₦airaland Forum

Fulaman198:
LOL there is no Neddo ko bandam movement going on Wolof princess. We welcome you guys, you just have to realise that a Fulani thread on a Nigerian forum is not always liked lolllll.

With that said, @OmarBah, the Bot banned you sorry about that, it's a very touchy bot.

Lol , very touchy one indeed. Thanks for explaining.
@ Takamba, I think when Fula , Bororojo and I started talking about the challenges fulbe face, others just lost interest. But everyone is more than welcomed.

Takamba:
Yeah long time no see... I am doing well thanks Omar.
Tidiane Thiam is not even in fact 50% Ivorian but 25%. He is 50%Wolof. His father Amadou Thiam is a Wolof ''Walo-Walo'' from Dagana. He came to Ivory Coast young in 1945 and was a minister under Houphouet. Tidiane's uncle on his father side, the one you're talking about, is Habib Thiam, yes famous prime minister under Senghor. They are Wolof and gnegno (blacksmiths) I think; if that matter.
Now I he was part Toucouleur it would be on his mother side 25% because his mother Marietou Sow has a Senegalese father Pape Magor Sow (and I don't even think they are toucouleurs because pape magor sounds very wolof; despite the surname) and an Ivorian mother (Marietou's mothe is Houphouet's sister). He is part Baoule because his grandmother.
But since Houphoet was very open-minded; they really identify as Baoules. On that subject; just the other day, one guy from Ivory Coast was asking me how can a Wolof man can be a Baoule chief.

Lol they can be prone to xenephobia which is why having family ties with the local groups can be very important.
Tidjane contributed to a book called "qu'est ce qu'un francais?" . It is a collective work where his contribution is titled "La France est une idee, etre Francais une emotion" where he says this about his father

"Mon père, qui était encore vivant quand je commençai à travailler sur le présent texte et qui depuis, nous a quittés, dans sa quatre-vingt-sixième année. Mon père, le fils de Dagana, petite bourgade sur les rives du fleuve Sénégal, fleuve si majestueux, si vital, où la France dans son désir d’expansion est venue tenter de faire d’enfants africains de petits français.

Improbable rencontre entre un enfant africain de neuf ans et une idée si séduisante, celle d’une république où tous, enfant Toucouleur ou enfant de la Corrèze seraient égaux et auraient les mêmes droits, devoirs et chances. Mon père, inscrit d’autorité à l’école par un représentant de cette France républicaine, commandant de cercle éclairé, qui sut passer outre les objections de mon grand-père. Mon grand-père avait en effet préféré se laisser arrêter plutôt que d’envoyer l’aîné de ses fils, son héritier, à l’école, craignant qu’il ne devînt un étranger pour lui et ne parlât une autre langue que la sienne."

Now as much as Africans can consider him African, I bet youm Europeans see him an Afro European.

Takamba:
Omar Bah, hello brother how are you
Sorry to digress your thread but Tidiane Thiam is not Toucouleur sha
He is a Baoule prince from Ivory Coast, or at least they see themselves as from the Akoue clan, his brother is even one of their local chiefs.

Glad to hear from you sister. It has been a long time.
As for Thiam, his family does have Senegalese, toucouleur origins. Part of their family is still there. Even on of his uncles was Prime Minister during Diouf's term as President. Now due to their mother's origins, in Cote d'Ivoire it is only normal and smart to claim their Baoule origins ( I would do the same ). This will confer to their family in the country, political and economic influence.
His identity just like that of many Africans living in Cote d'Ivoire who have Senegalese, Malian or Guinean origins is complex. For example, in the UK , he is seen by other bankers as a french man due to his french nationality and university education.

Fulaman198:
They are some of the most tradtional of Fulbe. Lots of Waynaabe (herdsmen), lots of people who partake in Finatawa. I think they are doing fine. The Sokoto Fulfulde is very similar to the Fulfulde spoken in Maasina, Mali.

How about integration to the countries they live in? As far as social, political and busines and education.

Fulaman198:
Correct but the Sokoto Fulbe are found not only in Nigeria, but Northern Benin republic and Western Niger republic. They truly speak the beautiful Fulani (Fulfulde) dialect in those countries.

How are our people doing in those areas?

Fulaman198:
Lots of Fulanis living in Sokoto and those of Usman Bii Foduye's line were Toroobe or from the Fouta Tooro in in Senegal/Mauritania. Nigeria has groups of Fulanis from several different countries originally. That's why there are various Fulani dialects with Adamawa being the dominant one.

Thank you for that

Oh don't be angry Fulaboy, you can always learn the language. You can create an association of fulfulde speakers in your town and see if people will show up so that you can practice together. If you are on facebook, try fulanitube and zone fulbe. Those two pages interesting things on fulbe. For example a dictionary fulfulde- english has recently been out together.
You can check it out on this website http://diiwal.com/software-download.html

HalimaSadiya:
haha I can't be a "debbo pullo" if I can't speak properly. their dialect is Garoua what about you ?

Halima Barry, are your parents originally from Garoua or from Mali or Guinea?
I have seen you write " mi nanataa fulfude" or " debbo pullo" instead of " pullo debbo" which is what most nigerian fulbe use.
Glad to see another one of us on this forum.
But Dendiraawo, us Wesr Africans do not tribes anymore, you find those in east Africa. Tribes and clans are something of the past, at least in most parts of west Africa. I think the term ethnic group is more appropriate. For example there used to be tribes among Mande, Yorubas, Igbos, Fulanis but now the tribes have disappear to give place to a broader identity, the ethnic group.
Now coming back to your question, I am a Pullo from Guinea living in the United States. There is a growing community of fulbe here.

Fulaman198:
O wonani pullo, o debbo americanjo bandirawo.

Ada andi o debbo?

zeb04:
Hey guys,less talk and more pictures.
I am a fualani myself although,only with the nose.

well welcome on this tread. You are a Pullo (Fulani) from where?

Fulaman198:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kt1cURTpKug

The pride of our Pulaagu is shared throughout the region. One day insh'Allah, I will tour all of the regions in west Africa inhabited by
our people.

Fulaman198:
I don't know who his friend (Gido) Mariama Dikko is, it must be local to the Timbuktu region of Mali in his village where he met her. I thought it was a good song though, very fascinating. Most of the time from what i see in Fulani songs, when they praise heroes, it's always local heroes (we do the same in Nigeria). So sadly, I don't know this Malian lady Mariama Dikko.

Pullo jon petenere....Dikko (Dicko)!!! He was a great guitarist walahi Ali Farka Toure

Tell me what you think of this song Mbawdi:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUUiJJrVxWE


The introduction is completely in Fulfulde, let me know how much you understand of it, it is in Maasinakoore Fulfulde of Mali.

It is nicely played . Timbuktu must be such a cosmopolitan city with people from all backgrounds. It seems though that folks from there speak fulfulde. Is it a majority language there?
I know the Tuaregs are claiming the city, but I doubt it was founded by them.

Fulaman198:
Hey OmarBah, please listen to this song carefully:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PqraUr8-eQo

I Just listened to it like three or four times. I noticed in the beginning he says "Pullo djon Petenere... Dikko" then he says Gido Mariama Dikko if I heard him well.
Do you know who he is talking about?

Fulaman198:
Bandirawo/Dedirawo, when you are born, the first language you hear is your native tongue. Fulfulde/Pulaar as a native tongue to a Native in itself isn't hard to learn (if it's native to you). So there really isn't any excuse. It's like saying English and French are hard for native speakers of those languges. You know what I mean bro? I don't think it's ever acceptable to abandon ones language. But at least the excuse I give them is that they didn't abandon their language for a European language.

It's kind of hard to forgive that. Wassulu fulas are blamed for the same reason by some Futa Jallon fulbe .

Fulaman198:
The Toroobe are indeed a group of clerics. When I said Nigerian Fulanis are mixed, I meant that we have a lot of different Fulani sub-clans here (Ba'en, Kesu'en, etc. etc.) I wasn't implying that we are mixed with anything else except Fulani . That's why in Nigeria if you look at the dialects, there are over 20 Fulani dialects, however Adamawaare and Gombe dialects are the largest ones out of the several. Though one who grew up in a village or has a Mbororo background shouldn't have a problem picking up the various Fulani dialects.

In regards to Kano and Katsina Fulani being able to speak their respective Fulfulde, yes, in Kano there are people who do speak Fulfulde. The problem is that the number isn't much. Despite Bororojo once telling us that Baba Buhari can speak Fulfulde, I have never heard him speak Fulfulde, he has more of a Hausa accent than a Fulani accent, and he is from an area not far from Kano (he is from Daura).

Yar'adua was from Katsina, but he could not speak Fulfulde as well. Most of those Fulbe in NW Nigeria I don't understand why they abandoned the language in favour of Hausa. It does not make sense to me. They could have easily kept the language. I'm glad that we in NE did keep the language.

I know what you meant as regard to the mixture of fulbe in Nigeria. As for fulanis in that region speaking Hausa only , from my readings I have discovered that Hausa is a lot less complicated then fulfulde. Also since Hausa are the majority in that region and other small ethnic groups adopt their language then the fulbe too went along.

Fulaman198:
@Omar Ba, Toumani and Toure are both completely Mande names in origin right? Dabo is too I believe. I know I had a classmate when I schooled in the U.S. with the surname "Dabo" and he was from Burkina Faso and was a Mande. It's true that both Kano and Katsina are Toroobe and originally from Fouta Tooro and if they spoke their Fulani lang, it would sound like the Fulfulde/Pular spoken in Senegal.

Toumani is a Fula name mostly carried by Wassulu Fulas.
The fact that both of the Kano and Katsina families are Torobe takes us back to the convo we were having s few days ago when you told me Nigeria fulanis are mixed, they come from all other regions of west Africa. Also an important detail, despite those two families being torobe, they call themselves Fulanis so it shows how much the term tukulor is confusing. Torobe is a class of clerics, not an ethnic group as the french tried so hard to prove.
Now, do they speak fulfulde? Like the Pulaar of Futa Toro?

kaura5000:
no his great grandfathers name is dabo I dont know whether it is a fula name... the ones bearing dikko are those from katsina royal family

You are right, those of Kano are of the Dano dynasty. I assumed they were both Dikko since they were of the Sullubawa clan. The emirs of Katsina carry their last name while those of Kano do not. Both the Kano and Katsina dyanisties are Torobe which is a caste of clerics of the fulanis( some call the, Hal Pularen meaning those that speak fulfulde). Both Dikko and Dabo aren't typical ( origina four) fulani last names. But in the sahel anything is possible lol. For example the former President of Mali, Amadou Toumani TOURE was fulani despite his name being Manden, not just any Mande, but their noble men.
It seems like despite not speaking or living around fulbe ( fulanis) the emirs of kano still carry in their fulani names like Lamido or Bayero. It's like the Fellata of Saudi. You meet them of social network, they always tell you there are fulanis despite not being able to speak the language. I like it. As long as they remember their origins they can always learn their language some day.
Brother, do you speak fulfulde? Even a little bit?

Fulaman198:
Yes, we do have the Dikko (Dicko) name in Nigeria it's actually quite common.

I think Lamido Sanusi's great grandfather was a Dikko. I remember it from reading on him.

Fulaman198:
lol ok dedirawo

Suka Debbo Lobo Dicko:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wV_Wx3KdoO4


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oIkk2P9injA

I have seen her before. I like the first song. Do you have Dicko last name in Naija? I know they are mostly in Mali.

Fulaman198:
Mido yidi gimol ngol maasin, ada andi gimmowol sukka debbo lobbo?

Mi anda, mi ndaraye youtube.

Fulaman dha yidhi ngol gimol?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d76Hr5jYFeU

Fulaman,
Who is the singer here

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HMn526d6k5Q

They got some nice girls on this video.
If Bororojo was here I would have asked him why Buhari didn't win in Taraba, his state lol

Question Fulaman,
If you guys do not carry the typocal fulani last names, how do you recognize one another? It's quite easy for me to spot out a Pullo but without the name you aren't 100%'sure.

ArtanK:
I wasn't even talking about the recent Garissa attacks until you mentioned it. I'll put it in simple bullet points so everyone can understand where I'm coming from and see past your silly little game.


- You said we despise and distrust Kenyans.
- I began stating the reasons why some members in our community don't like them i.e. Jubaland initiative, maritime border dispute, Wagalla, Garissa massacres and I didn't even mention the recent Kasaraani concentration camp.
- Then you spontaneously mention the recent Alshabab attack on Garissa and accuse me of trying to make you look away from it when we weren't even talking about it.
- When I said that no life is worth more than another you ignored that and again accused me of covertly supporting Alshabab. I didn't talk about Garissa in 1980 from the get go, you just desperately mentioned the Uni attack to make me look like the villain here. It was a pathetic attempt tbh.

There is no way you can suffer from amnesia at your age. But since we never know, let me refresh your memory. The first part of our debate was over when Dendirawo Fulaman asked me to stop generalizing. Which I was about to do before Samaale/Puntite started attacking my folks (Fulanis). Then out of nowhere you decided to comment on one of my post where I made reference to recent tragedy in Kenya. I said "These folks are a parasite for anyone that lives next to them. Have you seen the things they just did in Kenya? " To which you responded the following

ArtanK:
Garissa is a predominately Somali town in Kenya and many of the victims were Somali... We can also play that game too and blame BH on Northern Nigerians.

To anyone following this post, you can clearly see that he is the first one to mention the word "Garissa". So he knew I was talking about the recent cowardly attack conducted by Al Shabab in a Kenyan University that left 147 dead. Page 17 of this post would be a good place to start and work your way back if you want to check for yourself. It is only afterward that you (Artank) talked about the past massacre at Garissa which led to this post of yours.

ArtanK:
No life is worth less than another so why should we forget our people that were massacred at the hands of the Kenyan government and weep when they are massacred by terrorists? It would be ideal for us if the men behind the attack on the university were brought to justice but there is absolutely no way in hell we're just going to forgive and forget what happened on Wagalla airstrip in 1984 and in Garissa 1980.

I suspect Artank is a "little" vindictive otherwise I do not see the point of bringing back what happened in 1984-85.

ArtanK:
The article states common problems among the African community in America. The prejudices and stereotypes are quite widespread among Africans, believe it or not I've read an article that reported on Nigerian immigrants calling AAs 'akata', I'm sure you know what that means. As for the US soldiers in Somalia, what do you expect? Even the white soldiers were called pigs and what not. We all know where it ended for the US in Somalia.
All the minorities, including major clans were marginalised under the Siad Barre regime and the Bantu received their fair share of it. Also during the civil war, the minorities were technically sitting ducks and the warring factions took advantage of them. They fare much better today where they own their own farmland and are incorporated into the Somali clan system. All the minorities need better political representation so it is fair for them as well. That problem is slowly being fixed now. Somali Bantu workers enjoy a lot of freedom and benefit immensely from the construction boom in the capital.

It is up to you if you choose to believe a man who declared himself God and spewed a load of other crap here. I'm done arguing about this.

Still in denial and that's okay if it makes you feel better. There are actual books about relations between Somalis and African Americans(the books are of the least importance here, so don't come tell me about other Africans) where for some funny reason, the same things we read axum, Ajuraan, Samaale or whatever say here, is mentioned in the book. Somalis made mockery of AA soldiers about their hair and looks. How come then that Somali kids that grow up in the states say the same things of other Africans and AA? Where do they learn it? Not from the womb of their mothers. It is in the household, therefore part of their culture. And this has been my point all along on the subject. Axum says louder what most Somalis believe but wouldn't say HERE because they know better.

ArtanK:
You are contradicting your own link. Most of the fighting were between the Somali National Army + the Somali ASWJ fighters and Alshabab. That's why the SNA had the most soldiers in the battles before Alshabab withdrew from Mogadishu and also the most casualties. In the two year timeline in that link, there were more than 500 dead Somali soldiers compared to the 100 Amisom soldiers.

Now that is far from leaving the city "without a single bullet fire". Once again , those were your terms buddy. 500 Somali and Amison soldiers dead, that is some serious fighting.

ArtanK:
Since we're paying close attention to the terminology, is it not stealing when the resources sit on our EEZ? You are completely ignoring the fact that Kenya entered Somalia with their main priority being to create a vassal state so they can influence the decision making in Somalia. Top that with recently disputing our waters and getting foreigners (China and Norway) to fund their sinister plan. You can sugar-coat it however you like but it is most definitely exploitation, theft and treachery.

Like I said, it is disputed territory. You have not been able to prove that they "invaded" your land to create a vassal state. You are reaching there Pal. It only belong to you if it is international recognized. Stealing oil is like the US invading Iraq and pumping their oil, now that, is oil theft. The Yahoo article clearly stated that both states dispute the rights. We'll let the judge decide. Cote d'Ivoire and Ghana had a similar issue recently.

ArtanK:
Most Somalis? didn't you say that you met really few? You are clutching straws really but I'll let you have it. It only reflects on your intelligence when you generalise an entire community because of a troll and someone who excluded themselves when he/she was talking to you or other Africans.

I really hope you keep it at hi and bye, it would spare a fellow Somali from having to deal with your bias. As you said, you believe what you want.

Are you confused by "few" and "most". Let me put it in single in simple terms. Take our exchanges on nairaland for example. We have had few exchanges and most of them were not cordial. The same way I have only met few Somalis and most of them were prejudicial.
Yes, Artank, when you approach a black African that refers to other Africans as "you Africans" it says a lot about him. I don't mess with that type of people. I like those that keep it 100%.
Let's get on another topic shall we. You did mention how you helped other African countries for their independence (since amnesia could be of an issue, let me quote it).

ArtanK:
He's exaggerating, if we really hated people, we wouldn't have helped many African states in their fight for independence - I'll expand on this when we're discussing political influence. We're not xenophobic but he is.

Who did you help for independence ? I am curious to know. I have never heard of a Somali pan African. Nasser, Boumediene, Bouteflicka, the Emperor Haile Selassie, all of them were great pan Africans. The first three being Arab/Amazigh and the other being Habesha. Looks like Artank will teach me something new. Sweeeet
Also you are not xenophobic? ROFL GFTO man. I got a good laugh on that one.

ArtanK:
Portugal was not a superpower in the 15th century?? You can repeat that again.
They tried to destroy and loot the Somali coast completely, they failed and the plan backfired on them. Their colonies in Southeast Africa paid the price for their stupid plan.

Preventing the invasion of a foreign military is far from "bringing it down" (those were your explicit terms). That was gross self flagellation on your part. When I read you , I thought wow, Somalia destroyed Portugal, they went all the way there to bring down the European state. Oh well, we'll pass on this one.

Fulaman198:
For us of Mbororo'en origin it's not too hard to adapt to different dialects of Fulfulde

Does he live in America with you?

He is in Sudan I believe. This is an online thing lol

The book is titled The Journal of African History and it discusses the states and their economy. On page 348, here is what is said of the currency " the economy was highly monetized with a common currency based on cowries, gold and silver coins."

Here is a link to an online version of the book http://www.jstor.org/discover/10.2307/181948?sid=21106369628673&uid=2&uid=70&uid=3739808&uid=2129&uid=3739256&uid=2134&uid=60&uid=2480676933&uid=3&uid=2480676923

Attached you have a picture of the page.

ArtanK:
And where did you pull this out of? You are just pure comedy wallahi.

Tell me about the currencies of these states.

As for your question, the Ajuuraan empire fought tooth and nail with the Portuguese and even going after them to defeat them on the East African coast repeatedly.

Are you serious, is this what you call "bringing down European superpowers". That is gross self flagellation. Not only Portugal was not a superpower but defeating them at your coast is far from bringing them down. I thought you were going to tell me how you had your navy go to Europe to destroy their state. The Moors on the other hand which had Black Muslims did go as far as occupying the Iberian Peninsula. Now that is something to brag about. Ehhh Allah!

ArtanK:
Hmmm ok what does this mean then?
And how exactly have I proven that I don't care about the Garissa Uni attack?

Here is what you said earlier

Artank:
No life is worth less than another so why should we forget our people that were massacred at the hands of the Kenyan government and weep when they are massacred by terrorists? It would be ideal for us if the men behind the attack on the university were brought to justice but there is absolutely no way in hell we're just going to forgive and forget what happened on Wagalla airstrip in 1984 and in Garissa 1980.

From the get go, you started reminding me of what happened in Garissa in 1980 and you clearly said that won't weep for the Kenyans. Why would you remind me of such if you didn't see in the recent killings some sort of revenge? The more we talk about this, the more you deep yourself deeper. Of course you can't come out clearly and say you approve of it. But anyone that can read between the lines knows your position.

ArtanK:
Somalis get along just fine with everybody - you can't refute that statement either. All you have is a school fight and Axum's trolling.

You are in denial. First of all here is an article pertaining to tensions between Somalis and black Americans.
http://www.tcdailyplanet.net/news/2009/12/20/african-and-african-american-clashes-culture
Here is also another link on a book that discuss of the same relations where black American soldiers describe how Somalis used to make fun of their hair and looks when the US deploy there. The book also mentions how most Somalis do not identify with other black Africans and how even to this day, the descendants of Bantu Tanzanian slaves are mistreated in Somalia. Will you refute this? Again you are in denial. Axum only expresses what[b] most[/b] Somalis feel deep down. And I wish other west Africans who are generally friendly to anyone would realize that.

ArtanK:
You mean the AU soldiers that were commanded to a 1km road from the airport to the presidential palace. AU only started the fighting after 2011, before that, they allowed Alshabab to be in control of most of the south and central regions and the only entities actually fighting Alshabab were Somali clan militias.

Btw AU didn't drive them out of the capital, they were in possession of most of the city until they left suddenly without a single bullet being fired.

lmao, they left a city that they controlled just like that, "without a single bullet fired". What a joke. Forgive me for not believing you. There is actually a wikipedia post on the battle. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Mogadishu_%282010%E2%80%9311%29
Al Shabab has been loosing ground in the country mostly due to the intervention of the AU and other east African countries. They panicked which is why they are attacking Kenya hoping to have them withdraw from Somalia.

ArtanK:
Did you even click the link? and do you ever google stuff? We are not talking about Sudan! Jubaland is got it's name from the River Juba that runs across the southern regions of Somalia.

http://news.yahoo.com/somalia-sues-kenya-top-un-court-over-maritime-225946278.html
http://www.theeastafrican.co.ke/news/Somalia---It-s-our-water--sovereignty--/-/2558/2467202/-/147svx/-/index.html
http://www.geeskaafrika.com/kenya-risks-of-losing-somalis-territorial-waters-in-the-indian-ocean/5521/

Notice how they tried to accelerate the oil exploration in disputed area after they created a vassal state within Somalia.

Yahoo is a lot better than the shitty website you provided earlier. I know enough not to trust articles coming from dubious websites. Now on the subject of oil, we will see what the court has to say. Stealing your oil would mean that it is already known to be yours and that the presence of Kenyan troops is ultimately for exploitation of the resource. But we do agree that it is not the case here. Both countries lay claims to it. Ghana and Cote d'Ivoire had the same problems recently.

ArtanK:
Pardon me for having a hard time believing you but you are full of inconsistencies. If you truly had so many encounters with Somalis, you would have shared them the first time I asked you. You didn't have a hard time repeating whatever Axum said so why was it so hard to recall your "encounters" when they were needed? I call that bullshitt.

Once again, I dislike black Africans that call refer to other Africans as "You Africans" and it is the case of most Somalis I have met which why I do not carry our conversations far. Once any African employs that term, it automatically shows you the kind of person he or she is. I try to keep it to the usual "Salam alaykum" and that's it.

ArtanK:
Smh you are not making any sense! We weren't talking about the recent Garissa attack so how on earth am I trying to make people look away from it?
You said that we don't like Kenyans so I mentioned some facts about the history between Somalia and Kenya then you say put aside the past?? WTF... Look back at your responses and count your contradictions. Your inconsistencies show that you're way out of your depth.
No life is worth less than another so why should we forget our people that were massacred at the hands of the Kenyan government and weep when they are massacred by terrorists? It would be ideal for us if the men behind the attack on the university were brought to justice but there is absolutely no way in hell we're just going to forgive and forget what happened on Wagalla airstrip in 1984 and in Garissa 1980.

I did not say you don't like Kenyans, I said you do not get along with any community you live with. And you can't prove that wrong. Whether it is black Americans, white Americans or British.You have proven with this post that you simply do not care about the recent attack in Garissa which proves my point. Members of the Somali community outside in the west do support them whether morally and/or financially.

Artank:
I would be over the moon if AU left tomorrow, because I know that if Somali soldiers had received better training, equipment and same salary as the AU soldiers, Alshabab would have ceased to exist around 3 years ago. We really wish Kenya and all East african countries success and prosperity but it doesn't and shouldn't come at the expense of Somalia/Somalis.

That is highly unlikely. After many years of fighting it took the AU intervention to drive Al Shabab out of the capital and bring in a minimum of peace. We can discuss all the possible "ifs" but let's face the reality for what it is.

Artank:
http://100r.org/2011/12/kenyas-somali-adventure/

You can also read how China funded Kenya on the failed Jubaland initiative on wikileaks.

the Chinese intervention in the Sudanese conflict in well known. But I will need a more reliable source to accept the claim that Kenya is after "your oil".

Artank:
You've proved me right when I said that your interactions with Somalis is bare minimal and I'd even go as far as saying that the only Somali you've ever had an exchange with is Axum since he's your only point of reference.

Your accusations of me trying to 'convince' people that we're not like Axum are just childish... I wasn't trying to convince anyone anything, I was trying to expose your ignorance and unreasonable bias. It was quite fun watching you go around in circles because you just can't admit that you were wrong.

I really expected better from a Fulani on Nairaland, considering the amount of Fulani bashing I've seen on here. Then again, this is the Internet, you see all kinds of weird shitt.

If I were to tell you a bunch of anecdotes of encounters with Somalis, you wouldn't believe me anyway. It won't change anything. Our conversation is virtual. You believe what you want. Like I said, I have had contacts with Somalis but never brought it far. I despise black Africans that refer to other Africans as "you Africans" as if they were not. And I usually never take our conversations far. It is seldom productive. I'd rather talk to Kenyans, Ugandans, Tanzanians etc...
I had a post here about African renaissance where I had constructive discussions with other brothers from the continent, that's the kind of convo I like. As for the Fulani bashing, well, the new President Elect of Nigeria is a full blooded Fulani. If Nigerians truly hated Fulanis, they would not have voted for three of them. Nigeria has had three elected Fulani presidents notably Shehu Shagari , Umar Yar'Adua and Buhari. To give you a perspective, this country has had five elected presidents since the end of the civil war. Three of them happen to be Fulanis. So you are right, we see all kind of stuff on the net. I can care less about a bunch of western kids that have African parents have to say about Fulanis.

ArtanK:
I can also mention Somali sultanates like the Warsangeli, Bimaal, Geledi, Dervish state and of course my own Majertain Kingdom. But I want to know of the bigger Fulani states that took down European superpowers, had their own coinage, had trade links with the rest of the world and etc. The only state that is almost worth a mention is the Sokoto Caliphate which dispersed after a mere 100 years. It is no match to Adal empire which existed for 600-700 years or the 500 year-old Ajuuraan empire in south and central Somalia.

Let's not get off track here. I mention spreading Islam for the fact that some Somalis think that other Muslims from Africa are either recent Muslims or that through they were the only ones to spread the religion on the continent. And the states that I have mentioned had their own currency, conducted trade with the rest of world. Both the French and the British traded with those. The British had set up trading posts along the coast of Guinea and paid fees to the Almamy of Futa Jallon.
Now tell me what European "superpoowers" did you bring "down" (those are your own terms) and I will tell you how wrong you are.