With all the wild agberos running the streets of Lagos, the insecurity, and poisonous fumes being released by all those rusty trailers, I concur with the list

Na who for nominate Buhari before? Abeggi

Governor POI will occupy his rightful sit soon.

That judge will soon be arrested

I

HardMirror:

Human behavior?
Ok does common sense not tell you that if those selling the human body parts are soo poor and sell those parts ridiculously cheap, then it means they know those parts can't generate the billions they claim you will get from them?

How can u sell a whole human head for 10,000 naira when the head is going to make u very rich? Why not sell it for 10million at least?

Think abt this.

Secondly don't assume all those people buying the body parts are not foolish out of 180million people in this country we should be able to find 150million fools.

This is what satan does best

On your second point, you can't assume such things, you are supposed to make logical statements. Have you conducted any research on this?

HardMirror:

I guess you have done money ritual or you were educated with proceeds of money ritual or money ritual is what pays the bills for you that is why you are so sure it is real.

Human behavior tells me it is real. If there was nothing to it, people wouldn't keep killing people for nothing. Everyone of those ritualist can't be stupid

FYI my hands are clean

Lennycool:

No I apply logic. Where will the money come from, why is the native doctor not rich enough to close his shrine and build a mansion, why does nigeria with all its ritual killings, not have the highest number of billionaires in the world. Use your brain. Its all wasted life.
Your talking like you've been there when a human ritual was done, and then followed the person around to see how he got his wealth. All your evidence is hearsay.

If it wasn't working they wouldn't keep doing it, all of them can't be so stupid

CHARLOE:

Thanks 4 ur sincerity, put in another way: God is not logical, right?

He expects you to take Him for His word not asking Him to prove everything He sys or does. If you had a child that constantly uses logic each time you instruct him or make a statement wouldn't you feel disrespected? So does He.

Lennycool:

The killings are real. But the people don't benefit from it. They're just wasting lives. I think hardmirror covered this before. People in South Africa believe that if they rape a virgin their HIV will be cured. Does it mean it will work? Will they be cured? In the same way people sacrifice human lives but it still won't help them.

Hahahahaha, and you have met ritualists that confirmed this statement to you?

marvoo:
isn't it due to man's quest for answer to all questions that lead to the different religion we see today? Is religion not where spirituality reside?

Reasoning doesn't have to lead to spirituality, some animals reason too yet they have not been found to be spiritual. Reasoning should have led to other things besides the awareness of the supernatural. Reasoning should have led us to assume nothing created everything, why didn't reasoning lead people to believe that everything occured as they met it, why did it lead them to assume they must be a supernatural twist to it. Why did it direct them towards worship and reverence. These are not supposed to be rational thinking patterns and reasoning should be according to science

Lennycool:

And it doesn't work, its all superstition. I blame Nollywood for your delusion.

Hehehehe superstition?

Lennycool, don't tell me you can be this naive. Who do you think is behind ritual killings?

Lennycool:

Its not what they have or don't have. Humans have higher intellect than any another animal on the planet. The next is dolphin and then chimps. No one comes close to humans in intellect, but in any other aspect they outpass us immensely.

As science is constantly evolving, you and I know that this is still a theory and not fact. Scientists may disprove this theory in time to come so why should you be so certain. Neurons thought to be responsible for reasoning in human is also found in Cetaceans.

jonbellion:
are you actually serious An all knowing entity had to have his son tortured and killed just so we can regain redemption rather than just forgiving us. Was there a need for a human sacrifice?? The jesus' you worship openly said he came for the lost sheep of Isreal. Are you a Jew It was only when he was rejected that was when he now changed mouth and said he came for all of humanity. What makes you think he won't change his mouth again and accept the Jews Gods "chosen people" he said he can't take the children's bread and throw it to the dogs He said the disciples should not preach to the gentiles and yet you still think he initially came for all of mankind
Please the true creator of the universe can't be racist. I know the character of jesus' Christ very well. I know he was a Jewish man. He worshipped in the synagogue, read from the torah and observed the Passover like any other Jew. And since you said it was Gods plan all along to sacrifice his son all along does Judas deserve to be eternally punished. After all he was only acting out Gods master plan.
How was it a sacrifice. Jesus didn't even stay dead. He spent 1 day and 2 nights in the grave not 3. After being rejected by the Jews because of his claims of being God, he then decided to redeem other humans as a last resort. Nobody likes being a third wheel plus he said a lot of outlandish things, he hasn't come to bring peace but a sword, leave your families and follow him, if you are angry with your brother you have murdered him in your heart , looking at a lady with lust is adultery this is a God that is so egoistical and insecure that when if you as so much insult his alter ego which is the holy spirit you will burn forever. He was the one that brought up the concept of hell. The Jews the people your religion came from didn't even believe in hell. He was sacrificed for sins he didn't commit and that is morally okay to you??. I never said God isn't real i said the concept if God is unknown and religions can't be right because they each have different contradictory beliefs even in the same religion .he didn't even seem happy that he was going to die he prayed for the cup to pass over him he prayed till his sweat was like blood and yet you think he wanted to willingly be sacrificed
Kim Jung un north Korea dictator punished citizens for crimes of their earlier generations. This is not right but this is what the Abrahamic God does
Let me know when you'll sacrifice your innocent loved one for something as trivial as admiring a woman or for the crimes of a terrible psychopath. When I was younger I knew a girl that said she was afraid of jesus Christ. Why the Bleep won't she be afraid when most of the pictures depicted of him are on a cross bleeding upandan

You reason like a man devoid of spiritual insight. Humble yourself and learn before trying to engage in arguments on subjects you know absolutely nothing about.

Let me help you out a bit. If you study the scriptures you will find out that by the power of the Spirit of God Himself we can do all that He expects of us, yes even you can look at a lady without lusting after her if you have His Spirit. When the Spirit directs your life then you don't need to worry about sin or laws, it will be a normal thing for you.


Jesus had to start somewhere, God chose Isreal so who are we to question Him? When Peter denied Jesus three times, he asked for forgiveness and repented when Judah betrayed Jesus even though he became remorseful, he took his own life without anyone reprimanding him, who do you blame for his choice? Jesus or himself?

You need understanding

marvoo:
The devil isn't real n he isn't confusing anyone, what is confusing everyone is d Bible and God.

Tell that to the cultists, satanist, those who practice vodoo, Astral projection etc you athiests are so naive

marvoo:
you are really funny. You are just intertwining what ur saying. Reasoning has always been in humans and due to reasoning humans created spirituality.

Why does reasoning have to lead spirituality?

Lennycool:

I didn't see this before oh, you are saying utter crap. Man is the most intelligent of all species. Dolphins and whales don't come close. Atleast research before you start spewing crap.

What does the human brain that Cetaceans don't?

jonbellion:
stop using pascals wager as a yardstick for your belief are you forgetting that Christianity isn't the only religion in the world. It also has a number of denominations so how are you sure Catholics are wrong or protestants. After all all other denominations broke out of the catholic church so it is only rational for a catholic to see other denominations as heresy. If you were alive during the inquisition you would have been burnt to the stake if you practised a different christian doctrine(heresy) what of Christianity is wrong, what if Protestantism is wrong What if Mormonism is right. I personally don't see how people can be Mormons but yet people still believe that doctrine that is the power of delusion what if the methodists are right or what if Islam is right you are failing to consider other religions and other christian denominations not to mention I am yet to understand how you guys are 100% comfortable with an innocent man being punished so you a guilty person can escape accountability. You are not even guilty cuz you weren't born during the time of Christ. Another immoral thing punishing people for the sins they didn't commit. You guys call it "original sin" or "adamic nature" this is total bull! How does this make sense A perfect being would not advocate such an immoral flawed system. How would you like it if you an innocent person were brutally punished for the crimes of a rapist. Yet this is what the entire christian doctrine is based upon. I'm sure if we had a chance to save jesus Christ that you claim to love so much you wouldn't save him. Why? cuz that'll means you would be responsible for your own wrongdoing and yet Christianity claims to be moral. We don't practice that kind of barbaric law in our judiciary simply because it makes no sense and is not moral. The cross is a device used for torture and that is your holy symbol. If jesus Christ was killed with a Molotov cocktail that would be the symbol of Christianity. If he was killed with an AK47 that will be the symbol if Christianity. If he was burned to the stake that would be the symbol of Christianity
If God wanted to forgive our sins he could have just forgiven them. He didn't have to send his son to be tortured and killed. A perfect being would know better

Obviously you are not as intelligent as you think. What do you know about the Justice of God, you think he judges with the reasoning of man. The same God that said the wages of sin is death also needed to counter His word by the sacrifice of the death of his son

But how can you understand this when you do not know the one whom you try to understand. Can you understand someone you don't know? How so?

Your speculations are numerous it makes your points laughable. God planned the death of His son on a CROSS, it could not have happened via any other means so what is the purpose of all your speculations? Yes if His son was killed by an AK47 that would be a symbol of remembrance for us and what is wrong with this?

You say God is not real yet your imagination runs wild at the mention of Him

She has lived a fulfilled life

She obviously eats a lot

jonbellion:
point of correction I don't think most atheists say nothing created something. Well me personally I'm agnostic I simply say I don't know it's honestly not hard. Maybe a creator worked though the big bang. I don't know. Maybe a creator planted the first cells that were able to reproduce and grow into a tree- like system with the branches of various life. I don't know However my ignorance on the origin of a creator would not make me subscribe to religious superstation and bullcrap A woman was not formed out of a mans rib. Snakes don't talk and there was no wooden boat that harbored all the animals on the planet for a year

It might interest you to know that the Big Bang is still a theory and will remain a theory for eternity. Why would you want to rely on a theory rather than fact? The Bible has held its own for centuries despite countless efforts to discredit it. The choice is yours, if you ever decide to chose Christianity in future, you will need to humble yourself and ask God to reveal Himself to you.

Lennycool:

Worship me or burn forever isn't exactly fair choice. Thanks to my Christian upbringing it was either Christianity or hell.

But you still had a choice and it seems you chose hell. Dying ends it all for you so yeah you chose hell. Enjoy your life cause it is all you have to live for.

KingEbukasBlog:


There were notable Logicians (INTP personality-type) who believed in God - Isaac Newton , Rene Descartes and so many more .

Even sef , Rene Descartes' philosophical proposition "cogito ergo sum" helped me understand how God thinks .

Logical thinking helped me develop a small theory on how God thinks .

It also helped me with this inchoate theory - the logic of God and everything : https://www.nairaland.com/2973792/atheism-dead-logic-god-everything

I also have other propositions .

Dear brethren, as long as it has helped you believe ride on

Enjoyed reading your thread, nice reasoning too. Would like to know your other propositions

However, there are so many blessings attached to faith you might want to apply it in aiding your belief

Lennycool:

Ahh if only it were that simple. You forget that there are 4999 other Gods out there, the odds that yours is right bis very low. And even if Yahweh was right, are you so sure you'll enter heaven with all the rules he placed in the Bible?
Don't lie
Don't steal
E.t.c
can you keep all before death, I think not, odds are you'll probably end up in hell along side me of your right.
And if you're wrong and Yahweh isn't real, you've wasted your only life on earth believing in a delusion

So which of these 4999 other gods have written a bestseller that is minutely comparable to the outstanding record breaking phenomenon called the Bible?

We are saved by grace dear, Christ has done it all of course this doesn't give anyone license to sin but we have the ability to live right.

You need to read more in order to expand your knowledge Lennycool, maybe then we can discuss further.

Lennycool:


Because I lived so long without knowing atheism was an option, i can't let another human suffer like I did. To have no choice between Christianity or hell.

You're trying to say you are not aware that other religions exist or what? And you want to save the world with your limited exposure? Many folks know Christianity is a religion of freedom in the sense that even God doesn't force any one to follow Him, the choice has always been up to the individual

KingEbukasBlog:


Nope , I don't agree that logical thinking makes you doubt God and lose grace making you vulnerable to Satan's attack .

Can you name any apostle/disciple who applied such logical thinking pattern

Lennycool:

Pidggin pidggin I'm contributing to society, curing delusions where ever they may lie. Think of it as charity. And I assure you I don't believe in any God

And if by chance what you call delusions eventually become real it means we Christians get to live eternally and spend eternity in paradise, if it's false then we end up like you, so can't you see you are the one who should be pitied? There's no consequence for not believing in athiesm, you die and everything ends

KingEbukasBlog:


I don't agree with this dear .

You don't agree that God gives more grace to the humble and resists the proud?

Lennycool:

No they wouldn't have. They believe any story told in favour of God. But just say you don't believe and questions will come.

lennycool, you spend 24hrs of your day on a forum for religious, are you sure you don't believe in God?

Lennycool:

Move your craziness one side abeg. You've completely submerged yourself in the pit of religion. I hope you find freedom someday.

If you have found freedom yourself why don't you get on with your life? You claim freedom but something keeps calling you back to engage Christians in arguments. True freedom means you leave religious discussions for religious people, it means you don't post in religion forums. Are you truly free?

Akdegreat:
With an honest aim of understanding the nature of God and his wonder displayed in nature, I had set out on a quest for 'truth'. As a very inquisitive person, a sound background in scientific methods further fueled my already curious and inquisitive nature beyond normal.

As a kid, I asked several questions;
"Since God created everything that exist, what if God never existed, and hence nothing whatsoever exists? I often tried to picture a dark and void space remaining that way for all of eternity!! Whenever I did, I got lost in my wild imaginations"
"How did God come to be? Who created him?"
"What if God never created life? How would the earth be then? I often repeated same imaginations again but this time with planets, asteroids and other heavenly bodies. Of course I got lost again, severally"
"What if I was never born? So I would never have experienced the beauty of life? Scary!"
"Why did Lucifer ruin the Paradise? For Christ sakes we all would have been there now. Why didn't God even kill Lucifer at once earlier to prevent it? He knew the future!"

I grew up into a devote Christian with different questions;
"With the so many religions on earth could we possibly be worshipping the same God in different ways?"
"If the God I worship in the bible is the one true God and creator of the universe, would he destroy non-christians in hell simply because they worshipped him wrongly?"
"Would God really condemn a devote Christian to hell after years of righteous living simply because he erred one time and dies without repentance? Would he now allow a person who has done heinous things into paradise simply because he finally accepts the salvation story in the end?". I had many more questions that bothered my mind but I'd stop there.

These questions didn't matter so much as I still upheld the Bible as truth and lived by its doctrines. On a second thought they must have sown the seed of doubt in my mind; a seed that came to germinate later on.
A lot of things happened during my undergraduate study that shook my belief but for the sake of brevity, I'd mention a few..
I held the opinion that "compared to clerics, scientists better understood the awesomeness and magnificence of God". Come to think of it this way, with every scientific discovery, scientists reveal God's wonder in nature while clerics keep 'recycling' doctrines written in our ancient Holy Bible. The beautiful works of God in nature were unreconcilable with the barbarisms attributed to him in the bible. When some Bible claims corroborate with scientific findings we're good, but when 'outrageous' claims are found in the Bible, we are convinced that they're metaphorical with deeper meaning. Gradually, it became obvious that science had more credence compared to religion. My religiosity reduced drastically as well as my total trust in the bible as ultimate truth. Not sure anymore, I wondered if there's a creator (God) or not. I mean, 'the Bible must have so poorly described God' I thought.

Aside from bible, I sought knowledge of God from various books on religion, spirituality and nature. I read the Qur'an and it bored me. I came across "Earth's Chronicles, The 12th Planet, and other controversial books by Zecharia Sitchin. They were indeed controversial, and I asked myself 'how did he know all those things?' The works of Thomas Paine is worthy of mention. I agreed with him largely, especially his 'Age of Reason'. I discussed my thoughts with another 'thinker' (I choose not to mention his name) and he introduced me to the 'Sumerian Texts', the 'Epic of Gilgamesh' among other amazing books. Wow! What have I been doing. They shared similarities with the Bible so I couldn't help but wonder and ask more questions. 'Did I believe in a big lie all these while?' ...

Good luck, if you ever come back to Christianity remember our principles. Faith Faith Faith. The minute you start doubting and trying to apply logical thinking you will loose grace and satan will take advantage. Good luck