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Kobojunkie:
1. Again, what Jesus Christ said of Satan in Luke 10 vs 17 - 20 has absolutely nothing to do with your Satan as fallen angel myth.

2. The Kingdom of God, where Heaven and Hell are both domains in, came into the picture with Jesus Christ, and both domains will not be open to admission until after Jesus Christ returns and judges His Sheep. That is what you are told there in Matthew 25 vs 31 - 46. . So, see how even what you claim makes no sense in this.?

Kobojunkie:
1. Reality which you have no source for exempt that in your mind is called a myth.
2. Satan, who was already here on earth with access to God in the Heavens - Job 1 - , is said to have been seen falling like lightning from the sky by Jesus Christ, says absolutely nothing to help your myth in any or form.
3. Your ramblings make no sense.
You are told God created Evil... if the evil we commit are instead from Satan does that mean Satan created his own kind of evil apart from the Evil created by God?
If yes, when did Satan become a creator like God?

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ had His reason for pointing Satan as fallen from the sky as lightening instead. Jesus Christ said nothing of Satan being a fallen angel so your fallen angel theory is not of Jesus Christ.

2. Your assumption is based on some presupposition that Satan and his angels are somehow supposed to hate it in hell, isn't it?

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, Isaiah is instead a poem sung of the King of Babylon.

2. Satan has access to both the heavens and the earth is what Job 1 tells you. So what Jesus Christ said of Satan falling like lightning from the sky has absolutely nothing to do with your Lucifer myth.

3. What you typed here makes no sense at all. Are sins and evil you commit not of Evil?

Kobojunkie:
1. Well, God is the creator of all things that are so it does follow that even good and evil were created by Him.

2. Ofcourse Job 1 didn't do that since that idea of yours is instead a myth. Instead Job 1 revealed Satan has access to God in the high places even as he also has access to the earth. So, what is Luke 10 vs 17- 20, has absolutely nothing to do with your myth.

3. It in no way backs your myth.

Kobojunkie:
1. The topic here is on the myth. So explain it's origin first.

2. Satan himself is written to have said he was already here on earth roaming the planes in Job 1. So Luke 10 vs 17 - 20 does not in anyway buttress your myth.

Kobojunkie:
1. You guess that God started using the evil since the down fall of man?

2. Men don't fall like lightning. Jesus Christ instead made that statement of Satan, the one who we previously roaming learnt in Job 1 was already down on earth and roaming.

3. Again, where does this claim that he wasn't evil from his beginning come from?

Kobojunkie:
1. I know why Satan fell from the sky like lightning and it has absolutely nothing to do with your myth.

2. Where is the evidence of these claims - these delusions, myths- you make found in scripture..

Kobojunkie:
Where do these ideas of yours come from? Provide references, in context mind you.

Kobojunkie:
1. Fallen angel where?

2. So in your mind, it didn't occur to you that if God created all things for His purpose, He also created even the angels and demons for His purpose?,

Kobojunkie:
1.Both poems explain exactly who fell, how, and to what. The who are given of men. The how, explained of men falling from a height...kings from grace. The to,... also of men, to shoel, the grave where only men go. So, again, I fail to see how those two in any way buttresses your myth.

2. As for what Jesus Christ said of Satan falling like lightning, whatever connection you are trying to make with the myth of Lucifer, I also fail to see.

Jesus Christ never said anything about Satan falling like a fallen angel but instead like lightning. Jesus Christ came from the Father above. And so did Satan who He, Jesus Christ said is the enemy, falling from the sky like lightning. So?

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, how does what Jesus Christ said of Satan in Luke 10 vs 17 - 20 to do with the Lucifer myth?

2. As for Matthew 25 vs 41, what has that to do with this myth of yours abeg?,

Kobojunkie:
I think you are the foolish one here since you haven't even realized it yet.

God created good and He also created Evil. Are you somehow suggesting that evil, which was part of His plan, overwhelmed Him instead?

God created Satan for His purpose and uses Him for exactly that. That is what scripture tells you.

Kobojunkie:
Jesus Christ said He saw Satan falling like Lightning from the Sky. My question again to you is what has this to do with your myth of Lucifer and with either of Isaiah 14 or Ezekiel 28?

Kobojunkie:
1. Again, how does what Jesus Christ said of Satan in Luke 10 vs 17 - 20 to do with the Lucifer myth?

2. And what does Matthew 24 vs 50 - 51 have to do with it as well?

Kobojunkie:
As for what Jesus Christ said in the context of Luke 10 vs 17 - 20, what has that got to do with this here myth?

Kobojunkie:
Stop repeating these ridiculous myths/lies you were fed from the mouths of your false teachers and false prophets abeg!

Kobojunkie:
Comparison, where?
Where are the comparisons made, of what and what else? Sources?

Kobojunkie:
Stop pulling verses out-of-context to further what are your lies...

The passage clearly indicates that the dirge/poem was sung of the King of Babylon, and not your Lucifer character. The word "Lucifer" was erroneously introduced by King James, the same one who authored the book Demonologie where he first wrote of Lucifer as lord of demons. -\

Instead, as Revelations 22 vs 16 reveals Instead, Jesus Christ is the bright morning star.

Kobojunkie:
God is said to be the creator of all things and He created it all for His purpose, so it follows that God created Satan for His purpose as well. Logic 101!

Kobojunkie:
Comparing the King of Babylon to what happened to lucifer where? Where in that poem do you claim to see this?

Kobojunkie:
Comparing the King of Babylon to what happened to lucifer where? Where in that poem do you claim to see this?

Kobojunkie:
The entire context of Isaiah 14 vs 4 - 21 is a dirge/poem sung of the King of Babylon..
You are reminded of this even in the verses that follow the dirge.

Kobojunkie:
1. But there is no record of your "Lucifer" character to begin with, and no record of such an event taking place to begin with.

Also, the record has it instead that Jesus Christ is instead the Bright morning star - Revelations 22 vs 16

Kobojunkie:
We have God Because He is God, and we have Satan because God created Satan for His purpose.

Kobojunkie:
There was never a beef to begin with, just myths propagated by men.

Kobojunkie:
Again.....

1. Are all branches on the Vine representative of your personal relationship with Jesus Christ?,

2. Jesus Christ said those who love Him are those who obey Him - John 14 vs 15 - 25 - and His friends are those who do as He asks - John 15 vs 14. But what you are saying is that even though Jesus Christ pretty much declared that those who praise Him do so in vain... you all do so anyways regardless of what He posited said?

3. Did Jesus Christ tell you it is your place to admonish other followers though?

4. I don't understand the relationship between Jesus Christ and His Church because I reject your claim that your churches which are built by and administered by the will of men are of Jesus Christ?

Kobojunkie:
1. Are all branches on the Vine representative of your personal relationship with Jesus Christ?,
2. Jesus Christ said those who love Him are those who obey Him - John 14 vs 15 - 25 - nd His friends re those who do as He asks - John 15 vs 14. But what you re saying is that even though Jesus Christ pretty much declared that those who praise Him do so in vain... you all do so anyways regardless of what He posited said?
3. Did Jesus Christ tell you it is your place to admonish other followers though?
4. I don't understand the relationship between Jesus Christ nd His Church because I reject your claim that your churches which re built by and administered by the will of men are of Jesus Christ?

Kobojunkie:
1. There is nothing "personal" about theVine nd its branches in John 15 vs 1 - 11.
2. Even Jesus Christ, in John 5 vs 41 - 42 said He does not desire praises from human beings, so your praises have nothing to do with Him nd His Church . 3. He sent His followers out to teach His Gospel only to those in d world(unbelievers)whereas your churches are instead filledwith people who claim tobelieve and re born-again who u all pretend to preach to, again, another stack difference between that commanded by Jesus Christ nd that which u do in ur churches..
4. ... I can go on but since you don't see this, it cannot be helped at all.

Kobojunkie:
1. The personal relationship you have with Jesus Christ is defined in the New Covenant agreement aka the Law/Gospel of the Kingdom of God. The Vine which you now belong to as a result of having a personal relationship with Jesus Christ is the Church built by Jesus Christ which is a collection of the individuals who have a personal relationship with Jesus Christ as their Head.

2. No difference?

If you see no difference, it can't be helped then. So we are done with this discussion then, right?

Kobojunkie:
1. In John 15 vs 1 - 11, Jesus Christ speaks of He being the Vine and every branch on the Vine grows directly from the Vine - a description of sorts of how His Church is structured. How you instead consider that your personal relationship with Jesus is beyond me.

In Matthew 18 vs 16 - 20, Jesus Christ gives Law to branches on the Vine on how to go about resolving conflicts or crisis suggesting they first make attempts at resolving it between themselves before involving other branches in the Vine. So I ask you to compare what Jesus Christ described in those verses and what you do everyday in your churches to tell me where the common points exist.