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Roland17:
Baba,

You have just made a false allegation with your insinuations. I will not allow this argument degenerate any further. Your position is well understood.

And yours is as well.

Ozil took a ‘disrespectful’ picture with Erdogan and you actually went as far as calling for him to renounce German Citizenship and Pack to Turkey.

Yet you’ve taken great pains to draw a distinction between American insults to Donald Trump and American insults to his office, which is quite interesting. You also don’t feel De Niro should be deported for chanting ‘Eff Trump’ because he did not say ‘Italian President is my President’

Dogs all over the world can hear your whistle bro.

Like Pusha T said, if you know, you know.

raumdeuter:
nihilistjnr

They are both naturally born Germans who have parents of Turkish roots, at the point early in their career they had the option of choosing any of Germany and Turkey. Being born in Germany didn't force them to play for Germany players like Sahin and Altintop were born in Germany but chose to play for Turkey

Now choosing Germany and to fly Germany colors, then you cannot be doing "My President" especially at a time when there is a political impasse between Turkey and Germany.

I know Merkel has said they made a mistake and we should move on, That is my position as well. I think they made a mistake but not enough to disqualify them from play for the country.

But the German nationalists have a point especially about immigrants, The point is that they are never fully loyal to the new country and choosing Germany was probably an economic and better prospect for their career. Ozil and Gundogan are still prt of the crew that don't sing the National anthem

At least you don’t choose to hide your right wing views behind a thin veneer of questionable logic like Roland17, you just come out and say it as is.

Playing for Germany is a career move not a political decision.

Playing for Germany is more lucrative due to sponsorships, and allows the player to demand a higher pay packet from employers as a member of one of the biggest national sides in football history.

Playing for Germany also provides the opportunity to win trophies that Turkey can never provide.

Don’t make the mistake of believing that playing for Germany is the patriotic choice, or a political decision- it’s not.
Playing for Germany does not confer any additional rights to those Ozil and Gundogan already had at Birth as German citizens.

If their political affiliation still lies with Turkey so be it.

Boris Johnson is a UK government minister, a career politician, and possible future UK prime minister. He is also a US citizen - well until last year when he renounced US citizenship, and only because he felt his tax liability to the IS was too high.

Personal Politics and the colour of your kpali don’t always have to be correlated

Roland17:
LWKMD. Dayo don suffer for una hand.

Firstly, being a naturalized American is not a right, it is a privilege, one I am especially grateful for because of the numerous opportunities it has afforded me in life and I have no regrets about it, neither do I have to justify it to anyone.

The Robert De Niro you made reference to is of Italian descent, so after he denounced Trump did he refer to Sergio Marttarella as "My president" or did he show allegiance to Italy? You made reference to celebrities who have rejected President Trump, but, how many of them have bragged about a foreign president especially one who share the same heritage as "My President"? Americans can disrespect the president, however, hold the office of the president sacred.

Granit Xhaka and his elder brother Taulant Xhaka were both born in Basel Switzerland, but Taulant chose a different path by choosing to represent the Albanian national team and hold its citizenship while Granit represents Switzerland even though he is aware that his heritage is Albanian. Abeg where have you seen Granit defer allegiance to Albania? even though I would love to think he still identifies with his roots.

Ozil and Gunda made mistakes, they can apologize and move on or better still ask Merkel to renounce their citizenship and port to Turkey immediately.

You’re reaching now.

Somebody took a picture with a Turkish leader and captured it “my president”, you say he’s being disrespectful to German president

Somebody recorded a goddam song saying Fück the current president of the USA, you still say they respect Presidential office.

From where I’m sat, My diagnosis is a case of double-standards...with a hint of islamophobia

Roland17:
I and many others on this forum live in the United States and when you take your oath of Naturalization, for those who are citizens, the judge makes it clears that your loyalty is WITH ONLY THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA. The use of dual citizenship is purely for flexibility and not constitutional as far as the United States is concerned.

Read the Naturalization Oath of Allegiance to the United States of America below carefully.


"I hereby declare, on oath, that I absolutely and entirely renounce and abjure all allegiance and fidelity to any foreign prince, potentate, state, or sovereignty, of whom or which I have heretofore been a subject or citizen; that I will support and defend the Constitution and laws of the United States of America against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I will bear arms on behalf of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform noncombatant service in the Armed Forces of the United States when required by the law; that I will perform work of national importance under civilian direction when required by the law; and that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; so help me God."

What does America have to do with Turks and Germans ffs?

Also did they tell you Ozil and Gundogan had to hussle for German Kpali? Both were born and raised in Germany. It’s Nigerians who are running away from Buhari induced suffering that are willing to renounce anything remouncable- some will renounce their parents, children, even their Gender

. Raumdeuter that is as black as midnight agreed that he was an albino so he could get green card, so please leave all that one at the door, unless you were there with Angela Merkel forcing Ozil and Gundogan to only recognise German president.

Speaking of, since you’re in Yankee, then you should know about the multitude of Americans chanting ‘Not my president’ in the wake of the Trump electoral victory. YG and Nipseyhustle released a song literally called ‘Fück Donald Trump’. All the celebrities lined up to abuse the guy. Robert De Niro led a crowded hall of celebrities in chanting ‘fück Donald Trump’ at an award Gala. Nobody can deport them or send them no damn where. They are Americans.

I won’t advise you to join them sha. You know you had to renounce Buhari and Dino Melaye for that Kpali. If you even complain about go slow lasaan, FBI can bundle you straight and dump you at Ikeja-along sharply.

Lastly, I leave you with the words of Angela Merkel, the leader of this same Germany. When discussing the Ozil and Gundogan picture, she said:

"I'd like to think to play a good World Cup we need them all now, and they belong to this national team, and that's why I'd be delighted if a few fans could applaud them as well."



Lobatan. Alaga Germany ti soro...and you ain’t more German than her

Roland17:
Baba, this is not about emotional convictions about heritage and roots especially when speaking in public. If you are a dual citizen, I would hope you would not make the monumental mistake of not showing loyalty to the nation where you are a citizen.

Like said earlier, my disdain for their actions has nothing to do with their support for Erdogan's government (political positions differ) but to publicly say "My President" is flat out unacceptable and disrespectful to the office of the German Chancellor. As far the world is concerned, Ozil and Gundogan are Germans, consequently, loyalty should remain with Germany. If they are tired, they can revoke their citizenship and move to Germany.

You do realise that the phrase ‘Dual Citizen’, means citizen of TWO countries right?

Vanquay:
As a dual citizen, loyalty should be to the country you reside in and has helped you the most. Ozil and Gundogan are just brainless twats.

Gundogan and Ozil reside in England and got their biggest ever payday here.

By your definition, they should be posing for pictures while prostrating full dobale for Meghan Markle, and Harry their everlasting Alaye

Roland17:
In my opinion it is absurd and disrespectful to the office of the German Chancellor and Germans. I am not speaking because Erdogan is hated by the west, particularly members of the G7, but because loyalty should lie with the nation you hold citizenship with.

Na wa for you o. So a Turk should just forget about the land of his ancestors, simply because he holds German kpali.

Since when did adopting a personal political stance depend on avoiding conflict with others?

pamcode:
I understand the politics and the issue of ethics surrounding the decision to sack lopetugui but I feel it a wrong decision football wise to sack a coach two days before the opener in the world Cup nevertheless the extent of damage would be determined by how deep Hierro was into Lopetugui's plan.

I can’t see how Spain don’t fracture into splinters in the dressing room after this.

It’s being widely reported that Sergio Ramos led a delegation of players to petition the Spanish FA to keep Lopetegui - That’s the current Real Madrid captain trying to keep the current Real Madrid manager in the Spanish Hotseat.

Some could see that as a factional powerplay. Imagine how that would have been reported if that move had worked

Tactically, I think Spain don’t really need a coach. That squad is comprised of some of the most accomplished footballers in the history of game, and have played together for many years, in some cases for well over a decade. Them Sabi the work wella.

But I think the Spain Coach isn’t really there for tactics. Of course, he will pick a game plan and run drills etc, but these players are super elite. They can run the play.

I think the Spain coach’s job is similar to Zidanes at Madrid - Keep the peace, satiate the egos, and unite the factions, so that the world class talent can fully focus on their work on the pitch

Can Hierro do all of that especially in such limited time? Let’s wait and see

raumdeuter:
What do you think of Ozil and Gundogan taking pictures with Turkish president Erdogan and Gundog calling him "My President"

Im not sure there is any merit to answering this question.

Players have taken drugs, raped women, beat up fans or bystanders, stolen cars, and even killed people and still made their way into various football squads.

Like Pique in my previous post, Players are unique in being both saleable assets as well as employees. For National Teams that can often have access to even smaller talent pools than a league 2 club, then the top players can be given a considerable amount of leeway to misyarn and misdo

Spain coach is not a player.

raumdeuter:
Even though Spain is for all, Someone like Guardiola is fiercely pro-Catalan and if he were to be made a NT coach there wont be any doubt where his allegiance lies, All former or current Spanish coaches will have which side of the divide to fall. Hierro the new guy is also a Madridista, former Madrid captain and former youth team coach of Madrid

Players like Pique are very vocal anti Spain yet they continue to get played, why didnt he use the "All Spain" argument to exclude Pique and those with extreme political views

Its not like the Lopetegui guy has been thinking about the Madrid job for a long time, Zidane resigned less than 2 weeks ago, so the entire Madrid contact was probably less than a week in duration

He wont resume in Madrid until after the world cup, so why destroy the dreams of all the kids and players who have been looking to win a world cup for the past 4yrs.

The FA chairman is just a drama queen, I think most of the players will be in support of just playing the WC with the Lope guy

I doubt Guardiola would be current Barca coach and still be Spain Manager.

Julen was in a unique position of being an incumbent Real Madrid manager. Politically his position was untenable.

You make a great point about Pique, but don’t forget that the player himself recognised the conflict of interest during the Catalan independence crisis last year, and even offered to retire from Spanish NT if the FA decided he was a nuisance.

Of course, Pique being one of the biggest names in world football will be less dispensable than a Spanish coach who has yet to achieve anything substantial in his career, but the fact that Pique felt that he may be forced to retire over his political views shows that this was and is a pretty serious issue

raumdeuter:
This doesnt make any sense to me

Spain has always been divided and most people are either pro Spain or anti Spain

Lopetegui negotiated and agreed to be Madrid boss before Monday, Is there a crime in that?

The story was leaked out somehow whether intentionally or not

This isnt the first time a coach is signing for another job while still at the current job. Most career people interview and agree terms for new employer while at old employer

LvG signed to join Man Utd while still at Holland at World cup 2014, Conte signed to coach Chelsea while still coach or Italy at Euro 2016, Guardiola agreed to join City while still Bayern coach, Mourinho agreed to join Chelsea while still in Madrid, Mou agreed to join Madrid while still at inter

So I honestly don't get the rationale and throwing away the chance at a world cup because of this

If Spain doesnt win, then the whole nation will say, well, who knows what could have happened if we didnt sack the coach

Well, the argument is that Spain has always been the no mans land for the warring Barca and Madrid factions, and now all of a sudden, an active Real Madrid manager is in charge of Spain. The potential implications of that on the dressing room, are obvious to me, most especially in these days where Barcelona as a club seemed to be deeply involved in the political movement of the Catalonian secession.
Real Madrid are unofficially the Government team, so a Real Madrid manager running the squad could be interpreted by Catalan nationalists as just another example of Catalan oppression etc.


I believe that the argument I reposted, is somewhat backed by the press release from the Spanish FA which took pains to stress that the Spain Team is the team for “all Spaniards”

I think it was probably the wrong decision to make, but I think the politics behind it drove that decision

Read this comment from the Guardian

Anyone who thinks the Spanish FA overreacted is either an RM supporter or totally clueless.

The Spanish squad has always had the talent to win tournaments, but because of the fact that it is essentially drawn from two tribes that hate each other, they have traditionally been a team divided. And in 2018 the potential for division has been higher than ever given the push for Catalonian independence.

The main challenge for the NT manager has always been to keep the squad united, and never has that been as important as in 2018 given the political situation. So what did people expect would be the consequence of the manager coming out two days before the tournament starts and telling the dressing room "I've declared my allegiance to one of you two tribes after this is over." It is a totally untenable position for that manager to be in. If he picks a Madrid player over a Barca player half the team would mutiny. And if he picks a Barca player over a Madrid player he would risks his relationship with the management and players at RM. There is no way that the manager could dance around those conflicts of interest in the most politically sensitive dressing room in world football.

When Real Madrid made the announcement they would have known 100% what the consequence would be, and it's obvious they announced it when they did so as to force that outcome. As every second poster said when the RM appointment was made, if Lopetegui did poorly at the tournament then Madrid would be embarrassed. So from RM's point of view, having made the appointment, the next step was to announce it when they did, in the manner that they did, making it certain that he could not continue in the NT role.

The fortnite drill anthem.

If you know, you know


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-tli_QEb6IE

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Kbj2Zss-5GY

I just even discovered that Yaya is also a citizen of Malta.

Surely that means Pep must love him as he is a naturalised African

raumdeuter:
https://www.mcfcwatch.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/Manchester-City-v-Burnley-Premier-League-e1510746731824.jpg
“I never had any problem with Pep Guardiola,” said Sagna. “Whenever I was good, I playing. Whenever I was not playing well, I was on the bench.

“To me, it’s part of a football player’s life. Personally, I never felt different from any other player.

“I don’t know what the relationship (between Pep and Yaya) is today. But personally, I never had any problems. He was always respectful to me and my family. That’s all I want to say.”

https://www.mcfcwatch.com/2018/06/12/bacary-sagna-offers-his-view-on-yaya-toures-explosive-pep-guardiola-claims/

He is a naturalised African so his opinion doesn’t count.

elrony:
Yes sir

How far na?

Alfa dey dressing room.

what's your problem

elrony:
The combination of these two couldn't still pull you outta the Wi-LLL-derness

Can you stop posting my damn pics on the thread?

Thanks

Lana1:
Denmark's tactics at the world cup

using either UML or BPMN notation, this process map is a fail.

Izuogu1:
Lol

krychowiak went to world cup sha.

surely that's a win for airmark

Lana1:
Errrm...eskiss sir who Chelsea don sign??

Official club acvounts on twitter:-
Liverpool: Fabinho!
Arsenal: New manager, Lichsteinner, Fellaini
United: Fred, Dalot.
City: Already made squad.
Chelsea: "On this day 5 years ago...."

Still doesn't change the fact that those guys dey eye Fred, like a mechanic observing a misbehaving gasket...

raumdeuter:
Fred don injure already

https://cdn.images.express.co.uk/img/dynamic/galleries/x701/375362.jpg

The way dem dey look the guy like bad market

2 games, 2 Corners conceded.

Basic organisation is missing from that squad.

Lana1:
Wetin man wan talk that has never been said before??

All i know is there's plenty of blame to go around.

My stance on Mourinho is well known. Hate the guy. But poor tactics from the manager shouldn't absolve the players from any blame. Poor management or not, we shouldn't be losing to Huddersfield, Bristol, Newcastle, Sevilla, West Brom etc. And as such, the players go carry bulk of the blame here. If we go share the blame around, e go be 60% blame for the players and 40% blame for the manager

We simply just need to see more from the manager and players alike.

Don't forget Brighton abeg.

raumdeuter:
To be fair, There's not much difference between the 2. One is getting benched by Valencia, One is about to lose his spot to Trent Arnold a 19yr old

clyne was injured for the last 6 months.