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Kuns,

What you have just done, is to take the Scriptures out of context, and make them say what you want them to say. Be careful, there is a Judge, and He doesn't play games.

dtw_sola,

Did you read what I posted; we all are guilty in the eyes of God, "For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;" the glory of God is perfection -- we're not perfect.

Even if all a person did, was to commit 1 sin in their life -- they would be just as guilty as one who had murdered & attacked every day of their life.

I'm not condemning, I'm just a messenger, BTW, I'm a sinner too.


Wait, there's more,

Romans 6:23 For the wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

I'm not worried, even Christians sin; the difference is that we know that we have an Advocate who stands with us:

1st Epistle of John
1 That which was from the beginning, which we have heard, which we have seen with our eyes, which we have looked upon, and our hands have handled, of the Word of life;
2 (For the life was manifested, and we have seen it, and bear witness, and shew unto you that eternal life, which was with the Father, and was manifested unto us
3 That which we have seen and heard declare we unto you, that ye also may have fellowship with us: and truly our fellowship is with the Father, and with his Son Jesus Christ.
4 And these things write we unto you, that your joy may be full.
5 This then is the message which we have heard of him, and declare unto you, that God is light, and in him is no darkness at all.
6 If we say that we have fellowship with him, and walk in darkness, we lie, and do not the truth:
7 But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.
8 If we say that we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in us.
9 If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to forgive us our sins, and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in us.

AND HE

SHALL

BE CALLED,

ADVOCATE; LAMB OF GOD;

THE RESURRECTION & THE LIFE;

SHEPHERD & BISHOP OF SOULS; JUDGE;

LORD OF LORDS; MAN OF SORROWS;

HEAD OF THE CHURCH; MASTER;

FAITHFUL & TRUE WITNESS; ROCK;

HIGH PRIEST; THE DOOR; LIVING WATER;

BREAD OF LIFE; ROSE OF SHARON;

ALPHA & OMEGA; TRUE VINE; MESSIAH;

TEACHER; HOLY ONE; MEDIATOR;

THE BELOVED BRANCH; CARPENTER;

GOOD SHEPHERD; LIGHT OF THE WORLD;

CHIEF CORNERSTONE; SAVIOR; SERVANT;

AUTHOR & FINISHER OF OUR FAITH;

THE ALMIGHTY; EVERLASTING FATHER;

SHILOH; LION OF THE TRIBE OF JUDAH;

I AM; KING OF KINGS; PRINCE OF PEACE;

BRIDEGROOM; ONLY BEGOTTEN SON;

WONDERFUL COUNSELOR; IMMANUEL;

SON OF MAN; DAYSPRING; THE AMEN;

KING OF THE JEWS; PROPHET; REDEEMER;

ANCHOR; BRIGHT MORNING STAR;

THE WAY, THE TRUTH & THE LIFE;

JESUS CHRIST.

Horus,

Just because YOU don't believe in Him, why should I stop believing in my Lord Jesus Christ?

I've prayed to my heavenly Father in Jesus' name; my prayers were answered.

Paulus

As for those who "believed" that Jesus prayed to himself, I guess that you missed what Matthew's & Luke's Gospels had in them about the angel's visit with Mary. Jesus wasn't praying to himself -- he was praying to His Father.

Because of a man by the of name Arius, the Athanasian Creed was written. This creed was named after Athanasius who debated with Arius.

http://www.ccel.org/creeds/athanasian.creed.html

Athanasian Creed

Whoever will be saved shall, above all else,
hold the catholic* faith.
Which faith, except everyone keeps whole and undefiled,
without doubt he will perish eternally.
And the catholic faith is this,
that we worship one God in three persons
and three persons in one God,
neither confusing the persons
nor dividing the substance.
For there is one person of the Father,
another of the Son,
and another of the Holy Spirit.
But the Godhead of the Father, of the Son, and of the Holy Spirit is all one:
the glory equal, the majesty coeternal.
Such as the Father is, such is the Son, and such is the Holy Spirit.
The Father uncreated,
the Son uncreated,
and the Holy Spirit uncreated.
The Father incomprehensible,
the Son incomprehensible,
and the Holy Spirit incomprehensible.
The Father eternal,
the Son eternal,
and the Holy Spirit eternal.
And yet there are not three eternals
but one eternal.
As there are not three uncreated nor three incomprehensibles
but one uncreated and one incomprehensible.
So likewise the Father is almighty,
the Son almighty,
and the Holy Spirit almighty.
And yet they are not three almighties
but one almighty.
So the Father is God,
the Son is God,
and the Holy Spirit is God.
And yet there are not three gods;
but one God.
So likewise the Father is Lord,
the Son Lord,
and the Holy Spirit Lord.
And yet they are not three lords
but one Lord.
For as we are compelled by the Christian truth to acknowledge every person by himself
to be both God and Lord,
So we cannot by the catholic* faith
say that there are three Gods or three Lords.
The Father is made of none, neither created nor begotten.
The Son is of the Father alone, not made nor created;
but begotten.
The Holy Spirit is of the Father and of the Son, neither made nor created nor begotten
but proceeding.
So there is one Father, not three Fathers;
one Son, not three Sons;
one Holy Spirit, not three Holy Spirits.
And in this trinity none is before or after another;
none is greater or less than another;
But the whole three persons
are coeternal together and coequal,
so that in all things, as is aforesaid,
the Unity in Trinity
and the Trinity in Unity is to be worshiped,
He, therefore, that will be saved is compelled thus to think of the Trinity.
Furthermore, it is necessary to everlasting salvation
that he also believe faithfully the incarnation
of our Lord Jesus Christ.
For the right faith is
that we believe and confess
that our Lord Jesus Christ, the Son of God,
is God and man;
God of the substance of the Father,
begotten before the worlds;
and man of the substance of his mother,
born in the world;
Perfect God and perfect man,
of a reasonable soul and human flesh subsisting.
Equal to the Father as touching his Godhead,
and inferior to the Father as touching his manhood;
Who, although he is God and man,
yet he is not two but one Christ.
One, not by conversion of the Godhead into flesh,
but by taking the manhood into God;.
One altogether,
not by confusion of substance,
but by unity of person.
For as the reasonable soul and flesh is one man,
so God and man is one Christ;
Who suffered for our salvation;
descended into hell;
rose again the third day from the dead.
He ascended into heaven;
he sits at the right hand of the Father, God Almighty,
from whence he will come to judge the living and the dead.
At whose coming all men will rise again with their bodies
and will give an account of their own works.
And they that have done good will go into life everlasting;
and they that have done evil,
into everlasting fire.
This is the catholic faith which
except a man believe faithfully and firmly, he cannot be saved.

The word "catholic*" in this case does not refer to the Roman Catholic Church, it means the universal Christian faith.

Quote from Horus on: Today at 07:42:30 PM
Your "God" is suposed to be immortal.
If your Jesus is God,why he allow mortal to kill him on a cross?
So your "God" comited suicide?
So your "God" can be killed on a cross?

GOSPEL OF JOHN 1:1-14;
1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
2 The same was in the beginning with God.
3 All things were made by him; and without him was not any thing made that was made.
4 In him was life; and the life was the light of men.
5 And the light shineth in darkness; and the darkness comprehended it not.
6 There was a man sent from God, whose name was John.
7 The same came for a witness, to bear witness of the Light, that all men through him might believe.
8 He was not that Light, but was sent to bear witness of that Light.
9 That was the true Light, which lighteth every man that cometh into the world.
10 He was in the world, and the world was made by him, and the world knew him not.
11 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.
12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God, even to them that believe on his name:
13 Which were born, not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
14 And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.

COLOSSIANS 1:10-23;

10 That ye might walk worthy of the Lord unto all pleasing, being fruitful in every good work, and increasing in the knowledge of God;
11 Strengthened with all might, according to his glorious power, unto all patience and longsuffering with joyfulness;
12 Giving thanks unto the Father, which hath made us meet to be partakers of the inheritance of the saints in light:
13 Who hath delivered us from the power of darkness, and hath translated us into the kingdom of his dear Son:
14 In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
15 Who is the image of the invisible God, the firstborn of every creature:
16 For by him were all things created, that are in heaven, and that are in earth, visible and invisible, whether they be thrones, or dominions, or principalities, or powers: all things were created by him, and for him:
17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.
18 And he is the head of the body, the church: who is the beginning, the firstborn from the dead; that in all things he might have the preeminence.
19 For it pleased the Father that in him should all fulness dwell;
20 And, having made peace through the blood of his cross, by him to reconcile all things unto himself; by him, I say, whether they be things in earth, or things in heaven.
21 And you, that were sometime alienated and enemies in your mind by wicked works, yet now hath he reconciled
22 In the body of his flesh through death, to present you holy and unblameable and unreproveable in his sight:
23 If ye continue in the faith grounded and settled, and be not moved away from the hope of the gospel, which ye have heard, and which was preached to every creature which is under heaven;

PHILIPPIANS 2:6-11;

6 Who, being in the form of God, thought it not robbery to be equal with God:
7 But made himself of no reputation, and took upon him the form of a servant, and was made in the likeness of men:
8 And being found in fashion as a man, he humbled himself, and became obedient unto death, even the death of the cross.
9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
11 And that every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.

Now on the lighter side of things, who other than God can forgive sins?

LUKE 5:17-26;
17 And it came to pass on a certain day, as he was teaching, that there were Pharisees and doctors of the law sitting by, which were come out of every town of Galilee, and Judaea, and Jerusalem: and the power of the Lord was present to heal them.
18 And, behold, men brought in a bed a man which was taken with a palsy: and they sought means to bring him in, and to lay him before him.
19 And when they could not find by what way they might bring him in because of the multitude, they went upon the housetop, and let him down through the tiling with his couch into the midst before Jesus.
20 And when he saw their faith, he said unto him, Man, thy sins are forgiven thee.
21 And the scribes and the Pharisees began to reason, saying, Who is this which speaketh blasphemies? Who can forgive sins, but God alone?
22 But when Jesus perceived their thoughts, he answering said unto them, What reason ye in your hearts?
23 Whether is easier, to say, Thy sins be forgiven thee; or to say, Rise up and walk?
24 But that ye may know that the Son of man hath power upon earth to forgive sins, (he said unto the sick of the palsy,) I say unto thee, Arise, and take up thy couch, and go into thine house.
25 And immediately he rose up before them, and took up that whereon he lay, and departed to his own house, glorifying God.
26 And they were all amazed, and they glorified God, and were filled with fear, saying, We have seen strange things to day.

I believe that Jesus is God.

Romans 3:23 For all have sinned, and come short of the glory of God;

Gays, murderers, thieves, you, me, everybody -- has sinned.

None of us deserve paradise.

Quote from: Dis Guy on: May 25, 2007, 10:15 PM
Even the white people refer to the black people as animals. Less human?

How well do you know "white people?" Can you speak for ALL of them? I was taught not to stereotype others; apparently you weren't.

Do you know me, other than what you can read & see in my profile?

I didn't think so.


My views on "race," is that there's only one race that matters(no, it's not the white race, Dis Guy), it's the HUMAN race. All of us on this planet called Earth are a shade of brown. Some are a very light tan, some are very dark BUT we are all humans. My views on this subject came from my parents too.

Now, there are some that don't act very neighborly, always stirring up trouble,, but that's not in any particular race, either.

Smiles,

I think you'll make it, those "smiles" have a way of brightening up days. I'm a newbie too.

Paulus

dutireyemi,

I don't know what your religious background is; yet, this may help you.

Let's see what the Word of God says on this:

Luke 18:1-7 declares, “Then Jesus told his disciples a parable to show them that they should always pray and not give up. He said: ‘In a certain town there was a judge who neither feared God nor cared about men. And there was a widow in that town who kept coming to him with the plea, 'Grant me justice against my adversary.' For some time he refused. But finally he said to himself, 'Even though I don't fear God or care about men, yet because this widow keeps bothering me, I will see that she gets justice, so that she won't eventually wear me out with her coming!' And the Lord said, "Listen to what the unjust judge says. And will not God bring about justice for His chosen ones, who cry out to Him day and night? Will He keep putting them off?”

Luke 11:5-13 proclaims, “Then he said to them, ‘Suppose one of you has a friend, and he goes to him at midnight and says, 'Friend, lend me three loaves of bread, because a friend of mine on a journey has come to me, and I have nothing to set before him.' Then the one inside answers, 'Don't bother me. The door is already locked, and my children are with me in bed. I can't get up and give you anything.' I tell you, though he will not get up and give him the bread because he is his friend, yet because of the man's boldness he will get up and give him as much as he needs. "So I say to you: Ask and it will be given to you; seek and you will find; knock and the door will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives; he who seeks finds; and to him who knocks, the door will be opened. "Which of you fathers, if your son asks for a fish, will give him a snake instead? Or if he asks for an egg, will give him a scorpion? If you then, though you are evil, know how to give good gifts to your children, how much more will your Father in heaven give the Holy Spirit to those who ask Him!"

Both of these passages encourage us to pray – and to keep praying! There is nothing wrong with repeatedly asking for the same thing. As long as it is within the will of God (1 John 5:14-15), keep asking until God grants your request or removes the desire from your heart. Sometimes God forces us to wait for an answer to our prayers in order to teach us patience and perseverance. Sometimes we are asking for something when it is not yet in God's timing for our lives. Sometimes we are asking for something that is not God's will for us, and He is saying no. Prayer is not only us presenting our requests to God, it is God presenting His will to our hearts. Keep on asking, keep on knocking, keep on seeking – until God grants your requests, or convinces you that your request is not His will for you.

Have a good day.

Paulus

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