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Since you are digging posts. Please look for where I was against DOF.

I'll stop this argument.

I'm even tired sef.

So help me out and bring where I was against "structure"

You might probably see sha.

So Ralf is the structure that will bring the club out of shambles?

Rauf the one man army.

TeslaFC:
I remember the jabs we took that period, both direct and in parables. Anyway, now e don touch everybody.

More footballing brains need to be brought into the club. Makes no logical sense for ETH to take on responsibilities he did not hold at his former club (a lower club for that matter).

They need to do better in the club sha. That, I won't deny.

ChristoBam:
Afrodoc and co supported Ralf and they're justified in calling out ETH now. Cuz they all saw he needed someone like Ralf to help out in recruitment and all. But y'all said nah. All he needed was funds.

So your point no join. You're the simple minded person calling out the manager.

If you had a brain you would have seen tha it's the other way round.

TeslaFC:
Thing is, ETH didn’t do himself any good getting into it with Ronaldo. That act alone weakened his popularity amongst United’s CR7 fan base.

So it’s now a case of succeed or get sacked. No excuses.

But, in truth, that’s only a camouflage of what’s really wrong at the club. And personally, I think the next coach (if there’s one) will suffer same fate.

As a Ronaldo fan I was pissed. But deep down I thought this was for the greater good.

Jodera:
Saliba is just like pellestri. If pellestri starts seeing first team shirt, he'll be credited to Ten Haag and not Ole for the opportunities. Pellestri never played any serious game for Ole just like how Saliba never did for Emery

I counted Tierney as one of Emery signings that survived the overhaul na

Also Martinelli/Saka would be credited to Arteta to cos they were first teamers under him.

Okay. I hear.

You didn't talk about structure when he was working, doing cleanup, and the rest.

You didn't talk of structure when he deleted Ronaldo.

You did not talk of structure when he relegated Maguire.

It's now when we are asking of style of play that you are talking about structure.

You want to hide under structure now.

ChristoBam:
Yeah, go on and interpret it like that.

*You supported the departure of Rangnick.
*You weren't interested in any of the type of structures we were hammering about then.
*You thought Murtough and co were good enough.

How can you be going on the manager a year after. When all these things were things some said would end up happening then.

You shouldn't be surprised nau. If I supported Ralf and I'm now against the coach then that's when you should be surprised.

Are not the simple minded person here?

Jodera:
What does overhauling means first?

Changing the face of something shey?
So yeah, that's when Arteta overhauling started.

Those first 3 players he bought was just to IMPROVE the team. When he saw he couldn't work with them, he overhauled all of them join (including his signings )

Yeah. He overhauled Saliba, Tierney, Martinelli

ChristoBam:
Seriously you shouldn't be one of those supporting him now. Given, you didn't want Rangnick or anyone deciding recruitments then. You wanted Ten Hag in charge.

Now that it's looking like this, you should be asking for a change in structure. Cuz this should teach anyone any manager will fail in this environment.

Supporting who?

Some people are funny. Do you see me now changing my opinion on Ralf?

You thought you really came up with a banger.

ChristoBam:
@Odizeey, you're such a filpflopper.

I decided to go through the pages when Rangnick was sacked. Guess who was celebrating the departure? Guess who was excited Ten Hag would be getting full control over transfers? Man literally said those that were talking about structure then low-key wanted Ten Hag to fail.

How can you forget all that and have it in for the manager now? All these arguments I'm doing now, you should be the one doing honestly.

I literally thought it was Afrodoc celebrating the departure of Rangnick but man was tackling you.

So because I supported the manager at the start I should continue to do blind following when I'm seeing rubbish.

ChristoBam:
Seriously, I'd be super surprised if Odizeey wasn't celebrating Rangnick's departure then. Same guy's ranting about recruitment now😂.

I don't even remember how I felt again.

I was just happy we got ETH.

Jodera:
Which one be minor overhauling again

Buying 3 players in 1-2 windows don turn overhauling?

If there was a major, there would have been a minor.

How many players do you need to buy for it to be an overhaul

Jodera:
Lol... I thought we already had an agreement.

Year starts Jan and ends Dec. Using that metric, arsenal did major overhauling starting 2021 and ending 2022

That's two years. Including the "minor" overhauling

Jodera:
Okay, I goofed on that. I was thinking it as football year.

Then If that's the case, Arteta used exact 1year to do overhauling (2021-2022).

Is it not what you thought was impossible to do overhauling in one year?

Yeah. Overhauling his own signings.

When does your 2021 start and when does your 22 end

Jodera:
Football season starts August and that's when most clubs hire coaches who wants to rebuild or that's when coach starts rebuilding if he came mid season.

Also, we all know major transfers mostly starts August. So we Have Aug-Jan-Aug, which is one year for a rebuild

Stop this twisting of facts chief. We have two windows in a year no matter how you want to look at it.

How can you have two Augusts in one year?

Jodera:
Well, you've seen that he once had a major say in transfer at first.

Edu was signed the next season (end of 2020) as our dof and while I don't have the link proper of where he was seen to help him, Arsenal all or nothing series did justice to that

Your link says Edu was with him from when he asked for the final say in transfer. The link date was July

The club just needs cleansing sha.

Revival.

We don too change coach.

I really wished this was it. Make this man surprise me abeg.

Jodera:
one year is 3 transfer windows.

From 2020 to 2021.... Only 3 players were starters that Wasn't from Arteta (Xhaka, Tierney and Auba/Laca)

Wow. We now have three windows in a year. Hehehe.

From 2020 till 2021 can be two years depends on where you are looking at it from.

Jodera:
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/arteta-final-say-transfers-arsenal-little-margin-for-error/hrio5f1u5n2y119t3640234ux&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjT8qb1_PSAAxU7QUEAHfs7C14QFnoECAMQAg&usg=AOvVaw2Q2gxybg8x4ASSVrrj0jUC

Where is the link where Edu stared helping him?

melodyogonna:
Why Man U go even accept that yeye clause

Maybe it's the female team that told them to accept it.

sod09:
No not possible you can't change an entire squad at once
Even Chelsea went through about 3 transfer windows

Ragnick says one year is enough.

sod09:
Arsenal did overhaul na
The players emery and wengay left for arteta only holding is left

Changed their players overtime which most teams do, even united.

Jodera:
Yes, Arteta did make such request. It was after his early failings with transfer like Willian and Luiz that arsenal have to review it and bring in Edu to help him. And both of them have major say while working hand in hand harmoniously.

For some reasons, I can't send pictures here else I for bring receipts

Send link

Jodera:
Him fit still get complete control but this time it'll be alongside the Dof.

Klopp/Edwards did it perfectly before Edward left

Arteta/Edu are doing it presently


Maybe Ten Haag wouldn't have been comfortable with RR which isn't bad, but him go get correct person wey him go dey comfortable with. It's up to Man u to sign that person. I don't think Ten Haag will be that stubborn to that extent

They have a director of football.

Ten Hag's condition was freedom with transfers and player management

Did Klopp and Arteta request that?

Jodera:
Werghost is a loan na abi was he signed. You for kukuma call Sabitzer
Moreover, in two transfer windows, most of Ole starters are still starting. Compared to ours, as at 2021, the only Emery/Wenger starter was just Auba, Tierney and Xhaka(Tierney been only Emery). I think that's what I call open heart surgery

But the main issue is that you guys needs a good Dof. Imagine getting Casemiro and Eriksen and a year later, you're still looking to replace those two. And then when you finally replace Eriksen it's with Mount

He said he wants complete control o.

If they got another person to take charge now them go say them no give am control.

Jodera:
Just only 3 were starters na if I'm not mistaken.

Licha, Casemiro and Antony or am I missing anyone


Modified: I just remembered Eriksen

Weghourst.

So we had 5 starters. You had five starters.

Our own is not open heart but your own is open heart.

Jodera:
Ramsdale, Tomi, White, Odegaard, Tavarez, Lokonga

Those 5 out of 6 where starters with the exception of Lokonga who was playing at first due to Partey being injured. Tavarez kept our Tierney for most part till December. So that's half of Outfield players totally changed.

I don't want to talk about the other ones that were bought/promoted by 2020/2021 which started the surgery

How many players did you think we brought in last season?
So we did open heart surgery last season na.

patrickmuf:
Newcastle plays better football than we do, yes or no?

Odizeey leave Arsenal out and use Newcastle to fight this fight. Newcastle were almost relegated until they brought in Eddie Howe who worked his magic and they survived. At that time, we had the better team by a long stretch...

A couple of transfer windows, since the Saudis took over have seen Newcastle qualify for the UCL and are now strong contenders for another top 4 finish whilst proving difficult to beat for any team in the league. The key point to note is that we had a superior team compared to Newcastle before the takeover and after the takeover, we have spent almost the same amount (the difference in amount is relatively insignificant) on players yet they have closed the gap on us and every other top team.

If we play Newcastle tomorrow, no one here will be confident we can win. The odds will favour them.

I've thrown Arsenal out since.

Jodera:
Boss, e no reach 6 Windows ooo.
Ahhh!!!

Ralf Ragnick might be right or wrong about open heart surgery but one thing that was certain was that we really did an open heart surgery.

Our 2021/2022 season was really the season we did open heart surgery. If you think I'm lying, compare the squad for 2020/2021 and 2021/2022

How many players did you buy in 2022

afrodoc2:
I like how you are choking ETH but it is obvious you don't really watch other teams. At least you don't watch Arsenal. Until early 2022 Arsenal were playing one kind gbala gburu style of football that nobody really understood. Go and check the posts from their thread from 2020 to 2022 and see how fans were abusing each other, attacking and defending the dull and defensive football Arteta was playing. However, once he got his players in the style changed remarkably but it took a while, and apart from getting guys in he also had to kick many out.

However, 3 points remain:

1) ETH has no excuse playing the kind of diabolical football we have played so far this season. With his reputation as a coach he should do better with what he has.

2) He has to take some (if not most) of the blame for the poor performance of our buys as nearly all of them have his imprint on them.

3) If we don't get a capable DoF we will keep throwing good money after bad.

ETH is slacking. He needs to wake up.

Not that we don't want to wait for process, but where is the process?