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I am friends with a Pullo from Sudan who speak fulfulde fluently. I think fulbe and hausa that live in Sudan mostly speak fulfulde and Arabic. His fulfulde is good. He can actually adapt to the dialects and all.

It is ridiculous how you keep trying to convince to look away at the current Garissa massacre. Put aside what happened in the past, I am talking about what happened a few days ago. Are you going to tell me that those massacred were ethnic Somalis?
So is the Africa Union trying to "loot your oil too", was Uganda doing the same? Nobody is trying to get on your oil. But at least we can agree on one thing, Kenya should pull out. If they were after your oil, then you should be happy. As for me, I would be glad to see an emerging African economy get out of this mess on focus on its economy.
As for my encounters with your people, well I have had a few. There is one thing I despise about every African that I see in the states, when he or she starts referring to other Africans as " you Africans...". That is generally a bad sign. And the discussion are geared toward stereotypes. So I take my distances. This is how the Somalis that I have met. And if you have noticed, I keep saying I am glad having met axum and others on the net. Anonymity has this great thing about it. People can say what they want and mean without anyone to judge them. That's when their true self come out. And through these interactions, I have come to understand why Somalis everywhere they are, have tensions with the people they live with. I am sympathetic to Kenyans. You probably can't understand this but I do want Africans to advance in science and tech and gain more influence and respect in this world. Al Shabab is a distraction from that.

ArtanK:
See this comment demonstrates what I really meant when I called you ignorant. You have no idea of the history between Kenya and Somalis, no idea of the Wagalla massacre (5000 dead Somalis in one day) or the Garissa massacre... oh yes, Garissa had 3000 of its Somali sons massacred in broad daylight.

It was Kenya's own decision to fight Alshabab inside Somalia so they could create a buffer state that would serve their interests from inside Somalia meanwhile they try to loot the oil in our maritime EEZ. That plan backfired horribly, Juba admin is now fully incorporated in the Somali gov and Alshabab is wreaking havoc in Kenya. That is not our fault, they tried to execute a devious plan and it failed. I sympathise with the Kenyan people for being misinformed and scapegoated by their government.

What I don't understand is how you can blindly choose sides in a place that you have no understanding of and has nothing to do with you... I'm really amazed.

Here are the name of the names of the states:
The Imamat of Futa Toro,
The Imamat of Futa Jallon,
The Sokoto Caliphate and Amadamawa,
And Massina in Northern Mali.
By the way Tekrur was not a subject of Ghana though it was usually in conflict with them mostly due to religion.

ArtanK:
1. The bold part is bullshitt and I know for a fact that you are just repeating exactly what Axum said. The only reason why you are agreeing with his narrative is because you actually believe what he says and refuse to admit that he is wrong. In my part of Somalia, my people hadn't seen Bantu's for 100s of years until they arrived as internally displaced refugees.
2. I don't speak for Ethiopians.
3. I'm convinced more and more that your interaction with Somalis is absolute minimal.
4. But since you see 'my' people on a regular basis, share some of the things they do that convinced you that we're xenophobic. Even non-Somalis who know us can easily see through Axum's bullshit and he has been playing you guys for a long time.



LOL are you hearing yourself? Islam didn't reach Kenya and South Sudan fully because Somalis were racists - That is beyond ridiculous man even Fulaman will agree.

I've read about the Takrur and I remember it being a subject of the Ghana empire and they joined the moravids in their endeavours in Andalusia afterwards. That's if I'm not mistaken. I will do some reading on the Fulani states that you didn't mention but I can comfortably say that not a single Fulani state that is comparable to the Ajuuraan, whether it is in terms of legacy, trade, territorial governance and influence. Bear in mind this is the empire that welcomed the evicted Muslims from Spain with open arms.

But anyway since we're name dropping, we had great scholars and leaders too starting with Imam Ahmed Ibrahim Al-Ghazi, Hasan and Abderahman Al-Jaberti, Sheikh Abadir Umar Ar-rida, Umar Dunya-Hawz, Garad Ahmed Hirabu to Sheikh Uwaiz Al-Barawi and Sayid Mohammed Abdillah Hassan. Harar has mosques dating back to the 9th century. Trust me when I say the importance of the horn when it comes to the spreading of Islam cannot be downplayed, not even a bit.

Have you ever heard of the Meji Restoration? Japan brought hell on the Samorai who wanted to keep the old social structure intact. During the restoration they embraced western lifestyle and technology. Yes they are conservative but they got rid of some of the bad aspects of their culture that keeps them from progressing. Currently, Abe their PM wants to reform their country to allow more women in the work force and even multiculturalism. Their new miss is biracial, that goes to tell you the direction they want their country to move toward. South Korea new door was also conservative but they changed a three decades ago and look at the results. Mao changed China, brutally yes, but the social structure changed. I want Fulanis to make electronics, to participate in innovating, to be part of the world economy and if that requires some profound changes, I am willing to do it. The worst thing one can do in the 21st century is stick to negative aspects of his culture, it eventually become your own worst enemy. If there is an example I want in the Muslim world for Fulanis, it is Turkey, a modern Muslim country that embraces science and technology and pushes for equal rights for everyone. None of that birth right bull crap or the stupidity of the Wahhabis. Y'all can have that.

ArtanK:
He's exaggerating, if we really hated people, we wouldn't have helped many African states in their fight for independence - I'll expand on this when we're discussing political influence. We're not xenophobic but he is.

Japan has a more conserved culture than Somalis and look where that took them. We established great empires, sultanates and kingdoms, we went wrong in the civil war and let clans divide us but we would have achieved greater things had we been a little smarter in the 90s.

You can't argue about political influence. Unless you want to go in the past but today there is no match. Kenyans, the Bantus that your people despise and look down upon so much, are the ones helping Somalia get back on its feet. Now that is a noble thing to do. But I think Kenya should not have let herself drawn into that madness. Even the US withdrew from it. Now they have to spent resources on security instead of economy. A big waste for them.
PS: reminiscing on all glory is a hell of thing. It consumes you. Part of it feeds the current problem we have in west Africa with people wanting to bring back Islamic states. But hey, what do you I know. Somalis are what they are, they will never change.

ArtanK:
I don't know If I've said this before but Somalis share almost nothing with northern Sudanese people, they speak arabic, dress like them and behave like them. Most Somalis don't even speak Arabic. See even though it is taught in schools, it is not important in Somali lands. Somali culture is completely different from Arabic culture. I would understand it if you said Muslim Ethiopians/Eritreans but Sudanese are not where near similar to Somalis.

As for spreading Islam, in the medieval times. The walled city of Harar which was the capital of the Somali Adal empire was considered the 4th holiest city of Islam. Often being described as Madinat Al-Awliya by Muslim scholars.
I'm not aware of the kind of resistance the Fulanis faced in their endeavours but we faced the Portuguese at their prime (on land and on sea) and the oldest Christian kingdom on earth, Abyssinia and still defeated them in battle because they mistreated the Muslims. The Adal empire started out in Zeyla (which one of the oldest mosques in the world, Masjid al Qiblatein) and the Gulf of Tadjoura in the Red Sea and managed to conquer a territory larger than Nigeria within 2 years. Today, 40% of Ethiopians and half of Eritreans are Muslim, obviously I'm not going to claim that it is all down to Somalis but we played a huge part in spreading Islam in the horn.

Somalis expanded in territory, from being a small tribe in the mountainous regions near the Red Sea, to now settling deep inside Kenya. Around the same time as Adal, we had another Somali empire in the south called the Ajuuraan empire which traded and dealt with people from all over the world. From Christian Europeans to Indians, Malay and Chinese dynasties. There are also many scriptures pointing towards Abu Barakaat al-Barbari who was single-handedly responsible for spreading Islam in the Maldives being Somali and there are also many books stating the Ajuuraan possessed a large colony in Kinolhas (Maldives).

What I gather from your comment is a lot of resentment, mostly down to ignorance when it comes to the horn. As I said before, we are indifferent to all non-Somalis, whether you are dark or light. That's why the old age Somalis forbade the Europeans from marrying Somali women, their women giving birth on Somali soil and also called Arabs a bunch of women (Sayyid Mohammed) when it came to battle.

You know I get that you are trying to convince not most ( I know not all horners ) are not prejudicial to other Africans but it does not work. Believe it or not, I have come across you people, specially Ethiopians. Most Somalis that I have met was at the mosque, a place where we all tend to behave accordingly and share the food for Ramadan. But they too are prejudicial. Apparently you consider all non horners Bantus and find some pride in having enslaved some bantus from Tanzania in the past. I guess it is a way to reminiscent the lost "glory." And that is why you don't get along with anyone, white or non white.

Now as for the Fulanis and Islam the first state in west Africa to embrace and started getting engaged in spreading Islam was the Tekrur state which flourished around the same time the Ghana empire did. When it eventually collapsed due to the whole region being mostly traditionalist, most fulanis Muslims lived around Timbuktu. The manuscripts that date back to the 11th century have some written in fulfulde. I don't know if you have recently heard of them. The crazy thugs that claim to be Jihadists wanted to destroy them when they occupied Northern Mali in 2012. From the Mali state to the Songhai one that came afterward, Islam couldn't truly take a strong hold in the region even with the wars of Askia Muhamed who was Soninke. It took the Fulani Jihadist states that you can look up , to firmly establish the region in west Africa and have Muslims practice the faith in peace. Some of the notable scholar were Karamoko Alfa of Futa Jallon current day Guinea, Souleymane Baal and Abdul Karim Kane in Senegal. Souleymane Baal was known for abolishing slavery and for fighting the cast system. You also have Sheku Amadu in Mali, Usman Dan Fodio and Modibbo Adamawa in Nigeria and Cameroon. El Hadj Umar Tall was also part of the campaign. So you can see how extensive it was.

Fulanis have been in contact with Portuguese too. Actually the Denianko state, who was built by traditionalist fulani in Senegal had extenstive trade relations with Portuguese traders. The state is known as the Empire of Gran Pulo on Portuguese books of the time. Though the Portuguese never tried to invade it. The same was true with French and English on the coast of Guinea who had to pay fees to the Almamy of Futa Jallon to be allowed to continue their business. It was the internal fighting among West Africans which weakened their states that eventually allowed the westerners to overtake us. But even during colonialism, fulanis along with soninkes never stop spreading the religion, this time through peace. If maybe Northern Sudanese( yes, you told me you are not related, I knew that) and you guys, were more open and flexible, maybe the whole of Sudan and who knows Kenya would have been majority Muslim. A Muslim is not supposed to racist or rejecting, instead he approaches others to bring them to the religion.

ArtanK:
The Kingdom of Aksum occupied a lot of the southern parts of Yemen and Saudi Arabia but that was over 1000 years ago. The name Aden is 100% Arabic, it can be confused with the name Aden/Adan which is a very common Somali name but that's just a variation of the name Adam.

In fulfulde Aden means a person.

kaura5000:
deputy governor of kano state

Humm , so there are a few fulanis that still speak fulfulde in Northwestern Nigeria?
By the way, are you Hausa?

kaura5000:
His nickname is bandirawo.. he is one of the surviving pullo in kano state who have manage to keep the culture in addition to speaking fulfulde his hausa id not too fluent

Who is he?

axum:
Lol at Arab-wannabe. Somalis speak their own language and have their own culture. Just because they share more political ideology with Arabs than africans doesnt mean we are arab wannabes. Somalis care about religion and the rest is politics as Ethiopia is Christian, and we are Muslim.
. Somali culture cannot even be penetrated by outsiders as its hostile and xenophobic to non Somalis. Our society is run by clans and sub and sub sub clans. So foreigners cannot change our culture, thus why we have the oldest customer law still in practice, our own language, culture, customs despite being in a region that traded with asia, europe and middle east.

This summarizes all of the problem that Somalis have with each other and with other people. I stated this to your brother ArtanK but he keeps on denying it. Do you think it is a source of pride for a society to be still divided in sub clans in the 21st century? Or for a culture to be so conservative that it shuts everything from the outside even the good things?
Lol and you are proud of the hatred between you and your neighbors instead of embracing brotherhood with them and build something for yourselves. I am glad I have met you on this forum, now I know how shallow minded you people are.

ArtanK:
I've already explained that you made the claims, I can only dispute it if you back it up with facts. Otherwise it will all be hogwash.

I'm logging off now. If I don't see a by tomorrow, I'll take it as a sign that you've taken back what you said.

Salamaat.

Considering that Guinea, Senegal , Mali, Well most West Africa is Muslim and that it is mostly done through the Islamic states built by fulbe,
Considering that Ethiopia and Eritrea, the states that are close to you, Ethiopia, Kenya,and even Eritrea are mostly Christian,
I don't see why Somalis act as if among black people, there are "supreme" when it comes to Islam. We have done, by the grace of Allah, more to spread the religion that you did. The same is true for North Sudanese , for all these years, incapable of bringing Islam down south and nos those guys have even taken independence. What an idio.t El Bechir is. By the way, I lump you and Northern Sudanese in the same group. You are all Arab wannabe. Sorry but it's true.

One is off the list. Let's wait for the response for the others.
Salam.

ArtanK:
How can I dispute your claims without facts?? You shouldn't have said what you said if you're not going to be steadfast upon your word. I mean after all, we are just a bunch of starving terrorist kunts... I'm out.

You asked me if I want to put it up to debate, I said " yes, the ball is in your court".

ArtanK:
That happens everywhere, Somalis are actually the ones who are racially abused, often times singled out for not 'looking' or 'being' like the rest. I've seen this happen in Frankfurt and in London as well. Hence why Somalis stick to themselves in the west.

They receive funding from deviant Somalis no doubt, but most of their funding comes from elsewhere. The British spy on Somalis because many diasporan youths left the west to join Alshabab due to radicalisation via internet, fake sheikhs and so on. Same with ISIS.

The same happens to Fulanis too at time, but that doesn't mean we have to hate others. Trust me, you might not be like that but most of your people and Northern Sudanese too are prejudicial. Same with Ethiopians.
Why go fight for ISIS when they can spread Islam peacefully in Eastern Africa? Those kids are confused. Rebuild your state and take them back, it will be better.

ArtanK:
You made the claims, of course I'll dispute it. It is your job to back it up with facts.

I'm logging off for now but I'll be expecting a reply by tomorrow.

You Won't be leading this debate nigga.

I posted a video of a fight between somali and black Americans in the high school. They stated the tensions between them. Somalis have the same issues with any other community they live next to, why? Like I said, I suspect Axum says what most other somalis believe and say behind closed doors. And it comes out occasionally in public.
Also there is no denial part of the somali diaspora supports al shabbab despite the terrorists killing their own people. And it is the reason why the police spies on British Somalis.

ArtanK:
The Garissa attack was on Somali soil, I've been to Garissa myself and I've got relatives that live there. They killed many Somalis on Thursday, even the Kenyan NLers will confirm this.
They are a bunch of cowards, there is no doubt about that. It is not the first time they've slaughtered students. They bombed a graduation ceremony for Somali medical students, killing and injuring most if not all of them in 2009. Google Hotel Shamo Mogadishu.

But is it the case of you haven't suffered enough, therefore Alshabab must be all yours? Aren't Somalis the ones who witness their barbaric behaviour firsthand? GFTO with that bullshit.

Note: how I said northern Nigerians. Going by your logic, all northerners are responsible for BH... Your people shouldn't kill innocent people don't you agree?

As for your claims of superiority.. you made the claims, now you back them up with facts. That's how a debate works.

You wanted to put it up to debate and like I said the ball is in your court. Notice the topics are, political influence, spreading Islam, economics and education.
I hope you speak French.

Fulaman198:
No, I'm not really familiar with it. I just thought that Fellata was the word Arabs use to describe us

Most of it, gido yarem kossam, sokaabe yarem kossam lol, I love the song.

Are you familiar with the Fallatah last name?

Fulaman198:
Spirit of the Fulani an 8,000 year old spirit:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmlADYZLK-s

Good to hear from our Sudanese brothers. There was a documentary by Al Jazeera on us, but it was in Arabic.

ArtanK:
You want to put that up for debate?



Garissa is a predominately Somali town in Kenya and many of the victims were Somali... We can also play that game too and blame BH on Northern Nigerians.

Why are your people terrorising innocent people and killing thousands every month?
Why did your people kidnap hundreds of women and children?

Stop lying man, they separated the Christians from the Muslims and started killing the christians as if that was okay. They are only a bunch on cowards.
What are talking about man? Who killed thousands of people? Who kidnapped women and children? Boko Haram is led by Kanuris not Fulanis for your information.
As for spreading Islam in history, political influence and economic influence and education, I am up for the debate. The ball is in your court.

Samaale:
Bantu is what we call all non horner sub saharan african.

You are all negeroid to me cant tell you apart!

You don't define me. Kado for single and Habe for plurial is also the term some fulanis use for all non fulanis whether horner or not.
I will spare you the description. As for Somalis, some of us, not all of us since we aren't prejudicial , call you guys hakkabe which means cursed people lmao,

Samaale:
Lool
Read and weep
http://m.modernghana.com/news/455846/1/africas-most-entrepreneurial-ethnic-groups.html

The somali
With their country in shambles for over two decades, one can easily assume that the Somali must be the most impractical people with the worst management skills. But if their success in business is put into consideration, nothing could be further from the truth. The Somalis rank amongst some of Africa’s most entrepreneurial communities. They mainly operate as merchants owning several stalls and are dominant in import-export trade due to their networks in Dubai and Guangzhou. You will find Somalis in businesses such as imports of clothes, shoes, watches, laptops and other manufactured goods mainly from Asia. Export trader mainly involves miraa or khat to Somalia, Djibouti, Eritrea and the Arabian Peninsula. In recent years, many Somalis have diversified into transportation, hospitality and banking.


And
http://mereja.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=51524


And
http://www.hillaac.net/somalis-are-the-most-entrepreneurial-people-in-africa-says-african-newspapers/


Bon apetit!

Ohhh import export, mom and pap shops, are you cuz? West Africans are way pass that man. Go to wall street New York, big firms and you will see west Africans. As a matter of fact, Nigerians who are west Africans have been put in the top 8 performing ethnic groups in America. CNN presented the book on it. The same could be said of most other west Africans.
As for Asia, man have ever heard of Africatown in China?
Dont brag about mom and pop stores .

Samaale:
Bantu
-
Somali

I am a Pullo, a Fulani, totally different from Bantu that I love by the way.
Pick up a geography and history book or go on wikipedia, it will help you.

Fulaman198:
Dedirawo,

Not all Somalis are bad though ArtanK and EnlightenedSoul are good examples that's why I don't say anything bad about them. I can't use a few dumb ones to judge an entire group.

I know that you are a good man, but don't allow yourself to be affected by these ignoramuses.

Alright brother, I will stop the generalization.

Somalis are entrepreneurial ROFL,
Nigg.a learn how to farm than we will talk, leaves eater lol

Fulaman198:
ROFLLL I laugh in Fulfulde. The Fulani are well known for their camels in Niger, Nigeria, Burkina Faso, Mali, and even Chad.

Don't compare us to these folks. In all fields, whether it is spreading Islam, political influence, economic influence, numbers, education we surpass them. And that is so by the grace of the ONLY ONE, allah subhanahu wa ta'ala.
Like I said, a monkey would perform better in a math test than he would. These folks are a parasite for anyone that lives next to them. Have you seen the things they just did in Kenya?

Puntite:
There is no grass or trees in somalia we are people from

Because you ate all of the leaves you idio.t. I remember in my environmental engineering class, one of the most embarassing moment I went through was when the teacher mentioned an experiment on more nutritious leaves. Somalia was mentioned. Your folks ate the leaves on their way to the refugee camps.
You should chill. Have some respect for those that felt sorry for you , took you in their country and fed you.

Fulaman198:
In case you didn't notice I'm giving a bit of "Semteende", not even being emotional.

I know for a fact that I'm a very attractive man as we Fulani consider ourselves the most beautiful people in the world. However, I would rather be an ugly man with a big brain than a dumb kid who's probably 17/18 with an ossifying brain

Don't mind him, a monkey would do better in a math test that he would.
No kidding!! Ko mereedjo.

Puntite:
https://www.artvalue.com/photos/auction/0/49/49970/hugo-pieter-1976-south-africa-dayaba-usman-with-the-monkey-c-2865160.jpg

You and ur twin by the bench!
Suffering from ebola aids syphilis

Go back to the refugee back and keep the grass and trees lol.

Puntite:
Monkey is observing us!

The forum is called "nairaland" lol, go back to the refugee camp or keep eating the grass.

Do you know how to make the difference between the son of Somali and other African immigrants for someone that doesn't know? Give them a math test lol. Somalis by their actions show how their IQ is to the level of slowpoke. I bet you guys do not go past 70. Go to American universities, hospitals, engineering firms, you'll see us perform. I wish Kenyans could surround your country with wire electrified with solar power and pull their troops out.

Puntite:
Yo monkey is observing us wow!

Here is a video of brawl between African( they prefer black by the way) Americans and Somali Americans.
You can judge for yourself. The provocative nature of somali will slowly grow untolerated. May God help you. Everywhere you are, you show hatred to people, whether black or white even in America.
One day, some folks will snap and you "gon" learn.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BHM3R6ZRnQU