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Some people are funny. Do you see me now changing my opinion on Ralf?

You thought you really came up with a banger.

ChristoBam:
@Odizeey, you're such a filpflopper.

I decided to go through the pages when Rangnick was sacked. Guess who was celebrating the departure? Guess who was excited Ten Hag would be getting full control over transfers? Man literally said those that were talking about structure then low-key wanted Ten Hag to fail.

How can you forget all that and have it in for the manager now? All these arguments I'm doing now, you should be the one doing honestly.

I literally thought it was Afrodoc celebrating the departure of Rangnick but man was tackling you.

So because I supported the manager at the start I should continue to do blind following when I'm seeing rubbish.

ChristoBam:
Seriously, I'd be super surprised if Odizeey wasn't celebrating Rangnick's departure then. Same guy's ranting about recruitment now😂.

I don't even remember how I felt again.

I was just happy we got ETH.

Jodera:
Which one be minor overhauling again

Buying 3 players in 1-2 windows don turn overhauling?

If there was a major, there would have been a minor.

How many players do you need to buy for it to be an overhaul

Jodera:
Lol... I thought we already had an agreement.

Year starts Jan and ends Dec. Using that metric, arsenal did major overhauling starting 2021 and ending 2022

That's two years. Including the "minor" overhauling

Jodera:
Okay, I goofed on that. I was thinking it as football year.

Then If that's the case, Arteta used exact 1year to do overhauling (2021-2022).

Is it not what you thought was impossible to do overhauling in one year?

Yeah. Overhauling his own signings.

When does your 2021 start and when does your 22 end

Jodera:
Football season starts August and that's when most clubs hire coaches who wants to rebuild or that's when coach starts rebuilding if he came mid season.

Also, we all know major transfers mostly starts August. So we Have Aug-Jan-Aug, which is one year for a rebuild

Stop this twisting of facts chief. We have two windows in a year no matter how you want to look at it.

How can you have two Augusts in one year?

Jodera:
Well, you've seen that he once had a major say in transfer at first.

Edu was signed the next season (end of 2020) as our dof and while I don't have the link proper of where he was seen to help him, Arsenal all or nothing series did justice to that

Your link says Edu was with him from when he asked for the final say in transfer. The link date was July

The club just needs cleansing sha.

Revival.

We don too change coach.

I really wished this was it. Make this man surprise me abeg.

Jodera:
one year is 3 transfer windows.

From 2020 to 2021.... Only 3 players were starters that Wasn't from Arteta (Xhaka, Tierney and Auba/Laca)

Wow. We now have three windows in a year. Hehehe.

From 2020 till 2021 can be two years depends on where you are looking at it from.

Jodera:
https://www.google.com/url?q=https://www.goal.com/en-us/news/arteta-final-say-transfers-arsenal-little-margin-for-error/hrio5f1u5n2y119t3640234ux&sa=U&ved=2ahUKEwjT8qb1_PSAAxU7QUEAHfs7C14QFnoECAMQAg&usg=AOvVaw2Q2gxybg8x4ASSVrrj0jUC

Where is the link where Edu stared helping him?

melodyogonna:
Why Man U go even accept that yeye clause

Maybe it's the female team that told them to accept it.

sod09:
No not possible you can't change an entire squad at once
Even Chelsea went through about 3 transfer windows

Ragnick says one year is enough.

sod09:
Arsenal did overhaul na
The players emery and wengay left for arteta only holding is left

Changed their players overtime which most teams do, even united.

Jodera:
Yes, Arteta did make such request. It was after his early failings with transfer like Willian and Luiz that arsenal have to review it and bring in Edu to help him. And both of them have major say while working hand in hand harmoniously.

For some reasons, I can't send pictures here else I for bring receipts

Send link

Jodera:
Him fit still get complete control but this time it'll be alongside the Dof.

Klopp/Edwards did it perfectly before Edward left

Arteta/Edu are doing it presently


Maybe Ten Haag wouldn't have been comfortable with RR which isn't bad, but him go get correct person wey him go dey comfortable with. It's up to Man u to sign that person. I don't think Ten Haag will be that stubborn to that extent

They have a director of football.

Ten Hag's condition was freedom with transfers and player management

Did Klopp and Arteta request that?

Jodera:
Werghost is a loan na abi was he signed. You for kukuma call Sabitzer
Moreover, in two transfer windows, most of Ole starters are still starting. Compared to ours, as at 2021, the only Emery/Wenger starter was just Auba, Tierney and Xhaka(Tierney been only Emery). I think that's what I call open heart surgery

But the main issue is that you guys needs a good Dof. Imagine getting Casemiro and Eriksen and a year later, you're still looking to replace those two. And then when you finally replace Eriksen it's with Mount

He said he wants complete control o.

If they got another person to take charge now them go say them no give am control.

Jodera:
Just only 3 were starters na if I'm not mistaken.

Licha, Casemiro and Antony or am I missing anyone


Modified: I just remembered Eriksen

Weghourst.

So we had 5 starters. You had five starters.

Our own is not open heart but your own is open heart.

Jodera:
Ramsdale, Tomi, White, Odegaard, Tavarez, Lokonga

Those 5 out of 6 where starters with the exception of Lokonga who was playing at first due to Partey being injured. Tavarez kept our Tierney for most part till December. So that's half of Outfield players totally changed.

I don't want to talk about the other ones that were bought/promoted by 2020/2021 which started the surgery

How many players did you think we brought in last season?
So we did open heart surgery last season na.

patrickmuf:
Newcastle plays better football than we do, yes or no?

Odizeey leave Arsenal out and use Newcastle to fight this fight. Newcastle were almost relegated until they brought in Eddie Howe who worked his magic and they survived. At that time, we had the better team by a long stretch...

A couple of transfer windows, since the Saudis took over have seen Newcastle qualify for the UCL and are now strong contenders for another top 4 finish whilst proving difficult to beat for any team in the league. The key point to note is that we had a superior team compared to Newcastle before the takeover and after the takeover, we have spent almost the same amount (the difference in amount is relatively insignificant) on players yet they have closed the gap on us and every other top team.

If we play Newcastle tomorrow, no one here will be confident we can win. The odds will favour them.

I've thrown Arsenal out since.

Jodera:
Boss, e no reach 6 Windows ooo.
Ahhh!!!

Ralf Ragnick might be right or wrong about open heart surgery but one thing that was certain was that we really did an open heart surgery.

Our 2021/2022 season was really the season we did open heart surgery. If you think I'm lying, compare the squad for 2020/2021 and 2021/2022

How many players did you buy in 2022

afrodoc2:
I like how you are choking ETH but it is obvious you don't really watch other teams. At least you don't watch Arsenal. Until early 2022 Arsenal were playing one kind gbala gburu style of football that nobody really understood. Go and check the posts from their thread from 2020 to 2022 and see how fans were abusing each other, attacking and defending the dull and defensive football Arteta was playing. However, once he got his players in the style changed remarkably but it took a while, and apart from getting guys in he also had to kick many out.

However, 3 points remain:

1) ETH has no excuse playing the kind of diabolical football we have played so far this season. With his reputation as a coach he should do better with what he has.

2) He has to take some (if not most) of the blame for the poor performance of our buys as nearly all of them have his imprint on them.

3) If we don't get a capable DoF we will keep throwing good money after bad.

ETH is slacking. He needs to wake up.

Not that we don't want to wait for process, but where is the process?

nitrogen:
See the 8 signings below. You can easily get more than a spine.

1 GK, 2 defenders, 1 DM, 2 AMs, 2 FWs (a winger and a striker), they are all starters ffs except maybe Malacia. Question is how come it’s difficult for ETH to implement his style? Let see it in the first half, and then he can decide to switch things up in the second half after making substitutions.

I don’t understand why someone is defending this guy. Does not make sense.

Even 8 signings sef. And we still can't see what he wants to implement.

ChristoBam:
I didn't. The emphasis was on their style of play. My mentioning the recent league challenge was to key on how successful they even were with that style of play in the past. Mid players came in but the plan was definitely still the same.

And you want to start changing history? Were we playing attacking football before ETH came in. It was counter attacking football.

First match under Rangnick that we saw players press, people came in their pants.

Which beautiful football were Liverpool playing before Klopp entered? If it's by league position, remember we were also second two season before ETH entered?

The question is were we playing defensive football before?

ChristoBam:
With that Budget, he decided to improve on the team's abilities rather than bring a total change that definitely doesn't suit them. Mount was brought in for the transition footie he had in mind. It's just probably not going to work.

Same budget he used to buy Antony.

Stop making excuses.

We will know have to overhaul players that were bought to do overhaul. Omo. See recursive function.

ChristoBam:
Obviously, they lost Suarez and other key players. Stop twisting my words. I never called them great.

And Rogers at Liverpool played attacking football. That's the point.

About ETH, I never even hammered on possession football. People called his style of play 'Total football'. Similar to what Arteta's trying to do at Arsenal. It's not purely passing the ball a million times like city. There are just similarities.

But man's leaving that behind and trying what I don't even know just because he's stuck with some players and everyone expects results NOW.

Gerrard, Suarez, Sterling among others. But you made it feel like they were super before he came. So what were they?

Your post I quoted said "unlike moving from counter to possession"

Were we playing defensive football before he came?

ChristoBam:
You have this habit of twisting words every single time.
When did I say Klopp inherited a great team. The point is, the style of play Klopp brought in was not night and day to what they played previously. Unlike moving from Counter attack to possession football.


Again Arteta finished 8th back to back. If ETH did the same, he'll get the sack. He didn't have that luxury. If Arteta didn't have the luxury in a counter attacking team, he'd try to adjust to the team as well. And that'd likely be a failure.

The team that competed for the league not long is not great again?🤣

What style did the former manager use and what style did Klopp bring in?

Erik Ten Hag said he's not interested in possession but you guys want to force possession on him.

Jodera, one more question. You guys didn't have a pattern of player for two years right?

You don't say you want to change the team and go ahead to buy Mount. Even if them give me Mount for free I no go take.

That was where I began to have doubts about ETH.

You can check my last season post. I was in full support of him.

patrickmuf:
I don set trap with my question dey wait for Chris...

we go wait for the answer.

Well, you can cancel my arsenal and good football from the list sha. 🤣

Leave Newcastle and Liverpool.

patrickmuf:
I just want a coach that will get our players running like City, Liverpool, Brighton and other players of top teams. Our players don't press as much and cover less distance overall.

That's the issue.

Every game is a struggle for us even against small teams.