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afrodoc2:
Guiu with 70 mins in the league while almost all Chelsea fans are lamenting and cursing Nicolas Jackson.

Tyrique George with 97 mins in the league while all Chelsea fans are lamenting about Freedom Fighter, Mukaila, and Neto.

Acheampong with 169 minutes in the league.

Lenny Yoro with 1067 minutes in the league
Kobbie Mainoo with 1308 minutes in the league as a teenager.


(Guiu+ George+ Acheampong league minutes) x 3 < Yoro league minutes

Next question.

First, don't limit it to league games. If these boys played carabao and uel games, no one would complain.

Second, don't add Mainoo. Mainoo is not a teenager please.

afrodoc2:
Amass is at the point Skelly was 6 months ago. In 6 months' time you can come back to complain.

Skelly and Nwaneri are also outliers. You can't use them to prove your case when there are 20 teams in the league.

At that point he was getting consistent minutes progressively

spillo1:
If they are ready like you claimed why are they are not getting minutes in the league but only in conference league against league 1 opposition?

We only play league games. I get.

afrodoc2:
It just goes to show that Skelly is ready. They are also not age mates and are not from the same England set.

Meanwhile Skelly was born in 2006 and Amass was born in 2007.


Skelly made his Arsenal debut 3 days before his 18th birthday. Amass made his United debut on his 18th birthday.

To-Mah-Toe
To-May-Toe

Next question.

Here we go again. They are not ready. 🤣🤣
Bro. Skelly is just 6 months older. Hehehe.

BTW, I even thought Collyer was a teen. 🤣🤣 I been dey give Una free points.

spillo1:
None of those players have up to 200minutes in the league.

Na league we dey talk?

Chose to ignore my previous posts.
It's not about tiny bits of minutes. It's about sufficient minutes these guys can build on.
Look at this clown of a player called Hodlund in this chart. I bet you'll struggle to find him.

Skelly and Amass na age mate o. Skelly has 1800 minutes. Amass has 186. Skelly's minutes dwarfs all united teenagers minutes combined bar Yoro. And that Yoro was bought for huge money sef.

afrodoc2:
200 minutes are poverty-stricken, abi? Name 3 Chelsea teenagers with more than 200 poverty-stricken minutes.

Guiu, George, Achempong. All have over 500 minutes. They are the ones with potentials and they have been given sufficient time.

Mind you, Chelsea don't even need them like that cos they have a full squad.

Talking about minutes, Leny Yoro is the only teenager with more than 500 minutes. Go and check what Chelsea, Arsenal, Tottenham are giving their teens. The next teen was less than 500 minutes (Collyer). The next should be Heaven with about 200 minutes. Then Amass, less than 200 minutes. Poverty striken minutes.

Analysing situations and taking actions based on where you find yourself is key.

I saw that these losses would come and suggested here (even though we don't get heard sha) that Amorim should deploy a laid back tactics that minimizes the goals we concede. Because it was obvious that our backline is leaking and we don't have attackers to score goals to cover for that. Situational analysis.

If there was a competition at the bottom like other times, we would have probably being battling relegation. Situational analysis.

Why will a Liverpool pick a cutlass when they have a machine gun? We have a cutlass and we are holding on to a knife. Situational analysis.

The minutes Arsenal gave their two young boys are more than we gave all our academy players combined. That's to tell you they are giving those boys minutes for props.
Put your blood on this P

Leyqute:
How many points separates you from Southampton?

You want to win like Liverpool and Man City with young players even though those two teams never relied on their academy. You’d make a splendid football technical director.

The all knowing super paid technical directors loaned out first team players and decided to buy two young defenders.

I think I'll do a better job.

We have to face situations as needs arise not because other people do it or not.

afrodoc:
Amass has played 3 of our past 4 games.

Can you list the clubs that are using more teenagers or giving them more minutes than us?

We loaned out great senior players who were not playing great football. It comes down to the same thing. Our useless senior players are placing undue pressure that other youth players are not facing on our own youth players. They will play when they are assessed to be ready to play.

I will never forget how when Januzaj made the team senior pros were passing the ball to him every minute of the match like they were not paid to play football as well.

Once again, they are not given reasonable minutes. Putting them in dead minutes. Especially those in critical areas of need. Take Miles Skelly and Nwaneri as examples.

When Barcelona was hit with injuries, Barcelona gave about 8 teenagers minutes. 3 of them played over 1.5k plus minutes. Because they were needed in those critical areas.

It's not about giving scattered minutes here and there and asking which team gave more minutes when we all know United force managers to give minutes so they can post on twitter that they give youths chance. 🤣🤣

My focal point has always being Obi. I care less about other areas, because we need him in that position for now.

Leyqute:
The Leicesters and Southamptons that got relegated, why didn’t they play their 17 year olds since their seniors were underperforming?

We don turn Southampton abi?

See talk.

Did they loan out players like we did or have injury records like us?

MRTA7:
I do agree that our academy players need to be used more. I over did it by saying Chido is clearly not ready so I take that back, That was wrong. but at the same time, I don't want us to bring in these kids into a bad situation that will hamper their development. Being ready doesn't mean they still wont need development and we can see how bad that can go if not done properly and in the right environment.

I get. But if we want to protect them then let's do it with our full chest. Let them play only academy matches.

afrodoc:
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Very well said.

So let us start from Liverpool and go down the league table one by one. Let us see how many 17yr olds were thrown into battle and how many minutes they played?

Why will they be thrown into battle when the need is not there?

We loaned out players plus hit with injuries. Is Liverpool facing same?

Give Amass, Obi and Collyer consistent minutes.

If you want to protect them from the useless players, don't bring them in at all.

The club has a history using young players and they are trying to boost that record, that's why you see academy players coming in at useless times.

You expect to see them next game to build the momentum, and boom, you won't see them anymore till God knows when.

Football is evolving. At 17 up, you should be ready to be thrown into battle.

delkuf:
that is the problem. A good coach would have groom one or two good players from the academy into the first team.

Where would Barcelona have been without the impart of yamal and curbasi and rest

To them, those ones are super humans.

superfelix:
Why should i remove Mainoo? He has always featured under Amorim as a teenager

Oga Maino, Heaven, Yoro are not your academy players anymore. Mainoo is now a first team player. Yoro and Heaven were bought.

afrodoc:
This is the crux of the matter. You want us to use these academy players not because they are ready or not but because the senior players are useless.

It is better for you guys to go and beg the great senior players to start playing great football, instead of trying to wreck the future of innocent children.

We play more teenagers and give them more minutes than most other clubs and you are claiming we over protect them. LOL.

By giving them useless and inconsistent minutes when the game is over.

We know the ones that are ready. And we know areas we are lacking.

Person wey won play ball go play ball. If you like protect from now till tomorrow.

delkuf:
thank you for this. But according to afrodoc the academy are not ready

He's not particularly saying they are not ready.

afrodoc2:
Your first wrong statement: Amass did not play when Dorgu got red card.

And even if Amass pushes the minutes up is that strange? Is he not part of the youths? Or it me or you that will push the minutes up?

When some of us say not ready yet we say that because we watch every single minute of every single televised academy game, and we see how they are performing for the full 90 minutes and not just highlights.

Your second wrong statement: Chido is not one of the ones i think is not ready yet. In fact, i have been calling on Chido to start games for a few weeks now.

Finally, you people talk as if City, Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, Chelsea, Villa, Newcastle play their teenagers. Apart from recently when Arsenal started playing Nwaneri and MLS we are the only big team that continues giving minutes to such young players, mainly because it is our tradition and also partly because the senior players are thrash.
The truth is we are the ones who play our teenagers, and in some cases, we even overplay our teenagers when they are not ready. You don't hear about other club's fans lamenting like ours.

City's Under-18 team is presently equal to our even slightly better than our Under-18 team and it is almost certain that none of them will smell senior team for maybe 2 to 3 years sef. Meanwhile we have had 2 players make their debuts in a few months and a couple others make the bench.

City's Under-21 team is way better than our Under-21 team and those boys are struggling to make the senior team bench.

Check Villa, Newcastle, Chelsea, Liverpool etc. They all have academies too. How many of them are they playing?

The difference is that their senior players are doing their job so there is no undue pressure on their academy players. Oscar Bobb is 21 and used to deal with our academy but he is still on the fringes at City. If he was here, he would have been on 200 games by now and fans might have started cussing him out too.

Chido not being ready, my question is to the person who says he's not ready.

We are in a state where we need these academy players to play more. Our first team players are either useless or injured.

You'll introduce an academy player and he turns up but in the next game you won't play him to build up.

See how arsenal are using MLS and Nwaneri?

Stivoh:
Amass didn't play at all during the time Dorgu was suspended
Dalot played LWB and mazraoui played RWB

My bad then.

afrodoc:
Name 3 clubs that have given more minutes to teenagers than us this season.

After that name 3 clubs that gave more minutes to teenagers last season.

Na that Amass carry the minutes go up. And na because Dorgu get red card and nobody to use.

I'm not even saying he's not putting them(does he even have a choice with all the injuries?). I'm only calling out that phrase "not ready yet" you guys use.

How is Chido not ready yet?

CrystalTiger:
The thing tire me..

To make matters worse, Obi always looks more composed than Hojlund every fvcking time

Sincerely.

The guy tries. You can see he plays well. I'm not sure he's played a full match.

I don't know the not ready they are talking about.

Na only our academy players no dey ever ready.

Protect them. Protect them. All the ones they protected, where them dey?🤣

MRTA7:
I'm not sure he has a choice. Obi is clearly not ready and forcing him to start could do more damage to him.

What makes Obi not ready?

nitrogen:
Erasmus! Hoping this helps his confidence for the mid week game.

Which confidence?
The guy no sabi. Na otu

CrystalTiger:
Hojlund can't continue starting games for us ffs, this guy is way below average ffs

This is one thing that Amorim is doing that's pissing me off.
These coaches always find a way to get themselves sacked.

nitrogen:
I remember when everyone was saying a ball playing keeper is the trend. We need to play out from the back. We maltreated DDG and went to pick the best GK in the UCL (at the time), who is not only bad at keeping the ball, but somehow lost his ball playing skill in less than one year after signing him.

🤣🤣
How he lost his ball playing abilities is a wonder to me.

God have mercy on us.

Na downfall dey bring all these arguments 🤣

spillo1:
Osimhen comes with a lot of baggage plus a salary of at least 300k. Delap is a steal for just 30Million pounds.

Hodjlund no get baggage o🤣

Most players wey dey pop get baggage wey you dey fear.

Baba come play ball for me. Bring your goals and baggages

obonujoker:
Lol ..

Hope Una no go blame the striker say e dey hold the team back when he begin to score goals as usual...😹

Quote people wey dey blame striker 🤣
Nothing concern me and paparazzi. Na winning and goals be my own.