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Jokerman:
Oga, you have no point.

In the 21st century Man UTd, Ronaldo is ranked 1st, then others.

There's a reason Ferguson said Ronaldo is the only world class talent he ever coached in his 21st century players

I know when you hear Ronaldo, you lose your senses. So Rooney, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra, RVP and others were not world class abi?

afrodoc2:
Bro, you ranked JS Park above Cristiano Ronaldo.

Well, I went overboard there but my point still stands.

spillo1:
The point is why will you judge Ronaldo by his Madrid performance when we are talking about his impact at United. You are basically saying if Ronaldo had flopped at Madrid, you will rate his performance at United higher. This is like an Aberdeen fan saying Ferguson is not a legend or great at the club because he reached an higher level at United.

The point I raised and stand by is that Ronaldo was top level here only for 3 years and those were not his best years. If Rooney had joined a rival andgone ahead to win 4 UCLs, 3 leagues titles and other trophies, many here won't rank him that high...Rooney is ranked that high because he spent the peak of his career here. Fans will always appreciate that over a few great seasons unless they're fan boys.

Jokerman:
So winning all individual awards wey even Giggs with his 100 years no win, no be best of a player?

Giggs delivered consistently for longer periods.

spillo1:
This post doesn't even follow your logic. Was Ronaldo not one of the best players in the world at United? Was Ronaldo peak form and performance not greater than Rio, Evra and Park own? Park was not even a guaranteed starter in most of his career at United. You wanted to use longevity until you found out Ronaldo spent similar years as Evra, Park , Vidic etc. No one is talking about his career at Madrid so your Forlan example and career he went on to have after leaving United angle doesn't even follow.

Well, the others spent their peak years here. I don't know why you're missing this point. Ronaldo was good here but we didn't see the best of him here. If Keane, Rooney, Vidic, Evra and the likes left before reaching their peak, I won't rank them so high.

spillo1:
That perspective is very wrong. Those great and good season you mentioned trumps whatever best football Evra and Park served at United. You judge players by their career peak at a club. If Rashford stayed at United till 30 then leave to a mid table club would you rate him over Ronaldo because he played his best football at United.

Rashford's best did not come with trophies and was not good enough compared to other players at the time. It's like Kane and his goals for Spurs, even though he was very prolific, people just won't rate him highly enough when he retires but Spurs fans will.

Back to United, Evra was one of the best LBs in the world while he was here same as Ferdinand. Park was the engine room of the team so, I rate them highly based on that. It's like saying Forlan is a United great because of the career he went on to have after leaving the club. Don't get me wrong, Ronaldo had aa great 3 years here but for me, I won't put him above the likes of Rio, Evra, Vidic when ranking our greatest ever players.

spillo1:
Ronaldo spent 7 seasons at United. Evra spent 8 seasons. Park did 7 seasons like Ronaldo. Keane did 4 seasons going by the 21st century timeline. What impact did those players have here that trumps Ronaldo?

Ronaldo had 1 great season here and 2 very good seasons before he left. He was entering his peak when he left for Madrid compared to those players who played their best football at United. You might not agree but this is the perspective I'm looking at.

nitrogen:
You sure say no be Greek gift Pep dash Amorin so?

Make we dey watch see...I just hope Amorim is able to come up with a system that accommodates most of the players in our squad.

afrodoc2:
Funny thing, it was your brother that first brought Ronaldo FC and Anti-Ronaldo FC into it. We just connected the dots later.



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The argument does not make sense to me. It's pointless bringing in Ronaldo in the criticism or defence of Garnacho.

CapitalCee:
For me based on those criteria you listed this is my Ranking.

1. Giggs
2. Rooney
3. Scholes
4. Vidic
5. Ronaldo
6. Keane
7. Ferdinand
8. Van Nistelrooy
9. Evra
10. Van Der Sar
11. Carrick
12. DDG
13. Bruno
14. Gary Neville
15. J. S Park
16. Chicharito
17. Antonio Valencia
18. Nani
19. Robin Van Persie
20. Tevez
21. Rashford
22. Berbetov
23.Solskjear
24. Fletcher
25. Mata

Ronaldo is rated for the career he had after he left and not necessarily for his impact here because I won't rate him above Keane, Ferdinand, Evra, Park etc. I won't rate Rashford above Berbatov, Solskjaer and Fletcher...

Mrviktor:
The toxic fans would have dropped his confidence to the ground..

See rashford no dey dribble or shoot again..
He's always Passing and crossing..

Rashford of before we dey run like Temple run..

Even Bruno no dey play 500 wayward passes again..

Toxic fans? Where do you place yourself?

If I had joined in dragging Garnacho them for say na becuae I be Messi fan and I no like Ronaldo. You guys just find ways to reduce every argument to nothing.

I deliberately refused to blast Garnacho beyond my reaction during the game for reasons I dropped here but if others choose to then they're well within their rights to do so. Ronaldo is in Saudi and Messi in the MLS, we need to move past them.

As much as I blame the blame players and the coaching staff, they're some stupid plays from Garnacho that are beyond any excuse you might want to think of. Make we sha wait for Amorim.

Equitorial Guinea is trending for the wrong reasons...Women, I fear who no fear them.

Well, both sides have good arguments, but let's not reduce it to gutter-level debate by bringing in Ronaldo...

One thing is certain: the coaches and seniors have failed Garnacho more than anything. I remember how the senior players back then helped Ronaldo when he was that frustrating youngster who was all about himself; we don't have that crop anymore, which was why I applauded Casemiro for letting it out on him...

Much like Martial and Rashford, who were handed paychecks akin to that of world beaters, Garnacho has been handed a role akin to that of the team's top man, and very few players can shoulder such responsibilities without falling over their shadows...Barcelona and Spain have someone close to Yamal on and off the pitch to caution him when he begins to falter, we saw it with Raphinha against Madrid when Yamal attempted that provocation against Madrid and also, in an interview after Spain won against France where someone handed over a mask to him to execute a perfect dig at Mbappe but he had the mask taken off him.

Garnacho needs people around him to help him, a SAF kind of figure...I hope in Amorim we have that man...

MRTA7:
Do you guys think we have a squad that can play the 343 well?

CBs? Yes...Yoro at RCB, De Ligt at CB and Martinez at LCB...Lindelöf and Maguire are more than capable deputies.

Wingbacks? No...Shaw is Afrodoc's colleague and Dalot is off form. Mazraoui can do well as the RWB, but at LWB, we have a big problem.

Midfield? Yes...Ugarte and Mainoo look a perfect fit for his preferred 2 man man midfield. Casemiro is also an option. Bruno has shown he can play that role for Portugal, so he is an option if the others are injured.

RAMF and LAMF? Yes...I think Bruno and Amad will thrive here. We are lacking quality alternatives because Rashford and Garnacho are not technical on the ball and depend more on their explosive pace. Antony is another that might do well as a RAMF...Bruno can be very disciplined in possession when he wants to be and can pick a pass; we see him when he plays for Portugal, so I think he and Amad will thrive here.

CF? I can't say...Hojlund is good at running into channels but his ability to retain possession needs a lot of improvement...Rashford is another option here if he gets his head sorted out but that's a big one to ask of him. Zirkzee needs to work hard if he must stand any chance of making the team, at the moment, I don't see him fitting in at all.

Mrviktor:
See as una dey abuse 20 year old boy.
He only turned 20 3 months ago.
Hmmm

Bipolar disorder here...Same you that leads the criticism of Mainoo...

Oasis007:


Garnacho is the most senseless winger ever plays for Manchester United. Bebe was even far better than him.

Bebe? Lol...You deserve better lashes.

The officiating was bad.

I love the fact that Casemiro let it out on Garnacho. Very foolish boy.

Abeg make one team win.

Garnacho can be very annoying.

Funny that those who pick on Ugarte never acknowledges whenever he does it right. Agenda everywhere.

That pass from Ugarte to Rashford was nice...

Bruno is really stupid.

CapitalCee:
Unpopular Opinion Mctominay is better than Ugarte.

Do they play the same position?

Jokerman:
This is how it should be...

We had hope on Erik, but he turned out to be a fraud, and also lost a portion of the fans earlier too...

We have Amorim now, we back him, and if he turns out to be a fraud too... Then we push for his outing too

Simple. They want us to support a coach that is taking us backwards.

So I should do like ChristoBam and stick to a manager that is failing?

I will support Amorim but if he doesn't deliver I will call for his sack. I no dey loyal to any manager, you are here to deliver and if you don't, you have to leave...

Whoever is not happy should ignore or do whatever pleases you...

Oasis007:



...........dem say you should lower the expectations bruh. LOL!

I no get time for that one. We promised not to get in each other's lane maybe he has forgotten.

Amorim is a good manager but if he doesn't cut it here, he should be sacked.

That Ten Hag didn't cut it here does not mean he is bad but when you talk about him in relation to his time with United, you won't be wrong to say he failed.

Imagine a Liverpool fan coming here to talk about holding a manager to standard. Arne Slot has a mountain to climb.

Oasis007:
Ruben Amorim: "Manchester United appeared and they paid above the release clause. I was told it was now or never".

"I had three days to make my mind up and I decided to accept, it was impossible to refuse".

When we said there were a lot of managers available, Bin Laden fanboys said there was no manager in the market like they didn't know that a lot of managers will say yes to United as soon as the chance presents itself as long as United decide to pay their release clause.

CrystalTiger:
This fucking fraudster 😠😠😠

Big time fraudster.

odizeey:
He disappoint me. Maybe na spell

Which one be spell again? 😂😂😂

As Handelex, he was one of the elite squad members of the Ole-In brigade...It took the intervention of special forces from the Ole-Out brigade to take him out...