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ReeLoaDead:
Sooooooo ... do you believe in creationism?

Brother!

You are beginning to act dodgy in a way I don't like.

You said Evolution is Science and I said it is a myth that is made to look like it is backed by Science.

I said let's discuss this view of yours and I kicked the ball rolling by asking you some questions as regards Evolution so that we can start and you are yet to respond to any of them. You are very sure of Evolution being solid so why are you scared of discussing it since this is what you subscribe to. You should be happy someone is asking you about it and you should try to convince me about it so probably I can join you in believing that instead of dodging the questions.

Let me re-post the questions again so we can start.


What do you mean by evolution?
What do you mean by theory?
What is meant by a fact in science?
Why is fossil record the biggest obstacle to the myth of evolution today?
Why did Charles Darwin in his book: the origin of species consider the black race to be closer to the Gorillas than the White race? (No disrespect that is you because I don't subscribe to this stupid evolutionary myth)
Why this silly racist notion in something that is claimed to be scientific?
Scientific methods are supposed to be observable and can be repeated... That's why it is Science, right?

Can you give me just one observable and repeated "evolutionary change" that happened that saw a specie go from one kind to an entirely different kind? Get the question correct. In the adaptations described by Charles Darwin. He said this is possible and would happen but unfortunately what we have noticed is that bacteria stay the same. They might be several variations of it. Same for fishes, dogs, etc so please can you give me a real scientific proof of one specie that you know that went from an entirely different kind to another kind totally? And the year that this happened?


Let's talk energy, life, DNA and their origins.



Waiting for you.

[quote author=LordReed post=87606480][s]Bwahahahahahaha! I can't even. Look at who is calling someone a dimwit, trying to take 2 brain cells literally. OMFD! What a stupid, dull, cretinous, dipshit. LMFAO! No wonder, you don't understand English. I have been wasting time with a simpering simpleton idiot.

You are dullard and not worth anymore time. Adios idiota[/s]


Birdbrain a.k.a Wooden Head a.k.a Peasant Reed.

Ninny Meathead. Empty Numbskull. You are just realising that you are a nonentity that wasted my time. Olodo, that doesn't know anything. You a Baboon. Dingbat.

You are not worth my feaces in the toilet.

[quote author=LordReed post=87602820][s]Apparently the 2 brain cells are dead. You are so stupid you don't understand simple English any more[/s].

Peasant Reed a.k.a Wooden Head. I swear you are the trinity of stupidity: Nitwit, Dimwit and a Halfwit. I swear me discussing with you is doing you a big favour today. You really need help. To show that you are an illiterate.

What do you mean by 2 brain cells?!! You don't even know Science also?!!
Olodo, who told you that the brain is made of 2 cells. No wonder you can't comprehend anything factual. Hahahaha! That's because your brain was made of only 2 cells. I see why you are really hopeless and why you brain can't power up properly.

Uneducated numbskull. Each Brain made by Jesus Christ and in any normal human being is made of an average 100 billion cells. This is why we as humans can make this so much advancement. This is why we are smarter than any other kind of Specie on Earth.

I swear you are an under-developed midget.


[s]I said to you it is fallacious to say everybody agrees Jesus is a historical figure then you interpret it as I am saying Jesus is not a historical figure. See how dumb you are? Of course one can't have a proper discussion with a dry shit ffor brains like you.

You are merely looking for who to fight, as you believe you have unseen enemies. Good luck with that shit.[/s]

That is not how we started our argument. Your conversation keeps bending with each post you make. You even asked I gave you evidence of the Historicity of Jesus Christ different from what history recorded about HIM as you won't be accepting any from authority and you made claims to suggest that the Gospel scriptures are not reliable.

You are a snake but I will easily crush you, Snake Head.

[quote author=LordReed post=87601807][s]Dummies like you keep fighting imaginary enemies. Shit for brains repeat for the last time stùpido I am not denying Jesus historicity. I hope the single brain cell and the half dead one you still possess can process that simple statement. Dry shit for brains.[/s]

Pea-brain Cretin Spoony Shit for brains Coot.

Just go investigate all the evidences I have given you.

Wooden Head a.k.a run-of-the-mill Reed a.k.a Peasant Reed.

I doubt you even know what exactly you are arguing.

"I am not denying Jesus historicity" and next provides me with a man who is in denial of Jesus Christ's historicity.

Are you normal?!!

What exactly are you then arguing?!!

"I don't accept evidences from authority". Next, you ask I provide you evidences from thin air as against all the ones from Authority that I have provided you.


"Tacitus didn't mention Christ Jesus"
Boom! Next, I give you how Tacitus mentions Christ Jesus and even of his crucifixion by one of their Roman Ruler- Pilate. You starting talking next with spittle dribbling than your loud stinking unbrushed mouth about how Tacitus, a Roman Senator should have written "Details&Epistles" about Jesus Christ like he was a follower of Jesus Christ. Even if Tacitus had written epistles like Matthew, Luke, etc did. You would still come up with another silly excuse of him not talking about how Jesus Christ drank water and what cup Jesus used and how it is not reliable.


Hahahaha!!
You are hopeless oh!
And you are mentally sick.
You just don't know it.

alicestockings:
you have bought into the lies of the archons, they control you with their corrupted "holy" text...

you are not serving the god of gods, but the demiurge. that irreverent child of sophia that sought to mimic the monad and vomited out his own creation, the twisted plane of the material, as a corrupted mirror of the spiritual.

seek gnosis, wayward child. cast the blinders off your eyes and wake up. eliminate that wicked hatred from your heart by casting off the chains of the archons that play with you like a puppet.

You smoke some pretty good weed, you know.

[quote author=LordReed post=87598791][s]Yeah dullard how many times did I repeat that I am not denying Jesus existed. But dunce shit for brains like you without 2 brain cells to rub together, can't keep focus.

Produce evidence for the historicity of Jesus got you into a frenzy of nonsense. It shows you have no idea of the things you say and simply rely on authorities, shouting about how scholars did this and didn't do that. Have you bothered to actually understand the evidence they present or you just interested in parroting what you've heard? An honest person would have gone ahead to present evidence not attempt to deflect to all the nonsense you went through.

You remain stùpid because you refuse to focus on facts.[/s]

One word for you: Mumu.

I doubt you even know the meaning of the word "evidence".

I have given you evidence from historians of antiquity like Tacitus. There are others like Pliny the younger (61-113AD), Suetonius (69-140AD), and many more. On the Jewish side. I have given you evidences from the Mishnah, Talmud. The qur'an although not entirely accurate 800-900 years after the Bible is long being used in Churches said Jesus Christ existed and is forever alive with God now. Even the Muslims are waiting on HIS return to fight the Dajjal.

In the Bible itself. Hundreds of evidences of those who witnessed Jesus Christ but stupid dolt like you don't want none of these evidences.

2700 years and more after the resurrection and ascension of Jesus. No true modern Scholar doubts the Baptism and Crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Scholars like Dr. Williams Lane Craig, etc has debated several individuals and the truth about Jesus Christ still stands till today.


Top Schools like Harvard, Oxford, etc all have countless of studies and departments dedicated solely to Jesus Christ alone much more than any other figure on Earth. None of these Schools dedicates that amount of research on Santa Claus, Harry Potter, etcetera. If Jesus was never a historical figure. They won't do such. These are Schools, Colleges and Universities with Brains and not an empty airhead/nincompoop like you.

The Original Dead Sea Scrolls in Israel's Museum bears evidence. The Septuagint, Text Receptus, Cordexes, etc all bear evidences to the truth of this Jesus Christ. Even the Masoretic texts.


You have not even given me ½ evidence of yours that prove against the historicity of Jesus Christ. You agree that Jesus Christ was indeed a historical figure. Mumu, Since you agree that Jesus Christ existed then the Bible claims are correct. Then it means HIS Godly claims were correct. Then it means HIS Miracles were correct. Then it means HIS empty tomb to this day all correct. Who gave birth to an idiot like you? You deserve to be whipped. Even Richard Carrier that you provided me. His baseless works are not considered Convincing and Valid by his own peers (Professors, Historians, Scholars, Archeologists of repute, etc). They have compared his works against Historical evidences and have seen that he is just a petty adulterer who wants to further his philanderous ways by telling baseless lies against Jesus Christ.

99.9% of historicity is against you and you ask me to provide you personal evidences. Do you really know the meaning of the word "evidence"?!!

You are like a stupid child who refuses to accept Gravity because that was discovered by a Scientist of Faith. Hence, climbs to a Top rise building to take a jump. You would land on your bones. Arrow! That's the journey you are on. You have nothing called Knowledge. Not even an ounce of it.

How can you know better than all these Secular and Christian Scholars, Top Universities, Ancient Historians that lived in times closer to Jesus Christ.

You wey no go better school. You wey na Oturugbeke Community School wey you go. I should take your stupid unfounded claims in 2020 serious as against over 2000 years of scholarly works by various Scholars about the Historicity of Jesus Christ before and after Jesus. God forbid bad thing.

I never even mentioned to you the Church fathers some of whom were Africans who wrote about Jesus Christ. I should leave all these and take your own claims. Didinrin like you wey no know book. Na im make I support. You can only play these games with Ignorant individuals and Christians. Not with individuals like me who have investigated all these and if you want insults. I would dish them out to you till next year if you so wish. I am not one of those Nairalanders that backs down easily. Go check my records. I am knowledgeable about these facts and I am a crazy person both online and offline. So get ready for more putting you in your place.

I spit on you. Tuaah!!!!

You are not even worthy of conversation with my dog at home.
You are an ignoramus Oaf.

tabithababy:
. This Is highly commendable

My dear.
Thanks.

These Atheists are very stupid of spoilt brats.

They are very foolish and have no brains.
They only play that game of blaming God, Jesus and Christianity for all their woes when they are with people who really have not studied history.

History don't support them so when they make claims that they are smart and that Christians are not. It is just foolish talk that has no base. Even Science don't support them.

Their god: Richard Dawkins has been made a mess of severally by Top Christian Scientists/Philosophers. Dawkins has even practically refused to debate Dr. Williams Lane Craig.

Follow up on Christians like Dr. Williams Lane Craig, Ravi Zacharias, Gary Habermas, John Lennox, Pastor David Lynn, David Wood, Cold Case Christianity, Capturing Christianity, Inspiring Philosophy, Dr. Jay Smith of Pfander Institute, Sam Shamoun, Anthony Rogers, etcetera.

You will learn a lot on several issues from the stupidity of evolution and how Science doesn't support it to various other topics.

[quote author=LordReed post=87597592][s]Its obvious you are a dullard because I repeated several times that this is not about denying the existence of Jesus but about presenting facts that support your position. You decided you will conflate questions that challenge your position with denying Jesus existed, that is a sign you are just looking to be offended even where no offense exists.

Yes discussion over because you can't keep on track like the dullard you are[/s]


You are an airhead and also thickheaded.

I am the one not you that can't keep up track with a dolt like you.

I have given you Dead Sea Scroll proof 700 years even before Jesus Christ and also after Jesus Christ while you have not given any fact.

Stupid!!

What exactly are you arguing?!! You said that you do not accept Richard Carrier's obvious fringe claims that Jesus Christ never existed. You said you agreed that Jesus Christ existed. You also in same breath give us Carrier's false claims and also say next that you don't "accept evidences from authority".

Are you suffering from bi-polar disorder or something?!!

Dr. Williams Lane Craig has hundreds of works on the reliability of the New Testament scriptures and he has debated your man, Richard Carrier. Look up the works of Dr. Williams Lane Craig as regards this. I can't waste my time typing up something that is solid proof when you have got Google in your hands. Get the soft copy of his works and read them.

ReeLoaDead:
Read these two:

1) http://theconversation.com/curious-kids-how-do-scientists-know-evolution-is-real-122039

2) https://www.yourgenome.org/facts/what-is-evolution

Please let me know if the links are helpful.

Bros! No vex!
The links are trash. No serious scientist/Philosopher that doesn't know that Darwin's theory of evolution is a pile of hogwash gibberish.


Make we use our reasoning ability. Even though lol! you got your brain from Ape (No disrespect here as I am only reinteriating the myth that Evolution teaches as Science)


Bros! Read this below and see if this hilarious quote by this Professor would bring you back to reality.

Princeton professor Edwin Conklin:

“The probability of life originating from accident is comparable to the probability of the unabridged dictionary resulting from an explosion in a printing shop”

Let's discuss. Don't share me links. I want to see you type out your explanations yourself.

What do you mean by evolution?
What do you mean by theory?
What is meant by a fact in science?
Why is fossil record the biggest obstacle to the myth of evolution today?
Why did Charles Darwin in his book: the origin of species consider the black race to be closer to the Gorillas than the White race? (No disrespect that is you because I don't subscribe to this stupid evolutionary myth)
Why this silly racist notion in something that is claimed to be scientific?
Scientific methods are supposed to be observable and can be repeated... That's why it is Science, right?

Can you give me just one observable and repeated "evolutionary change" that happened that saw a specie go from one kind to an entirely different kind? Get the question correct. In the adaptations described by Charles Darwin. He said this is possible and would happen but unfortunately what we have noticed is that bacteria stay the same. They might be several variations of it. Same for fishes, dogs, etc so please can you give me a real scientific proof of one specie that you know that went from an entirely different kind to another kind totally? And the year that this happened?


Let's talk energy, life, DNA and their origins.
No post me links. Make we iron them out.

LordReed:
Before you use words look up their meanings if you are not sure what they mean. I didn't make a strawman. I state your argument precisely and tell you that you are wrong, that is not what a strawman means.

It is fallacious to claim no "true" scholars would oppose the historicity when indeed there are scholars who do so. Richard Carrier has a doctorate in ancient history so to malign him as not being a true scholar is just rubbish talk. The appropriate thing to do is evaluate their claims and evidence not dismiss them out hand simple because they oppose the narrative you hold dear to your heart.

Let me be clear once again. I don't say Jesus never existed. I say let's look at the evidence for his existence. If you have it bring it, I don't accept arguments from authority. Bring your evidence.

I am all for civil and polite discussion but I can also be very rude if I start noticing you are becoming very silly. When I first saw you state that it's a "No True Scotsman" fallacy. I had to ask myself if you understand the context of the words you use or if you are just trying to "front" as usual like you really know what exactly you are talking about.

A quick read through Richard Carrier's profile shows that you are not to be taken serious just the same way Richard Carrier despite a Ph.D in Ancient History. His theories are not really taken serious by his peers. (Screenshot attached below).

The crux of our argument was if Jesus existed or not and since you agree that Jesus Christ existed then the rest of what you say are all rubbish and no wonder you would demand in your own words
"I say let's look at the evidence for his existence. If you have it bring it, I don't accept arguments from authority. Bring your evidence"

This above is just silly chidish talk. You don't accept arguments from authority. Okay, let's play your silly game "I don't accept your parents gave birth to you. Even if you present me with all the evidences like your birth certificate, etc. Nope! You must bring your own evidence from thin air, from your ass"...

Very silly talk. Discussion is over with that silliness. You won't accept what the credible documents of antiquity have to say. You won't accept what 99% of the scholars say. You won't accept the Bible that has archeology backing the records as true. I gave you one example out of numerous that are available today. I gave you Isaiah 53 which 2700 years after the Dead Sea Scrolls found, the originals at Israel museum backing it up but nope you won't accept nothing reasonable and factual. You just want to make baseless claims with no historical facts supporting your claims.



[quote author=LordReed post=87594589][s]Why can't people just answer a simple question with simple answers. You mentioned 25,000 manuscripts and I ask you are these bible manuscripts? How has what you've written above answered this simple question for Pete's sake?


Either you have a poor grasp of English or you are being dishonest. You seem to want to read opposition to Jesus in everything. Pointing out that Tacitus was not writing about Jesus but about Christians puts in your mind the spectre that I am saying Tacitus is denying that Jesus existed. I usually give people a leeway when they take this dumb route for a time but don't continue down this road. If you do not understand the point I am making, ask me to clarify.

To clarify, Tacitus was writing about Christians, the conditions they were facing with a reference to how the name came about. He was not writing specifically about Jesus. He doesn't go into any detail about Jesus. That should clue you in. A historian mentions only in passing the fate of the founder of a religion. Nothing else about his life or his work, just that he died at the hands of Romans. How then do you say he was writing ABOUT Jesus?

Also, this passing comment on Jesus while establishing the manner of his death does nothing to confirm any supernatural claims of resurrection, godship, miracle working powers or anything of the like.


This is just silly. You don't answer the questions asked instead you segue into all manner of rubbish that has nothing to do with the question then you round it up with more rubbish about spirits and what not. Why can't you focus on the subject and leave nonsense tales for those interested. Let us face the questions at hand, bring your evidence that Matthew, Mark, Luke and John wrote those books.


Who cares the volume of religions you've investigated? Support your claims with evidence and stop beating around the bush[/s]


Look! I see you are just been chidish the same way Richard Carrier is. First, you lie that Tacitus never mentioned or wrote about Jesus. I hit you with a write-up of Tacitus where he specifically wrote the name Christus which is Christ Jesus and now you have started talking silly talk, switching up and flip-flopping about Tacitus not talking about the details as regards Jesus. You knew that at first and you lied that Tacitus didn't mention Jesus Christ at all. Such blatant liar and please what other details do you need about Jesus Christ from Tacitus, a man who is a Roman Senator and not a believer in Jesus Christ?!! A man who is not a Christian but who wrote clearly informing us of the death of Jesus Christ at the hands of one of their own-Pointus Pilate. What other details do you want different from this amazing historical recording that collaborates the Bible to be true and confirms that Jesus Christ was indeed crucified by the Romans?!!!
Silly boy trying to ask something akin to the Pope writing about the details of Islam in Mecca. You want Tacitus to start talking about the teachings of Jesus Christ as if he was a follower of Jesus Christ or how many cups of water Jesus Christ drank.

Are you slow or you just want to appear as a dishonest illiterate?!

The problem with you and guys like Richard Carrier is that most of the times. You can't seem to handle your personal lives just exactly how Richard Carrier was an adulterer with his marriage and a host of other silly issues that this lead him leaving the Christian faith and in other to feel some sort of self-importance. He has to go against Jesus Christ.

Yeah! Every inch like rebellious children who go on to misbehave just because they were not given what they wanted. An excuse for you both to indulge in mostly sexual perversion like extramarital affairs, etc so you both have to hate on the such high standard and pure morality that Jesus Christ represents. This is same thing I have noticed with Bart Erhman and a bunch of many Atheists.

Richard Carrier is not even a tolerant Atheist. Something he is criticised for by other Atheists. I see same trait with you. If other Atheists can criticise Richard Carrier as being intolerant and he is your mentor. Seriously, why should I take you any serious?!!

Who cares giving you other evidences again when the ones I have given you like Isaiah 53. You don't accept it like you claimed "you don't accept evidences from authority". Pull it out your ass, silly kid. What's the need reasoning with someone like that who thinks this way. It is a waste of productive, valuable time. I would rather do other things. If you have got any logical reasoning left in you then you would understand that if Jesus truly had been crucified as confirmed by both Christian and non-christian sources and we have an empty tomb today then all his Godly claims, miracles, etcetera were true.

What your thick skull don't understand is that why Christianity continues to this day is simply because of the resurrection of Jesus Christ. If that had not happened then Christianity would have been useless and there would be no need for it. Christianity doesn't need to prove anything else to stupid skeptics like you who only hold up the mirror of foolishness and no true knowledge.

Thank God from Richard Carrier's profile that he debated Dr. Williams Lane Craig and was defeated. I loved how Richard Carrier wanted first that they debate about the reliability of the gospel writings before discussing if Jesus Christ rose from the dead. Dr. Williams Lane Craig has debated that severally with him and with many other top Atheists that I don't need to waste my time discussing that with you. You simply quit been lazy and go check out the several works and debates of Dr. Williams Lane Craig as regards that and also other Scholars I gave you. I have more important things to do than to waste my time discussing that with you.

You never would accept them even if I waste my time presenting the facts to you.

LordReed:
I merely pointed out the error of saying no scholars oppose the historicity of Jesus. And it's a "No True Scotsman" fallacy to claim no true scholar will oppose it. You present the facts and not malign the people. Which is why I asked you to present facts.

Now, this is a Straw man. You and I both know that no true Scholar whether for or against Jesus Christ ever disputes HIS baptism and crucifixion and if no true Scholar disputes that then that settles the fact that HE truly existed.

LordReed:
You didn't answer the question I posed previously, are the manuscripts you are referring to Bible manuscripts?

This will take the whole year. Take for example just Isaiah 53 written 700 years before the physical manifestation of Jesus Christ. Isaiah 53 was a vivid prophetic exact description of what Jesus Christ would do and his crucifixion bearing the sins of all mankind. Jesus came 700 years later and fulfilled this Isaiah 53 exactly and ascended with an empty tomb to prove that till today. What happens 2700 years after this.

In 1947, several jars containing over 900 manuscripts now known as the Dead Sea Scrolls were discovered under in a cave by a Shepherd boy. We now know via Archeology how this was exactly same as the one we have in our Bibles today. That's just one fact. My brother, it will be dishonest denying just how amazing that this is. I have not even touched on others and also the New Testament facts.

LordReed:
Tacitus didn't write about Jesus, he wrote about Christian belief in Jesus, that is quite different.

This is a poorly scripted lie. I understand that you hate Jesus Christ and have given up on HIM but to lie this is way is really disappointing and heartbreaking. Cornelius Tacitus (56-120AD) was known for his analysis and examination of historical documents and is among the most trusted of ancient historians. He was a senator under Emperor Vespasian and was also proconsul of Asia. In his “Annals’ of 116AD, he describes Emperor Nero’s response to the great fire in Rome and Nero’s claim that the Christians were to blame:

“Consequently, to get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Christians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judea, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.”

In this account, Tacitus confirms several historical elements of the Biblical narrative: Jesus lived in Judea, was crucified under Pontius Pilate, and had followers who were persecuted for their faith in Christ.

Christus=Christ which is Jesus Christ.

LordReed:
Are you aware there are no contemporary sources for anyone of Jesus stature given the things the Bible claims about him? Are you aware that none of the gospel books where written by eye witnesses, the authors are considered anonymous? Are you aware that none of the books was written earlier than 20years after Jesus' purported death?

Now this is another big lie that if I should write on this. It will take the whole day. You have to be careful what you accept as fact. Euclid regarded as the founder of Geometry in Mathematics. Nobody knows exactly when he was born or when exactly he died and his biography was written almost 500 years after his death and it's even sketchy unlike Jesus Christ that we have so much of what HE, Jesus Christ said and did. Nobody in their remotest mind disputes Euclid ever existed despite the sketchy details of his life....

Nobody knows when Shakespeare was actually born and this is thousand of years after Jesus Christ had ascended. A biography of Shakespeare was written in 2004: Will in the World by Stephen Greenblatt. Check out how many years that is from Shakespeare's death till 2004 and even that is not up to Jesus Christ's time. Life should have improved more in Shakespeare's time than in Jesus time but still you and I don't ever dispute that Shakespeare did exist. The same can be said of Muhammad. The first mention and write-up of Muhammad was 200 years after which infers about 800 years plus after Jesus had ascended. Understand that in the 7th century by Muhammad's time. Life is supposed to have improved a bit more than Jesus's time but still it took over 200 years before the first mention of Muhammad even though Muhammad lied against the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Even when all the historians hundreds of years before and after Muhammad never disputes the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. Not even the Jews that got it started dispute the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. The qur'an stands alone in the lie that Jesus Christ was never crucified. No other old book/document of antiquity ever makes that claim or confirms the qur'an on that but still you never doubt that Muhammad ever existed, right?!!

1.7 billion Muslims still believe the lie that Jesus Christ was never crucified but accept a partial truth of Jesus ascended.

Same can be said for Alexandra the Great. No one disputes their existence but the hypocrisy of you lots to dispute the existence of Jesus Christ who was written about within the earliest of 20 years after his ascension by eyewitnesses of Jesus Christ. You guys do all to reject this embodiment of truth and grace who lived a perfect life. Even the qur'an says he lived a Sinless life. There are people who hate the Jews so much today. Some white Neo-Nazis and Supremacists, some are Islamists who deny that there was never a holocaust of Six million Jews by Hitler. This happened some hundred years back but you and I know that this happened for real so even when this purported Jew hating people deny this historical fact about the massacre of 6million Jews. Are you and I going to accept that lie and crap even if it is a White Professor who is white supremacist or Islamist that writes that down? Are you going to accept that silly talk when other historical fact don't collaborate their hate conspiracy?

You have to ask yourself if you have thoroughly investigated the facts and you are not just basing your denial and rejection of Jesus Christ which will lead to the condemnation of your soul if you die in that state based on what some few misguided individuals with no true knowledge are telling you. This is no joke. It is when you hit the soil and your spirit rises out of your body that you would understand how serious this reproach you heaped on Jesus Christ is. I pray you won't die in that state.


You have to check if you have really investigated the claims you make.

I have investigated many faiths, claims, so called founders and pathways to God or the lack of it (Atheism, Grail Message, Eckanar, Islam, J.w, etc) and I have come to the conclusion that only in Jesus Christ can we find solace and eternal life of God. Anything outside. You are lost for all of eternity especially if you die in that state.

Lilbest3:
HAKIM, what exactly will Trump do that you terrorists and your terrorist sympathising leftists will not complain about? What's wrong with trying the drugs? Trump is holding press conference almost every 24 hours what has your president said since the outbreak?

Don't mind them.

They are never satisfied.

Even Clown News Network that basically hates Trump was recently praising Trump's administration on how he has been handling this.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffVyQKu7Uxw


Democrat Governors are also praising the Trump administration.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g6pPyz38Fc

LordReed:
Correction look up Dr Richard Carrier, there are quite a handful of scholars who oppose the historicity of Jesus.

Which manuscripts are you referring to, bible manuscripts?

Same way you say I should look up Dr. Richard Carrier. I will do that but also look up Gary Habermas, Dr. Williams Lane Craig, John Lennox, etcetera. Even Bart Erhman that opposes the Bible and the Christian faith in general never disputes the historicity of Jesus Christ. No scholar does that. They might dispute things about Jesus or make some other claims about Jesus but no true scholar whether secular or Christian ever doubts that Jesus Christ existed.

Everything and everyone testifies of Jesus Christ existing. If Richard Carrier is a true scholar then he would never dispute that Jesus Christ ever existed. The evidence tilts against his claims. Scholars before him have tried that but none has succeeded with that and it is regarded as a rejected myth by anyone who claims that Jesus never existed. Check out what Scholars of antiquity have to say about this. People like Michael Grant.

We even have writings by non-christian sources like that of Tacitus, a Roman Senator who wrote about Jesus. We have others. We have the Jewish additional corrupt books like the Mishnah also referring to Jesus existence even though they speak derogatory of Jesus. Also, the Jewish Talmud speaks of Jesus crucifixion albeit in derogatory manner.

The scholars might dispute about certain details of Jesus life but I repeat no true scholar disputes the baptism and crucifixion of Jesus so it calls into question the credibility of the Richard Carrier guy that you ask I check out. I will still check him out. You also check out the scholars I mentioned.

For real.

How will you do this to a 4 year old child?!!!

Just imagine for a sec if that was your sister or daughter that was raped.

Will you believe that claim of mistake?

Why do people lack no sound conscience and morals these days?

LordReed:
You make a claim you can't support and here you are talking about spoon feeding. Do you have any facts or you are just mouthing off?

Where did I claim that Jesus didn't exist? When I make such a claim, ask me to defend it, not when I have made no such claim.

Okay!

Since you didn't make than claim then let's shake hands. Peace!!

I just tried making it clear that Jesus Christ is a historical figure. No scholar for or against contests that fact. Hence, Jesus Christ should never be compared to fictional characters like Harry Potter, Santa Claus or Mythological figures like Krishna, Osiris, Sango, Amadioha, etc


There are over 25,000 ancient manuscripts with 99.9% aligning accuracy that prove that Jesus Christ existed, was crucified and resurrected.

No other figure has that much proof.

[quote author=Sadteen post=87581362][s]This goes to prove that we are on our own in this world but religious fundies will keep praying and putting their hopes in imaginary beings until the virus wipes them off the face of the earth. The Spanish flu of the 1820s claimed over 40 million lives. Where was God? Sleeping I suppose.

Look at how a common virus is threatening the spread of the gospel and people want me to believe religion isn't man made. Churches and mosques are being closed all over the world and this doesn't seem to bother God who apparently cannot do without his children worshiping him

If churches and mosque can be shut down by men then it is safe to conclude they were invented by men. Nothing divine or magical about them. Let's hope this virus doesn't turn out worse than the Spanish flu but if it does, the same humans that closed their churches and mosques will go reopen them after the virus has decimated 1/3 of the human race to resume worship to gods that watched and did nothing. Dumb humans

I mean the church is where people run to when they need miracles why is it being closed now. Is this virus too powerful for them?
Now is the time for religious Gods to prove themselves but they won't; watch how they'd cower behind their followers they are failing and will fail to protect.

Now is the time for the true God; Yahweh, Allah, Zeus or whoever to unite the human race under one religion that is if they truly wanted to save the human race from eternal damnation. Don't come and preach to me the Jesus loves me hackneyed rhetoric when he couldn't prove himself for the whole world. I won't listen

Shame[/s]


You write so foolishly that I just have to ask did God personally take your wife?

You lots are like cry babies that never get anything done except whine and complain about God who gave you miserable lots the opportunity to live and talk trash about the Creator.

HE has made you. Now, why don't you solve the Coronavirus issue or were you not made with brains?

Many of the major scientists were and till today are still Christians. Scientists like Isaac Newton, etc. Even Albert Einstein was never an Atheist. They made great contributions but all you Atheists with your empty brains who get on Google and read a thing or two from Dawkins now feel that you now have the guts and requisite knowledge to throw your foolish tantrums at God.

Church, Church, everyday. That very Church built your Nation's First Storey building. That Church stopped the killing of twins. That Church built the first set of schools, hospitals, etc in your country.

What have you or the body of Atheists ever done?
Nada!! Jack nothing!!!

The onus is on you to solve the Coronavirus issue. A lot of organisations both secular and religious bodies have released funds for individuals with brains that can come up the solution to this Coronavirus issue.

Stupid cunt. Now get off your lazy ass and and make use of your brain in taking your family out of poverty by getting a solution to the crisis caused by fellow humans like yourself.

Mankind creates the issue and next heaps the blame on God.
Stop waiting for God and the Church. They are busy and are not your babysitters. HE takes care of those who pray to HIM. Now, if you don't regard HIM then solve the problem yourself.

Geez!!!!

LordReed:
Yes I am ignorant thats why I am asking you since you know. Appeals to authority is a fallacy. I asked you for historical evidence for Jesus, not who says Jesus existed.

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I won't spoon-feed you..


These facts about the Jesus Christ existing are all out there.
The onus is on you to give me credible facts that showed Jesus Christ never existed.

[quote author=brightalo1010 post=87433801][s]Did Trump called the virus hoax from the opposition or not when it was only 15 affected?

What about the testing he never accepted to happen previously that he allowed now?

Didn't the same people ask him to ban flights and close bothers when the virus was just 15 and zero death but he stubbornness and proud didn't allowed him.

Why is he doing all those things now?

Didn't you read where his government were saying that they were not prepared for the virus that was spreading like wild fire. Why the sudden change in his first stance after the thing has affected over 2000 and with 50 deaths.


If all these are not incompetence then what is it?

Point out one thing there and expose it, thank God his Twitter account is still there for verification of those stuffs.[/s]

Same Border closure you guys never wanted.

With Coronovirus here. Everyone now appreciates the wisdom brought forward by Trump. Everyone is now closing their borders.

ornicus:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HvE9hCZ-jaU


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ifKbwDf51bA


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YyTs6VFWqL8

This is the true face of trumps attitude to the virus.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5g6pPyz38Fc



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffVyQKu7Uxw

[quote author=ReeLoaDead post=87437792]Science ... evolution

Explain to me how Evolution is Science?

Professorcplus:
Lol If it means to be uneducated to accept your real historical character like Jesus, then I would rather remain uneducated to accept Santa Claus or Harry Potter to be real.

I claim they are not real hence they are frictional characters but you claim otherwise, hence the burden of proof is on you not me. So Sir, with due respect, proof that your Jesus is not a frictional character like Santa Claus

It's best you remain uneducated.

You wrote ".....not a frictional" instead of fictional...

If you can't recognise the simple difference between these two words. How are you ever going to understand all the historical facts about Jesus Christ from the 1st Century. Even Bart Erhman that opposes Jesus Christ so much never disputes that Jesus lived as a historical figure. Bart never even disputes HIS crucifixion.


Other modern scholars like William Lane Craig, Gary Habermas, etc all agree on these facts. Over 25,000 manuscripts to prove HIS existence plus other non-christian writings of HIS existence.

You had personal issues with your life and you felt the best is to make unfounded claims that Jesus Christ never existed.

It's crazy the crazy people in the world today. People who don't know anything despite the internet&the smart gadgets that they have got in
their hands. Gadgets obviously smarter than they the handlers.

Actuarydeji:
It is a pity! I need to withdraw my money from Polaris on Monday, I can't cope with FBN poor customer service

Sane thing I thought hahahaha! When I read this news.

lagdmark:
Allow American voters to rate their president performance. You Nigerians believe that hailing trump everyday
will make trump regard or notice any group in Nigeria.

Forget what you watch on CNN, NBC.

Go follow on real news by highly intelligent people like Ben Shapiro (Daily Wire Show), Larry Elders, Candace Owens, etc

Americans are turning out massively for Trump at all his campaigns.
They are underreporting this.
If the Trump administration does a good job of handling this Coronavirus incident which will either make or mar him this November.

He is going to win by landslide while you go on Twitter and think all those rants by mostly Americans of immigrants parents matter so much.

The Democrat analysts themselves know this. This Coronavirus presents an opportunity for them to ride this to make sure the American people turn against Trump.

brightalo1010:
mention one thing in that twitt that is not factual, when the thing was 15 affected with zero death didn't he talk trash and called it hoax from the opposition instead of being proactive now he's trying to be reactive, if na Buhari won't you call him or sorts of names? Don't be a hypocrite with bitterness.

I don't engage in calling Buhari names.

Everyone knows the media is filled with these liberals like you who mostly don't know anything about all of these but who go about calling conservatives bigots and most other unprintable names. They run the media and the hilarious thing is that they are usually gays and trying to force socialism on America.

This reminds me of Carlos Maza who is a gay liberal and goes about on social media attacking Americans who are wealthy like he did to Steve Crowder only for him to get exposed for the hypocrite socialist advocate that he is just how Bloomberg exposed Bernie for the hypocrite Socialist that Sanders is. They are both Democrats. The Carlos Maza is even an overspoilt baby who still gets feed by his wealthy parents while deceiving liberal Americans on the need for socialism and as you know it the usual Trump Hate.


The thing is that the liberals control all the major media and all they do is attack and attack whoever they don't like.

The funny thing is if you have been following up on the campaigns before this Coronavirus incident. More Dems are switching over to the Republican side. The numbers are swelling at every state Trump goes to. One had over 600,000 plus attendees. Something the Dems have not been able to pull up.

This Coronavirus incident might just be the last incident that will make or mar Trump depending on how the Trump's team handle this and come out of this. If not for this. Every pundit knows Trump is winning November by a landslide. Let's just watch how the Trump's administration handles this. Most of you just whine and complain on Social Media but are ignorant politically wise to how majority of Americans want Trump back in office.

You all did it before he won this term not believing he would win. If he handles this Coronavirus incident very well and don't allow the media spin it to discredit his administration.

Trump would win by a landslide again while you guys just go on Social Media like Twitter to throw your ridiculous attacks that you guys call "facts" at Trump.

I would recommend you get off CNN, NBC, etc and watch impartial analysts like Ben Shapiro on the Daily Wire Show and others like Larry Elders,etc

Facts ain't about all you want as an outsider who is not an American. It is about what the majority of Americans want. Period!!

ReeLoaDead:
Ok so what exactly do you believe in evolution or creationism?

You very self..
Which of them do you believe in?

oghale23:
I see here that some people support President Trump and some hate him as if he is the junior brother of the devil.

Everybody is entitled to their beliefs and opinions. You can't force your hatred of a president on a person neither can you force your love for a president on a person.

While some people hate President Trump for all the reason they can gather, some people love the President for all the reason they can gather.

In 8 months time the American people will decide on how well he has governed and whether he deserves a 2nd term. From the result, we will know.

For those who hate the president because you agree and believe that he is a fool, idiot, liar, incompetent and a Charlatan, it won't matter to the American people, because he was labelled as such before he was president and he still won.

Majority of the US media hate him and all they do is to cover him negatively in an attempt to convince the American people he is a bad, incompetent, dishonest and a foolish president. Most of what he says or does is twisted and interpreted to fit their negative and hateful agenda/ narrative.

The Democrats from day 1 have been trying to remove him from office through Investigation, harassment, impeachment, using the 25th amendment and so on.

All the aforementioned have failed and they have run out of options.

For me, I believe the truth will prevail and in 8months time, it will come into fruition.

All the Major media (CNN, Bloomberg, NBC, etc) all owned by the lib Dems. They are even trying to buy out Fox News via their ownership of Disney.

ReeLoaDead:
So you prefer the fairytale version of “everything created in 6 days” just like that ... gbam!!

Stupid boy.

Who believes a big bang fairy tale invented first by a Catholic and you say you are "scientific".

I see your sense.

brightalo1010:
Go to his Twitter page and see what sane Americans calls him before talking trash here. His level of incompetence made the virus spread this fast in His country. Follow him on Twitter you'll understand levels.

Don't trust Twitter.

Several liberals who loathe Trump are on that platform.

InspireWealthB:
If America, China and the whole of Europe with all their scientific advancement haven't been able to understand the full origin and behaviour of this small virus, how then were they able to understand something as complex as the universe and the origin of other creations?

How were these people able to convince us about the origin of the earth, man and others, when they cannot vividly tell from which animal exactly this particular virus came?

You can provide "imaginary" proofs for the origin of the universe and man outside of a creator (God), but you cannot explain a small virus as this.

Always remember that no Atheist truly knows anything about the origin of the universe or life.

Darwin's evolutionary theory is now regarded as arrant nonsense by any well read Individual.

Plus Atheism is not supported by science.
They only play these games of calling Theists/Bible believing people "illiterates" while trying to make it seem anyone who is a Atheist is scientific inclined and smart. That's a big lie.

Read up on the works of mathematician like David Berlinski who is truly from a science background and a believer in God.

Even their number one Atheist, Richard Dawkins till today has refused to debate Williams Craig Lane. He is scared. He debated Ravi Zacharias one time on BBC and made a mess of that that he didn't know when he as an Atheist exclaimed "Oh my God!".

Atheism is stupidity. Period!

LordReed:
Where is the historical evidence Jesus existed?

Only Ignorant people ask that question.

It shows you are not well read even Bart Erhman that Muslims like to put up his works despite not a fan of Jesus still never disputes that Jesus Christ existed as a historical figure.