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dragnet:
as nice as your resolution may sound, it sounds unfair to lionlee especially considering olowo's countenance and body language to the issue, "it's your mistake, deal with it and if you can't, live with it !"

dragnet:
integrity

snazzy5050:
i only explained how offerup messages work to who I quoted... you and lionlee should settle the issue offline, enough of the dragging....

dragnet:
I acknowledged that and I sent you a mail but got no response.

snazzy5050:
They don't delete them, they only get to remove the older once when you reach your message limits... But you can get them back by checking through your offers...

dragnet:
You were trying to say it is illegal and you put up a screenshot, the screenshot says if it's legal without a vpn then it's legal with a vpn and vice versa.

dragnet:
You just spoke against yourself, if accessing offer up from Nigeria is illegal, then doing it with a VPN is also illegal.

mrjojo:
This is a very simple case.

Why does the seller all a sudden not have password? Is the phone stolen? Are all the phones stolen

If no, then I see no reason why the phone should be returned.

Lionlee, you can simply tell the lady's husband the phone is no longer with you, this was a cash deal there is no return policy. So why exactly do you need to take the long route of sending.


Phone should only be sent back if there a fraud case involve in how the phones were gotten else other reasonable resolution method should be considered. Or is there something else involved Lionlee?

khalazi:
I never said he owes anybody. If he's coming out openly to report an issue stating he's right he should drop all facts. He has been droppimg whatsapp screenshots since so let him also drop imei screenshot....
He never said he ran checks in the beginning until I called him out and pointed the checks issue. So he should upload and let everybody see.
If Fmi was off on checks, then it was Lion's fault 100%.

So he should drop that let everyone see. And I'm not being one sided.

McMayor:
Without been one sided and also seeing it from a businessman view, I would let go especially knowing case is now with Police. Remember if this case with Police here there is nothing you can do AS YOU ARE NOT BIGGER THAN THE LAW.

johnolusetire97:
Tbf Ope is only angry because Lionel decided to pull a power move on him after 2 weeks. This should have been settled amicably without anyone trying to pull any form of authority.

This could have been resolved easily by delaying the shipping until everything was resolved. The 2 weeks wait is probably what is annoying Ope the most.

dragnet:
I just remembered this your initial post, I have a big problem with how you presented the issue. You were pointing the bold part at lionlee but the contrary seems to be the case and the arrow may even be pointing to you.

dragnet:
I perfectly understand this but my concern is, since he has involved the law then the items have to be submitted.

wildchild1:
Hmmmm, I have a lot of things to say concerning this issue but I won't say much. I'll just ask one question: what if Ope had already picked up those items and they're no longer in IBL's custody, what would LionLee do?

I'm sure if LionLee had told the family that the remaining phones were sent down to Nigeria, they would not talk about returning all phones. Like I always say going to police station is not a crime, it's just a place to resolve an issue especially in this case. To me I don't think there's anything to be scared of since you're a PR holder, and you've reported at the police station, let the police know that you've sent the other phones to Nigeria and I'm sure they'll resolve the issue of iPhone of the locked iPhone8 cos that's the major bone of contention, the only loss here might just be $50 since the woman said they value the phone at $200

dragnet:
You started posting here first, so I guess he decided to continue. I don't benefit from either of you so don't think I'm picking sides. I'm just responding from what is clear to me.
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You mailed me yesterday asking for some time, I responded to you that I'll be expecting your mail about whatever you wanted to say/report but I didn't get any further mail, so maybe you chose to subject it to the public, and I'm also part of the public.

Sorry I couldn't reply your email because I would have to log in to the email I used to open my nairaland account in other to do that and that particular email currently has log in issues... I didn't ignore you, I have never mailed anyone here before... I contacted you because I wanted us to solve it amicably out of public.

dragnet:
I'm trying to be realistic and I don't think I've said anything out of the ordinary. You can still get better deals, it isn't as if lionlee isn't losing something too you seem to be concerned about just yourself.
lionlee can still give you waiver on shipping and fuel as compensation for the fallout of this deal. the way this deal currently stands, if you take the phones, lionlee loses,
if he returns the phones, he still loses, and you don't really care?

dragnet:
I'm quite surprised that you've been praising lionlee but don't want to see things from his point of view, you claim it isn't about the money yet you refuse to let go? especially when lionlee isn't making a dime from returning the phones, it is quite disheartening that you can't even take into cognizance the fact that the mistake happened just because he wanted to satisfy you, he could've left the whole deal and you'll lose your pickup fee, he loses nothing and even after the issue was discovered, he didn't push it all on you, he magnanimously took the bullet for something that was totally your fault because the responsibility to check iPhone details via the IMEI rests on the buyer, now it's time for you to just rescind and assume the pickup never happened but you chose to hang him?
You're truly not being sincere, you're claiming to be saint-like but your actions speak louder.

dragnet:
I think there's just one way, the phones should be returned especially when the seller has requested for them back, both sides are losing, lionlee and olowobo, lionlee is losing cash, olowo would be losing profit and reputation and I guess some cash too.
The best thing is to keep records clean and returning the phone is the only way to achieve this. If SARS knocks your door and tells you that the phone with you is linked to a murder, would you claim ownership or you'll point them straight to where you got it? though this isn't a case of murder, obtaining under false pretens/fraud/intent to commit fraud is also a heavy crime

drey22:
TO THINK THAT ALL THESE IS HAPPENING COS LIONLEE HAS A GOOD HEART IS REALLY CRAZY...

tikkykay:
Calm down bro
You said it before that you were ready to reason with Lionlee, pls try to do so.

He accepted his fault, You also do have one which is that you didnt know the phone was locked.

He could have told you that he saw the passcode lock, and bought it that way cos you would have checked the icloud part before asking him to pick up.
Except the imei he picked was diff from the one u gave him.

Lastly, i also do think that the 2 parties should come to a conclusion that doesn't include the phones going back to USA.

Whether its by proper sharing of loss,( think that's fair).

Ope remember that you could have been the only one bearing this icloud lock loss if there was no passcode lock and Lionlee didn't tell u all that happened truthfully

tim26will:
Come ooooo, I think I'm just getting you guys. You mean he refunded you for the iPhone 8 which sensibly now belongs to him, but your other items which include the other phones hes saying he want to ship back along with the refunded one?

harmbhrosz:
It makes me feel somehow when 2adult especially male are quarreling, Lionlee and Ope, you guys should kindly resolve this issue amicably without threats and muscle showing please. Una be men na

harmbhrosz:
the Ope guy is threatening to sue him and come tarnish Lionlee's name on this thread na, doesn't that warranty Lionlee defending himself?

lionlee216:
The phone was on password locked. I was convinced when the husband is a nigerian, he looked so decent and collected the iphone 8(password locked) with the promise of sending me the password code when their kid gets home tonight and I informed Ope. when they stopped responding was when i realise i can locate the IMEI on the sim tray and i did a check and noticed there also FMI ON... I knew it was my fault and took responsibilties and refunded him the money for the phone.

Ope claimed iphone was 300$, the lady clamied iphone was 200$. I asked Ope to send me offerup conversation where they negotiated, he simply told me offerup deleted the conversation of 10days ago