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| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by Nobody: 10:58pm On Feb 24, 2012 |
Kaboom!: She died in d hospital, Her last words, 'Jesus help me', With so much trust, Innocent heart, Who would be so wicked not to have come to her rescue?? I've seen more dan 20 counsellors, none culd explain why he took her, i used to bliv he had power to undo and change things, I think ur god demands soo much from a 5year old, in order to save her, |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by Doptimist2: 11:06pm On Feb 24, 2012 |
@ Imanuelle and nairalanders I knw it hurts but despite all that happened GOD is still God, he didn't fail you, most of the things that happen to us could also so be a test of our faith like in the case of JOB. It could be this was your own case of test, you can't really tell. To try to clear the air here, God doesn't use his hand to take that Which he had given to us. What JOB said there was his own perception of God, of course God gave Satan the chance to do that Which he did but remember God never touch JOB. But all was because he knew JOB will not fail him. He said ' he'll not allow temptation that is bigger than us to tempt us'. Sometimes he allows for a reason and sometimes what happens to us is as a result of our negligence to certain things. So many things could have been the cause of her death. I don't want to go into that now. God never fails. Try as much as you can to reconcile bck with God. He's the only one that can help you right now. Note. God is only concern about his own people but the grace is available to all. We are the apple of God's eye, meaning he's only interested in those who have decided to respond to his call. He's aware of all that happens on earth but only gives ears to what is abt to happen is happening to his children. He recommends what is to happen to only those who are called by his name. Lastly, it is stated that anyone who breaks the hedge the serpent will bite. Last help each other in prayer that we not fall out of faith So as not to break the hedge. I pray God to heal your heart and cure the pains and the hurts as well as forgive you and strengthens you again in faith. |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by elewele100: 11:14pm On Feb 24, 2012 |
God is the provider of everything each of us has in our lives. Just as easily as God gave something to a person, God can take it away. For example, when a person finds a ₦500 note on the sidewalk, but later receives a parking ticket where he has to pay ₦500. So it goes: God allowed him to find the ₦500,but God took it away soon after. |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by Nobody: 11:14pm On Feb 24, 2012 |
Nikky, u lost a job, Not a loved one, A job can be replaced, But not a loved one. D-optimist, I thot he said he wouldn't allow a temptation gr8er dan us to get to us, Dis one really pass me, I never broke any hedge, I was even once disowned by my father due to my xtian life, I do not claim to be too righteous,, but i was upRight during dose wasted years in d church, |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by Joagbaje(m): 11:20pm On Feb 24, 2012 |
God doesn't take away his blessing from us. Proverbs 10:22 The blessing of the Lord, it maketh rich,and he addeth no sorrow with it. |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by seyibrown(f): 11:22pm On Feb 24, 2012 |
Imanuelle: Immanuelle, 'To be absent in the body is to be present with the Lord'. The Lord did what was best for your lil sis! If her last words were 'Jesus help me', He did help her! In the presence of God there is fulness of Joy. She is in a better place in the presence of God. She fulfilled her purpose in life, no matter how short her stay was. I pray that God helps you to understand the matter. Ask him to help you to understand . . . . . . don't be angry . . . . . ask for understanding instead. God bless you! |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by Doptimist2: 11:29pm On Feb 24, 2012 |
@ Imanuele I did say it could be because of so many things, You just made mention that your father disowned you because of your Christian life. Your little sister is just too unlucky to be a victim of whatsoever would be that reason for such a disaster, you can't tell what your parents, parents parents must have done, don't forget the bible says that the sins of the fathers will be carried over to their children and children children, There are still many more suspected causes but still wouldn't heal the hurt in you. I would ask you stop seeking and asking him questions because i knw if he wants to answer you the way you really want the answer it'd not be palatable. All i can tell you is that HE knws why your sister had to go that early. Ask him not to allow such happen again and be grateful that atleast you're still alive. Tomorrow is sure if you still blive him. |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by nikky5(m): 11:32pm On Feb 24, 2012 |
[tr][table]She died in d hospital, Her last words, 'Jesus help me', With so much trust, Innocent heart, Who would be so wicked not to have come to her rescue?? I've seen more dan 20 counsellors, none culd explain why he took her, i used to bliv he had power to undo and change things, I think ur god demands soo much from a 5year old, in order to save her, [/table][/tr] The Lord has reasons for whatever He does and His actions are unquestionable.When he took my wife last year after delivery despite all the fasting,prayers and vigils.The baby is alive and doing well while she is with the Lord blissfully enjoying the glories of the heavenlies.I am still in this evil world looking for that day when i will see her again.Thank god the little girl knew Jesus before she died. |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by nikky5(m): 11:42pm On Feb 24, 2012 |
[tr][table]She died in d hospital, Her last words, 'Jesus help me', With so much trust, Innocent heart, Who would be so wicked not to have come to her rescue?? I've seen more dan 20 counsellors, none culd explain why he took her, i used to bliv he had power to undo and change things, I think ur god demands soo much from a 5year old, in order to save her, [/table][/tr] The Lord has reasons for whatever He does and His actions are unquestionable.When he took my wife last year after delivery despite all the fasting,prayers and vigils.The baby is alive and doing well while she is with the Lord blissfully enjoying the glories of the heavenlies.I am still in this evil world looking for that day when i will see her again.Thank god the little girl knew Jesus before she died. |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by Nobody: 12:31am On Feb 25, 2012 |
Am not trying to be mean but what if the baby turns out to be a source of sorrow to you years down the line? What if the child turns out to a pain to him/hers (self) in the future? What is the life that waits the child in the future is a very harsh and cruel one? What if the child dying is what is best for the child? I know it is a lot to take in but think of of the what ifs. This might just be the best for the kid and all around the kid in many years to come. Just yesterday I read on naijapals of a kid that shot the dad and stab his mom. You can imagine that the only thing that came to mind was if God had taken the kid away from his parents at a tender age am sure the parents would have be so mad at God. My dear it is difficult to understand why "evil' things happen to us even when we believe and hold on to God dearly. As long as you believe in God always remember one thing, no matter how bad the situation looks it is for our own good. Take heart dear! |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by Kaboom1: 1:49am On Feb 25, 2012 |
Imanuelle: I cant even begin to Imagine your pain cos loosing a loved one is not something you wished on even your worst enemy but blaming God for her death is a different story, As there is nothing man has experienced that has not happened before in the Bible, There are certain things called Mysteries, (The Unknown) and as mortals we cant figure out everything, we are not even capable of that, Maybe, just maybe if we have all the answers and knows the bigger picture we would know or understand better, Jesus Christ (going through a painful and horrifying death) said almost the same thing your lil sister said, He too cried for help and God turned his face to look the other way and this is his most beloved and precious, Should we then conclude that he is wicked? Don't allow your pain, hurt and sorrowful state make you reject God, I know of a Pastor and I mean real Pastor not the Charlatans running around calling themselves Pastors. I am talking of a man with a heart of Gold that is there for people, He has a young wife who you would call an angel, that is the only way you can describe this young lady. If I have to pick just one genuine Pastor in the world I would pick him. Through him God heals and does Miracles that even the most hardened heart would be left dumbfounded, But guess what! His young wife(The angel) after giving birth to two children, gave birth to the third child and died immediately, I am telling you that this is a man that God uses to do so many Miracles and now his wife dies suddenly, He cried so much like a little baby, screaming and asking WHY?? After that he went back to his job as pastor still healing and performing Miracles, What would you make of that? Till now when he talks about his wife you will feel he is talking about an angel, yet when she died he went back serving God, Does he know things we don't know? Has he seen what we have not seen? Has he heard things we have never heard before? This is not your average local champion but an highly intelligent man that also excelled in school. I am not telling you about a fairy-tale but real life story and I can make you meet the man if you want to. Sit down and discuss with him, I can give you transport money, And One thing I can guarantee you is you will come back with more understanding, (But first I think you should first know who I am,,because if you see me, you will be surprised that someone like me would talk like this or even believe) So when you are ready lemme know I will give you my FB Profile, Hang in there my brother, the mysteries of this world/life are many |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by TomFord: 2:33am On Feb 25, 2012 |
Immanuelle,take solace in David experience(yeah i know they ain't similar to an extent) God had told David the child would die,he did every thing possible for God to have a change of heart(he pleaded,prayed and fast)all to no avail Does that make God cruel?Eventually the baby died,the attendants to David couldn't inform him but he perceived it that the child was gone,he immediately got up,washed,anointed himself,changed clothes,worshipped God and requested for food to the surprise of everyone(read 2Samuel 12:18-24) We can only sympathise with you but God alone will comfort you and give you beauty for ashes.Its best you returned to your First love Hold unto the scripture that says your latter will be greater than the former. Read 2Samuel from chapter 11 for a clearer picture. |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by violent(m): 2:48am On Feb 25, 2012 |
My mum passed away about 2 years ago, the darkest moments of my life. I naturally blamed God for it all, who wouldn't? I have however come to know: . . . .that nothing will exist forever, the world was never designed that way! . . .that Good things happen to bad people and bad things happen to good people, that is a natural process that will never change notwithstanding whoever or whatever you believe in! . . . . .that all men either good or bad, must die! . . .and yes, by all men, that includes people very dear to you!. . .your prayers would not change this fact! . . . .that not everyone will live to a hundred years. . .not everyone will make it past 50!. . the fact that someone you know dies early does not necessarily mean God loves them any less. . . . .that the pains we feel when a loved one passes away is due mainly to our selfish human emotions. If dying means sleeping peacefully away from the many terrible woes of this world, do we really suppose our loved ones who have passed away would prefer to remain here if they had a choice? . . . .that God feels our pain, and even he, witnessed the crucifiction of his only son and did nothing to stop it, so that what has been written may come to pass. . . . .that he has promised that "He will wipe every tear from their eyes. There will be no more death or mourning or crying or pain, for the old order of things has passed away." |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by otheloze: 3:35am On Feb 25, 2012 |
Reading this thread makes me appreciate the popular saying " who no go no Know". Its funny how the main stream religion limits people from truly seeking God NOT from a Biased point. I WONDER WHY BRETHREN CANT SEE THAT GOD AND SATAN ARE BOTH CO-WORKERS IN THE PERFECTION OF THE HUMAN SPIRIT [b](Heresy !! i know u all screaming but experience makes it all clearer). I was a CEC Havens President many years ago, and my mother was a Pentecostal pastor, my late mother was as faithful and upright as i could ever imagine, but along the line she fell ill for a period of time i did all i could do spiritually, made every sacrifice i could do along with my siblings and her local church. The most painful part was we openly had conflict with my mothers relatives refusing them administering any form of trado-medical stuffs. Alas she died and we bore all the blame for her death. which i still carry till this moment, if only i knew what i know now who knows she probably would have survived. Good and evil comes from God QED (duality of perfection). You need to experience evil to appreciate Good |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by tiebe: 8:07am On Feb 25, 2012 |
I'm a christian, i absolutely believe in God and I know all power is His but I feel saying God gives and God takes makes Him sound like He just wakes up and randomly decides he's going to kill someone. when people go to console the bereaved and they say God gives and God takes, i feel like asking, why ddnt he take your own? I cannot fully explain why some people die apparently unnecessarily, even children. . . so i wont even try. but someone once said its cos we as christians havent really understood the principles of God or achieved d level of spirituality we should. afterall, God has given us all power. . . but sometimes, i feel taking someone i love is a bit too much of a tough lesson na. you coulda let me lose my car to teach me d same lesson. . . but Jesus said He did not promise us a life without tribulation but that through it all, he would carry us through. so, being a christian doesnt mean everything will always be hunky dorey. we all want victorious lives but er. . . who has ever seen a conqueror who ddnt have to battle? its coming out of the battles that make us victorious. also, He's given us all power on earth, but in a lot of ways our faith is not @ d level it should be. afterall, the people who displayed faith in d bible achieved great faith and they have the same authority as we do. But even I knw that my faith needs some working on. . . if i had to pray someone back to life, i'd most likely chicken out. . even when I know I've been given the power to do so. . . |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by timmy7(m): 9:43am On Feb 25, 2012 |
Like someone wrote nothing happens without God's consent, therefore Job is right when he said the Lord giveth and the Lord taketh because God permitted satan to afflict him to prove a point to satan. Remember God has a good thoughts towards us, just that we dont know the pathway to that expected end. Just as Job didnt know about the encounter or bet between God and satan, so will humans never understand why some things happen, neither will they come to grasp verses like '' the righteous are taken before evil days, '' quoted when good people die. |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by mkmyers45(m): 11:53am On Feb 25, 2012 |
Joagbaje: Then who takes? |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by EagleNest(m): 3:01pm On Feb 25, 2012 |
'The Lord giveth and the Lord taketh' is a truth depending on which camp you belong. Two forces have been in contention since the fall of Adam and these are forces of Light and darkness. If you belong to the camp of God (light), surely darkness cannot comprehend you. Darkness has power and control and yet is powerless before God. Anyone under the camp of darkness is no longer under the protection of God even though such person was created by God. And interestingly you have a free choice of which camp you want to belong. In Jobs case, it is a contest of faith, patience and trust in God as Satan has accused Job of being under the protection of God and has prospered. Job as a character does not know what he was contending with but throughout the contest he stood his ground and remained in the camp of God inspite all the insults and degradation. I am not sure any person born by woman except Christ has sufferred as job has (lossing everything!). At the end of the contest, Job won and God doubled his blessings. All that he lost, he recovered in many folds. Similarly, Satan tempted Jesus Christ, and he lost. When he desired Peter, Christ intervened because of His future program for Peter. For Judas case, it was a disaster! Another angle is the grace of God. Even if you fall at Satan's trial, if you turn to God for help, surely He will not turn His back on you. King David failed woefully by taking count of Israelites and realising his error and the punishment to come. He chose the option of being punished by God than man because He said God is merciful. Which camp do you belong? |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by silibaba: 5:23pm On Feb 25, 2012 |
god is really confused and uselessyou are finished inside  |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by Nobody: 10:16pm On Feb 25, 2012 |
To say the Lord giveth and taketh is very correct! God permitted the Devil, and restored unto Job his losses in chapter 42. For the people who think its a wrong saying, remember that nothing happens without the God in the know. |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by Nobody: 7:37am On Feb 26, 2012 |
@imanuelle God does not have to answer to you, he's unquestionable! My mother had 13 pregnancies, only 9 survived gestation and only five are alive today! Is it fair? By human standards, no! But if all nine of us had lived, she'd be a widow with 2 sicklers, one down syndrome child and my late eldest sis might be something else. The bible says God takes away the righteous before the evil day, and that He is the God of all flesh. If your kid sis didn't die and was bed ridden for 13 years before she passed on, you'd prolly ask to wrestle God? Your case isn't the worst, and I understand your loss! Pls draw close to God before unnecessary hate consumes you! And mind you, your vigil and pastor na im know where dem see their vision. But remember, that not today, not ever will a human, none the least you, question God! |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by joeace2020(m): 8:38am On Feb 26, 2012 |
everybody is saying God permitted satan to hurt Job that is how God did not directly inflict sorrows on job but i am confused about the case of uzzah; the man who tried to keep the ark of the convenant from falling, why did God not give the devil permission to perpetrate the act? could he be so loving and just and kill a man who acted probably out of ignorance and forgetfulness? answers please, |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by Jack65: 11:11am On Feb 26, 2012 |
I don't really believe in god. I think is just a fairytale bulshit the primitive people used to explain the things they don't understand. I am surprised people still belive in this bulshit. The Job story in the bible is wrong in many ways, I see people here talking about Job's children as if the are just chickens, they are human beings, just like you and me and even Job their father. To say that allowed Satan whom he created and empowered to kill them all just to test one man should tell you people what god is, a sadist who uses his own people for experiments. The same thing comes to mind when you think of the story of the garden of Eden, God created two people who doesn't know yet what is right or wrong. Then he planted two trees, one for knowledge and the other for life (why  ?? Is it necessary) And told them not to eat it, again WHY, I mean if he don't want them to eat it why plant it there in the first place? Knowing that these people are like children who doesn't know right from wrong. Then he sent Satan to go and tempt them, if he is omnipotent as the bible claim the he must have forseen the outcome yet he let it happen so that he can punish mankind for his own mistakes.Do you people see how absurd all these sound, people keep blaiming the Devil, Satan, the enemy that god created for the evil that god could have prvented. God is just a very bad joke. Thank god I am an Atheist!!! |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by gempo(m): 2:06pm On Feb 26, 2012 |
The thing is that some people don't want to take responsibilities for their action. Down here in Nigeria, we are so religious that any small thing we put it to God or the work of the devil. But there are still some situations whereby we just don't have the answers. |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by Chuksxp: 3:58pm On Feb 26, 2012 |
joeace2020: Well, I think in the court of law, ignorance is no excuse. Though it's been a while since I read Uzzah's story, but I think God did directly strike him dead. Btw, Uzzah didn't act out of ignorance. He knew God commanded them not to touch the Ark. God is a just judge, so He must justly punish law breakers. The soul that sinneth shall die. Uzzah disobeyed and sinned against God, so he died. |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by Obalende: 7:34pm On Feb 26, 2012 |
good poin Chuksxp, but dont forget God foreknew Uzzah was going to disobey and be illed, same for Judas, same for the crucifiers of Christ. God foreknew these men would do all these things. |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by abustinozic: 4:57am On Feb 27, 2012 |
how about the case of Job? |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by Koolking(m): 10:21am On Feb 27, 2012 |
Chuksxp: |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by itaimaobong: 11:11am On Feb 27, 2012 |
yes o |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by mkmyers45(m): 12:23pm On Feb 27, 2012 |
Chuksxp: And the ark will have smashed on the ground? Why did God let it trip in the first place? To punish Him? |
| Re: The Lord Giveth And The Lord Taketh? by Kobojunkie: 2:16am On May 23, 2023 |
mkmyers45:Well, it is God who gives and God who takes away. Nobody can take away anything without God's explicit permission, at least in the case of the righteous.  |
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