yourself has said it so many times that the avergae naija is selfish. what is worst than that one? we are not our brothers keepers and tat why naija is where it is.

If you want to see selfish people please come to the US. Why is our attitude the worst in the world and how did we get there? You make ridiculous statements THAT HAVE NO PROOF and yet accuse us of arrogance and claim we are wrong?

Sijien:

so you now want to say that turkey is a cobbled together nation? there are scots in scotland who want to form their own nation why can't they leave? in the article chxta provided a link 2 all the seperate militias in india. were they not cobbled together? people like u just like to emphasise on our differences as a negative when it can be positive.

Pleae emphasise JUST ONE area where contraption called a nation has been positive. Chxta can provide the details of all the terrorists in Cambodia it wont make any difference as long as Nigeria's constitution continues to habour failures like quota system and federal character.

Sijien:

u that is always complaining what r u doing in america? r u american. it was this kind of thing that he talked about in one of his articles. instead of attacking the points you're always attacking d personality. ono is d most guilty person of this but you're not innocent. if he is in london so what? does it mean he can develop naija from there? does being soemwhere else remove his nigerianness? you're just a disgrace.

And you cry that others are attacking personalities and you blame Ono as being the worst? I cant see what Ono said that could be any worse than this expression of verbal diarrhoea. No one is saying Chxta should not go to London, he should not go and sit tight there telling us to build personal windmills to power our homes instead of waiting for government while he enjoys the benefits of living in a society where they hold their government accountable.

thank you McKren! I'm sick to my stomach seeing ignorant people continue to defend the indefensible! And they tell us we are wallowing in ignorance when they can't even see their noses. Building windmills my foot! South Africa has nuclear power plants and someone is telling us to go build personal windmills in the yr 2007. Maybe Michelin tyres should have built windmills to keep their Port Harcourt plant open.

We generate billions of dollars in oil revenue yearly and someone says we should go build windmills. Why dont we just do away with government in the first place?

PTH:

thank you McKren! I'm sick to my stomach seeing ignorant people continue to defend the indefensible! And they tell us we are wallowing in ignorance when they can't even see their noses. Building windmills my foot! South Africa has nuclear power plants and someone is telling us to go build personal windmills in the yr 2007. Maybe Michelin tyres should have built windmills to keep their Port Harcourt plant open.

We generate billions of dollars in oil revenue yearly and someone says we should go build windmills. Why don't we just do away with government in the first place?

oya u y r u there criticising? do away with govement. why not lead from d front? ur mind is so closed so as not to even see dat in other parts of the world green energy is the way forward. d uk only recently comissioned d largest wind farm europe. holland runs mainly on wind energy. be there doing arm chair criticism. hypocrite.

Sijien:

oya u y r u there criticising? do away with govement. why not lead from d front? your mind is so closed so as not to even see that in other parts of the world green energy is the way forward. d uk only recently comissioned d largest wind farm europe. holland runs mainly on wind energy. be there doing arm chair criticism. hypocrite.

lol no be armchair Chxta take write that nonsense about windmills and attitude? Talk of hypocrisy.

Serious nations talk about "green energy" and wind farms AS AN ALTERNATIVE ENERGY SOURCE in terms of conservation and as a tool to reduce global warming NOT AS AN EXCUSE FOR GOVERNMENT INEPTITUDE!

The countries talking about green energy have the largest nuclear power plants in the world and are the world's largest consumers of fossil fuel energy and you are here trumpeting that we who cant even get a simple dam running should join them to build wind mills. What energy are we conserving? The one we cant even harness at all?

This people just dey make me laugh till belle pain me.

dey here dey attack person wey dey make suggestions. at least diffrence dey between u and him. i don start anoda thread make u go look am. u want 2 attack that guy again? these are people that are better human beins than you. face it.

Sijien:

dey here dey attack person wey dey make suggestions. at least diffrence dey between u and him. i don start another thread make u go look am. u want 2 attack that guy again? these are people that are better human beins than you. face it.

lol, this is the hallmark of intellectual cretins. As soon as they run out of excuses they either create new threads or turn a lively debate into a personal attack. Chxta is better than me because he writes an article that makes little sense? Do you think i give 2 shakes of a ducks tail?

So someone honestly thinks a country that is yet to provide basic electricity for every household should be talking about placing priority on green issues??

McKren:

So someone honestly thinks a country that is yet to provide basic electricity for every household should be talking about placing priority on green issues??

my dear abeg see me see misplaced priorities. Tell them abeg, when i say so they label me as wrong and arrogant. I don tire.

PTH:

lol, this is the hallmark of intellectual cretins. As soon as they run out of excuses they either create new threads or turn a lively debate into a personal attack. Chxta is better than me because he writes an article that makes little sense? Do you think i give 2 shakes of a ducks tail?

u give more than 2 shakes of a ducks tail ortherwise it wont bother u like it clearly does. and u r d one who turned this into a personal attack. am following ur lead.

McKren:

So someone honestly thinks a country that is yet to provide basic electricity for every household should be talking about placing priority on green issues??

ROFLMAO . I am completely speechless and don't even know what to say. So we have even fastforwarded and overtaken the westerners on Green issues. Why not start talking about carbon footprint in Nigeria!

PTH:


Tell me how can you develop when companies run on generators? How many people can afford to buy fuel everyday? [b]Afam makes the point that he uses gen sets everyday for at least 2 hrs, [/b]what productive and prosperous nation have you seen where the entire citizenry depend on generators?

The content in bold refers, where did you get that from?

I do not want to start disproving every mistake you make on my clear post but this one is one mistake too many.

Read my post again and ask me to clarify anything you don't understand abeg.