armadeo:


Will do so.

Also waiting your response on greed

armadeo:


You cannot hold more knowledge on food than the nutritionist. Even with nafdac.

The DG thing was a quip which you missed.

Greed. Now am interested care to expand on this.

armadeo:


Will they to respond to your last two posts here.


Post 1 neither does being a pharmacist give you a good knowledge of food. So who has some knowledge of all drugs food hospital health. Am sure you know who the current nafdac DG is.



Post 2 there is no monster in me. I such just say the facts as I see them. I assume you refer to the pride and arrogance that is said to be pathognomomic of Drs.

Its either the man is proud or people around have low self esteem. Not all drs are proud so it means that some others have low self esteem.

Pride isn't restricted to anyone its a human behaviour.

armadeo:

What is health? A health minister is in charge of a health related matters. So.....



You get my drift

armadeo:


You left out food

armadeo:

What instated still encompasses what you have said. All the organizations you quoted are still apart of the medical team.

Tconphils: I'm a doctor. A good one at that , by His grace. I can tell you what this whole misunderstanding is about. Right from d early days of medical practice, its been d physician and his patient. Any other human being around is a helper( usually an individual without any training). Just like any other adventures of mankind, Medicine advanced( still growing ) in all ramifications but more importantly, the number of people needing medical attention on daily basis. This informed d need for trained medical personnels to assist the physicians . The laboratories: carry out tests requested by doctors. The nurses: monitor and give drugs prescribed by d doctor to d patient for the doctor and report back to him( if need be). Physiotherapist : carry out musculoskeletal exercises requested by d doctor for the patients. Pharmacists: sell drugs prescribed by doctors and REASON any irregularity in d prescription ( if any). Cleaners and security know there jobs. Read this: All doctors have basic training on all these areas ; pharmacology, laboratory medicine , physiotherapy ..all of them. We can do EVERYTHING a patient needs. Other health workers know this. But we chose to employ the services of nurses and others to lIGHTEN our burden. Health is doctors' innovation. It is like Microsoft to Bill Gate. We have the final say and this should never be compromised. Its a God given right to a doctor starting from d day He engraved enormous intelligence in us above equals. The world understand d complexity of life and ailments and dats y the world wide standard of preserving Medicine for the best brains. Believe me, I know what it takes to be and remain a doctor. We work for every bit of earnings we get. Nurses and patients know that. Health is all we have got. Our helpers cannot be our boss cos Dats wat this is about in Nigeria. Its unfair and its never heard of in other fields( Law, Religion, Universities, Engineering. etc). We are humans with feelings. Even now, I know that doctors are rendering services to patients in Nigeria. We do dat cos we know wat life is. This Govt is just a mess.

otokx: Government is to blame for not being firm. UK have their standards, US has its own, Russia and China have theirs but Nigeria is just copy, copy. Let us develop ours that suits our environment and enables us make progress.

Hnd should never equal BSc and that is a standard. Even in JAMB its 180 university and 150 polytechnics. O levels for university is 5 credits polytechnic 3 so how can they ask for parity?

armadeo:


dude i already used that link above to buttress my point. it never said the dg MUST be a pharmacist and that's the LAW. The man is a doctorlawyer and has a phd in pharmacology. the only issue you have is that he is a Dr.




as another poster said assuming this fellow had a pharmacy degree first then proceeded to do medicine will this come up



please. call a cutlass a cutlass

armadeo:


dude i already used that link above to buttress my point. it never said the dg MUST be a pharmacist and that's the LAW. The man is a doctorlawyer and has a phd in pharmacology. the only issue you have is that he is a Dr.




as another poster said assuming this fellow had a pharmacy degree first then proceeded to do medicine will this come up



please. call a cutlass a cutlass

armadeo:



the office of the minister of health. HMMMMM!!!! Let me see


the minister of health oversees all federal ministries concerning health issues, therefore all federal hospitals report to him and who reports from the federal hospitals the CMDS.

now the medical training is one of chain of command hope you see where this is going?



to further explain the Cmds after meeting with all professionals in his setting report to another Dr who by virtue of his training make an informed report to the president on health issues or doesn't that make sense.

The same goes for commissioners, this is all about head of the medical team. okpari nothing more nothing less.

ndu_chucks:

oga, there are 6 small triangles in your illustration in addition to the 2 larger triangles. So your 666 thingy is not working. Biko, leave my people alone. Igbo Kwenu na dis place!!!

mezebel: whoever that love this logo is one of them...the horn under signifies the two horns of devil

mrjangaweed: Isn't that an illuminati symbol there

Segeggs: The logo has illuminati symbols all over it. The torch as also seen on the statue of liberty giving to the USA by french freemasons has connections with the olympic torch and represents lucifer, refering him as the light bearer. The star of david has nothing to do with the david of the bible and is also an illuminati symbol. The present day israel is far from YAHWEH that's why they have it on their Flag. Igbos should be careful whom they associate with cos Israel of today practices several things YAHWEH frowns at. If care is not taken, the Igbo nation might be plunged into satanism. May GOD bless humanity.

armadeo:




dude; myopia when images(thought processes) are supposed to land on the retina (brain) land in front of it giving a blurred image.

this guy is also a qualified lawyer do you think drug regulation is all about just DRUG PRODUCTION and sales.

phantom: my brother if there is a pharmacist with a better CV than orhii then by all means protest that orhii should give way.

phantom: don't get yourself riled up over nothing.the pharmacology I took in school does not make me a pharmacist. I don't know more than you as regards drugs.its a fact so take it easy a beg.

armadeo:



this doesnt say anything.


the other link is an isolated incident that occurs even more in isolation when there are multiple drugs in question. I see nothing wrong in asking a pharmacist opinion on that issue. i have personally seen such cases.










he is a Dr, a Phd holder in neuropharmacology and a lawyer. all in one. whats your issue against him. Had he been just a Dr i would have said you have a point but look at the qualifications.




I had to modify this post with proof.


the link
http://sunnewsonline.com/new/?p=46160



the salient point in the epistle


Dr.Orhii has a rare and intimidating academic qualification, which suitably qualifies him as DG (NAFDAC). Dr. Orhii is a trained Medical Doctor, a Lawyer and holds a PhD in Neuropsychopharmacology

. He is also a Biomedical Scientist with vast experience in drug testing and experimental medicine, having conducted cutting-edge biomedical research into new medicines in Russia with more than 10 years biomedical research experience at the University of Texas Health Science Centre at San Antonio, Texas.






ABEG THIS GUY TOO MUCH!!!!!

barcanista: The Bottom line is that JOHESU misinformed the Public.

My Sincere Apologies to Medical Doctors and the Medical Profession for my lashes on the Noble Profession. I was only being a concerned citizen with interest in fairness and justice. I acted based on the Opinions I got from JOHESU(They Deceived me with incomplete information) and NMA(they didn't explain to us well).

The Paramedics ESPECIALLY the Pharmacists should reconsider their position and honestly ask themselves these questions:

Will they encourage a Physician or a Nurse to Head NAFDAC?
Will they appoint a Nurse or Pharmacist as Medical Director in a HOSPITAL owned by them?
Will they permit a Medical Doctor to be the CEO of a Pharmaceutical Firm or Plant?
Will they permit their relatives to patronise Clinics/Hospital where the CMD is a Lab Scientist?

armadeo: [/b]


Any "sauce" as nairalanders will say for our perusal will be appreciated thanks.

barcanista:

With the BOLD, the Doctors have substance. Honestly, most people(Myself Included) used to think that ALL Administrative Positions are FILLED by Doctors and HONESTLY I wasn't aware of a POWERFUL office of the "Administrative Director" until yesterday-The JOHESU didn't tell us that it is usually occupied by non-Clinical Professional.

Let me add that the Office of Chief Medical Director/Medical Director Should remain the sole inheritance of Physicians. Reason being that by training, Physicians are equipped with the necessary skills needed for Hospital Management and the have General overview of all the paramedics in addition to their core skills(According to what i read). It will be absurd to appoint a non-Combatant Soldier as Chief of Army Staff.

The Medics need to always feed the public with information on "their own side" of the matter. Honestly, losing public respect is one thing no individual or group will wish for.

Having re-read the Medics and JOHESU demands, I formed the following as "legitimates" solution.

1) The office of Minister of Health should be occupied by a Medical Doctor
2) The Office of Minister of State for Health be opened to other Health Practitioners
3) The demand for the office of Surgeon-General is not necessary
4) The CBN erred by approving the MLSCN to regulate importation of IVF(abi na wetin sef) Equipment knowing fully that the Health Sector is Multidisciplinary. Instead, the Govt should have established a Commission or Agency with Members Drawn from Health Professionals to regulate such and other Health Equipment Importation. (The NMA/NARD should approach the Court instead of striking)
5) The Office of CMD should be the Exclusive of Doctors being that the Hospitals are their primary duty posts and their oversight.
6) The Offices of CMAC & Dep CMAC should be retained since others have theirs and be exclusive of Doctors.
7) Other Health Pros should be allowed to rise to Directorate rank if they are qualified however grey areas should be sorted
8] The Title/Rank of CONSULTANT should be opened to all HOWEVER, other professionals should meet international minimum standard before attaining such Rank instead of just few years of PG Studies. And the "Non" Clinical Consultant should know his place in Clinical Issues. While it is good for a Pharmacist to attain consultant status, It will be immoral for him to use such rank as a barrier to a Physician. Doctors are the natural Leaders of Any Medical Teams GLOBALLY.

infolekan:

But its so difficult to make an adjustment to a prescription when you're not even privy to the diagnosis.
Antibiotics therapy vary from Community acquired Pneumonia to Bacteria Meningitis and while I personally don't see anything wrong in a Pharmacist confirming to check if what he saw is what is prescribed if he sees a funny dose ( they do that well where i am and it is usually with the best intentions as nobody is infallible)and God knows how many lives that could be lost will be saved if they do that more often, changing a Physicians prescription is something else and quite illegal if you ask me.
Let's not be so hasty to bring in foreign stuffs unless you are planning to bring in the whole package...in most of those countries you are looking at, implementing the whole healthcare package means that Doctors live and rule like Kings

armadeo:

OK lets ignore my initial question on the legality of prescriptions apart from over the counter medications by law. enlighten me on indirect prescription.

infolekan:

Pharm Greg....the point isn't about knowing the treatment for Malaria....its about knowing it's Malaria. while I really doubt if it's any difficult to manage malaria....the problem is what if it becomes a complicated one?
That's why there's need for a job description in the health sector

armadeo:

Again I ask apart from over the counter drugs are you by law allowed to give prescriptions. Yes or no.

infolekan:

Pharm Greg....the point isn't about knowing the treatment for Malaria....its about knowing it's Malaria. while I really doubt if it's any difficult to manage malaria....the problem is what if it becomes a complicated one?
That's why there's need for a job description in the health sector

armadeo:



Prescribe indirectly. Listen to yourself. I asked a simple question by law apart from over the counter drugs do you have the power to write a prescription and give to a patient. Its a yes it no question no lectures needed.

What meaningful adjustments do you want to make in a drs prescription. I can understand dosage discrepancies it has happened to me before. Apart from that what again?


PS the pharmacist doesnt even see the patient so how would you know what parameters the dr used to arrive at that prescription for you to make valuable adjustments

armadeo:


Am very sure I have answered the op you quoted and yourself you are yet to respond to my inquiry.