the koran
inspired by the all illitrate allah In
a previous sura says[b] 2:256 Let
there be no compulsion in
religion:[/b] , And not very far away
from  that again he blurted
out 8:12 I will instill terror into
the hearts of the unbelievers:
smite ye above their necks and
smite all their finger-tips off
them

Bulldog:

abraham's faith in God wasn't threatened, abraham's faith in the almighty wasn't challenged, abraham only feared that because his wife was beautiful, they'll kill him to take her and in the islamic egypt of today the evil still lingers! Once again this is what a thing that calls himself a god said! [3.28] let not believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing will there be help from allah: except by way of precaution, that Ye may guard yourselves from them. But allah cautions you to (remember) himself; for the final goal is to allah. isn't it crystal clear that you are twisting the bible?! Isn't also crystal clear that you twisted frosbel's Quote?! and isn't it glaringly visible that you twisted the original arabic i showed you previously to to make me a liar and the screenshot of the translation bore witness to that. Isn't it clear you are a liar! For allah!. And as if that wasn't enough, muslims are the kind of friends that smile at his friend and has knives at their backs to kill them with liar shia. The shia liar of allah, Lol

LagosShia:

ok.so please can we discuss this taqiyyah[b] in one thread [/b] so that the discussion can be centered and concluded once and for all?

Bulldog:

You cant restrict the truth in a thread cos all your lies weren't centred. 
https://www.nairaland.com/nigeria/topic-857645.32.html#msg10092864

Bulldog:

Drama queen? Who's doing the drama when you keep changing threads. Lol. When your lies tends to backfire you change just like a cameleom, you tried appealing to the nobler nature of islam and it seems it's lacking in nobility too.

Sweetnecta:

@Bulldog: « #14 on: Yesterday at 10:00:31 AM »Could you give me the word Takiyah from the verse you quoted or do you think you can make a statement and not be challenged to prove it? I am read the QUran as I am typing this response. You are very deceitful to make claims that are unfounded. And is Peter denial of his god Jesus not the greatest sin on him or any christian? See how you destroy the original sin of transference of sin, while Peter had to bear his own responsibility even though it is 3 times the sin?

(Kitab al-Hidaya, Chapter
Five)

“Taqiyya is allowed in matters
related to manifestation of
friendship or enmity; and it is
also allowed in matters
connected to professing (their)
religion. But it is certainly not
allowed in matters which affect
other persons, like murder,
fornication, usurpation of
property, perjury, slander of
married women or informing the
unbelievers about the weak
points in the Muslims’ defence.

Al-Hidāyah is the title of a
famous Hanafi juridical work by
Burhān al-Dīn ‘Alī ibn Abī Bakr al-
Marghīnānī (1152–1197) which
is considered widely
authoritative as a guide to fiqh
amongst Muslims in Central Asia,
Afghanistan and India, and is the
basis for much of the Anglo-
Islamic law in India and Pakistan.
[1]
This guidance is believed to have
been primarily provided in the
form of the Qur’an.[2]

LagosShia:

[size=14pt]TAQIYYAH AND LYING IN THE BIBLE[/size]

Genesis 12:10-13
10 Now there was a famine in the land, and Abram went down to Egypt to live there for a while because the famine was severe. 11 As he was about to enter Egypt, he said to his wife Sarai, “I know what a beautiful woman you are. 12 When the Egyptians see you, they will say, ‘This is his wife.’ Then they will kill me but will let you live. 13 Say you are my sister, so that I will be treated well for your sake and my life will be spared because of you.”


2 Kings 9:10-15
“Hazael went to meet Elisha, taking with him as a gift forty camel-loads of all the finest wares of Damascus. He went in and stood before him, and said, "Your son Ben-Hadad king of Aram has sent me to ask, 'Will I recover from this illness?' " 10 Elisha answered, "Go and say to him, 'You will certainly recover'; but the LORD has revealed to me that he will in fact die." 11 He stared at him with a fixed gaze until Hazael felt ashamed. Then the man of God began to weep. 12 "Why is my lord weeping?" asked Hazael. "Because I know the harm you will do to the Israelites," he answered. "You will set fire to their fortified places, kill their young men with the sword, dash their little children to the ground, and rip open their pregnant women." 13 Hazael said, "How could your servant, a mere dog, accomplish such a feat?" "The LORD has shown me that you will become king of Aram," answered Elisha. 14 Then Hazael left Elisha and returned to his master. When Ben-Hadad asked, "What did Elisha say to you?" Hazael replied, "He told me that you would certainly recover." 15 But the next day he took a thick cloth, soaked it in water and spread it over the king's face, so that he died. Then Hazael succeeded him as king”.

Romans 3:7
“But if the truth of God through my lie abounded unto his glory, why am I also still judged as a sinner?”

Philippians 1:18
“But what does it matter? Nothing matters except that, in one way or another, people are told the message about Christ, whether with honest or dishonest motives, and I’m happy about that. [/u]Yes, I will continue to be happy.”

2Corinthians 12:16
“But be it so, I did not burden you: nevertheless, [u]being crafty, I caught you with guile.“

Posted by: BulldogQuote from: LagosShia on
Yesterday at 09:56:19 PM[/b
]
ok.so please [b] can we discuss this
taqiyyah in one thread[/b]so that
the discussion can be centered
and concluded once and for all?

Quote from: Bulldog on
Yesterday at 11:40:06 PM
[b] You cant restrict the truth in a
thread cos all your lies weren't
centred.
http://www.nairaland.com/
nigeria/
topic-857645.32.html#msg10092864

no need to be a drama queen
and whinning.i'm intereted to
examine the facts and the
evidence put forth.what you call
me or think is of no use to me or
the discussion.thank you sir.
you can see my reply below and
examine the thread you accuse
me of lying against frosbel:
http://www.nairaland.com/
nigeria/
topic-857645.64.html#msg10093037

Quote from: Bulldog on Today at
06:55:08 AM
Drama queen? Who's doing the
drama when you keep changing
threads. Lol. When your lies
tends to backfire you change
just like a cameleom, you tried
appealing to the nobler nature of
islam and it seems it's lacking in
nobility too.

Bulldog:

  abraham's faith in God wasn't threatened, abraham's faith in the almighty wasn't challenged, abraham only feared that because his wife was beautiful, they'll kill him to take her and in the islamic egypt of today the evil still lingers! Once again this is what a thing that calls himself a god said! [3.28] let not believers take for friends or helpers unbelievers rather than believers: if any do that, in nothing  will there be help from allah: except by way of precaution, that Ye may guard yourselves from them. But allah cautions you to (remember) himself;  for the final goal is to allah. isn't  it crystal clear that you are twisting the bible?! Isn't also crystal clear that you twisted frosbel's Quote?!  and isn't it glaringly visible that you twisted the original arabic i showed you previously to to make me a liar and the screenshot of the translation bore witness to that. Isn't it clear you are a liar! For allah!. And as if that wasn't enough, muslims are the kind of friends that smile at his friend and has knives at their backs to kill them with liar shia. The shia liar of allah,  Lol

Bulldog:

kitman is an islamic practice where they intentionally omit part of a text so as to contort the truth. Liar shia. Why did you omit your own quote that warranted my last quote

LagosShia:

please show us which text we Muslims have omit part of.

do we muslims hide in telling you that Jesus (as) is not god? do we stop telling you that Jesus (as) was neither killed nor crucified? do we stop telling you that there is nothing as trinity?

so please show us what we have omitted.

Jesus (as) is not god? do we stop telling you that Jesus (as) was neither killed nor crucified? do we stop telling you that there is nothing as trinity?

Even before jesus was born, a prophet named isaiah prophesied it, if you happen to Hate the bible, check the torah it's the same there cos the truth is unchanging "For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace." (Isaiah 9:6). then in the book of john "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning.Through him all things were made; without him nothing was made that has been made." (John 1:1-3). "The Word became flesh and made his dwelling among us. We have seen his glory, the glory of the One and Only, who came from the Father, full of grace and truth." (John 1:14). jesus himself said ""You are not yet fifty years old, " the Jews said to him, "and you have seen Abraham! " "I tell you the truth, " Jesus answered, "before Abraham was born, I am! "" (John 8:57-58). and in mark jesus said it himself"But Jesus remained silent and gave no answer. Again the high priest asked him, "Are you the Christ, the Son of the Blessed One? " "I am, " said Jesus. "And you will see the Son of Man sitting at the right hand of the Mighty One and coming on the clouds of heaven. "" (Mark 14:61-62). God almighty didn't disagree himself "And a voice from heaven said, "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased. "" (Matthew 3:17). so sweetnecta, dont be fooled into condemnation! A religion that encourages you to lie in any condition whatsoever is no religion and a god that encourages you to deny him either to save the perishable flesh or to propagate his lies is no God. Keep practicing lies(taqiyyah) thinking it'll cover the truth or killing the people saying the truth(jihad) thinking it'll stiffle the truth, but in the end, you'll dine in hell with allah!

Bulldog:

what you omitted? Read the posts. You are getting more and more confused as time passes. Yes muslims dont stop telling christians that cos you muslims cant stop lying, Why? Jesus wasn't crucified yet the romans knew he ws and allah cant delete history you know. Lol. is he God? See for yourself liar

LagosShia:

let me help "Bulldog" here and post for him the verses from the Holy Quran that suppports "Taqiyyah" when one's life is in danger and to escape death by denying one's faith (expedient dissimulation):

Bulldog:

blah blah blah(read lagoshias original text to see all the conditions for abandoning allah)so what that means is that allah is your god only in good times and in tough times like the ones you stated, you can abandon/switch faith? That's deception and inconsistency for which only the devil is known for. But jesus made it crystal clear to humanity that ""Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." (Matthew 10:32-33). that's consistency and what a true religion and a true God should be known for!

LagosShia:

our puppy is going mad! he just keep going wild expressing himself like someone shouting and fighting and pulling his hair. please "Bulldog",take it easy.you cannot help yourself by believing in christianity.it just doesn't make sense!

Regarding 3:28, Ibn Kathir, a prominent authority writes, "meaning, except those believers who in some areas or times fear for their safety from the disbelievers. In this case, such believers are allowed to show friendship to the disbelievers outwardly, but never inwardly." He quotes Muhammad's companion, Abu Ad-Darda', who said "we smile in the face of some people although our hearts curse them," and Al-Hasan who said "the Tuqyah is acceptable till the Day of Resurrection."

Bulldog:

blah blah blah(read lagoshias original text to see all the conditions for abandoning allah)so what that means is that allah is your god only in good times and in tough times like the ones you stated, you can abandon/switch faith? That's deception and inconsistency for which only the devil is known for. But jesus made it crystal clear to humanity that ""Whoever acknowledges me before men, I will also acknowledge him before my Father in heaven. But whoever disowns me before men, I will disown him before my Father in heaven." (Matthew 10:32-33). that's consistency and what a true religion and a true God should be known for!

Sweetnecta:

@Bulldog: « #36 on: Today at 10:41:17 AM »Damn you dog! I read the Quran in Arabic. There is no meaning of Takiyya in 3/28. Check your Bibles, you will find direct and indirect ruling for deception. If you will make excuses for the lies and deceits in your Bibles, at least apply the same to 3/28 of the Quran wherein strict instruction is given about not putting yourself in harm's way.

If Muhammad [as] was the writer of the Quran even as we know him to be an illiterate, he will definitely surpass in intellect and honesty and resolve than you 1 God and then 3 Gods.

Muhammad got it right the first time while all of you with the 3 Gods in support are still editing. And you will never stop editing.

(Kitab al-Hidaya, Chapter
Five)
“Taqiyya is allowed in matters
related to manifestation of
friendship or enmity; and it is
also allowed in matters
connected to professing (their)
religion. But it is certainly not
allowed in matters which affect
other persons, like murder,
fornication, usurpation of
property, perjury, slander of
married women or informing the
unbelievers about the weak
points in the Muslims’ defence.

and before you start argueing
also read this. Lol

Al-Hidāyah is the title of a
famous Hanafi juridical work by
Burhān al-Dīn ‘Alī ibn Abī Bakr al-
Marghīnānī (1152–1197) which
is considered widely
authoritative as a guide to fiqh
amongst Muslims in Central Asia,
Afghanistan and India, and is the
basis for much of the Anglo-
Islamic law in India and Pakistan.
[1]
This guidance is believed to
have
been primarily provided in the
form of the Qur’an.

en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/
Hidayah

Sweetnecta:


If Muhammad [as] was the writer of the Quran even as we know him to be an illiterate, he will definitely surpass in intellect and honesty and resolve than you 1 God and then 3 Gods.

Muhammad got it right the first time while all of you with the 3 Gods in support are still editing. And you will never stop editing.

in
a previous sura says 2:256 Let
there be no compulsion in
religion :, And not very far away
from the that again he blurted
out 8:12 I will instill terror into
the hearts of the unbelievers:
smite ye above their necks and
smite all their finger-tips off
them only a fool of a god is
meant to make a statement and
then make another statement
completely abrogating his
previous statement.

LagosShia:

^^^^^^^^

brother Sweetnecta,this "dog" is in pitiable condition.he thinks he is making sense or convincing anyone by barking and charging with no teeth to bite.

just do as i did.ignore his senseless and meaningless rantings and name callings.just touch on the main points you find necessary to explain.in that way people will grasp the difference between a senseless and empty christian who is both empty morally,spiritually and physically and a muslim who uses facts and evidence to base his conclusions in a very rational way.

like i said,this puppy is drowing in his own words,you saw the quotes i presented i think.i asked him for us to debate in only one thread the issue of taqiyyah.he refused and implied i wanted to run away.he then acccused me of jumping from one thread to another.he is lost.he should be pitied and not be blamed.

may be he was reprimanded for the confession he made about the bible.all his behaviour now is out of frustration.he appears to have forgotten the topic of this thread.

bukatyne: @lagos shia n sweetnecta: good evening. i don't want to discuss dis tread wit u both but i want to clear something for u both about the Bible: 1. the Bible contains a lot of things; sins people committed and d consequences of dat sin so if u re sayin a prophet or child of God did this or dat, find out if God condoled that action b/4 saying that Moses did this, David did that etc. God expressed it in d Bible that our righteousness (right acts) re like filthy rags! we are made right in d sight of God by Grace through Jesus Christ that's by people like David can be called a man after God's heart. So pls, don't misquote d Bible or should i say misunderstand? have a nice day!

bukatyne: @lagosShia: u didn't read my post or misunderstood it. i m usin my mobile fone so i can't really quote posts but i remember sayin that we re made holy by God's grace.

I never said God condones sin; He is too holy to behold sin. He hates d sin but loves d sinner that's y He sent His only begotten son Jesus Christ to die for our sins n reconcile us back to Him. besides, al those people u mentioned re ordinary people and d only Person that is d mirror for Christian Living Is Jesus Christ and not David Or Moses Or anyone else.

they were also tryin to walk wit God. The Bible records al their shortcomings, fears, deeds both good n bad so that we Christians of today that those that walked wit God before faced d same temptations and challenges we are facin or ll face and they either fell or didn't. we look @ those that fell n try to avoid wat made them fall and wat d Bible says about it. I m explaining this to u so dat next time u read d Bible or hear a story or wateva, u ll not just jump into conclusions. i m very sure u wouldn't like it if a read a story in d Quran n twist it to suit me or misinterprete it. God Bless!

Osei Sarpong :
It isn't true that all scriptures are not inspired by God.
Read your scriptures well
1tim 3:16 says All scriptures are inspired by God but did not say some scriptures are inspired by God.It isn't true that all scriptures are not inspired by God.
Read your scriptures well
1tim 3:16 says All scriptures are inspired by God but did not say some scriptures are inspired by God.It isn't true that all scriptures are not inspired by God.
Read your scriptures well
1tim 3:16 says All scriptures are inspired by God but did not say some scriptures are inspired by God.