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abdullahi45:
In as much as I don't agree with atheism, associating all remarkable and phenomenal achievement in the world to christianity is repugnant. Besides, you have no proof to back up your slander talks. Theistic groups consisting of Muslims, Christians, Jews, Hindus etc have all contributed greatly to the development of science and technology. What if I told you Jews have made more contributions in this category than any other theist demographic? So stop trying to cling all discoveries and milestone inventions to xtianity.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.haaretz.com/amp/opinion/.premium-the-real-reason-jews-win-so-many-nobels-1.5276705

It will be dishonest to say Muslims did not also contribute to Science during their golden age. Muslims did and you are correct when you say that the Jews have made the most contribution.

Infact, let me shock you. Most of the Muslims who made these contributions to Science. A large portion of them have their ancestry slightly traced to the Jews. Many were not original Arabs. Some from Persia (Old name for Iran) and when you take out time to trace the cities that some came up from in Persia. You do this very carefully. You would come up with some Jewish traces.

Take for instance, Abu al-Tayyib Sanad ibn Ali al-Yahudi (died c. 864 C.E.) who was an eighth-century Iraqi Jewish astronomer, translator, mathematician and engineer. Infact, there is a religion. Lol! I have once read their book that teach that Muhammad was a Jew. There is a book by the Grail Message people on this (Topic for some other day)

This is proving our argument which is the claim that modern day civilization is based on Judeo-Christian heritage, principles and values of the Bible (Torah&Injeel of Yasu..Arabic for Jesus Christ and not Isa)

When Islam started its vindictive Jihadi obviously modelling that dirtbag, Pedophile, pervert and plagiarizer, cross-dresser, murderous self-proffessed, Schizophrenic, Suicidal Prophet Muhammad who personally himself beheaded 900 Jewish males and a female from the Jewish tribe of Medina, Banu Qurayza and had them all chased out. With successive Muslims after copying this pattern of his. They successfully chased out the Jews of Saudi Arabia, Yemeni, Jordan, Syria, Iraq, Libya, Iran, etcetera and today Arabs have lost that ability to keep contributing to Science as the Jews are basically the people that the God of the Bible, Yahweh who remains the only One and True God swore to Abraham in blessing them.

He would bless his seed. This remains unbroken even if the seeds don't follow YWHW until the 2nd coming of Jesus Christ. Notice that there was a certain time that Europe, US was in dark ages practicing all forms of Sorcery but immediately their ancestors accepted Jesus Christ. They came into the Spiritual Convenant made by YWHW. Any Christian is Spiritual kind of "Israel". The Western World had a lot of these Jews who are scattered everywhere assimilated in them and what we have till today is the Western World is the one dominating and basically leading modern day civilization. Their prints are everywhere. Even Facebook founder is an American with Jewish ancestry.

The day the Western World completely turns their back on Christ like the liberals, Atheists, Islamists, LGBT guys and the white supremacists are gradually pushing them, infiltrating them to do and let's say Caucasians that are Neo-nazis and White Supremacists like Hitler take over and let's say that they completely drive out the Jews is the day they fall. This is why most times I am of the opinion that Palestine should drop their pride and stop being manipulated by the other Islamic countries who only support them just so they can go into continual war with Israel. If the Islamic countries so love Palestine. Why can't they use their oil money to develop Palestine side. There is wall dividing them from Israel. Why can't the Islamic countries pump in money to develop Palestine to a technology advance place instead of basically just training for war against Israel, sending them ammunitions and by the time that they attack Israel and Israel replies them. These Palestinians will use their children as human shield and come on Al-Jazeera and start crying. Why are the Islamic countries sponsoring the education of Palestinians? Why can't the Palestinian leaders use all that funds that they use in guerilla warfare and attacks against Israel to develop their own side of the wall?


The Israeli want Peace with Palestine but with Palestinians assimilating into Israel under an Israeli government. I think that this is the best as Israel under a few years of Nationhood (I won't count the ones that they had as owners of the land from the Bible times over 3000 years ago) in the Middle East have amazingly put up several technologies and contributions that even many Arab Muslims who are citizens in Israel prefer tiny Israel to other Arab countries controlled by Islamic ideology.

Israeli has a peace pact with Egypt after the failed six-day Yom Kippur war where several Islamic countries came together to attack Israel at their prayer time and period of rest. Their vulnerable time but surprisingly, tiny Israel rose up and won the six-day war. A divine hand just like in the Old Testament of the Bible happened again in our modern times in 1973. Egypt and Syria led these other Islamic countries and sprang a surprise on Israel but were all defeated by this tiny Israel in 6-days.


All these goes to prove the Bible as true and not the qur'an. The God of the Bible, YWHW speaks and what HE says never returns back null and Void. If only the Muslims had someone like one of these Islamic scientists with Jewish ancestry to look up to instead of that dirtbag and illiterate prophet Muhammad. I swear Islam would have been more cleaner today instead of the several embarrassing lifestyle of Muhammad that Islam has to keep covering up with blasphemy and apostate laws where those who mentioned these from their own very books: qur'an and Hadiths are either killed or moves made to censor the internet and silence free speech by silencing these critics. That is even done sometimes here on Nairaland.

Notice that 80% of what stands in the way of Islam is nothing but the several of the embarrassing sayings and lifestyle of Muhammad. He is the best model for all Muslims to follow and when most people read up and investigate how he lived and the type of things he did. They are immediately repulsed by him.

CoronaVirusPro:
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Who is going to read all this thing


Please, read and summarize for me

Hahaha!
The funny thing is that I didn't even get to touch on virtually everything Free human posted. If I had done that. I guess lol! Nairaland will get filled up.

Masterpiece676:
Ah! Are you writing a project?

Lol!

Definitely, a project of exposing the lies of Atheists.

This is a response to FreeHuman. The response was too long so I had to make it into a post of its own.


Hmmm!
"Disbelief is naturally more intelligent than belief especially a belief system without concrete evidence". Funny enough this is coming from someone who believes an explosion from a state of previous Nothingness blew up and formed into this complex fine-turned Universe. Next time, try explaining to your son or daughter that a pencil was made from the explosion that happened at a burnt down China factory and see if that child of yours won't certainly think you are mad.

This is one of those ridiculous argument that Atheists use to perpetuate the silly claims that religious people are less intelligent, less rational and less capable of engaging in intellectual conversations and thinking.

For too long, Atheist Academics have done damage by spreading around this false propaganda especially against believers.
Now, let's look at some of these:

1) Atheist claim 1:

Atheists reject Religious beliefs because they are more rational.

This is a Correlation Causation Fallacy which tries to infer that Atheists reject Religious beliefs
because there is a causal relationship between Atheism and Rationality which has little to no evidence of causality. "Whether a belief is rational or irrational depends on whether the person holding it has sufficient justification for the belief". And doesn't depend on if the person holding it is intelligent or not. Take for instance, John Nash, who came from a Christian background (which supports my theory that Christians and those who left Christianity have a hand in virtually everything modern today). Nash was a highly intelligent Nobel laureate mathematician who suffered from paranoid schizophrenia and as result formed delusional beliefs about the World. A movie, called A beautiful mind was even made about him. Here was an intelligent Atheist who had several delusional beliefs that he had to be treated off&on for mental illness but the funny thing was he still was a Nobel laureate. Imagine for a second, if that was a Theist who suffered from these repeated case of mental illness like John Nash. The Atheist Community would have gone into fit of rage about how all of the intelligence from that Theist was no more valid because the theist exhibited this case of schziophrenism. John Nash was clearly delusional and mentally ill but was still one of the intelligent mind. Being an Atheist or Theist doesn't take out intelligence from minds that are genuises. Infact, Peer review studies inform us that Higher level of Intelligence causes people to develop a form of bias called Bias Blind Spot which leads to formation of beliefs from implicit biases instead of via rational and unbiased enquiry so what this infers is that people of higher intelligence do not really differ from people with lower intelligence in the likelihood of possessing 6 out of 7 of cognitive bias which are:

1) Outcome bias
2) Base-rate Neglect
3) Framing bias
4) Conjunction effect
5) Anchoring bias
6) Myside bias

People of higher cognitive abilities do not at all display lower levels of confirmation bias or other levels cognitive biases. Higher intelligent people are statistically not different from lower intelligent people based on cognitive biases instead what has been discovered is that higher intelligent people are ironically more likely than lower intelligent people to display a bias blind spot and are more likely to be unaware of their own biases when placed in comparison to the general population.

The point is that there are numerous psychological factors that contribute to how beliefs are formed. It is not just based on intelligence as Atheists outrageously claim it to be. I have come come across several Atheists who say that the only reason that they now subscribe to Atheism was because that their parents tried disciplining them and being prideful. They resented anything that has to do with authority of which God also looks like a higher authority figure. Hence, they completely reject any belief in God just so they can live in their little cocoons of they being in "charge of their purposeless lives" and they never answering to any higher power. Hence, the justification to live their lives immorally and otherwise.

Lol! A lot of Nigerian so called Atheists are on this train. They are just rebellious Olodos who think Atheism offers them the license to live as they so please. It is not that they are any intelligent. Many of them are blockheads that I have come across. This conclusively let's us know that there is nothing logically that follows that Atheism has a Correlation to Intelligence. Big lie!!!!!

Now, what I always tell these New baby Atheists is that lower Intelligence can be found amongst fundamentalist Atheists or religious fundamentalist irrespective of belief or disbelief. There are Christians who are just plain fundamentalist without the Holy Spirit and correct knowledge. Then there are those of course we can say with higher Intelligence, Bible Literarism and the Holy Spirit (The fruits)

Atheists love to make ridiculous claims but Christianity upon study has produced far more intelligent people than Atheism. It is a fact and facts don't care about your feelings or emotions like Ben Shapiro would always say.

Where are your data using Wechsler Adult Scale of Intelligence (WAIS) and Stanford Binet Test on how you surveyed Nigeria and came to the fallacious claim that Atheists are more intelligent than Christians or other Religious people. Where are the statistics? Or you are just one of those Beer Parlour Atheists who throw silly assertions in the air. A simple search of 100 most influential Nigerians past or present will simply show you that 98% of them are religious people with just 2% been Atheists. Academic achievement is a part of intelligence and Nigeria for instance even has Pastors who are First class PHD holders in Scientific fields like Mathematics. Many Nigeria Christians or even Muslims when sampled on even out of the country are on average B.Sc or M.Sc holders. Even in the US, UK, etcetera. Nigerians are one of the most highly educated people in places where Atheism is on the rise. Hence, Nigeria's problem is not Christianity which has contributed far more advantages than disadvantages. The problem remains the set of political leaders we have had since 1960.

There are studies that even show in post-Christian countries such as England, Atheists think less analytically than Theists.

"In Cultures where institutional religion is waning and where acceptance of atheism arises from tendencies to confirm, it is possible that cognitive reflection may predict the rejection of atheism, a matter of future investigation."
Gervais, will M, et al.
"Analytic Atheism: A Cross-Culturally weak and Fickle Phenomenon?" 2017, p.272.

What this infers is that people with low analytical Intelligence tend to just conform to Atheism probably due to it's propaganda that states once you are an Atheist. You are then regarded as "smart". This happens in places like the UK where religion is on the decline and Atheism seems the norm. In the US despite the silly propaganda by Atheists. More than 63% are still religious believers and that's because we have many highly intelligent Christian Scientists and Philosophers who present the argument for the rationality of the faith as against the irrationality of Atheism.

In conclusion it is the height of stupidity to suggest that higher levels of analytical thinking leads to Atheism or that belief in the concept of Nothingness and a life of no purpose is more rational than a reasonable, rational, logical and science observed process which is that order can never come from disorder. It is madness to assert otherwise.




2nd Response on Science Vs Christian:

This is the more reason I have always said that every Christian needs to read deeply and be an Apologist. For far too long. We have allowed the Atheists and evolutionists tell several lies and perpetuate different wrong myths. The Atheists for too long have used the Galileo story as their purported "evidence" to show that Science and Christianity is in conflict which is not true.

We have established already that Christianity for instance has produced far more Scientists, Philosophers, etc than Atheism. Infact, Atheism, Islam, etc has to credit Christianity because wherever you find a modern day atheist scientist. You find someone who came from a Judeo-Christian heritage and hence carries on the Judeo-Christian principles and values even if they fail to recognise that.

I am glad you admitted that Galileo Galilei, an Italian astronomer, physicist and engineer was first a Christian so this first of all gives credence to the fact that Science is never in conflict with Christianity. Now, no one disputes the fact that the Catholics did a couple of things that were not really biblical as instituted by Jesus Christ, the very Word of God and that is why the reformation happened (Topic for another day and for in-house religious people).

No disrespect to the Catholics. Personally, I feel there are good people in there who might want to reform the place from within. True Christianity is very easy to follow. You pick up your cross and follow Christ. Whatever Christ doesn't do. You don't do. Christianity is basically modeling after Christ Jesus. For me, the Catholics also played a huge part in pushing back the advancing Islamists who first took the lands of the Christians. A lot of people don't know this about the Crusades War but keep blaming the Catholics as regards the Crusades War but anyone who really has researched into the history of this would not help but give them kudos for raising an army that repelled the advancing Muslim army. If not for the Catholics. Christianity would have long gone extinct in Europe and won't probably be in the US or Nigeria for instance. There would have been no free world today as we have it. The Atheists won't be able to do all of what they do today. The Catholics played a role that Protestants or Evangelicals won't have been able to do as at that time. God is mysterious and HIS ways are higher than ours. If it were the Evangelicals. The War would have been a case of "Slap me and I will turn my other cheek for you to slap me more" which everyone knows is the principle of Jesus Christ and this is something Islam is taking advantage of even in this modern times. The Catholics of those periods did what they had to do to beat back the advancing Muslim army during the Crusades War (Topic for another day).

Back to what I was saying. The Galileo Galilei Science Vs Catholic clash story is actually more complicated than you would know unless you are the type who digs into history the more. Galileo Galilei discovered some pretty controversial things through his telescope. He discovered that Venus goes through Phases kind of like our moon. This discovery of his killed ancient astronomy but it didn't actually prove the Copernican view. There was a third alternative called the Tychonic view (16th Century) which stated that Earth is at rest in the middle of the universe. This was the ancient view and was in sync with the best evidence of that time. No experiment proved that Earth moved in the Tychonic view. The Sun in the Tychonic view goes around the Earth and this was the ancient Scientific view (Don't forget it was the Church that sponsored several of these ancient Scientific research). Now, Tycho Brahe presented his Tychonic view in such a way that it looked new and added that it was not just the Sun that goes round the Earth but that the other planets also go around the Earth including Venus which will produce the different phases that Galileo Galilei discovered via his Telescope but Galileo Galilei strategically sidelined the other scientist view which is the Tychonic view in his book that was under investigation by the inquisition.

The inquisition was right that Galileo Galilei exaggerated his case for his Copernican view by under-emphasizing the Tychonic view which was in sync with the best scientific evidence available as at that time by the 16th century Christian Scientists and the Church.

Another thing most people don't know is that Galileo Galilei wanted to teach his own Church the Truth. Galileo Galilei and his Church agreed and affirmed two things which were:

1) The Bible was without error
2) Science can find truth.

But where the Church and Galileo Galilei disagreed on was how to interpret these two sources of truth:

3) Nature
4) Scripture

Further more, it was not like the Whole Church was against Galileo Galilei like these unlearned Atheists would have you believe. There were Christians scientists and Theologians on Galileo Galilei's side (Pro-Galileo Christian Scientists and Theologians) and those Scientists and Theologians who were against Galileo Galilei obviously on the side of Tycho Brahe and those who queued against him were in the majority so this was clearly a case of two Camps of Christian Scientists fighting to be regarded as the authority on Solar Science and not a case of just the Church (religious fanatics) fighting against Science like these unlearned Atheists would have you believe. Just know that this false rendition of theirs actually goes against factual history as they would want to have you believe that the Galileo story proves that Science is in some sort of Warfare with Christianity. You have to understand that there are nuances to the story that proves otherwise. It was a complicated, messy event that ended up as a source of embarrassment for the Catholic church till date but the playing up of the event by these Atheists making it look like Galileo was martyr for Science is really ridiculous. Atheists in recent times have played up the lie that it represents Science. Any reasonable person knows there are just too many holes in Evolution and Big Bang Theory that these both are "Pseudo-Science Myths" spread around by these New Atheists who have infiltrated our educational institutions everywhere. Galileo had to recant his Copernican view. Also charged with vehement suspicion of heresy and had to live under House arrest at his comfortable rural Estate, Villa II Gioiello, on the hillside outskirts of Florence. Galileo Galilei was not burned. A generation after him. Science improved and it was discovered that his Copernican view was found to be true and Church Theologians on his side of the different Views about the Earth presented in his time also came forward with the clear interpretation that the Bible actually supports the Copernican view of Galileo Galilei as against Scientist Tycho Brahe's view which ancient Science supported and Theologians who were on
Tycho's side clearly misinterpreted the Bible.

Understand that during Galileo Galilei's time. Different Scientific views were brought forward by these Christian Scientists and Galileo Galilei was one of them with his own Copernican view. Anyone who reads several Scientific history regularly will understand that this plays out most times in Science. If I ask anyone here on who invented Early Motion Picture Camera and the first person to shoot a moving picture sequence using a single lens camera and a strip of paper film. Everyone would say it is Thomas Edison and the Lumeire Brothers but do you know some years before them. A French man, Louis le Prince in the late 1800s was the first man to invent and do this. He was coming down to the US to Premier his invention. He was last seen by his family to board the train in September, 1890 but never got out alive till today. Infact, no one can tell what exactly happened to Louis till today. He simply just disappeared from the surface of the Earth. Some few years after. Thomas Edison and the other Lumeire brothers were credited as the inventors but upon the French man's son going to court to bring concrete evidences of which he really did that his father was actually the first to do that before Thomas Edison. The Frenchman's son was also mysteriously killed till today. No one till today knows what to make of these but everyone now knows that the French man was the first with this invention before Thomas Edison and the other brothers. You can even see the first capture by this French man some years before Thomas Edison on the internet.

Thomas Edison has been found to have been really shady destroying the reputation and works of several other inventors in other to own several patents of inventions to himself. He became quite rich from several court cases. We know now that Nikola Tesla died a poor man despite his inventions that Thomas Edison went with the credit. These always plays out with whatever Humans handle whether Religion or Atheism


This is becoming quite lengthy as I need to create a post for this. Lol! For your information like you said based on Reason. A Christian Latina lady by name, Lupe Hernandez invented the Hand Sanitizers in 1966 so lol! We have reason like you said and we also have Faith. There is nothing you clowns- Atheists have. Even your Big Bang Theory was first proposed by a Catholic Jesuit Priest, George Lemaitres. That's how stupid Atheists are. They don't even own the foundation of their "disbelief system".

I don't even want to go into how Atheism has killed more people than Religion. It is a topic for another day.




Much respect to Seun. I don't know Seun's current state but I sense that even he is probably Agnostic now and not really an Atheist. Agnostics are more smarter than the dumb Atheists. At least they understand from Science that there could be a higher power or not. They understand that there is just too much complexity to the universe of ours that one just can't say like the foolish Atheists that there is totally no God. The Agnostics are like in the middle ground but you won't notice this because the Atheists love attaching just about everything and everyone to their miserable selves to give themselves some sort of succour from the hopelessness of their disbelief.

Even Seun knows to pay respect to a Christian Scientist like Charles Baggage who contributed to the set up of Computers. Seun definitely came from a Christian background, right? So you kind of still prove my argument. It is like every Atheist must run and cling to Seun. Lol! Who else aside Seun?!!

Free human, Bluezy13 , Nairalandmonika
Gemineye, Flipmode squad,

FlipModeSquade:
Maybe you should do yourself a favor and do same thing you are advocating?

Read and comprehend..

Where in my write up did I say or alluded that Hinduism and Buddhism are a brand of Atheism?

You made a claim that Christianity contributed to the origin of other FALSE RELIGIONS and since to you that means ANY religion that is NOT Christianity..

Hence my reference to the two religions..

Go back,read and comprehend..

Funny how you lack comprehension ability and yet want to call people out?

You are trying too hard to play the higher intelligence card,pipe down..

Are you arguing for Religion now or still arguing for Atheism because you are beginning to speak like one with a bi-polar disorder (Sorry, this is not intended as an insult)


Pipe down on your delusions and leave the religious debate to those of us in that section where we can present our Arguments and see which of us represents the truth.

For now, we are dealing in a debate of those who believe in a concept of God and those with total disbelief in the concept of God. Stick to the topic and quite this diversionary tactic of trying to clutch to any and or all sort of religious concepts in other to prove Atheism as being true. It doesn't work that way.

FlipModeSquade:
Atheism is as old as the dawn of man..

Hinduism and Buddhism and other so called FALSE RELIGION are THOUSANDS OF YEARS older than Christianity..

But somehow you want us to believe that without Christianity and its CONTRIBUTIONS,they would never have existed ?

Delusion..

I don't understand if you Atheists know how to read. Please just go and pick your dictionary and check the meaning of the Word, Atheism and check out the meaning of Occultism, Hinduism, Buddhism. By their very definition. They are not the same. Occultism is the belief in an evil supernatural and Magic of which Atheism completely denies. You can even hear many top Atheists say this most times. Hinduism and Buddhism are religious groups. This completely negates the core foundation of what Atheism is.

How can you claim to be a non-believer in God and gods and next claim to Hinduism and Buddhism are Atheism. Which kind foaming for mouth dey worry Una self?


Geez! From which Community grammar school. Did you graduate from?

Nwaonyishi69:
You talk coherently but you miss some key issues; which I don't know if you deliberately did. The highest inventors are Israelis, are they Christians? The system in the west where truth, merit, nationalism and accountability work may be the basis of their success. Every religion, ones turned to opium for sedation of the masses can never lift a nation eg as is in Sudan, Saudi, Afghanistan, Pakistan, Nigeria, Zimbabwe etc. When religion turns the leaders (pastors, prophets, priests, overseers, imams etc) to broods of vipers, it can not save; so, it becomes a vampire (as in Babylon system). Therefore, gathering people to pay tithes for you to buy jets cannot be the way Christianity would forster science and good values. Remember the good Samaritan that our lord used to make illustration. Remember that our religions are for prosperity and only as deep as our lips; and it shall be more difficult for a rich man to make heaven than passing a Carmel through the eyes of a needle. Science comes from a genuine search for truth not genuine search for deception as we show in our religions and public lives in Nigeria.

The highest so called inventors like you said. I don't know where you got this fact from but even if we go by your argument. You still support his claims and not that of Atheism as his central argument is much of what we enjoy in this modern age from the Western World is all due to the Judeo-Christian principles, values and contributions.

Certainly not Atheism.

Nairalandmonika:
Oga calm down, must of those people you claim were Christian were just Christian for formalities. Europe at a time had this very Nigeria mentally u had, they believe in witchcraft and every other rubbish u believed in now.
Christianity was such a dreaded and fearful religion b4, u dare not disbelief or question the pope. So most people had no choice than to be Christians.
Even Charles Darwin, father of evolution was a Christian. that should tell u alot about how Christianity was back then.

You give credence to what I have been saying of lately. The fact that Christians actually owns every inch of modern civilization.

Check every form of Philosophy, Teachings, False Religions, Science, Atheism, Islam, Grail Message, Eckanar, etcetera. If you check the Historicity of a these. It is surprising and amazing how you discover how it is former Christians who had a hand in starting them all. It is a pattern I have been seen in my researches.

I guess Jesus Christ is correct about HIS followers truly been the light of the World and about how Satan seeks to deceive the very elect (the Chosen ones) of Jesus Christ and Satan actually achieves that for Christians who remained not steadfast and who allowed their light to dim or their salt to lose it's taste. He converts them to his darkness and uses their exceptional talents Christ placed in them and discards them after to destruction after he, Satan is done with their talents here on Earth. I find it amazing that it is not Atheists who are Atheists from the very beginning that starts up most of these Philosophies, false religions, etc. It is usually fallen away Christians who do.


This is why I usually tell Christians. You have to be very sound and alive to discern every move by Satan to use you in pursuing forward his goals. These Atheists are usually not that smart. It is usually the fallen Christians who were former Christians themselves or came from Christian background and heritage that are mostly effective for Satan and not all these blockhead natural Atheists.

Look at the history of Islam. We can conclusively say that a Christian, Waraqa and his cousin, Khadijah deceived Muhammad, a former innocent young man into believing that he was a prophet when all Muhammad wanted to do was commit suicide by jumping off the mountain from the demon tormenting him. I see a lot of Christians doing same thing today where instead of telling Muslims the truth about Jesus Christ and their need for Him if not no Eternal life for them. They will deceptively tell them that there is no need as we all are worshipping the same God. This is not true. The legacy lifestyle of Muhammad in comparison to Jesus Christ or even in comparison to the life of Paul (Bulus in Arabic as told us by the Islamic Tafsirs) after submitting to Jesus Christ. We see how awful Muhammad lived and every Muslim is supposed to model their life after that of Muhammad. This is pure hatred of your Muslim brother or sister. Tell them the truth so you save their souls from the torment of Gehenna. Waraqa who was a Christian translating the New Testament to Arabic wrongly misinterpreted the Bible and told Muhammad that going by what he saw in the Bible that Muhammad was certainly a prophet of God. For the few times that Waraqa was alive and feeding Muhammad with the names of Judeo-Christian entities like Angel Gabriel (Jibril), Moses (Musa), etc. That Muhammad was formerly unaware of. That part of Islam was a little peaceful but immediately Waraqa and Khadijah, the Christians died. Revelations stopped for Muhammad and what next followed was the mad sayings, violent ones, his Pedophilia acts with a child, his Snatching of his adopted son's wife, him personally beheading 900 Jews in one day, etcetera till his death by poisoning.


Atheism same thing. Even Seun of Nairaland comes from a Christian heritage. Check out all the top Atheists you know of. Even the late Christopher Hitchens was from a Christian background and do you know the shameful thing that happened was that while he went over to Atheism and became such a prominent hater and abuser of God before his death by cancer. His younger brother, Peter Hitchens remained a Theist and wrote several books challenging his elder brother, Christopher Hitchens. It was amazing seeing two blood brothers debating. One on the side of God and one on the side of Satan. They were both brothers, authors and highly intelligent people. The only thing was Christopher Hitchens spoke all type of insults to the face of God before his death via cancer. Peter Hitchens is still alive.


Jehovah Witness started by a former Presbyterian, Charles Taze Russell. I don't want to elaborate on the background for now and how there were many contemporaries of his time that he deviated from who warned about the attachment to prophecies of which many of the Jehovah Witnesses Prophecies turned out false. If only Russell had heeded to this fellow Christian contemporaries of his time.


Same thing Eckanar. Same for Grail Message. Their founders come from Christian backgrounds and fell away to satanic revelations and Teachings. Same for Charles Darwin, who fell away to invent Evolution and it's embarrassing that about 180 years now after his first submission of evolution that Science still can't find the collaboration of the fossil records he claimed with Evolution. There is so much conflict between these. Then there are true Christians that have stayed loyal on the part of Christ even by today standards despite many other Christians in supposed Christian nation's like in the US and Europe have fallen away to Atheism. Still, many Christians remain standing with Jesus Christ and using their talents to draw others to Christ, strengthen the knowledge of Christians, oppose the falsehood by people like you(I very well know that you yourself come from a Christian background. It will be worst for individuals like yourself when you stand before Christ in judgement because you once knew the truth and succumbed to the deceptions of Satan probably due to one or two issues you experienced in your personal life and hence you gave up on God Jesus).

Sweeetheart:
Nigeria Atheist are the most dumbest Atheist in the world. They believe on something but want to you to abandoned your own belief

I don't know how senseless some human can choose to be, very anyhow human being

Atheists don't believe in "Something". They believe in the concept of Nothingness. Life is purposeless under Atheism.

FlipModeSquade:
He is not ready for a debate because he claimed Atheism beget science..

But you are okay with your claims that only Christianity contributed to science?

Seems to me you are the one shying away from a debate..

It is funny your moniker is the name of the group that a very intelligent rapper that I used to like in the past, Busta Rhymes belonged to.

You know that guy is correct. Several Christians did indeed contributed to Science. It is fact and facts don't care about your opinions and emotions.

Bluezy13:
This is all you could come up with...

Do more research.

This was what I was about to tell you to do.

And not those "Do more research". Also, a wise researcher checks the background and credibility of where the source of his research comes from.

Believe you me, one glance at your posts. I already know where most of your sources come from which are most certainly conspiracy sources.

FlipModeSquade:
You can give a song and a dance all you want..

But you still haven't answered the question..

How did this so called Intelligent Creator came to be?

Abi he came out of his own version of the Big Bang?

I am sorry if your inability to read and comprehend things has kept you from the answer up there in my post.


It is disappointing as I was even expecting an intelligent response from you on me to expand on the two arguments which are the Cosmological argument and the Kalam argument. It's heartbreaking that you could not comprehend what I wrote up there before. Not my fault certainly.

InvertedHammer:
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Those are rhetorical questions that no sane being would claim to have the answers. Any attempt at those, hold your wallet well.

There are only a few christians in Nigeria. Going to church is not the definition of Christianity. But most so-called Christians believe it is all that is required. Most of you are empty vessels who "visit" the church due to herd mentality. Some of you live worse than atheists in utterances and action. How come Catholics, Anglicans, Pentecostals and others rarely get along in Nigeria? Yet you claim to be Christians.

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Do all Atheists get along?

InvertedHammer:
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Those are rhetorical questions that no sane being would claim to have the answers. Any attempt at those, hold your wallet well.

There are only a few christians in Nigeria. Going to church is not the definition of Christianity. But most so-called Christians believe it is all that is required. Most of you are empty vessels who "visit" the church due to herd mentality. Some of you live worse than atheists in utterances and action. How come Catholics, Anglicans, Pentecostals and others rarely get along in Nigeria? Yet you claim to be Christians.

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No true Christian who doesn't know that not all church goers who go to church everyday are all Christians.

I don't know what you stand to gain by repeating what's already known.

Bluezy13:
Hmmm...
Your head is still empty.

Do more research.

Wooden head

Bluezy13:
I doubt you actually saw the four walls of a tertiary institution.

Atheism begat science.
Atheism gave rise to science.
The ancient philosophers through their doubtful mind of nature, of God, of mankind, ended up inventing almost everything you are enjoying today.
A little research should tell you that the history of all fields of study started with philosophers who were Occultists...Atheists.
They paved way for civilization.
Even ancient Egypt where civilization is believed to have started... although factually...traces of civilization can be found in other African countries such as Ethiopian... was never a Christian place.
Only ignoramuses tend to attribute civilization to Christianity when its roots can be traced to paganism.

Funny enough, fellow dumb beings of your category whose little research and study could have reset their brains are busy commending your daftness.

I doubt you understand the meaning of these words "Occultists" and "Atheists".

By their sole definitions. These two have no business together. I guess you just love to bamboozle people who might not really know these things.

Atheism gave no rise to Science. I don't know what school you studied this at. You even mentioned Egypt. It is clear you do not understand what civilization is defined as. You only have a little semblance of what it means. In your own words: "Egypt paved way for civilization".

Meaning that Egypt civilization was just one form of World civilizations. There was prehistoric Egypt and many other civilizations and contributions made by other civilizations in the oneness of what we call humanity as a whole. It will be dishonest of me or any Christian to say only Christians made contribution to civilization. Muslims too made their own contribution to civilization during their golden age. Although, they don't replicate this today because of the despicable legacy lifestyle of the Pedophile Prophet Muhammad that they model after but you can not deny that in the past that they made their own contribution too.

Any scholar who has studied modern day civilization will come to a conclusion of the great contribution that Judeo-Christian principles and values have made to the Western World of which every other nationality kind of copies today.

Another crazy lie of yours is that Ethiopia was never a Christian place. I don't know what wrong history book you have been reading but know it that even in the 7th century when Muhammad was alive. There were already Ethiopian Christian Churches that he came across. The Bible was already in use. Hundreds of years before the 7th Century period of Muhammad. Some of the earliest Christian Philosophers were of African origin.

joe4christ:
You're so delusional. Your situation is beyond redemption!

You know you are the delusional one calling someone else "delusional" or you don't know the meaning of the word "delusional"?!!


Hahahaha! How can your moniker be "joe4Christ" and yet you go against Christ?

On what side of the argument are you on?
Christ? Or Atheism?

Bluezy13:
Learning is not tedious but requires a little effort.

A little research would have saved you from this unfounded opinion.
If you don't understand something, make a research, use your phone.

Absurd that the one who needs to humble himself before the Creator and observe how everything bears witness to HIS act of creation will say to another one who has done more research than him to go do research. Funny enough, he himself who claims to have done the research gives no proof to his assertions.

Interesting times we live in!!!

Bluezy13:
I thought as much
Your head is empty.

Cretin who believes nothing made something. Next time, try explaining to your child that the pencil in his or her hand was made by chemicals blowing up in a burnt down China factory and see if that child will not look at you as being stupid.

[quote author=Nairalandmonika post=87737246][s]What's with the all noice of science being faithful believers. Anyone can be a scientist, atheist, Christians, Muslim, Jewish, any single person can be a scientist. it wasn't written anywhere that only Christians are scientist.
Albert Einstein was not an atheist, so?
Neither was he a Christian, look at Nigeria today, if Christianity was the holy Grail and all in all in science how come Nigeria Christians can't produce toothpick.[/s]


This fallacious statement of yours is the reason why Christians need to get real educated and start challenging most of your Atheists and your delusions. I don't see any Atheist on the List of some recognised Nigeria Inventors rather what I see are just majorly Christian and Muslim Nigerian Inventors:

Samuel Achilefu
Mohammed Bah Abba
Silas Adekunle
Ndubuisi Ekekwe
Jelani Aliyu
And several more.

What we see is a case of "monkey dey work, baboon dey chop"

The religious people invents stuffs. The lazy deluded Atheists strolls in and makes outrageous claims about the religious people not producing even a "pen" when he is the one who clearly has not done that. If you are so intelligent like you claim then prove your "higher" intelligence by becoming one. Crazy people!!!



[s]You believe so much in science but you don't believe carbon dating which shows Earth is 6 billion yrs old as oppose to Christianity.
You believe in science but you don't believe dinosaurs existed.[/s]

I believe you are educated enough to know that even within the Science Community that there is a debate to the reliability of Carbon dating plus Christianity is in no conflict with Science. Almost all the earliest scientists where Christians. Carbon dating is a broad topic of which I am not getting into now.

[s]Guy no body is forcing you to be an atheist but just leave science out of it, there's no relationship between science and religion or even atheism.

You are talking of a creator, have u ever ask yourself were the creator came from. You say they cannot be existence without a creator but how did the creator exist.

I wonder how it's logical that they must be a creator for existence to happen. So how did the so call creator exist since they must be a creator for something to exist.

The truth is u have been fed with Christianity from baby, it will be very difficult to change your mindset, same thing with a Muslim person. It's not easy to change one's believe. You need a high level of intelligent to see that all this religion are tools use to manipulate you[/s]

Same here Brother

I am not forcing you to be a religious person but know it that it takes a low intellect capacity to actually believe that nothing created all of these awesomeness here. Your brain alone is made of an average of a 100billion cells that keep growing till you demise.
That alone should bring any reasonable person to the only reasonable conclusion that serious intelligent thought was put into everything that was made. It would be foolish of anyone to say that Atoms blowing up precisely filled this powerful brain with 100 billion of cells that coordinate so well with your Psyche which is the totality of your mind- conscious and unconscious aspects of it.

Mizwisdom:
You have raised valid points, permit me to post this in religion section.

Thanks

Bluezy13:
Hmmm...


You obviously talk too much.

Airhead.

[quote author=Bluezy13 post=87735871][s]It is pertinent that one uses his common sense when making an argument.

Not all Atheists believe think science answers all questions.
Not all Atheists believe in Dawkins and Big Bang theory or evolution.
Not all Atheists go about shouting down their believe in people's throats.
Not all Atheists care whether Christianity is true or not.
Don't be fallacious in your generalisation.
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Although, you reject God made your brain but use it for once. Any Atheist who basically makes claims as to all of these steps of yours is no longer an Atheist.

All you have basically proved to me is that the definition of an Atheist is one who is sceptical of everything, knows nothing for sure but goes back trying to force those with a sense of certainty into a state of ridiculous uncertainty and scepticism like themselves.

FlipModeSquade:
So who Created this Creator that created everything?

Did he materialize out of thin air?

A very Ignorant question obviously from someone who doesn't know anything. The answer is already obvious to anybody with a healthy brain. It is not really a smart question and shows a lack of deficiency on the part of the questionnaire. Which will you logically side with? A person who thinks the Big Bang Theory holds true and that the universe came from nothing or the one who holds to the fact that base of repeated observable pattern. Only a being with intelligence possessing a mind who was first uncaused can be the cause of the universe. It is pure logic. Nairaland was not invented by the ramblings and explosion of computer screens in Seun's room. A mind outside of Nairaland with intelligence conceived and created Nairaland. A mind first thought it out before it was created. Particles according to Big Bang myth are incapable of that.

1) The Cosmology bears evidence to this fact of a God. A Creator.
2)The Kalam cosmological bears evidence to this.


Now we could break these two arguments further to prove that the Universe was made by an intelligent Creator. The fine-tuning of the universe with such precise settings bears witness to this fact.

[quote author=Bluezy13 post=87736070][s]
Be reasonable and base your points on facts.

The ancient philosophers were all Occultists.
They were atheists.
Only that there are different categories of Atheism.
Those who do not believe in the existence of God and don't care.
Those who don't care about the existence of God.
Those who doubt the existence of God[/s]


If only you quit skipping your reading class. You won't display the illiteracy you do here. Well, some of us here on Nairaland have gone past lying fallacies of yours and wrong knowledge. You can only do that with Ignorant individuals.

First, you divert the topic to something entirely different from what is being discussed and next you go to make another silly claim like Atheists usually do. You claim that all ancient Philosophers were occultists and also Atheists. First, you clearly wasted your school fees. By the very definition of being an Atheist. You can't be one and also be an occultists as occultists believe in an evil supernatural and Magic and lol! An Atheist defined is someone who denies this.

Second, Occultist as a term popped up only in the 16th century to describe magic, alchemy, etc which is opposite to what Atheism is.
Third, the first set of Philosophers were Christians. Where do you want me to start this lengthy discussion is from the end of the 1st/2nd to the 7th Century hundreds of years even before Muhammad&Islam when Patristics was the norm. The study of Christian Philosophers/Writers/Fathers. Men like Tertullian who was even of African origin. Men like Irenaeus who was a disciple of Polycarp who was a disciple of one of the disciples of Jesus called John the Evangelist. Men like Augustine. Even till today what Augustine put down. Atheists still find it hard going against it. Men like Origen, etcetera. I could go on and on before coming down to the medieval periods of the 9th to 13th century when great Christian Philosophers like Thomas Aquinas, etcetera reigned supreme. His writings till today is awesome. Before you know come down to the Pre-modern Christian Philosophy periods of the 14th century down to this modern periods where great Christian Philosophers today like Dr. Williams Lane Craig (whom top Atheists like Richard Dawkins is afraid of debating). Others like John Lennox, Gary Habermas, Mike Lacona, etcetera even recently. David Wood became a Dr. In Philosophy and has been debating top notched Atheist like Matt Dill just this month.

What crap are lying through your satanic buccal cavity that all ancient Philosophers were occultists. Name me one ancient occultist Philosopher and I will show you how that they were never Atheists as Atheists don't believe in magic or prayer and most of these occultist Philosophers engaged in these so how can you call them Atheist Philosophers?!!

You know you crèche Atheists lie so much that for once someone like me has to start calling out all you people's lies, deception and delusion.

[s]These three categories are all Atheists.
Now the last category is mainly where the philosophers belonged to.
They sought to discover and prove the existence of God, whether it exist or not, whether it is this same God everybody worships. Whether it is the Christian God or not.
Whether it is an unfathomable supreme being or intelligence.
It is their unbelief that makes them ask questions.

Almost all the things you enjoy now are a product of these philosophers.
Do your research.
[/s]

Bunch of B.S that can only convince Ignorant individuals as I have already shown you how even before medieval periods. Christian Philosophers were already in writings opposing the heretics/gnostic writings that most people now term the lost books of the Bible/occultist Philosophers.

SenecaTheYonger:
Lol I like how no one can challenge his point. A bunch of low IQ Illiterate acting like the science they so worship weren’t started by Christians but will castigate the religion despite not even matching up to a quarter of these scientists accomplishments except for being online warriors

Atheists if they are so Science inclined should provide us the cure. They wait for Scientists of whom many are so faith based individuals. After the Science guys get it done. Then they creep like Satan does who counterfeits everything Godly and make outrageous claims about Atheism is Science which is pure fallacy.

Even Einstein was never an Atheist. It is more logical to assert that there is a Creator, an intelligent designer to the Universe. A Creator outside of it and not bound by matter. Particles don't create something abstract like emotions that humans are endowed with. Big bang tries to say Particles did but observable Science lets us know that order can never emerge from disorder

The fine-tuning of this universe and everything in it alludes to a higher designer with higher intelligence. Particles don't possess intelligence to do that. You won't see a phone and think an explosion in a China factory made the phone. It's crazy you know but this is what the deluded Atheists are forcing us to believe in while denying the logical conclusion which is a God made this.

You can't see the Wind to know that the Wind exists. They ask for God to appear to them like he would follow their terms after they mock him.

All of Creation bears witness to a Creator. QED!!!

staga:
Nada, except their continuous noisemaking. They forget that the mechanism of immune response was a mechanism designed by God Almighty when animals and humans were created. He even gave rules as to what we should eat and avoid, but the Chinese people no dey hear word. Their love for shark fin soup, ivory, rhino horn and other exotic stuff is creating poaching, extinction and new diseases.

All the new diseases of the last 20 years, from avian influenza to this new one all originated in China. Ah ah!

Like Trump will call it, the Chinese Virus.

I feel like China is secretly engaging in some sort of bio-war against the rest of the world especially the US. We are not even done with the Chinese Virus (Covid-19). Another one is out called Hatana Virus from same China. They have got like 1.4 billion people and they are like Atheistic in worldview so they test these viruses on their own people. It kills a few probably like a million (nothing much compared to China's population) before allowing the viruses hit other countries where they know it's going to do major damage as most countries depend on China and most won't suspect that this is some war from China.

Economy collapse totally everywhere and everyone runs to China to buy from them and boom! If we are not careful. China replaces America as the World Power.

I might be wrong but that's just how I feel now.

Jeromejnr:
I have been seeing some deluded Athiest on here bashing religion and saying things like all religions (especially Christianity) are waiting for scientists to find a cure then they will thank God instead of the scientists.

First of all, many of those scientists are Christian's.

Secondly, most of the drugs you enjoy today were discovered by Christians e.g. Penicillin.

Thirdly, Hospitals were first founded by Christians.

Fourthly, United States were most of these cures come from was founded by strong Christian fathers who gave the country a good foundation.

Lastly, Athiests enjoy the benefits of Christian prayers today (although they don't know it). Because of this, most of them are still alive. But with that same breath, they choose to curse God.

So the question is, what has Athiesm contributed to the world?

Atheists are mostly deluded people who read a thing or two from Dawkins and think that they are now more "Science inclined" than everyone one else.

It is crazy how they say that they are "logical" when they believe in such thing as Big Bang and Evolution. The funny thing is these oncepts of Nothingness that they believe in was first put forward by a Catholic Jesuit Priest so the very foundation of their non-belief in God is not even owned by them.

They ingnore the Kalam evidence, etcetera in other to stick with their chidish display of New Atheism where everyone is basically shouted down and insulted if they don't accept the Atheist Delusion.

Omoluabi16:
How did a surgeon become this. Even bin laden was a structural engineer. Radicalization is a terrible thing.

Islam my brother.

The ideology of a 7th Century illiterate masked as revelations from the Almighty.
Nothing else.

ReeLoaDead:
I see you are embarrassed to state your stance ....
Mr Creationist ... KONTINUE

You say that I am embarrassed to state my stance and you also call me "Mr. Creationist".

Does that state something about your personality?!! Plus you shy away from my first questions so we could begin the discussion on your belief in a myth called Evolution masked as being Scientific.

Lol!

ReeLoaDead:
Why are you embarrassed about your creationism?
State what you believe in and then we can discuss further ...

Okay.

I see you are incapable of discussing Evolution.
No problem.
I see the dodge tactics.

Nice one!!

Dedetwo:
Please write intelligently. Trump has nothing to do with the stupidity in Nigeria. Trump announced that a French study showed that Chloroquine appears to be effective against the novel virus.

Bros!

You beat me to this statement.

I wonder why some people will behave stupidly by abusing drugs and blaming it on Trump.