ksmart027:

Bros you too like argument and the funny part is u no dey gree at all , if you were in ph, i would have prove to you your car dey consume fuel because my car gets more than 10km/l. I no say you go still argue am sha

Most people have allowed Kazeem to remove thermostat from their cars, connected fan direct, O2 sensor isn't working and are using thicker engine oil. So it's always a mystery to them when their reality is different. Even when what u are telling them is inline with manufacturer specifications.
If I were him, I will find how to make my car save fuel rather than grandstand on a faulty mandate.

Pearl1910:


Not an assumption. It's my reality.
When I tell u I am speaking from experience u think I am telling stories to tickle your fantasy?
20k fuel
Look at the Net after commission is minimum 60k. Meaning Gross was 80k. I still did one or two Indrive trips on these days.

Below are my POS payment for fuel purchases at the end of the said days. I replace the fuel I used for the day to take my tank back to full and prepare for the next day.
I have always used half tank for a full days job. Full tank takes me two full days. 45-55 litres fills my tank depending on how empty it was.

Omoapena:



Lolz with your calculations, why not say what same 20k fuel will gross you when they increase price.

Let me help you break it down, since you said 20k fuel is grossing 80k and we go home with 40k, pls, when doing your calculations, always remember to remove fuel amount coz you will have to buy back that fuel so your take home isn't 40k as whole but let me just go with your calculations by saying the take home is 40k from 20k fuel..

So you buy 20k fuel and you make 80k, minus commission you have 40k, and you said if they increased fuel, you may have 50k with 10k fuel and go home with 37500.

In your latter, you reduced the fuel to 10k, which means if you're to use 20k fuel for the change in price, it will be 100k gross, and remove commission of 25k and you will have 75k which is 35k difference from using 20k fuel to get 80k.

You're still looking at the total trips you will get, if you asked me, I don't mind getting 50k with 10k fuel to getting 80k with 20k fuel.
In your own instance, you're looking at the 80k and going home with 40k, remember to take your 20k fuel from that 40k and what you're actually going home with is 20k but in your other instance, someone doing 50k with 10k fuel, will go home with 27,500 after taking the 10k fuel from the 50k, so who's making more money with lesser fuel?



Do the math yourself and see who's making more using lesser fuel...

Omo... U win 🙌. I bow for u🤝. I clapp for u. 👏

dav1002:


I want to believe the bolded is just an assumption

Not an assumption. It's my reality.
When I tell u I am speaking from experience u think I am telling stories to tickle your fantasy?
20k fuel
Look at the Net after commission is minimum 60k. Meaning Gross was 80k. I still did one or two Indrive trips on these days.

Omoapena:


Pearl, I have told you severally that, transportation is crucial and important in the society, if price is increased today, people will still patronize, I understand their will be dip but as time goes on, people will adjust back and get used to it.

Inflation is rising everyday, CBN just increased interest rate today again and banks are adjusting, people will eventually adjust.

Car parts is going up and car accessories is going up and you want bolt fare to remain the same, be like say you no wan get small change for your old age, do you want to work till you cross 50years old?...


If you're not making enough now for you to have little to save for future, when will you be able to?


If bolt increases fare by 20% to 30% and other apps does the same thing, trust me, riders will adjust..

Fuel price went up from 185 to 920 in space of 1 year, does it stop fuel from selling, people still queue to buy despite that much increment so, definitely, people will adjust to new price if they increase it as well...

I dont think I have ever said Bolt should not increase price.
I said they are trying to find a balance between an affordable price for riders and a profitable price for partners. They have increased price already and are even giving bonuses to cushion the effect of high fuel price. but clearly it's not enough for u, reason why u are still converting trips to offline.
Coupled with the fact that Indrive is still a cheap alternative, therefore Bolt cannot set a price that will backfire.
Why do u keep arguing blindly back and forth.

Adjusting is a function of if people earn more. Can we buy a 5year old car today as easy as it was to buy a 5yr old car in 2010?
Why u never adjust till now??

All businesses are experiencing a dip in patronage, cos of high price. even omo Igbo in Ladipo close to u will tell u people aren't patronizing again like before because things don cost.
Me personally that don't buy hub bearing before, now hub bearing is my best friend cos I cannot afford one hub for 60k. I prefer to put bearing of 10k and use for 2-3 Months.

See inflation is not just the problem, part of the problem is there is no disposable income in circulation and income has not increased.

dav1002:


Please tell us the alternative to ehailing that will carry riders from their house to their destination

Some people are now saying it's better they drive than take uber cos it's getting too expensive.
Some others are running to indrive for cheap rides and others are actually taking yellow cabs or public transportation.
Many people now treck from inside estate to d gate to enter keke or korokpe.
Others only go out when it is extremely necessary, all those careless long distance waka don reduce.
U should chat more with ur riders next time u carry them. These questions shouldn't be for me.

Omoapena:



You see this mentality of more patronage and little money has to stop.


It's just like saying a pure water seller that have more buyers makes more money than a table water seller that have less customers...


See, what you should consider is profit margin and not Sales margin, I don't want something that will give me 1m sales and at the end, I'm only getting 100k profit margin, I want something that will give me 1k sales while my profit margin will be 200k.


Another instance, it's a way of telling someone that have been doing many trips, let's say 10 trips for 5hours for instance and make only 30k while someone do just 1 trip for 2hours and make same 30k.

That first person put in more time and effort but making same thing amount with someone that put in lesser time and energy.


After all, we will say work smarter and not harder, but you want to do more trips for little money when you can do little trips for more money...

Pearl, nah this your mentality bolt get, they are looking for more trips and lesser money but I keep saying this thing, what difference will it make to bolt if they are getting 25% on 10 trips that will amount to 20k and 25% on 1 trip that will amount to same 20k.

U are drawing impossible assumptions.
Until u have agreed that increased price means low number of trips, then u will not see the implication.
Bolt income is fixed at 25% of X
If X used to be N100m daily before, now it's down to N40m. X has also reduced
This definitely means Bolt income has dropped.
You as a driver if currently u are grossing N80k daily and ur profit is 40k after deducting fuel 20k and commission 20k. And u say this 40k is not enough, bolt should increase price, now Bolt increases the fare and u can only Gross 50k with 10k fuel and 12k commission. Now your take home is less than 30k. Pls which do u prefer?

Omoapena:


I've said it, ask questions and I will provide. This your attitude of jumping into conclusion isn't good...


Let me just give you answer to your conclusion cox I know you're a deeply mistrusting person.

I don't have previous logsheet cox 1; I have changed my phone and I lost backups, 2; they don't give us logsheet anymore since they stopped deducting our money when car doesn't meet up with the required benchmark. But I will check my PDF documents and see if I can find any from the previous months.


Reason why I said this Sept. So I can request my own and plead with the manager to share other contractors own too...

Okay we will wait. But the fact that ur car does only 6km per liter is not an indictment on other people who say their car does 10km per liter. U need to fix whatever is wrong with your car.

Omoapena:



It is not by asking ourselves if we can pay all this money we asking this riders, can you enter club and spend 100k on a drink that cost 25k outside, I believe you can't but are people not buying it and even spending more than that? I believe you will agree with me that those people buying those expensive drinks at outrageous prices places value on the club but why can't they place value on our service too, nah from this work I dey hear oloso dey negotiate with someone on phone say to carry am nah 1m while the guys they beg for 750k but this same oloso will say VI to osapa London is too much for 5k...



See, just because you feel the money they are charging this riders is too much doesn't mean drivers should work and work and see nothing from it.


Day before yesterday which was Monday, I was so lucky, the 2 trips I did, I did them offline and both gave me 36k, from mushin to Thomas estate 18k and from Abraham adesanya to airport 18500 and both riders were even happy to do it offline cox that also give them the edge they aren't paying more than what we agreed.


I'm not encouraging offline tho but the situation warrant it, it's the only way you can work and go home with something.

Other things you need to factor into this earnings is your feedings, maintenance, data, and co.

Do you know that if this price continues like this, no driver will be able to afford common follow come hub if their hub spoils today.

To an extent you are right.
But I rather be a cowbell that sells cheap small small and has turnover and makes millions daily than be a peak milk that is expensive and has limited customers who only patronize them ones in a while.
This links back to our previous argument, we all observed that when the price was increased, patronage reduced. So what do u think will happen if the price is set at that luxurious amount u are expecting? U will buy fuel and put and be set to work but u will not see the trip. Do u really think there are no alternatives to ehailing?

dav1002:


I never said I'm not making profit bro
My argument is the profit margin has decreased significantly

For example if I get a 15k long trip from my house, when I get to the destination, I will now have to wait for long hours for something juicy to pop up or opt to join them doing fastest fingers and be burning fuel with little profit just to meet up?

I think u forgot how the argument started... I am not saying profit has not declined, as this is even relative. Someone will still tell u he is making more money now than before.
The origin of today's back and forth is don't do offline in the guise that times are hard.

Omoapena:


Do you know sometimes, I feel pearl is a remote worker for bolt...

The thing is I run a business. And I am a Business Analyst.
I have an holistic idea of how these things go, so when I put on my entrepreneur hat, I might sound like a company man or establishment man. Don't get it twisted, I still drove on Sunday.

Omoapena:


Make month end and make them send me report, I will request for other contractors report...

Lobatan... I talk am.
Shebi ur car has been with Indians since last 2years. Why wait till ending of September again for wetin u dey normally get every month for the past 2yrs. This guy...

XGhost:


Oya. And vehicle category too o

U go wait tire 😂😂😂

dav1002:


So someone who owns a Camry, Volvo or accord, that was probably gotten through hp should sell it and go and hawk gala in the sun or venture into a 9-5 job

Help me understand bros

I never said so.
XGhost is using Volvo and has told u his margins,
Barbiturate uses Muscle has told us he buys 20k fuel to make 40k Net.
Accord and Muscle are same.
So all things being equal Volvo, Camry and Accord users are still making profit.

So u which car are u using that u are not making profit?
Next question, whose fault is it if you aren't making profit??

Omoapena:


I know you're one hell of a guy who's deeply mistrusting, if only reedareeve can ask blessing, the coordinator of ajo we are both in for confirmation of this story and come back to tell you if it's fabricated or not.


What do I tend to gain in cooking a story, I'm this kind of person that will never lie for any form of credibility. If negative thing go happen, online can't save you and that's a fact, I've carried a rider to magodo some years back that said a bolt driver robbed her of her properties and it was an online trip, infact, she reported to extent Linda ikeji invited her over regarding the case but she said she declined it coz she doesn't have that strength and time for court case, this is an online trip that could probably enrich the lady if she slam bolt lawsuit but did the online guarantee her safety; NO, so whatever that will happen, whether online or offline will definitely happen, online will only give you the edge to track the perpetrator. I know you won't agree with me and I don't need you to, I will only say the fact and what I know.


Lastly, I've observed you feel you're the only 1 who knows the apps better than everyone else and you don't like when someone disagrees with you on matter concerning the app.



Reedareeve, if possible, kindly ask blessing for ayos case regarding when he was arrested cox he carried people that had gun and ask her if the trip was online or offline...

Baba, I no believe o!!!
I guess it's Readadream u are referring to.
@Readadream pls confirm for us.
I have your number... I am interested in this case. I am chatting u up now.
These are cases we need to help out each other, I no dey for plenty chochocho.
I am sure everyone here will like to know exactly what happened. Why will an ehailing driver b arrested alongside the passengers? Do they arrest flight attendant or pilot when passenger carries drugs or contraband?

dav1002:


Now you're talking
Just the honest truth I wanted to hear

Your calculations wasn't based on your current reality which is your car

When you correct your calculations you'd see that me and you are saying the same thing

So whose fault is it if you use V6 engine to do transportation business?

I will gladly do a 20k trip for 2hrs. So if I work 10hrs I make 100k. Even if I use 30k fuel (which is very unlike) and pay commission 25k I go home with 45k.

However u want to twist it, 18k for Addo to Airport is not bad at all. Sometimes we suppose dey ask ourselves shey I fit pay this money wey I dey demand from other people

Omoapena:


See, either offline or online, if anything goes south, you're a suspect to whatever it is, online won't save you from the mess cox bolt will never show up to save you from whatever mess you find yourself...

Online isn't guaranteed for safety, the prayer is not to jam problem...


This makes me remember my friend that was arrested in igando some years back, he carried some guys, they were 4 in numbers, in the afternoon and police stopped him to search his car, while he stopped for searching, those guys just ran away, they were able to catch 2 of them and they found gun on them, my friend was arrested despite showing them its an online trip, to cut the story short, my friend involved lawyer and they took him to ikeja, he spent about 3 weeks in police custody before they later let him go with a payment of 450k.


So, whether it's an online or offline, it doesn't guarantee any safety, both for driver and rider, if you want to argue it, what's the difference between indrive trip and offline trip.

The only thing online trip can do is to be able to track your last ride, but whatever that will happen to you, either the driver or the rider would have happened.

I know say u no go gree ... But what concerns me is that this ur guy story. Na capital false. E no happen. Except your guy was caught trying to hide things for the criminal riders. First thing police does is ask are u Uber? (If they aren't sure), what u say next determines how they want to conduct their search.

dav1002:


It's not a case of doing the right thing
Nobody like to convert a trip to offline but the situation has forced our hands

Imagine someone here (can't remember the moniker) did a trip from a whole addo to airport 18500(that a whole lot of money), his running cost (fuel and commission) is already like14-15k, his profit on that trip is not up to 4k and remember that trip would have lasted like 2hrs or more.

These days I don't buy full tank cos to make that money back with profit may seem difficult

Like pearl rightly said: We are just collecting big big money but our profit no increase.

Well I don't support going illegal cos of the excuse that things are hard. Any day I work full day I net minimum 40k after fuel and commission. This ur analysis isn't correct, the default calculation is that u make min 50% profit on every trip after commissions and fuel.
I think Bolt and Uber are trying to find an equilibrium between an affordable price for Riders and a profitable price for Partners. I still drive to see for myself so nobody is giving me bobo and I am not telling u what someone said.
Therefore, it's just greed, corrupt mindset and unprofessionalism to try to fleece the App companies of their dues. Sometimes they are very generous to give attractive bonuses, instead of cheat the system, why not work and get the bonus. Last month and early this month they were practically dashing 10k daily for just 7 trips without conditions. Last week and the week before they gave 50k/42k for 50/40 trips in a week depending on your category.
So even if one is tight on profit, those bonuses can help u with fuel. What more can they do to help, no be them be ur govt o.
Without the Bonus, and u are not an ant, u can earn 25-30k daily without upending anyone. It's not millionaire standard but that's 150-180k in a week and over 600k in a month. U think this isn't enough?

Muhammadson2020:


Oga u re very wrong on this one.

Lets discuss it

dav1002:



Same trip men will happily run for 3k in the good old days

Kai tinubu do this one oh
Well make we endure this one
It's just the baby steps of pain 😢

I did one trip from OX to Shades on same Kofo Abayomi street N1,700 the babe say chai... Trip that we used to pay N500 before.
We are just collecting big big money but our profit no increase.
I recall when I used to buy fuel 1k in d morning 1k in d afternoon and 1k in d evening to work. If I buy 5k fuel that's almost full thank. Now I must buy 20-25k at a go and it will finish that day. I don't even want to think about this mess we are in.

The attached pic reminds me of someone on this thread.

pope191:


I still maintain my stand, regardless of how irresponsible this government has and will always be. Yes! Dangote may have air out like

Pope, off your mic. No waste your strength for Naija matter. No hope

Halahhalah:


I know you've made up your mind not to send the money to me.
I don't understand why you would exclude me when the donor already mentioned me .

Anyways, I wanted to share the money between two drivers here since I don't need the money.

Apologies Bro, the money is fuel support for active drivers on the thread. I have selected three other drivers that weren't on the list. It's okay like that.

Barbiturate:


Are you saying you collect full money and ignore discount

I collect the discounted price but can't be explaining to Rider that the fare has been discounted already since they want to claim ignorance

Omoapena:


On your end, you can't see the bonus amount, I'm referring to riders. Maybe if a rider orders now, and the actual fare is 10k and maybe they give rider 1500 discount, you will see 10k on your end but rider will see 8500, you can only tell rider to add whatever to the 8500 at the end of the trip, it still pays you cox if you're to do it online, you will still loose 1k from that 8500 to commission so, I will rather have the whole 8500 to Myself.


This screenshot was from where to where?

All these 1k extra where e don carry u reach?
If Bolt didn't connect you to the Rider will u get the opportunity to be renegotiating offline?
We dey shout govt is bad, leaders are corrupt but we the people aren't any better.
Stop this thing, na because of people like u Indrive wan dey monitor our movement even when we are sleeping. Make rider report u to Bolt that u are requesting for offline, and Bolt will block u forever, that time u will be among the people accepting 3k from Yaba to lekki because u don't have any other option. Most of the drivers accepting rubbish trips on Indrive are Drivers that have been blocked by Uber and Bolt. Not that they are happy to take those trips but because they don't have any other option and man must survive.
So I am advising you now if u know the work no pay u, leave am go find another thing do, stop bastardizing the system and crippling the app companies by stealing from their gains.

izzou:


Even on bonus, you'll still see the actual fare as a rider.

He will see the 7k and see the discount

Most riders are blind to that o.
Some of them will still be telling u, "Aghaa! Bolt said I have discount, how come the money is plenty like this?" Most times I don't respond, but if I feel like talking I tell them to message Bolt. Werey people

Doris4ever:


The few times I tried to renegotiate, riders ask me why did I pick the trip if the price is not okay. I was speechless

Omoapena:


I don't want to believe they are picking them up and driving to the rider to renegotiate, and if they are renegotiating on the app, I don't think that will work either.

I can't even stress myself to accept only to start renegotiating, I see those indrive riders as broke people looking for cheap fare.

Una never sabi d art of renegotiating... If u are interested to learn then go to MM2 car park and spend 2hrs with those Ehailing guys at the carpark first floor.
Omo those guys are crooks, they no get shame, them be kura, they can whyne rider and they are bold and confident. They can pick a trip of 10k and convert it to 20k. Boya dey don dey do ehailing plus I just don't know how they do it. Renegotiation mostly works for very long distance trips like Sangoredo, Ibeju or places other people don't like going like Ota, Ayobo, Satellite town, Mowe, Ibafo, Sagamu etc

Gentlelife50:


31388
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Gentlelife50:


I never see anything ooo

Pls send another account, Kuda is reversing

Omoapena:


We are both not in charge of the app and I'm telling you what I've observed over the times, sometimes it will read above and sometimes it will be the exact fare, I have no explanation over that coz I'm not in charge of their pricing, infact, i just got a trip from mushin here to wole olateju, the first time it came, it was 8900 but I declined coz I felt its low to lekki phase 1, it later came back again, maybe driver didn't accept it and it came back with 8700, 200naira lesser.

Bolt pricing now is just somehow.

I don't know if you have observed this, someone will order from Maryland bus stop to ajah under bridge and price will bring 10k and another will order from same Maryland bus stop to Abraham adesanya which is farther than ajah under bridge, but the price will be 9500 isn't that supposed to be more than the person going to ajah under bridge.

This trip is same day and around same time....

Yes I have observed this too. But this is just a function of the dynamic nature of traffic. U can check map now and u see 1hr 15mins and d next minute u refresh u are seeing 59mins or 1h 30mins. So it's no surprise if u experience changes in the fare as u explain.

Also, I noticed Bolt is adding money for distance to pickup. So if ur pickup is farther some money is added to your fare to compensate on dead driving.

Omoapena:


yeah, cox sometimes, their head go correct and it will read above the estimated amount and sometimes it will be fixed...

Tell me why I will even want to burn more fuel for difference of 200naira to 500naira, & I know it's fixed and I will still take longer route to burn more fuel?

If only indrive price can be same with bolt, I still prefer it cox it gives you the edge to have control over the route to follow compared to bolt that riders will be feeling so entitled, some will even tell you to take a longer route coz they want to pick someone or branch somewhere..

When something is automated it's no longer subject to "sometimes it will work, sometimes it will not work" press 2+2 in your calculator 1million times, d answer will b 4, 1million times.

On the route issue, I have said it before, I will say it again. Now that u know Bolt price is fairly fixed, if rider has any off-route stop, ask them to add the stop in the app.

Omoapena:


Lolz
I like the way you jumped into conclusion that I want to rip rider off, next time you ask question before you jump into conclusion.

I picked rider up from fatai irawo, where the rider is going is ocean blue which is on the lane going towards Allen, it was pass 9pm which the road was totally free and map said following oshodi to Maryland and Sheraton is the shortest to ocean blue but rider insisted I take airport road, after taking airport road, I was still using map and map said I should go and do U turn in front of Sheraton and take the turning beside Sheraton, but you know how some riders always feel entitled to control drivers since it's their money, I wanted to take that turn and he shouted I should go and take toyin again, but when I tried to let him know that where he's going is on the other lane facing Allen and not the lane facing opebi link Bridge, he said he will drop opposite the ocean blue and cross instead of doing U turn to come back. If the rider had let me stick to the suggested route by the map, the trip would have been 10km distance. And how did you even come to a conclusion I want to rip off rider, why should I be burning more fuel due to longer route the rider preferred and the price will remain same, if it were to be indrive, no rider dare to tell me where to pass but because I believe bolt reads on distance covered, that's why I followed rider instructions.

Taaaa... U that have been singing it since early this year that Bolt is now fixed price. U are the one now saying u didn't know.
U go explain tire, we all know what we are doing

Cineinfo:


Thank you Pearl, I was asking if I'm the one you're referring to the other day, you didn't reply.

070519, Access Bank
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