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Fenrir:
Im not Nigerian, ill do the same to any tribe and I did the same to my Norwegian culture and posted it. 😂 im not bias or illiterate. You see i have this thing called hyperfocus. You have Google and fyi, i was married to Yoruba now married to igbo. And im raising my half Yoruba daughter here. No matter the tribe you can tell all families to jog on, because even federal law agrees you are not traditional people for any tribe at all. Its literally a crime under federal law for any family to make a single demand after the word "no" its called repugnant to natural justice.

If a family demands tradition and the couple say "no"
If the family try to stop a wedding
Thats 7 years in prison.
They must issue a public apology
A fine of 500,000-5,000,000 naira
You are not above the law
You are not above human rights and your whole topic is essentially about removing the human rights from women.

My topic is not removing human rights from women..

I am highlighting the reasons for many women are single this generation…
Everyone has a choice to make, but they should be made to see the truth behind their choices..
Am I forcing anyone to make a choice? No
Am I showing them the reality backed up with data? Yes…
And data has no emotions , sorry!

In fact, I think it’s even doing women a favor as many women are thinking they are suffering some spiritual consequences, bad luck or are undesirable and ending up hating themselves not knowing there’s a general scarcity and delay due to women empowerment scheme, equal career opportunities and equal pay…
For more successful dates to happen, you need more financially stable men in the society … I didn’t create the rule , nature did…

Fenrir:
You admitted....
You just google everything.
And
That struggle to read more than a paragraph and now you are questioning another persons education?

So I would have used typewriter right?

If you go to war, you can use arrows and bows while your enemies use missiles …

Grandpa, this is 2026 and welcome to age of Ai and google… I am backing up my argument with reliable sources available on the internet, and peer reviewed journals … you can do same to prove me wrong

Fenrir:
Do you understand the pork pies and one side bias from the men in this country? This is how you do proper research and it applies to all of you men from all tribes, this is just an example of correct research.

THE TRUTH OF MODERN YORUBA WEDDINGS IN THE MAJORITY (NOT THE TRADITIONAL FANTASY)
For a people that claim to be proud of their history, proud Yoruba, proud of Yoruba culture, it’s strange how the majority seem to fib a lot when wedding talk starts. The main lies in the majority are always these two classics: “we don’t sell our daughters” and “we are humble and respectful people.” Okay. No problem. Let’s test those statements against the real modern pipeline, the one people do in Lagos and everywhere else while shouting “it is culture”.
I’m going to list every step and every payment and every item that gets demanded in the majority if you want to marry their daughter. After you read it, ask yourself two questions. After all this, why can’t such “humble and respectful” people respect another human being and accept NO MEANS NO to prostration? And after collecting millions in items and millions in money while saying “we don’t sell our daughters”, why do they still want a grown man on his stomach on the most important day of his life so they can laugh, point, and scream “beg harder”, sometimes even pushing him down, not caring about his religion, his personal beliefs, or his dignity?
Now tell me, is that humility? Is that respect? Or is it dominance theatre packaged as tradition?
Now the process.
PHASE 0: THE VETTING STAGE (BEFORE ANYTHING OFFICIAL)
This part most lists “forget” completely because it exposes the motive. Before you even reach introduction, many families now do a quiet financial assessment of the groom. They ask the woman questions about his job, his house, his car, his family background. It’s a credit check wearing gele and pretending it’s parental concern. Fail the vetting and magically the introduction date never comes. Culture suddenly has poor network.
PHASE 1: THE PRE-GAME (THE “FRAUD” STAGE)
The Intent: you tell the woman, she tells the gatekeepers.
The Pre-Intro: often a quiet meeting between groom and bride’s parents to test his financial capacity before the public show.
The Introduction: formal family meeting, with “respect”, and increasingly, a “mini-list” just to open the door of the process. Wine, small food items, and cash envelopes start appearing early because modern love must pay tax before it can breathe.
MISSING ITEM: THE PROPOSAL LETTER CASH PIPE
Before the ceremony even begins properly, the groom’s side presents a formal written proposal letter. Then somebody must be paid to READ the letter. Then somebody may be paid to write and deliver acceptance. And while the letter is being read, the reader keeps all money sprayed on them. That is not a rumour anymore, Alagas themselves are online bragging about it. Imagine your future marriage being sponsored by “pay-per-paragraph”.
PHASE 2: THE TOLL-GATE CEREMONY (THE CASH ENVELOPE PIPELINE)
Now the traditional day begins, and the ceremony turns into a toll road. You do not proceed until you pay. Each stage unlocks the next stage. It’s like DLC content in a video game, except your wallet is the controller.
7.1 Owó Ìkànlẹ̀kùn, Entrance/Knocking: ₦10,000 to ₦25,000
Pay to enter. Because love cannot walk in for free.
7.2 Owó Ìjókòó Àgbà, Elders’ Seat: ₦20,000 to ₦50,000
Pay so elders can sit. Gravity is expensive.
7.3 Owó Bàbá Gbó, Father’s Hearing: ₦20,000 to ₦50,000
Pay so father can hear you. Without payment the man is apparently deaf.
7.4 Owó Ìyá Gbó, Mother’s Hearing: ₦20,000 to ₦50,000
Pay so mother can hear too. Two ears, two invoices.
7.5 Owó Lẹ́tà Kíkà, Letter Reading: ₦5,000 to ₦15,000
Pay for the reading. Literacy is monetised.
7.6 Owó Ìṣígbẹ̀, Gift Inspection: ₦10,000 to ₦30,000
Pay before they open what you brought. Your gifts need a paid subscription to be seen.
7.7 Owó Ìpè Ìyàwó, Calling the Bride: ₦20,000 to ₦100,000
Pay to call the bride. She’s in the next room, but apparently she’s in Dubai until you pay.
7.8 Owó Ìṣíjú Ìyàwó, Unveiling the Face: ₦10,000 to ₦30,000
Pay to see your own bride. Face reveal is premium tier.
7.9 Owó Ọmọ-Osù / Ọmọ Ilé, Compound Women: ₦20,000 to ₦50,000
Pay the women of the compound. Community levy.
7.10 Owó Abúrò Ìyàwó, Younger Siblings: ₦10,000 to ₦25,000
Pay the younger ones. Even the small ones must eat from your pocket.
7.11 Owó Ìtẹ́lẹ̀, The Floor/Alaga’s Fee: ₦20,000 to ₦50,000
Pay the floor. Yes. The floor. The ground has become a landlord.
7.12 Owo Ori, The Official Bride Price: ₦5,000 symbolic
And here’s the comedy. After you’ve paid all the real money, the “official” bride price is ₦5,000 symbolic. Then they’ll look you in the eye and say “we don’t sell our daughters.” Oga, who is this performance for?
Now the “missing” tolls people always pretend don’t exist:
MISSING: Owo Aso Iyawo, Bride’s Flight Outfit Fee
The Alaga says the bride has been “travelling” and can’t arrive in her “flight clothes”, so you must pay for her arrival outfit. This is theatre. She is in the next room. But the joke still requires real cash. Nigeria is the only place where comedy is billed.
MISSING: Transportation Fare for the Bride
You pay a fee for her “transportation” from where she has been “waiting”. Again, scripted. Again, cash leaves your pocket.
MISSING: Children of the Compound Fee
Separate from Omo Ile. A collection for young kids. Small individually, big collectively, often collected by the Alaga who may or may not distribute it. You paid for “children” you did not create yet. Pre-order parenting.
MISSING: Owo Idobale, The Prostration Tax
Now we reach the part that exposes everything. The groom prostrates four times. Each prostration moment can trigger additional cash demands. Some Alagas treat each prostration as a separate billable event. So not only must you go on your stomach, you may also have to pay per stomach-drop. This is why people call it humiliation, not humility.
Modern Cash Additions:
Owó Alaga, The Compere Tax: ₦50,000 to ₦150,000 total
Because the program cannot “move” unless the Alaga is fed cash like fuel.
Owó Ìbòmbo, The Upbringing Fee: ₦50,000 to ₦200,000
A specific charge for “training the girl.” So raising your own child has now become a billable service payable by a stranger. Interesting business model.
Travel/Logistics Fee
If the family travelled from village, groom is billed hotel and transport. So you are sponsoring their movement to come and collect what you already brought. Efficient.
MISSING: Aso-Ebi Obligation: ₦50,000 to ₦200,000 for groom’s delegation alone
Not on many lists but functionally mandatory. Matching fabric at inflated prices chosen by bride’s family. Don’t buy it and you’re treated like rubbish. So it is “optional” the way breathing is optional.
MISSING: Engagement Cake
Now treated as compulsory in many ceremonies. An actual commissioned cake paid by groom’s side. Because love must be eaten in layers.
MISSING: Live Band or DJ: ₦100,000 to ₦500,000
You may be expected to fund entertainment or contribute heavily. So you pay to be mocked with better audio quality.
PHASE 3: ERU IYAWO, THE MATERIAL LIST
8.1 42 Big Tubers of Yam: ₦120,000 to ₦200,000
8.2 1 Full Bag of Rice (50kg): ₦85,000 to ₦105,000
8.3 1 Bag of Salt and 1 Bag of Sugar: ₦50,000 to ₦70,000
8.4 25L Veg Oil and 25L Palm Oil: ₦60,000 to ₦90,000
8.5 1 Live She-Goat: ₦60,000 to ₦100,000
8.6 Bulk Drinks (Malt, Soft Drinks, Water): ₦100,000 to ₦200,000
8.7 Apo Idiwo (lace, aso-oke, jewelry): ₦300,000 to ₦1,000,000+
Now the “missing” symbolic items most lists quietly pretend are negotiable:
Kola Nuts, Obi (obi abata, obi orogbo) + alligator pepper, atare
Honey, Oyin
Palm Wine, Emu
Schnapps / Orogbo Oti
Adire fabric
Bembe hand fan
Fruits, full basket
Aadun
Possibly a cow in some families to fund cooking for guests, meaning groom funds the food for the reception he is attending as a guest.
Modern Material Additions
Luxury perfume set (Tom Ford/Creed level)
Holy book and ring (Bible/Quran + 14k to 18k gold ring)
Designer umbrella
Eru Iyawo wrapping fee: ₦50,000+ just to arrange items with ribbons
PHASE 4: THE MODERN LIFESTYLE TECH LIST
9.1 Double-Door Refrigerator/Freezer: ₦450,000 to ₦850,000
9.2 4-Burner Gas Cooker with Oven: ₦150,000 to ₦350,000
9.3 Smart TV 42 to 55 inch: ₦200,000 to ₦450,000
9.4 Electric Yam Pounding Machine: ₦70,000 to ₦150,000
9.5 Generator 2.5KVA to 5KVA: ₦350,000 to ₦700,000
9.6 Microwave and High-Speed Blender: ₦80,000 to ₦150,000
9.7 Industrial Standing Fans (2 units): ₦100,000 to ₦180,000
2026 tech extras:
Inverter/Solar battery system: ₦400,000 to ₦900,000
Latest iPhone/iPad for the bride personally
Wristwatches for bride and sometimes parents
So now we’ve moved from “culture” to “home upgrade package.” That’s fine. Just say that. Don’t call it humility.
PHASE 5: PERFORMANCE OBLIGATIONS (NON-CASH BUT NON-OPTIONAL)
Now we reach the point where the “we are humble and respectful” claim dies in public.
Full idobale prostration, chest to the floor, four separate times, regardless of floor condition. Dirty, wet, tiled, sand, doesn’t matter. Groom’s friends also prostrate. Begging performance is scripted and public. Alaga openly mocks the groom’s delegation and they must smile. Groom must lift the bride to prove physical strength. Groom must “beg properly” to Alaga Ijoko satisfaction or the program stalls.
And here is the key contradiction:
After you collect all these items.
After you collect all these envelopes.
After you collect all this tech.
After you collect all these extras.
The groom still cannot say: “No, I will not prostrate.”
No means no, unless Yoruba wedding, then no means “beg harder and pay again.”
So again, question: is that humble? Is that respectful? Or is it just people enjoying power over someone they know cannot react because the entire crowd is watching?
PHASE 6: POST-WEDDING OBLIGATIONS (THE PART NEVER WRITTEN)
Almost never on any list. Rarely discussed openly. Commonly expected in the majority.
The groom becomes financially accessible to extended family. Birthdays, funerals, illnesses, school fees, repairs. Not written. Enforced through the wife. “Your family is my family now” often travels one direction financially. The bride’s family retains the right to interfere, advise, and criticise indefinitely. Push back and you’re told you “don’t respect” them.
And there it is.
Now read this entire pipeline again and answer the two questions honestly.
After collecting millions in cash and goods while insisting “we don’t sell our daughters”, why do the same people demand prostration and begging theatre, sometimes with physical pushing, ignoring a man’s religion or personal beliefs?
And how can a culture claim humility while refusing to accept a boundary as basic as “I will not lie on my stomach”?
If you want tradition, fine. Do tradition.
But stop the selective memory.
You don’t get to modernise the list into a procurement contract, monetise every stage like a toll road, then turn around and scream “respect” when a man refuses humiliation.
Respect cannot be one-directional.
Humility cannot demand humiliation.
And “we don’t sell our daughters” cannot survive in the same room as twelve separate permission fees plus appliances plus solar plus iPhone plus band plus cake plus aso-ebi plus prostration tax.
If you still want to defend it, defend it honestly.
Say: “Yes, we charge heavily. Yes, we like the theatre. Yes, we want prostration. Yes, we want the man to beg. Yes, we monetise the stages.”
That would be honest.
But don’t sell the world a fairy tale and call the buyer evil for reading the invoice.

If they tell me say you dey smoke igboo, I won’t doubt it…. Oga, wetin concern Yoruba wedding with this one fa? Is this how dem dey do for Norway? lol, this guy funny oo

Fenrir:
Listen, china, I appreciate you clearin’ that up, genuinely. But you’ve spent this entire little chinwag invokin’ "peer reviewed research" like a man knee deep in the British Library, only to confirm your actual method is typin' a sentence into Google and not diggin' too deep. Your words, mate. Not mine.
​That ain’t research, is it? That’s just havin' a little browse.
​If your evidentiary standard is whatever pops up on the first page of the search results, then you weren’t presentin’ data. You were just presentin’ whatever the algorithm served you up with your afternoon cuppa.
​Now, this population control angle that’s where it really gives the game away, innit? You’re callin’ women’s education a "scheme" because fertility drops when they get a bit of economic autonomy. But that outcome is consistent across every industrialised manor on the map, regardless of ideology. When infant mortality drops, when contraception is easy to come by, and when women can earn their own crust, birth rates go down. That’s demographic transition theory, mate. It’s not a secret cabal meetin’ in a back room; it’s basic development economics.
​A "scheme" implies somethin’ forced on 'em. "Autonomy" means somethin’ chosen by 'em. Those two are opposites, plain as the nose on your face. The fact you treat ‘em like they’re interchangeable says more about your framework than mine, you absolute merchant.
​And let’s be surgical here, yeah? Correlation: female education rises, fertility falls. True. Causation: women’s empowerment is responsible for marriage decline. Now, that leap requires a bit of proper legwork isolatin’ variables, controllin’ for urbanisation, the bleedin’ cost of livin’, labour markets, house prices, and male income stagnation. You haven’t done a lick of that. You just typed a sentence into Google and called it a day.
​So the scoreboard isn’t personal, it’s methodological. You didn’t read the other side, you didn't control for variables, and you reframed freedom as a conspiracy. Then you have the brass neck to call that "data."
​That’s not peer review, mate. That’s just confirmation bias with Wi-Fi. You're 'avin' a bubble.

Bros I believe you understand English?

And you should at least be educated…

What I shared was just a screenshot of an attempt to just google search it… I never said that was a peer review…
Don’t you have access to international journals to do your search?

I already shared some in this thread, Well check out some more below - and I’d appreciate if you can respond to the arguments backing it up with data and reputable sources

https://pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC8215231/

Fenrir:
Appreciated. But claiming it’s "largely responsible" is a causal statement your data doesn’t support. Correlation identifies contributing factors, you picked one. That’s not analysis, that’s preference masquerading as conclusion.

It is actually…

You can check out the most contributing factors that led to this…

Women empowerment scheme is by far a contributor

In fact, it’s a scheme that has proven to be the most effective to control population
And the reason is because once women chase advanced degrees and careers, they have less focus on marriage and child birth

I just typed this on google and see the result it brought out without even digging too deep

As the screenshot captures, women empowerment and economic opportunities for women is a long term strategy and that’s why our generation is beginning to see results of strategies that started some years back

Fenrir:
Cheers for that, mate, genuinely. You’ve just admitted in front of the whole manor that you didn’t even bother to have a butcher's at the text, then you’ve got the brass neck to tell me I’m not using data properly. It’s a bit like some muppet falling asleep on the table during surgery and waking up to tell the doctor he’s holding the scalpel like a total amateur. It’s all a bit tiresome, really. You didn’t argue a single thing, fella, you just did all my work for me while I sat here bored out of my mind. Go ahead and cherry-pick your numbers until you're blue in the face, but the forest is still there and your thesis is sitting right in the middle of it like a drowned rat wondering how it got sopping wet. The rope was always yours, mate. I just watched you find it, tie the knot, and completely ignore the bloody instructions like a right doughnut.

A man arguing that women should prioritise finding a husband over getting a PhD just accidentally revealed you struggle with long text on an internet forum. Not a thesis. Not academic literature. A Nairaland post.

Hi mate, I’m sorry if I have it appears I argued that women should prioritize finding a biological mate over career…
My intention of this post is to point out one of the causes of late marriages and many single people over 30 in this generation… and I backed up my claims with data and peer reviewed researches..

You have the data, it’s left to you to do whatever you choose to do with it… but data is data and it the reality is there that women empowerment scheme is largely responsible for low marriages and fertility rates

Fenrir:
Hypergamy isn't just a female trait, and I wish people would stop telling pork pies about it. Men are hypergamous too, fella, we just measure the stakes differently. Women historically selected up on resources and security fair play to 'em. But men? We select up on youth, fertility signals, and sexual availability. It's both hypergamy, innit, just tradin' in different currencies.
If any Nigerian man had the bottle to marry the nymphomaniac daughter of a bank owner, you know damn well he's saying "I do" before she's even finished the bleedin' sentence. The bank account handles his status hypergamy and the nymphomania handles his biological hypergamy in one go. He'd be on the dog and bone to his pastor for a blessing while she's still introducin' herself.
So when you try and pitch hypergamy as an exclusively female biological trait to prop up your argument, you've just accidentally admitted that male mate selection is equally biological, equally non negotiable, and equally inconvenient for your little thesis. Men don't escape biology either, mate. We're just hypergamous about different things, so stop acting like you've got the moral high ground when you're just as deep in the muck, grinning like a clueless muppet.

lol MATTEEee

I found it difficult to read this your long stuffs MATTTEEE. Hahahah

Mate, do you have the simplest understanding of what they call DATA and Statistics.??

You can be speaking so much and yet saying nothing…

Statistics deals with mean, median, mode, etc… and we know there are exceptions …lol mate, talk with facts and data and stop crying all over my thread… MATEEEE !

Blord will have to beg las las

He started by naming an app after vdm’s trademarked name , used his picture for billboard and false advertising…
Guy is cooked !

Someone that should’ve been arrested for death threats

Bendeco02:
One fair guy did the work

I no wan hear say pikin use yellow skin resemble one aunty for Kaduna…
If pikin no resemble me, problem don start

Chai! I’m sure this guy probably knelt down proposing … it is well

African man kneeling down to propose…

TEYA:
Some people actually voted Davido, wizkid and burna boy over Wole Soyinka. I regret participating in this silly poll!

They are famous make we no lie…

Entertainment is fame..

Check their Instagram followers alone

For example, Ronaldo / Messi are currently the most famous Humans on earth

They are by far more famous than even Nelson Mandela and Trump combined

cassidy1996:
I beg remove those 3 big boys from there

They are currently one of the most famous Nigerians we have

No joke…

Merry100:
You have laid out the biological differences very clearly.

Women don't have to wait until menopause to make reproductive decisions; options like egg freezing are available. Menopause usually even occurs around 50, and many women marry before then.

On another note, since the world needs more babies now since birth rate is declining
See this Chinese man ready to start paying PhD students 7k dollars for every baby they make

What do you think? If they start paying educated women for having babies, maybe people would get married faster and make more babies


https://www.johnathanbi.com/p/the-chinese-billionaire-paying-people-427

Merry100:
This is biology, not opinion. These findings come from multiple studies showing that fertility is a shared issue. Fertility is not just about producing babies; it is about producing healthy babies.

Older fathers are one of the biological factors that increase the risk of children being born with significant genetic or developmental challenges that affect their lives. Older men in their 60s or 70s, often have weaker sperm, which increases the risk of miscarriage, genetic abnormalities, and conditions such as autism, schizophrenia, and other congenital disorders.

In the past, women were unfairly blamed for fertility complications, but recent research makes it clear that sperm quality is a major factor. Male age significantly affects pregnancy outcomes and child health, just as female age does.

Women:
30-34: ~10-15% decline in fertility potential
Men:

35–39: ~10-15% reduction in sperm quality

Men and women in their 30s are generally very fit to have healthy pregnancies. Only a small percentage experience fertility-related complications, and healthy pregnancies are very common.

First I appreciate your mature and intelligent engagement on this, you have been calm and addressing the issues…

You’re right that male age affects sperm quality and can increase certain risks. No serious person will deny that. But the biological difference is that sperm production continues throughout a man’s life, while egg supply is fixed and eventually ends permanently at menopause.

Like I said, a man at 60 or even 70 can still reproduce naturally. But a woman at that same age cannot, regardless of health. Sperm quality may reduce gradually, but female fertility has a biological endpoint that male fertility does not. And this is why female age remains the most importtant predictor of natural fertility outcomes in reproductive medicine.

I believe acknowledging both realities gives the most honest and complete picture.

Merry100:
Social and cultural norms influenced marriage age patterns. Historically, men were expected to be older than their wives due to financial stability and inheritance norms, which reinforced the trend of men marrying younger women.

Many stereotypes about fertility and older wives are rooted in ignorance and outdated beliefs, rather than biological necessity. Recent research shows that fertility is a shared issue, with age affecting both men and women. Even a healthy 20 year old woman could face challenges if her husband is 40 or older, because male age can impact sperm quality and pregnancy outcomes.

In modern, urban, highly educated, and egalitarian societies, the age gap in marriage has shrunk and continues to shrink. For example, in Sweden and Norway, up to 20% of marriages feature wives older than their husbands.

Globally, about 60-75% of marriages have the husband older, 10–20% are about the same age, and 15-25% have the wife older.

In high-income Western countries, husband older marriages are 55-65%, with wife older marriages around 20-30%.

In regions like South Asia and Sub-Saharan Africa, husband-older marriages are more common (75-90%), while wife older marriages are usually under 10-15%.

Men marrying women older than them is far from rare especially in enlightened environments.

Regarding your recent research

Let’s be realistic and stick to biology, not emotions.

A man at 60 or even 70 can still father a child. It has happened many times. But a woman at 60 or 70 cannot naturally give birth. Once menopause happens, that door is permanently closed.

The reason is simple. Women are born with fixed eggs that decline sharply and eventually finish. Men produce new sperm throughout life. Sperm quality may reduce gradually, but it does not suddenly stop like female fertility.

So yes, male age affects fertility, but it is gradual and not an absolute biological shutdown. Female fertility decline is sharp, irreversible, and final.

This is why female age is the number one predictor of fertility in medicine worldwide.

This is not opinion. This is biology.

the dummies in our society are already doing that

lavylilly:
1. When a colony becomes overcrowded, the queen leaves with thousands of worker bees to form a new colony. This is called swarming.
During this process:
Bees temporarily gather on any surface nearby — tree branches, walls, cars, buses.
They rest there while scout bees search for a permanent hive location.
The cluster can stay for minutes or several hours.
👉 A parked or slow-moving commercial bus would be a perfect temporary landing spot.


2. The Bus Had a Strong Smell That Attracted Them
Bees are highly sensitive to scent. They can be attracted by:
- Sweet drinks spilled inside (Fanta, Coke, malt)
- Perfumes or body sprays
- Food residue
- Honey-like smells
- Bright floral designs on the bus
In busy areas like Lagos Island, buses often carry all kinds of scents.

In short, A migrating colony temporarily resting — not an attack.

Something about supernatural phenomenon, it would always have a natural process to explain it…

I am not saying you aren’t correct but if you study the laws of this earth and your ancestors, you will know they can invoke things beyond the physical you have always known..
There’s a reason the world billionaires and western leaders were doing some occultic stuffs - Epstein file

If supernatural forces want are on attack on someone, the person that day would make wrong decisions, face unfortunate events that would be explained with natural theories lol
Same way if the right energy locate someone, the coincidences would look like the person was just lucky

Omihanifa:
All these nurtw boys are very fetish. No type of arrow way dem no dey fire to each other.

The funny thing is that the owner of this bus too will soon fire his own arrows back. I won't be surprised if snakes are later found in some buses

lol
Arrow for Arrow

CHIEFCHICKEN:
I don't really see what the issue is here. So far women are being empowered and not taught how the value the power brings should functions. It's entirely up to them to decide.

Women gaining much higher employability skills and filling roles men used to handle is a welcome development. Now let them function and carry the responsibilities men used to shoulder.

Perhaps there would be a balance

I’m only pointing out the data and reason why this is happening…. Not classifying it as an issue, but the truth could be bitter.
Every thing has its advantages and drawbacks, as the society tries to correct one thing, it’s causing an imbalance in the other side…
It won’t be an issue if only everyone is okay being single and the society normalizes people staying unmarried…unfortunately, there are a whole lot of the so called independent women weeping every night and going for therapy.
Hallelujah challenge will soon start and we see them dressing like their miracles…
The church keeps exploding with single ladies looking for that successful God fearing single man ..
On social media and paper, we see people celebrating singleness and being independent , but reality is different, biology no be anybody mate!

@Merry100
More data to prove my point, like I said, it’s not about emotions but reality

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2020/01/03/globally-women-are-younger-than-their-male-partners-more-likely-to-age-alone/

Merry100:
Although I enjoy sharing experiences, there are certain limits to what I share about my family. I value the privacy of the people around me, and I don't believe giving too many personal details is necessary to make a broader point.

That said, I do know women who are higher in rank or status than their husbands. For example, I have an aunt in the force who outranks her husband; they even met through work. Situations like that exist more than people assume; they are just not always loud or stereotypical, especially when the relationship is healthy and balanced.

As for me, my choices are based on personality and compatibility, not status or age. I have dated men who were not at the same level as I was at the time. I have even supported a guy I was dating financially when he needed my assistance.

I have younger male friends and have dated younger men. It is just that I don't enter relationships casually so I avoid dating a lot. I tend to even maintain more friendships than relationships because I'm not good at breaking up. If I don't see genuine long-term potential, I prefer to keep things at the level of friendship rather than venture into dating.

I understand your point…

Maybe you don’t understand my question… I’m speaking in terms of numbers- data.. Data has no emotions and it deals with reality… and this isn’t even my theory but based on peer reviewed research. You can do your search…

I am sure you know what they call a normal distribution…
There would be few situations that will fall at two ends of the distribution but the normal distribution would always have majority falling in place with the data…

I am not disputing the fact that there are exceptions, but the majority will always carry the vote… and that’s my point…The more a woman rises and grow older, the fewer the chances she has with men and that’s why there are so many single women in their 30s unlike before.

Imagine if women only chase Undergraduates degree and stop there to focus on family, and if men earn higher than women, there would be much more successful dates leading to families and more married people.
I didn’t create the rule, I am only pointing out what’s the reality and my claim is not a theory but backed with data and peer reviewed research

Check below :

https://ourworldindata.org/global-decline-fertility-rate



https://www.bgsu.edu/ncfmr/resources/data/family-profiles/brown-manning-nonmarriage-college-educated-adults-2005-2019-fp-22-02.html

9japride:
At the end it's the masses that will fill the pains of bad governance. Peter Obi is already a billionaire, nothing concern him with bad governance.
He mingles with the big boys if anyone of them have an occasion.

Hello sir, I am not saying you may be wrong or right..
But who said once Peter obi wins election, then all Nigerian problems are solved. ? Do you really believe that Peter obi is the almighty savior with a magic wand and if not him then nothing can rescue Nigeria?

narite:
The stories in the Bible do not mean exactly what they depicted. This stories are just illustrations, sayings, that are actually unraveling something far deeper.

It just like your native’s folklore, we all know animals cannot talk but the old ones are trying to teach you something complex in a very simple terms, describing animals as if they were humans.

Don’t take the Bible’s stories the way you read it, they are stories unraveling something far more. The humans mentioned (Adam, Eve etc), objects mentioned, are just symbols representing something else.

I TELL YOU, the Bible is the greatest book ever written, it is a cheat code to life.

I think it would be better to enlighten me on what message the story of Tower of Babel was passing?

Or Noah’s ark?
I am interested

FitCorper:
Every Christian reading this, don’t argue religion with anyone, try make your words be few from now henceforth preferably “yes” and “no”, lest ye fall into temptation.
God in His infinite wisdom blessed sex within marriage but outside of marriage it causes setback only if the girl doesn’t truly desire you as much or even more than you do her.
Ourtruth I want to see how you can truthfully stay away from ejaculating after you’ve tasted it 😁. I had no issues with you until you drag Jesus enter your so called exposition. In Christ we wrestle not against flesh and blood, but principalities and powers of diverse kind.
Be a proud Christian it rocks.

You said don’t argue, who are you to determine that?
Something about facts vs lie is that lie is always afraid to be challenged and questioned… the moment a lie sense scrutiny, it begins to console itself with words like “don’t argue, don’t debate, just ignore “
That’s a psychological play to avoid being questioned

One thing about the truth, “The truth is never ever afraid of being challenged “

And again, let me say it again.. Jesus is a scam..
How you an African black man think the whites love you so much, people who came to colonize you, torture you, steal from you and never in history regarded you as a human being will suddenly love you so much to give you Jesus to save you and take you to heaven to meet them is beyond words!
I think this generation of black Africans are the dummmest set of dummmies to ever exist in the universe. You are all so dummm , like so super dummm

narite:
The stories in the Bible do not mean exactly what they depicted. This stories are just illustrations, sayings, that are actually unraveling something far deeper.

It just like your native’s folklore, we all know animals cannot talk but the old ones are trying to teach you something complex in a very simple terms, describing animals as if they were humans.

Don’t take the Bible’s stories the way you read it, they are stories unraveling something far more. The humans mentioned (Adam, Eve etc), objects mentioned, are just symbols representing something else.

I TELL YOU, the Bible is the greatest book ever written, it is a cheat code to life.

Saying the bible is the greatest book ever written is a lie you tell yourselves to make yourself feel special… because that’s a lie.
The bible serves no single purpose other than make Christians happy and give them hope.

Tell me what has ever been invented using the knowledge of the bible

If bible is the greatest book ever written, then why can’t you find the cure to human disease, slavery, poverty, war?

And please, if you say the Adam and Eve stories, tower of babels are folklore, then that means we are on the same page…. So we should agree the bible is one of the most popular folklore book ever that even fooled adults

Bwilliam:
May your tongue wither and your mouth dry up.
Your words are hollow and I come against the spirit of that altar you're speaking from, in the name of Jesus Christ.

In the story of Jepthah that you are so quick to point you, did the True God ever demand for Jepthah to sacrifice his daughter? or was it Jepthah out of his own overzealousness that made a vow to offer whatever comes out of his house as a burnt offering. He was probably expecting domestic animals to come out first.
The Bible never potray this event in a good light nor does it affirm his actions, it only tells this story to make us understand how serious a vow unto the True God is and how we should be careful with the vows wr make.

Quote me right, I said that "... God did not choose a racial group but a pure lineage...." I never called the whole race pure, but a lineage in within that race. Neither did I say that all other races are 'inferior"
Go and study the genealogy of the Christ.

If you were more informed, you'll know who the spiritual progenitor of the African race is and you'll know that you can actual trace your lineage to one of the patriarchs mentioned in the Bible.

As for you being a Yoruba, yes you were not chosen. DEAL WITH IT, just like the Ishmaelites of today have to deal with it.

First of all, for trying to throw curses around when I did you nothing… may the gods of our ancestors turn their back against you and make the cells in your b3ain wither till nothing remains up there except dusts


Secondly, why can’t your loving bible god reject the sacfrice of jephtah like he did for Abraham ? Oh he kept quiet till they offered a virgin daughter for him to feed on? So he can’t talk ba? So someone makes a vow to offer his virgin daughter and he took it because he does not want to break a vow? lol, just listen to what you said, does that make any sense?

And again, you are in zero position to determine my identity for me… you can claim to be a slave, an unchosen child… that’s left to you but the world doesn’t revolve around your bible…

Lastly, if you can prove that African race came from bible roday, I will deactivate this my account and you will see me no more here, but before that, I’d send you 2k dollars to any account of your choice….

Merry100:
When a man and a woman reach a stage of comfort, they won't want to jeopardize that comfort for anything. Some might even decide not to get married.

Money does not have a face or character. Those you see pursuing men with money or status are often average women looking for elevation, or women who are used to being sponsored by a man and want an even more successful man to take over that role.

Many successful women simply need a good man who will treat them right, regardless of their status; not a man who will turn their peaceful, queen-like life into a problematic one.

Many of them can easily date average men who are doing reasonably well on their own. It is men who are still struggling for survival that they mostly avoid, because many of those men are very insecure and create unnecessary problems.

Younger men, just like divorced men and older men (more than 20 years older), tend to be more predictable. They are often very good at caring for a woman. It is not just about money; they give women the respect they deserve.

Young men who date women not more than seven years older than themselves tend to be very caring because they are genuinely interested in the woman. Similarly, divorced men tend to be overly caring because they do not want what happened in their previous relationship to repeat itself, and older men (more than 20 years older) tend to be naturally generous and caring.

Life is not black and white. If a woman finds peace of mind and happiness with a man, regardless of his status, she will prefer him.

Who does not like peace of mind? And who, in their right senses, would choose problems when there is a choice? Many Nigerian women married problematic men because they felt they had no choice; some did it for survival.

Money can always be earned, and it moves from hand to hand. With great potential and good business ideas, two people can work together to reach even the greatest heights.
Many couples fail to achieve greatness together because they see each other as rivals. I have seen many foolish couples who, instead of building together and competing against the world, compete against themselves.

Don’t you think you are having an avoidant issue?

I asked a simple question of numbers …

We all know there are few exceptions but the question is how many occurrences of such do you see a woman marrying downward? Compared to the norm where women marry mostly upward.?

And let’s start wit you, your sisters and your friends, lol, which of you married/dated or currently dating someone younger and lower in status than you are?
This is a very simple question and let’s stop wasting each others time with unnecessary epistlesZ

He is a terrorist

I wonder why he’s walking free

narite:
On a serious note, life is more complex than what the OP is trying to lay out for us. No one alone can see the complete picture of reality. You can only grab just a very small, minute, tiny part. This is true for me, for you, and for everyone.


It's like having 20 ants staying on your body; each ant will see a different part of you. If care isn't taken, each ant might begin to pass what they see as the everything that is to see (due to their own limitations, physical or mental).

Note that each ant sees something, but what they each see is not everything, and they all see different things. I say it again: no ant can see the whole you because it's just too tiny, physically or mentally, to see the whole you. So the one standing on your finger sees your finger and goes on arguing, describing your existence and how you are, based on how the finger is. So it goes for every other ant.


If all were to give a description of you, these ants might begin to fight each other, wondering if the other ants were really on top of you.

This is how humans are: they think they have the greatest mind and can grasp everything or has finally grasp everything. Humans are yet to grasp 0.1% of the universe, yet with the so little information they have acquired along with their limitations, they still think the information they have is accurate. No wonder the passage of time always humbles us, showing us that what we use to believed to be true is not really true, and this won't stop now.


Christianity, Science, Judaism, Sango, Amadioha, and the OP dogmas etc., aren't lies; these are just fragments of reality that some people were able to see but tried to pass on as what the whole reality was built on.

I agree with everything apart from saying Christinity isn’t a lie

Sorry, Christianity is a lie….
Bible stories are majorly lies… there’s no way you can sugar coat it.

Bible story of Adam’ and Eve, Noah’s ark, and other myths and rubbish written together…
We are not descendants of Noah and Tower of Babel isn’t true.. apart from the fabricated stories… the stories are too horrible…
How can bible god be the god of the universe… imagine bible god so obsessed with worship and killing everyone including children and babies

Merry100:
I know many relationships where the wife is older, but you would never know unless someone told you because they don't act like it. The wife being older than the husband is not common but it is not just often exposed to the public.

Though, my guy is more successful and wealthier than I am, I am actually more skeptical about dating a wealthy man than an average man. I only agree to date someone more successful after careful scrutiny. I even prefer to build with my partner.

I know there are relationships where women are older

My point is this, they are generally fewer than men being older

And not just about age. I’m talking about career, money and status… how many people do you see going to marry a man younger, and lower in status…?
A man can be younger yet higher in status