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[size=13pt]^{U dunno make sense either. . . how dare u !}
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BCuZiMBlaCk:
Thats how we like it

[size=13pt]^{hEYYYYYYYYY Guys let's get in the Club now and dance the damsels like never before, . . . ready?} [/size]

[size=13pt]^{Yeah dear friend i am talking about the one of 1979--- the effect is so dull} [/size]

obinna5000:
@Ogaga4Luv
Is it the 1979 Star Trek film you're referring to or the 2009 film?
The visual effects in 2009 Star Trek film were very good.

[size=13pt]^{If you would like to prove to yourself that God is imaginary, here is one easy way to do it: Look for places in the Bible where God is an absurd, unmitigated jerk instead of the "all-knowing", "all-loving", "fully-enlightened" being that he is supposed to be. The utter contradiction proves that God is imaginary.} [/size]

[size=13pt]^{The Bible is supposedly God's perfect Word. It contains instructions to humankind for avoiding the eternal fires of hell. How wonderful and kind of this God to provide us with this means of overcoming the problems for which he is ultimately responsible! The all-powerful God could have, by a mere act of will, eliminated all of the problems we humans must endure, but instead, in his infinite wisdom, he has opted to offer this indecipherable amalgam of books which is the Bible as a means for avoiding the hell which he has prepared for us. The perfect God has decided to reveal his wishes in this imperfect work, written in the imperfect language of imperfect man, translated, copied, interpreted, voted on, and related by imperfect man.}  [/size]

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[size=13pt]^{The Bridge on the River Kwai
The Bridge on the River Kwai is a World War II film. One of those big movie war epics . But epic though it may be this film is not about the massive global conflict. This is a small story, a story really of two men and their war of wills. The fact that these two men are each in their own way quite mad makes for a fascinating story. It's a story with great moments of triumph and bitter moments of despair. It's a story of great bravery in the face of unspeakable brutality. But really, at its heart, it's a story of madness.} [/size]

[size=13pt]^{Consider all of the people who live in the remote regions of the world who have never even heard the "gospel" of Jesus Christ. Consider the people who have naturally adhered to the religion of their parents and nation as they had been taught to do since birth. If we are to believe the Christians, all of these people will perish in the eternal fire for not believing in Jesus . It does not matter how just, kind, and generous they have been with their fellow humans during their lifetime: if they do not accept the gospel of Jesus, they are condemned. No just God would ever judge a man by his beliefs rather than his actions.} [/size]

[size=13pt]^{God is perfectly just, and yet he sentences the imperfect humans he created to infinite suffering in hell for finite sins. Clearly, a limited offense does not warrant unlimited punishment. God's sentencing of the imperfect humans to an eternity in hell for a mere mortal lifetime of sin is infinitely more unjust than this punishment . The absurd injustice of this infinite punishment is even greater when we consider that the ultimate source of human imperfection is the God who created them. A perfectly just God who sentences his imperfect creation to infinite punishment for finite sins is impossible.} [/size]

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bayooooooo:
The point remains: the presence of imperfections in the universe disproves the supposed perfection of its creator.

[size=13pt]^{dude u should know not everyone here is matured. . . like u can see from his post , he sound a BOO!!  and from another planet lol} [/size]

tbaba1234:
Can you read opening statement first?

[size=13pt]^{God is omniscient. When he created the universe, he saw the sufferings which humans would endure as a result of the sin of those original humans. He heard the screams of the damned. Surely he would have known that it would have been better for those humans to never have been born (in fact, the Bible says this very thing), and surely this all-compassionate deity would have foregone the creation of a universe destined to imperfection in which many of the humans were doomed to eternal suffering. A perfectly compassionate being who creates beings which he knows are doomed to suffer is impossible.}   [/size]

[size=13pt]^{Sorry i come back again i really need to express myself and expose the sincere truth --- The point remains: the presence of imperfections in the universe disproves the supposed perfection of its creator.} [/size]

[size=13pt]<sup>even if we were to allow the necessity of freewill for happiness, God could have created humans with freewill who did not have the ability to choose evil, but to choose between several good options.

God supposedly has freewill, and yet he does make imperfect decisions. If humans are miniature images of God, our decisions should likewise be imperfect. Also, the occupants of heaven, who presumably must have freewill to be happy, will never use that freewill to make imperfect decisions. Why would the originally imperfect humans do differently? That God is asking is not possible because he's claiming too much in tittles i can see whereas , there's no single prove of his existence</sup>
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[size=13pt]^{Thanks for the blessings brother but i think God have nothing good to offer the World while sitting down somewhere above the sky , folding his arms and legs watching all the evil going on --- Instead of me accepting blessing from God i prefer the worst blessings from Satan even though , they have spoiled his innocent name to promotes the invisible and imaginary GOD created by fellow men to stir up things. . . I choose Satan all the way --- Satan is far better than God even}
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bayooooooo:
God ( ) bless you my brother!

[size=13pt]^{The Christians' objection to this argument involves freewill. They say that a being must have freewill to be happy. The omnibenevolent God did not wish to create robots, so he gave humans freewill to enable them to experience love and happiness . But the humans used this freewill to choose evil because God allowed evil to exist , and introduced imperfection into God's originally perfect universe---- God want it that way . God had no control over this decision, so the blame for our imperfect universe is on the God, not humans .}
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[size=13pt]^{She never told me ever since i know her she love dog meat. . . man , i hope u are not trying to separate us ooh} [/size]

REALITY101:
I can't believe you're having affair with a dog eater

[size=13pt]^{I'd just hope you are not serious dude. . . how can u say she's out there fighting over a dog meat? sound funny though but i don't think u telling me serious thing . I'll wait until she enter the house again and confirm} [/size]

REALITY101:
She's somewhere fighting over dog meat

[size=13pt]^{bayooooooo  dear don't mind that asse-hole --- i guess he's only trying to cause distraction and seek attention -- give no room for such kind of comment (s) like i pretend as if i didn't read that from the front of my screen}   [/size]

[size=13pt]<sup>But, for the sake of argument, let's continue. Let us suppose that this perfect God did create the universe. Humans were the crown of his creation, since they were created in God's image and have the ability to make decisions. However, these humans spoiled the original perfection by choosing to disobey God.

What!? If something is perfect, nothing imperfect can come from it. Someone once said that bad fruit cannot come from a good tree, and yet this "perfect" God created a "perfect" universe which was rendered imperfect by the "perfect" humans. The ultimate source of imperfection is God. What is perfect cannot become imperfect, so humans must have been created imperfect. What is perfect cannot create anything imperfect, so God must be imperfect to have created these imperfect humans. A perfect God who creates imperfect humans is impossible.</sup>  [/size]

[size=13pt]^{You don't even have to blame him at all. . . blame God for keeping silent for many years and disproving his existence}   [/size]

all4naija:
I don't blame Hawkins who said God is not needed in the cause of the universe.

[size=13pt]<sup>What did God do during that eternity before he created everything? If God was all that existed back then, what disturbed the eternal equilibrium and compelled him to create? Was he bored? Was he lonely? God is supposed to be perfect. If something is perfect, it is complete--it needs nothing else.  

We humans engage in activities because we are pursuing that elusive perfection, because there is disequilibrium caused by a difference between what we are and what we want to be. If God is perfect, there can be no disequilibrium. There is nothing he needs, nothing he desires, and nothing he must or will do. A God who is perfect does nothing except exist. A perfect creator God is impossible.</sup> [/size]

[size=13pt]^{Yeah u don't need to defend Christianity how which you were Christian when seeing so many things is wrong with their so- called doctrine that is causing confusion here and there in the World today .}  [/size]

tbaba1234:
i am not a christian so i can't defend the christian world view

[size=13pt]<sup>Before we can discuss the existence of a thing, we must define it. Christians have endowed their God with all of the following attributes: He is eternal, all-powerful, and created everything. He created all the laws of nature and can change anything by an act of will. He is all-good, all-loving, and perfectly just. He is a personal God who experiences all of the emotions a human does. He is all-knowing. He sees everything past and future.

God's creation was originally perfect, but humans, by disobeying him, brought imperfection into the world. Humans are evil and sinful, and must suffer in this world because of their sinfulness. God gives humans the opportunity to accept forgiveness for their sin, and all who do will be rewarded with eternal bliss in heaven, but while they are on earth, they must suffer for his sake. All humans who choose not to accept this forgiveness must go to hell and be tormented for eternity.

One Bible verse which Christians are fond of quoting says that atheists are fools. I intend to show that the above concepts of God are completely incompatible and so reveal the impossibility of all of them being true. Who is the fool? The fool is the one who believes impossible things and calls them divine mysteries.</sup> [/size]

[size=13pt]<sup>here is another prove that God doesn't or can't answer prayers. . . -- In Matthew 21:21:

I tell you the truth, if you have faith and do not doubt, not only can you do what was done to the fig tree, but also you can say to this mountain, 'Go, throw yourself into the sea,' and it will be done. If you believe, you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer.

If "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", then if we ask to cure cancer tonight, cancer should dissappear. Right? Yet nothing happens. Note again that there is not a non-literal way to interpret "you will receive whatever you ask for in prayer", unless you replace "whatever" with "nothing" or "little."

The message is reiterated Mark 11:24:

Therefore I tell you, whatever you ask for in prayer, believe that you have received it, and it will be yours.

If God says, "believe that you have received it, and it will be yours," and if we believe in God and his power, then what should happen if we pray to cure cancer tonight? It should be cured. Either that, or God is lying.</sup> [/size]

[size=13pt]<sup>The Judeo/Christian Bible has always used extreme fear as a tool to keep people away from the occult, sorcery, "witchcraft,” and workings of the mind. In the article below, the reasons are obvious. In order for a spell to succeed, the victim must lack the necessary knowledge, be a good sheep, and just "believe."

"YHVH" aka "Yaweh" "Jehova" is nothing more than a system of Jewish magick. "YHVH" known as the "tetragammaton" represents the four corners and elements, as does "INRI" along with the four gospels; these represent the four corners of magick and the four elements that are so important in any magickal working. "YHVH" is used extensively in (Jewish) magick. The Jews stole the Kabalah from the Egyptians and corrupted it. It is mainly chanted- "Yod Heh Vau Heh" in different combinations.

The Gentile people have been force fed Christianity in order to strip us of all knowledge and power. Those at the top play both sides against the middle. What this means is the enemy works from within both sides- each side bashing the other while they both move ahead.</sup> [/size]

[size=13pt]^{Star Trek may appear poorly done in the set and special effects department, but if you look beyond that, you'll see great characters, good stories and music . Star Trek inspired many to make their own Science Fiction movies and shows (example: Star Wars). So, the special effects and sets are not so good, but everything else is great.} [/size]

all4naija:
Star Trek. It was all hype! I swear it was as boring as hell(only burning fire and screaming people - that is how boring hell is like).Lol!!! I would give it a 4/10 rating.

[size=13pt]^{Yes friend you are right--- there are 1000's of God in the world today and still counting}   [/size]

bayooooooo:
Obviously there is more than one God and all are different! Islamic God,  Christian God, Judaism, Buddhism, Taoism, Jainism, Sikhism etc
how many God do we have?

[size=13pt]<sup>Christians consider the existence of their God to be an obvious truth that no sane man could deny. I strongly disagree with this assumption not only because evidence for the existence of this presumably ubiquitous yet invisible God is lacking, but because the very nature Christians attribute to this God is self-contradictory.

It is taken for granted by Christians, as well as many atheists, that a universal negative cannot be proven. In this case, that universal negative is the statement that the Christian God does not exist. One would have to have omniscience, they say, in order to prove that anything does not exist. I disagree with this position, however, because omniscience is not needed in order to prove that a thing whose nature is a self-contradiction cannot, and therefore does not exist.

I do not need a complete knowledge of the universe to prove to you that cubic spheres do not exist. Such objects have mutually-exclusive attributes which would render their existence impossible. For example, a cube, by definition, has 8 corners, while a sphere has none. These properties are completely incompatible: they cannot be held simultaneously by the same object. It is my intent to show that the supposed properties of the Christian God Yahweh, like those of a cubic sphere, are incompatible, and by so doing, to show Yahweh's existence to be an impossibility.</sup> [/size]

[size=13pt]^{Best and the truth we've been asking. . . Bavoooooooooooooo   you have make me smile now that i see you have bring out the real truth out --- honestly , some people are too dump that they even fail to realize that God was Created by men in the first day--} [/size]

bayooooooo:
The answer is simple: Man created God!

babalo1:
Funny as it may sound, to Christians God created Man but to Atheist, it seems the other way around.

[size=13pt]<sup>Yeah , like i have clearly wrote that this isn't for argument --- we're to find out the truth about this thread soon  

hehehehe-- i feel like laughing reading your write up though most especially the part that say you're a Muslim-- u see? this place is open for every one your religion doesn't really matter okay .

1. Where is the Prove (S) that a good God that is omnipotent exist? You can't just say that God exist without giving PROOF .

2. Evil Exist i know very well but who is the source of evil?

3. Your number three on the list Contradict  the number one on the list

Another way to approach the impossibility of God is to think about the concept of omniscience which you've been talking about ever since . If God is omniscient, then it means that he knows every single thing that happens in the universe, both now and infinitely into the future. Do you have free will in such a universe? Clearly not. God knows everything that will happen to you. Therefore, the instant you were created, God knows whether you are going to heaven or hell. To create someone knowing that that person will be damned to hell for eternity is the epitome of evil.

Here is another way to understand the impossibility of God. If you look at the definition of God, you can see that he is defined as the "originator and ruler of the universe". Why does the universe need an originator -- a creator? Because, according to religious logic, the universe cannot exist unless it has a creator. A believer will say, "nothing can exist unless it is created." However, that satement immediately constructs a contradiction, because we must then wonder who created God--- Yeah , who created God? like our topic clearly said . For a believer the answer to that is simple -- "God is the one thing that does not need a creator   . God is timeless and has always existed." How can it be that the everything MUST have a creator, while God must NOT. . . huh  The contradiction in the definition of God is palpable.  

As soon as your think about the concept of a perfect, omnipotent, omniscient being, you realize the impossibility of the concept. That impossibility is yet another way to see that God is imaginary.</sup>   [/size]

tbaba1234:
I am muslim, the problem of evil is not a valid argument against the existence of God.

The internal problem of evil presents its premises as follows:

1. A good God that is omnipotent exist

2. Evil exists

3. Therefore a good God that is omnipotent doesn’t exist

H. J. McCloskey in his article ‘God and Evil’ summarises the problem well,

“Evil is a problem for the theist in that a contradiction is involved in the fact of evil, on the one hand, and the belief in the omnipotence and perfection of God on the other.”

Responding to the Internal Problem of Evil

The first point that needs to be made is that statements (1) and (2) are not logically inconsistent as there is no apparent contradiction. For the atheist to jump to the conclusion that a good God that is omnipotent doesn’t exist is an unwarranted, unless he has assumed, in the words of Philosopher William Craig, “some hidden premises”[4].

These hidden premises seem to be the following,

4. If God is omnipotent, then he can create any world he wants

5. If God is good, then he prefers a world without evil

Statement (4) suggests that since God can create and do anything, then he can create free human beings who always decide to do the right thing and do not fall into evil or suffering. Statement (5) suggests that God is all good so much so that if he could create a world without evil and suffering he would. Otherwise he would himself be evil to prefer that humans experience evil and suffering.

The proponent of this version of the problem of evil has made some unjustified assumptions. These hidden premises make some daring assumptions; firstly it assumes a Christian type of God, one that is just good and omnipotent. Secondly it assumes that God doesn’t have any reasons to permit evil and suffering in the world.

Responding to the first assumption

Muslims do not only believe that God is just good and omnipotent. Muslims believe that part of God’s names and attributes include ‘the Just’, ‘the Severe in Punishment’, ‘the Wise’, ‘the Avenger’, and ‘the Compassionate’, amongst many others. So statements (1, 4 and 5) are inaccurate as the Muslim does not reduce God to parts, rather God is seen as one and unique in context of all his names and attributes. So if God was just good and omnipotent, then there may be problem in reconciling suffering and evil in the world. However if you include attributes such as ‘the Severe in Punishment’ and ‘the Wise’, these problems would not exist. Because perceived evil and suffering in the world can be due to,

• God’s punishment as a result of our sins and bad actions.

• God’s wisdom, as there may be divine wisdom in permitting evil and suffering. Even if we can’t evaluate what the wisdom is, it doesn’t mean it is not there. To argue such a thing would be a logical fallacy, known as the argument from ignorance (argumentum ad ignorantiam). The story of Khidr which can be found in the 18th chapter of Qur’an from verses 60 to 82 is an eloquent account of how God’s wisdom, whether understood or not, has positive results and benefits for humanity.

In addition to this the Muslim can argue that the problem of evil is logically posterior to the existence of God. You need to establish that God exists first before attempting to reconcile who God is with our perception of reality, in this case, evil and suffering.

Lastly the meaning of the word ‘good’ attributed to God needs to be understood in a divine context. In general terms the word ‘good’ has a meaning that relates to human experience, whereas in Islamic theology ‘good’ as an attribute of God is primarily viewed as a unique attribute that can be appreciated but not fully comprehended due to his uniqueness and transcendental nature. Therefore the underlying assumption that evil and a good God cannot coexist may be true with a Christian view of God. However it doesn’t apply to the Islamic concept of God as the atheist will have to reconcile evil and suffering with something that he cannot fully comprehend. So his premises are false due to his incorrect assumption that ‘good’ in the context of God is related to a human understanding of good.

[size=13pt]^{Point of correction this is not an argument dude. . .   we're only sharing together what we know concerning this thread to bring out the truth --- i mean , nothing but the truth !  , okay waiting to read your reply}  [/size]

ifarajimi:
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I love this argument, am waiting for the reply to this.