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joyandfaith:
There was no killing of innocent people. Ossentia started the war. Hundreds of Georgians were massacred by Ossentia. Georgian villages were destroyed in South ossentia.

get your fact right.
Before anything provide the link

joyandfaith:
There was no tangible reason. Ossentians are second largest tribe in Georgia. The nation is becoming more pro-west. Putin was angry and looked for excuse to invade the country

Killing of innocent people is democratic

joyandfaith:
It was not legally . Illegal referendum was conducted with Russian interference. There was no reason for invasion of Georgia. Under Russian occupation, South ossetia conducted referendum. Many Georgians were displaced. You don’t conduct referendum under military occupation by a biased party.

See how democracy is working for nigeria.

They conducted referedum under millitary occupation, when the south ossentians were protesting what do they used in ending the protest?

joyandfaith:
I am telling you historical fact not politically induced messages. Was that reason Russia invaded Georgia.
The reason georgia was invaded by Russia was Putin doesn't want have liberal democratic nation in his border. Georgia is becoming more westernised and liberal . All Putin allies are dictators- Belarus, North Korea, and Syria.

Was that the reason south ossetia sought for independence and they refuse to liberate them?

joyandfaith:
Why do you think north ossetia become part of Russia? Russian speakers are majority tribes alongside Os due years of russification. In south, Georgians and Ossentians are majority because they are closely related group.
After ussr collapsed, georgia gained independence, south ossetia became part of Georgia and North became part of Russia.
Russia is causing disaffection in Eastern europe

Still asking why do you think south ossetia leaders said they want to join russia federation legally?

joyandfaith:
Not willingly

You're naive of what's going on, you only give facts about history, but you don't follow and understand the content.
The south ossetia leaders said they want legally join russia federation their mother land becos of the northern ossetia in russia.
So that one is what?

joyandfaith:
Ossetians are not Russians. Are they? They are caucusus just like Georgians. Fulanis and Russians are land grabbers using similar approach.

Why do you think south ossetia want to join russia federation willingly?

joyandfaith:
Ossetians are not Russians. Are they? They are caucusus just like Georgians.
Fulanis and Russians are land grabbers using similar approach.

You're just been adamant, you've fed yourself with west lies and you have nothing more in your skull than to terminate the truth.
Do you knw there was conflict between georgia and south ossetia before the invasion?
North ossetia had become part of russia federation along with the south, but was seperated because of georgia independence.
When georgia wanted to gain independence no one condemn it, but south ossetia have been striving to gain their independence and re-unite with the northern part since 2006, but it wasn't approved by georgian government and international, upon the protests and so on they were not liberated.
But russia came to their rescue and re-unite them with their fellow brother they refer it to genocide.
For ur info, only reminant of south ossentia inhabitant are georgian.
Go and find out.

joyandfaith:
If you history of history of South ossetia you wouldn't say such.. Russians russified people in those areas just like in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine over decades.
Do you know there are sizeable population of Russians in Kazakhstan and former Soviet Republics who are now citizens of CIS states.
In 2090 hausa/fulani in Jos north would say the area belongs to them not berom.

Russia didn't just invade georgia to annex south ossetia without any reason, it's for a purpose.
It for unity between north and south ossetia which he has achieved.
Now south ossetia are willing to rejoin russia federation why nt adamant to stay under georgia that knw no value of them?

joyandfaith:
If you history of history of South ossetia you wouldn't say such.. Russians russified people in those areas just like in Crimea and Eastern Ukraine over decades.
Do you know there are sizeable population of Russians in Kazakhstan and former Soviet Republics who are now citizens of CIS states.
In 2090 hausa/fulani in Jos north would say the area belongs to them not berom.

D case of fulani nd the russian're different.
D ossetians were alan d arabian settled in d present north ossentia spread to d present south ossestia that wasn't occupied in georgia territory, it was annexed by russia, it was seperated when georgia gained independence nd annexed again to re-unite both south&north due to crisis in georgia.
Why do you tink south ossetia want to legally joine russia?
Because it north is part of russia federation, they're nw one again.
Russia is south ossetia's motherland.

joyandfaith:
His people in trouble? Russians are minorities in Ukraine just like ukranian are minorities in Russia.
It is like saying Nigeria can invade Benin republic if yoruba natives there complain of being marginalised.
Germans shouid invade Austria and Hungary because Germans who are minorities complain of persecution?
It doesn't not make sense.
Russians are land grabbers. Why did Stalin deport Tatars from their ancestral homes in Crimea to Asia and asked Russians to repopulate the region. Similar Russification project was used by Russians to claim land in Moldova and Georgia.

Every invasion of russia was of same objective.
To protect his people.
Make mexican try nonsense with US citizen, especially the area close to their border na da time u go knw wetin dey sup.

joyandfaith:
His people in trouble? Russians are minorities in Ukraine just like ukranian are minorities in Russia.
It is like saying Nigeria can invade Benin republic if yoruba natives there complain of being marginalised.
Germans shouid invade Austria and Hungary because Germans who are minorities complain of persecution?
It doesn't not make sense.
Russians are land grabbers. Why did Stalin deport Tatars from their ancestral homes in Crimea to Asia and asked Russians to repopulate the region. Similar Russification project was used by Russians to claim land in Moldova and Georgia.

Georgia was accused of an aggression against south ossetia, did they deny it? No cos it was true, then no one talked. Now he went to take back south ossetia they all shouted.
The leaders in south ossetia said they will join russia legally their motherland, if it were not true would they have said it?

joyandfaith:
What about Georgia?,what about Moldova? What was ussr was all about? Political problem in 2014 was Ukraine problem. It was wrong for Russia to intefere and annexe crimea.

To leave his people in trouble.
Or don't you see the objectives i listed? One of the objectives i listed was to protect his from bullying and genocide from ukraine government, when he accused'em of all this they couldn't deny cos it was true.
So he's a slowpoke that will keep quiet.
Make we try am in nigeria with US maybe they won't do more than what russia did.

sapientia:
I stopped reading when i saw Crimea

You mean Crimea that is already under Russian control is why Putin invaded Ukraine to steal lands?

You are still ranting about NATO that was a done deal within days of teh fight

NATO refused to accept Ukraine, They have accepted they wont join NATO

So, on what premise is Russia still bombarding the whole country?

Why did ukraine call on NATO for help?

Noticing this only NATO members are sending in weapon.
Or is there any non-NATO member sending weapon to ukraine?

joyandfaith:
https://ballotpedia.org/United_States_territorial_acquisitions

US did not invade any sovereign nation in 20th century. Even in 19th century USA did not fight to grab lands from any sovereign nation.
USA as a country was founded on business model. You can check the link.

Ukraine was the only sovereign state russia annexed and For everything there is a reason.
Do you knw what happened to russians in crimea 8,9.... years back?

sapientia:
Imagine the assumptions you just dropped
Just conspiracy
So invading to steal land will reduce it abi?
Is it the NATO that denied Ukraine entrance or their President have even said they won’t join again?
Cook up another propaganda please
At least USA do not lie to anyone when they want to join a conflict
Unlike Russia that lies and denies the obvious always

If it were US citizens that were rubbished in crimea years back they would have done worst than moscow.
But u dat got ur head locked up with west lies you're naive of what happened from scratch.
If u understand what it means by threatening russia indirectly by telling ukraine to join NATO, you won't type this trash, he won't join NATO, were they nt d ones he called 4 help?
He accused'em of dis nd couldn't deny cos all was true.
And u think putin is a slowpoke dat will see his territory in danger and still keep quiet?

sapientia:
Afgan Talibans trained sept 11 terrorists and have alliance to Osama Bin laden

Gulf War - Iraq invaded Kuwait

Desert storm - Terrorism and possession of WMD. What was Sadam think when he chased UN observation crew out of Iraq. For some that have proven that he cant be trusted with power

Libya - AU, OIC and UN pleaded with NATO to enforce a no fly Zone

USA didnt Invade Iran.

Iran was invaded by Iraq

So tell me now, what did Ukraine do?

It all started from NATO, their aim is to split russia society and ultimately destroy it when US and russia both annexed, funny.
Russia invaded ukraine because of the desire to join NATO and NATO is unfriendly to russia, russia knw what they're capable of doing, she took quick step like US did to iraq becos of WMD.
Another objectives is to protect his people subjected to the eight years of bullying and genocide of ukraine government and which they can't deny.

sapientia:
You like beating about the bush

The argument is about 20th Century

As of the last 50 years at least, only Russia have invaded a complete country to steal their lands

That's of no point.
Russia invaded ukraine the same reason US invaded afghanistan, lybia, iraq, iran and so on.
Another objective is to make ukraine stay in a neutral status.
Crimea belong to russia until it was transfered to ukraine in april 26 1954 to settle dispute.
You can prove that wrong.

sapientia:
land grabbing is different from joining a union

Alaska was bought and paid for

USA didnt just invade anyone and took their land

You reply without going deep into what you want to prove.
Go and re-check what i quoted joyandfaith.
No time to re-write.

joyandfaith:
Hawaii invasion by usa was in 19th century not in 20th century and it became 50th state of usa not by military invasion but through diplomacy in 1959. Hawaii had 2 options to become an independent country or state in usa.
USA purchased Alaska from Russia empire.
Ukraine is sovereign nation, a member of UN body.

Good of you, it's shows you can die for the US.
But indian territory that was annexed in 1907, or it was also purchased or it's nt 20th century?
Or kingman reef in 1922?

joyandfaith:
You just buttressed my point. USA did not annex any territories in 20th century. Russia is still living in the past. Even Oyo empire covered present part of Benin republic but nothing like oyo empire now. You don't bring past to destroy the future. That is what Putin is doing in Eastern Europe.

US still occupy five different states in the 20th century, hawaiia and alaska was the last states to join the union in 1959, or you will say 1959 is nt in 20th century.

What people call mistake for russia has become a testimony for them.
USA never sabi anything, they think they are the wisest, their currency will soon be useless.

joyandfaith:
If mr A is a killer. Mr B should also be a killer based on your logic.
I am not aware of any territorial expansion by USA in 20th century. USA got independence from British empire in 18th century. America civil war was in 19th century.

My question was "yes or no answer" you've nt even answered my question.
Well answered or nt answered expansion na expasion maybe 11th century or 21st century as long as they occupy a land that doesn't belong to them it's called annexation either by purchase or by war.
Texas (annexed 1845)
Johnston atoll (1858)
Hawaiia islands (1898)
Puerto rico (1898)
And so on that i can't mention here was occupied through victory in war, just go and find out.

joyandfaith:
Can u show us map of Russia in 1650, 1760, and 1870.?
Russians like fulanis they are historically land grabbers. Siberia, Dagestan, Chenchya, Crimea, Donbas etc do not belong to Russia.
You can check out how Russia territories change over centuries. They invaded weaker cities, grabbed their lands and Russified the natives. In crimea, local tribe of tatars were forcefully expelled to Asia and asked Russians to settle in the region. That was the style. Expelled or Russified local land owners and repopulated conquered territories with native Russians. In Crimea and Donbas region, you would hear of native Russians and Russian speakers. Russian speakers are not native Russians.

Did USA expand their territory yes or no?
No story

plaindealer:
lol... What is this one talking about?

Why must NATO step I'm? For what?

Ukraine is dealing with Russia appropriately .

Btw, Pentagon will not make what statement?

Is it a secret that the Russian military is worthless or that after weeks of war with small Ukraine, they still can not defeat a small and less armed country or a that small Ukraine already eliminated 9-10 Russian generals, destroyed and sank many Russian warships, destroyed countless Russian military equipment?

So this a secret?

Go and rest abeg.

Plaindealer
You no suppose chop again west lies don bele full you.

sapientia:
You are a clear example of "Pride in Stupidity"

You nincompoop of no destination.
Aren't boering parts supplied by china or f-35 fighter raw materials and magnet supplied by china?
You mad goat won't prove that wrong.
You pride in stupidity that has nothing in the skull to tackle but to jam talk.
You avoid us but reply post around ignoramusly.

[quote author=sapientia post=112466579][/quote]Nincompoop of no destination.
Aren't boering parts supplied by china?
US depend heavily on china's raw material to build their f-35 fighter.
You Mad goat won't be able to prove that wrong.
You pride in stupidity that has nothing in skull to tackle than to jam talk.
You avoid us and you keep replying post around ignoramously.

BritishNaija:
At bold, I saw that But refused to state or bring up that, because if i bring it up and start lecturing him again, it will defeat my purpose of asking him to proof that F-35 parts are produced in China. The guy is just Empty skull. He carjole jargons and believe in it only by himself. When US was building it first reactor, China was still sleeping.

Do you need evidence of that?
You can just go and find out china exports to US and come back to argue.

TabletMan:
You seriously needs to learn more bro.
Rare earth parts

China does not supply materials for US to produce military weapon.

BritishNaija:
Mr Man you have No defence, If you want me to School you more, Then you have to pay for my time. If you were on Reddit, You would have had your ass handled over to you for typing rubbish.

US still rely heavily on china for supplying parts of military aircraft.
Can't deny that.
Without chinese supply most of US military aircraft won't be existing like boeing and the f-35 fighter cos they supply the most essential thing.

BritishNaija:
Mr man shame on you Since you have No shame at all. Look at how you have disgraced yourself trying to prove knowledgeable But ended up making mess of your Level of exposure. You know nothing and please try to be humble to learn, There is no shame about learning, but what you do not know, It's better you keep shut.
You could not provide proof that F-35 parts are produced in China because you actually do not know anything about it productions and decided to lie through the teeth about it, But Unfortunately for you, Anything about Aerospace, I'm Very Well updated about it to the core. Bookmark my moniker, so anythread you see it and you are about to lie again, you have to better think twice.

But you beetleheaded said US doesn't import china product to produce military weapon, how come china is supply boeing over 10000 parts or boeing is nt an american company?

BritishNaija:
Mr man shame on you Since you have No shame at all. Look at how you have disgraced yourself trying to prove knowledgeable But ended up making mess of your Level of exposure. You know nothing and please try to be humble to learn, There is no shame about learning, but what you do not know, It's better you keep shut.
You could not provide proof that F-35 parts are produced in China because you actually do not know anything about it productions and decided to lie through the teeth about it, But Unfortunately for you, Anything about Aerospace, I'm Very Well updated about it to the core. Bookmark my moniker, so anythread you see it and you are about to lie again, you have to better think twice.

As long as chinese magnet is included.
And the f-35 fighter cannot exist without the rare earth, cos they depend heavily on it, the power is still in china hand.