A001:

So, Haaland, one of the top 5 strikers in the world and one of the top 2 most valuable players in the world, is not an elite striker but Kane is. Tell me another joke.

Are we debating elite strikers or aspect of halland game?

A001:

Who are these elite number 9s and how are old are they? How old is Haaland?

Guy are you sure you read my reply to nateev.

Lewandowski, Kane, Suarez, benzema they might be older but right from their young years they've shown those qualities, it might not be as good as they are now but definitely better than what halland is showing now.

Mbappe as a case study right from his first game as a Monaco player he has shown those qualities we all applaud him for now.
He got better but he showed them aplenty then.

A001:

No, it doesn't. Haaland is the highest scorer in the best league in the world in his first season at age 22.

He has developed his goal-scoring skills to near perfection and that alone can make him win the Balon D'or if he continues at this level even without developing his other aspects of the game.

Even so, his young age gives him time to develop on other aspects. He's a potential world's best player award winner.

If Man City wins the UCL with Haaland making key contribution, he has a good shot at winning the prestigious award.

This is another topic entirely.
Winning the ballon dor is not the discussion.

Kaka is a ballon dor winner but behind iniesta, Xavi in midfield hall of Fame.

Cannavaro is a world best player but behind maldini baresi in defence hall of Fame.

The situation and circumstances to win ballon dor is kind of complicated.

But since you agree their some aspect of his game that is not up to par with the elite number 9 then we are cool.

Wether he will develop it or not is for another day.

Eazzii:
Ova200

I'm not going to answer for what another moniker type word for word please.

You can read my first post about this where I clearly stated outside his goals which got some people mad.

And I'm defending what I said with my full chest.

A001:

Just see your takes. Halland is just 22 and you're comparing him with much older and more experienced players like Benzema, Harry Kane who have developed many aspects of their game over the years.

Who told you those strikers had all the aspects of their game you see today developed at that top level when at Haaland's age?

All these funny takes on this thread just like the one with the brain and ball problem.

Good angle.

But please read my reply to nateev I think it answer this.

nateevs:


Halland at 22 has managed to nearly perfect the art of goal scoring. On to of this, he's doing it on a regular in the best league in the world. That's a feat that is extremely rare in football.

Most top-tier strikers don't reach this scary level until their mid twenties.

At 22, every other skill can still be learnt and added to the package.

Good.
I like people that can contribute intelligently not those loud-mouthed empty drums.

Halland is phenomenal goal scorer and it's scary what he is doing at his age.
It's good you agree their some other aspect of his game he needs to develop.

Most top strikers today don't reach this level at 22 truly but they showed sign early on.
Lewandowski has been slick with his close control, powerful shot with both legs, good passing range, dribbling, press resistance right from the first moment I set my eyes on him in 2012. Not at today's level but it's glaring then; Same with benzema, Suarez, mbappe etc.

IF he can develop other aspect then he will be in tier above his peers but if he can't then it will lower his peak ceiling.

People are getting this so wrong.

You should endeavors to know the genesis of a discussion before rushing to enter.

Nobody said Halland is struggling at city.

Someone raise the point that without his goals he offer nothing to city and that affect their offerall play.
Which is true.

So that makes some people ask for a strikers role aside scoring.

So to clarify:
Goals are the primary duty of a striker.
So from that statement then their is secondary roles of a striker as well.
If a striker is good in only scoring and lack considerably in other aspect then without his goal he will useless and can only play in some system or team e.g lukaku.

But if a striker is lacking at his primary role and very good at his secondary roles then it at best he convert back to another role because he won't achieve much and will also hinder the team.

But the best type of strikers are the ones that are good at the primary duties and still good or above average at their secondary roles because they fit into any system or teams. e.g lewandowski Kane Suarez etc.

This is the factors that differentiate average, good and phenomenal strikers.

Shalom.

Borntosmoke:


Is it only goal that halland use to score?? What of pressing??

Good we are getting somewhere.

At least you agree that after goals their something else a striker should do.

Halland pressing is good but not top level yet.

CrystalTiger:


So to summarize your point Sir, if you were to be a manager you'll prefer Firmino to Haaland as your top 9?

Firmino is mid at best.

But I will prefer Harry Kane, benzema or lewandowski in my team ahead of halland, lukaku, Ibrahimovic.

Eazzii:
Oga ova200 is Haaland struggling?
(Simple yes or no.)

Try to understand or go back and follow the Convo from the beginning.

The phrase that folks are prying on is outside goals halland offer city nothing hence the reason city is struggling this season compare to the previous years.

Halland is poacher and without service they tend to suffer but their some striker can build up play with team like benzema, lewandowski Kane etc.

Halland with his goals will be useless but those three up there without goals will be useful.

Ellexy:
The contribution to the winning is the key point here not subjective rankings. Some might have more goals than others, more assists, more chances created, more defensive tackles, more skills, more dribbles etc. It's all for one purpose and that is winning.

Bro you are spinning this thing now.

You said outside goal nothing matter for football again because goals give win.
And I tell you their is a lot football offers outside goals.

Now you are mentioning chance created, more skill, more dribble, more tackles remember all this can happen in a match and their will still be no goal.

Stick to goals is all football get to offer mantra no amala turning.
You can have goal and still not win.

This is so easy to see and you are only trying to be smart by half.

Ellexy:
What all these players you mentioned did on the field of play is to make sure there teams won either by scoring, assisting and helping there teams win in the biggest stage. They all are winners and that all that matters. WINNING

I know they're winners but their contribution to the winning is different.

So please rank them according to their greatness in your book.

Borntosmoke:


I want you ask one question, what is the work of a striker??

I will answer your question with a question.

Is goal the only work of a striker?

Ellexy:
I'm saying remove goals from football and football is dead fullstop. All the long epistle ko necestri

Okay

If I may ask you between frank lampard, Zidane, Iniesta, Xavi and Paul scholes who is your greatest Midfielder?

Answer the question and put an end to the debate.

popizaino:

The funniest part is he can't handle havertz. 10 in intelligent conversation.

Havertz.10 go smoke him even if baba is right.

popizaino:





Like you really know him well.

I know him too well.

Baba no get anything upstairs.

timbros:


Apart from the goals, what do you want from him? Clean sheets?

First, have you taken the correction?
If yes acknowledge it.

About your question:
Rank this strikers according to your football knowledge;
Drogba
Henry
Lukaku
Rooney
Ibrahimovic
Lewandowski
Suarez
Benzema.

I believe that will answer your question.

Ellexy:
The most important thing about football is winning and without goals you can't win. It doesn't matter what you do in football, it's useless if you can't turn it to wins.

Remove Messi and Ronaldo's goals and see whether they'll still be regarded as goats.

I'm not arguing the importance of goal in football with you but outside goals football still got a lot to offer.

One thing in football is winning is important and goals give you that but remember you can't always win.
Goal is important but how you play to score that goal is also important, what you do when looking for that goal is also important.
Their is a reason footballer can win an award by not winning the competition.
You can't tell me you've not enjoy a football match of goaless draw.


Lionel Messi will be in the GOAT conversation without his goals.
Tell me how many goals Zidane and Ronaldinho have to be in the GOAT debate.

timbros:


Bro you shot yourself on the foot with that bolded

If it's called team sport, which it is, then different members of the team have different jobs to do. Defending, creating, scoring etc...

Halaand's job is to score goals, and he is doing it in quantom No just go there bro.

Bro context.

The bolded is not about halland but about football, check the post I make that reply to and also check the subsequent reply.

And even as a 9 in football you have other things to do aside goals; he scored a lot for city but is city better or worse with him compare to previous years?

And lukaku have scored a lot of goals in his career, is he an elite number 9?

Ellexy:
If you minus goals from all the things football has to offer, what do you have remaining?

A lot.
To answer straight: Minus goals from Lionel Messi and see their is still a lot footballer can do.

PS: Goal is very important but their is more to football.

Werey no get any reason he said because osimhen is a Nigeria player.

Saying Osimhen should not come to Chelsea is talking him down?

Werey cannot hold an intelligent conversation it's either he turn it to insult or look for an intelligent person to gumbody to.

We found your excuse out.

Come out as a man and attest to the fact that here is engaging than your useless thread.

You will not die.

Ellexy:
Outside goals kor inside goals ni 🤨

What was he signed to do? To score goals abi to play midfield or defend? You guys will just be saying rubbish with audacity.

Take the chill pill bro.

Their is a reason messi and Ronaldo debate will never end.
They both scored loads of goals but other aspect of the game outside goals differentiate them.

Goal is important in football but it's not all football gets to offer.

FBS:

Remind me please the name of this game again?
What's the main currency - both old and new notes?

Don't get me wrong goals is very important in football but there are other aspect of the game that is equally as important because it's a team sport for a reason.

Halland scores goals for city but it's evident that they are struggling and not at their fluid best.
They are not as dominant as they once were; they tend to struggle against a decent technical team.

If a well oiled machine like city can struggle with a goal poacher then know it too well Chelsea will capsize.

We can all see how Lukaku turnout at Chelsea.
Lukaku and halland are similar in some ways (in my opinion halland is better though).

andrewbaba44:


Haaland struggling in England even with the stat padding 🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡🤡

Your harvetz have flopped in the epl ,but you will sugar coat

Say you don’t want osimhen at Chelsea so it won’t send your German fraud to the bench

One last thing for you ,please don’t ever become a football coach even if given the opportunity

Thank you

He didn't mention Barca or any of your player past or present but you jump to attack him.

But tomorrow now if they ask you why you are here you will be rambling about someone mentioning Barcelona or your player.

Any man that want equity must come with clean intentions.

Honestly to a large extent I see a very valid reason in havertz10 point.

Outside goals halland is not doing very well and the rate of his goals have dropped off significantly in recent weeks.
And his one dimensional play is affecting city this season.

I don't want osimhen at Chelsea because he is too service dependent and we don't have top level creative midfielder and the cost of getting him will enormous.

I personally prefer kolo muani but the rumored asking price is also a joke, I think Marcus thuram should do it or if we can get Harry Kane.

Ibime:


We faced the. In Group Stage

That is not a factor anymore.
At quarter final stage anybody can face anybody irrespective of group stage or domestic league played.

We can get anybody out the remaining 7 teams.

Antonio conte has not win a UCL knockout match since 2013.

A very terrible record.

iamoyindamola:
Felix is captain
Is this a joke

Kova is the captain.

rooftops:

If popi still argue with this point and image Omo I go know say na agenda. Ziyech had his lowest output at left wing where popi wants him to be.

From my memories of Ziyech everything I remember about him on the field is from the right wing; from our match against ajax , to real Madrid match, to his worldie against Tottenham and Valencia etc.

Asking a 30 year old player to change wing in a much tougher league is funny.

I trust popi to make something up Sha, he no dey easily rest.

popizaino:


Don't chicken out. Give me video of Ziyech assisting from his multiple crosses down the right side or forever keep quiet when am making my suggestion on Chelsea.

popi I think you need to take a chill pill on this ziyech matter.

Ziyech have been a Right winger right from his time at ajax and he rack up so many goals and assist in that position; and all his iconic moments comes from that wing or as AM.

His problem is the pace and pressing of the premier league, if he switch to a serie a team he will cook there because of the slower pace.

Ziyech cannot cut it for us either on the right wing or left wing.

andrewbaba44:


Madrid have more ucl than all epl teams combined ,satisfied ?

Barcelona the so called dead club have more ucl than your club Chelsea ,satisfied ?

Now the real dead club have been exposed

So rest

You are the that need to rest,

Madrid did not have more ucl than all premier league team.

Use Google first before you spill gibberish.

Actually I'm beginning to get upset with this Enzo deal.
It's becoming so irritating now.

Which kind of simping on another level is this.
They are holding us to ransom on someone that can flop massively.