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lexiconkabir:
a dishonest man you are. smh!

Isis claimed responsibility for thé Paris attacks. Even the terrorists befor exploding themselves shouted Allah akubar. It's for Syria. What are you talking about?

Annunaki:
Ok congratulations you proved that there is an inconsistency in translation of a verse in the bible but how does that take away the fact that Ishmael was cursed along with his descendants? Is the evidence not glaring today? Is islam and all the miseries it brings not clear evidence that his descendants are cursed The fact that satan(allah) decided to use the descendants of ishmael to establish his religion isn't enough reason for you to know the arabs are cursed Is it not cursed arab muslims that went on a killing spree killing over a hundred innocent souls on friday night Or is it not a cursed race that will establish jihad to impose their evil ideology on others

Another nice one...

MrDude:
The Jews have produce far more nobel laureate than any other set people . While the Arabs on the other hand are busy fucking their camels, fucking 7 years old and blowing themselves up. fucking Terrorists scumbags

True talk....

I created a topic recently on certain verses of the Qur'an to be deleted. Muslims can't do anything reasonable as long as those verses are still there. All terrorist praise Allah before killing. Do u think they are mad and you are wise? People have been deceived for long. Now that the West are taking a deep look at the Mosque. They Muslims are afraid.hence this pretentious e-demonstration..

Isis declared war against France and some European countries in thier video. And France promise to wipe out Isis. It's gonna be war is care is not taken all in the name of Allah..

Johnnoah1st:
lol, dis guy dey mad sha, if i don bomb myself, how i go take dey worship the allah and follow mohammed?

The terrorists of Paris were all belt up with bomb. Shooting and saying, it's for Syria, Allah akubar, to those who insult Islam..when they heard the police, they exploded the bomb... That's the price..they believe they are going to get the 72 virgins Allah promised them..ignorant fellows..

Pavore9:
Which religious book are these terrorists using as their guide?

This is a good question. They don't hid it. They always mention Allah when they is the only God. Islam is the true religion..what else do we need ?

OP, it shows that you at least have conscious. We know it's hard for a true Muslim to say this. Because it's like Saying he condemned the Quranic verses These groups are using to defend thier acts. You know, The western have come to a conclusion now. It's gonna be war. The secret is out. Isis pasted a video saying they are going to do thesame to most European countries. That the West insults Islam and their prophet. Now France is planning to shot down some suspected radical teaching mosque. And also, strick laws in public schools. French people are ready for thé first time. They have never used the word "WAR" But now. They are using it. Because Isis has declared War against Europe. They targeted The concert because they said France allows Gay artists ect... And it was understood that the owner of this same concert have previously helped the Jewish community in a charitable way. They have many reasons fighting against France. They wrote in their website. "Le Jihad me pas qu'en Série mais en France".
Meaning: Jihad is not only in Syria but aussi in France. You see why you cant défend this acts?

KingEbukasBlog:
So how are Arabs better ?

BGAM!!!

Annunaki:
Arabs have been known for spreading terrorr all over the world for 1,400 years, how exactly are arabs better The biggest and worst problem in the world today(islam) was started and spread by arabs, does that make them better as well

God bless you joor...terrorist is a blessing according to muslims. They are facing disgrace now everywhere. .

Sydney Opera House lit up in red, white and blue as world cities adopt the Tricolore.

.[size=24pt]French People say: MÊME PAS PEUR!![/size]

We forbid terrorist in Paris. Peace in Paris.

Summary at 7AM

French police have identified the first of seven gunmen who killed at least 129 people in a wave of carnage claimed by Isil as the world united in mourning for the atrocity. Here are the key points at 7AM on Sunday morning:

• French authorities Saturday named the first attacker as 29-year-old Omar Ismail Mostefai, who was identified from a severed finger found at Bataclan concert hall, scene of the worst of the bloodshed. A second suspect was named by French media as "Abbdulakbak B".

• Isil jihadists said they were behind the gun and suicide attacks that left a trail of destruction at a sold-out concert hall, at restaurants and bars, and outside France's Stade de France national stadium.

Serbian media names another gunman

The MailOnline reports that Serbian media claims one of the terrorists was Ahmed Almuhamed.

The newspaper reports that the man was carrying a Syrian passport and is aged 25.

He is believed to have been blown himself up at the Bataclan concert all where more than 80 people were killed by gunmen during the siege on Friday.

MailOnline cite Blic newspaper as reporting that the terrorist arrived with another bomber in Europe on the Greek island of Leros in October. It is then reported he took a month to travel to France and on October 7, entered Serbia after crossing from Macedonia.

Blic is reported to claim that he applied for asylum in Serbia before travelling on to Croatia and Austria

David Cameron says Britain must be braced for casualties with France in lockdown after a series of coordinated terror attacks which killed 129 and injured 352 across Paris on Friday. Follow latest updates...

Paris terror attack: France says 'we are at war' as it emerges three teams of attackers behind Friday's atrocities...

lexiconkabir:
if i condemn the attack, what difference would it make to you? you will always attach it islam, so its better i keep mute. i'm still waiting for where i was being aggressive.

What sense does it make for a true muslim to condemn this attack. The quran supports it. The killers shouted Allah akubar. You know what this means no one attached it islam but the terrorists themselves.

lexiconkabir:
you seem to have nothing to say, after a manifest proof has exposed you, your problem is you like showing yourself too much, [size=18pt] you are yet to tell me if rabbits are ruminant or not[/size], maybe i should also ask you this, [size=18pt]do insects have four or six legs?![/size] i'm sure the confused suya loving yahweh did not know!

To the bold. Please post the verse. I have not come across it.

And in Sura:

Sura 3:42

And [mention] when the (angels) said, "O Mary, indeed Allah has chosen you and purified you and chosen you above the women of the worlds.

Malik: There came the time when angels said: "O Maryem! Surely Allah has exalted you, purified you, and preferred you for His service over all the women of the worlds.



{How many angels talking to Mary at the same time? And which of the Worlds is he talking about?}

Again:

Is it 6 or 8 days of creation according to Allah ? Quran 7:54, 10:3, 11:7, and 25:59 all state (6) days. But in 41:9-12 states ( days. Allah has counting problem here or what? Which days is correct as in creation, 6 days or 8 days?

lexiconkabir:
you seem to have nothing to say, after a manifest proof has exposed you, your problem is you like showing yourself too much, [size=18pt]you are yet to tell me if rabbits are ruminant or not[/size], maybe i should also ask you this, [size=18pt]do insects have four or six legs?![/size] i'm sure the confused suya loving yahweh did not know!

Exposed allah not me... Allah said earthquakes will happen only to unbelieving nation. Why did it happened to Afghanistan and Pakistan last month or so? and when allah said that Mecca is a place of safty. Is that not a false statement? Seeing all the tragedic events has happened in Meccan. ...

lexiconkabir:
2+4=2x if and only if x is 3 and 2+8=5x if and only if x is 2, then an hypocrite come here and lie that I said x is 3 and later I said its 2 without giving the conditions, then he concludes that I am inconsistent, unknown to the people who were not there when I stated the condition of when the value of x should be 2 or 3, the ignorant people will also criticise me following the hypocrite.

having given that illustration, let the open minded people read this verse(I Dont know if you are one of them).
for the honest people, do the maths accordingly.

Who is going to pay the bill for the "promise in overdraft?"
According to the Qur'an, Allah gives the following rules in regard to dividing of the inheritance:
4:11
Allah charges you, concerning your children:
to the male the like of the portion of two females,
and if they be women above two, then for them two-thirds of what he leaves,
but if she be one then to her a half;
and to his parents to each one of the two the sixth of what he leaves, if he has children;
but if he has no children, and his heirs are his parents,
a third to his mother,
or if he has brothers, to his mother a sixth,
after any bequest he may bequeath, or any debt.
Your fathers or your sons -
you know not which out of them is nearer in profit to you.
So Allah apportions; surely Allah is All-knowing, All-wise.
4:12
And for you a half of what your wives leave, if they have no children;
but if they have children, then for you of what they leave a fourth,
after any bequest they may bequeath, or any debt.
And for them a fourth of what you leave, if you have no children;
but if you have children, then for them of what you leave an eighth.
after any bequest they may bequeath, or any debt.
If a man or woman have no heir direct [i.e. children or parents],
but have a brother or a sister, to each of the two a sixth;
but if they are more numerous than that, they share equally a third,
after any bequest they may bequeath, or any debt not prejudicial;
a charge from Allah. Allah is All-knowing, All-clement.
4:176
They will ask thee for a pronouncement.
Say: 'Allah pronounces to you concerning the indirect heirs.
If a man perishes having no children,
but he has a sister, she shall receive a half of what he leaves,
and he is her heir if she has no children.
If there be two sisters,
they shall receive two-thirds of what he leaves;
if there be brothers and sisters,
the male shall receive the portion of two females.
Allah makes clear to you, lest you go astray;
Allah has knowledge of everything.
This whole text looks rather difficult to me, but that is a common feature of nearly all legal texts. I chose the translation by Arberry because Yusuf Ali was even more difficult to follow. When things are complex it is always good to start with easy examples. Here that means, just a few people to distribute the inheritance among.
There are numerous simple cases which are not clear how to deal with them at all, since they are not covered under the instructions given. For example, if I have only one daughter, verse 4:11 says that she gets half [seemingly no matter who else might inherit]. The verse also states the general rule that a son inherits double of what a daughter inherits. Does that mean an only son would get all? Even if there are still parents which should also get a share? Also, it is regulated that one daughter would get half, and more than two daughters will [equally] share in 2/3. How much would two daughters get among them? The average between 1/2 and 2/3? [There is actually controversy, and in Sunni law, the vast consensus is to understand "more than two" to mean "two or more" even though that is not what the Arabic says. Therefore two daughters would get 2/3 of the estate. Only "Ibn Abbas, the companion of the Prophet Muhammad (pbuh), is of the view that two daughters have to get one half share, equal to one daughter's share." (Kavakci, "Islamic Inheritance Law", p. 22)] But since these cases are just not directly dealt with in the Qur'an, let us not speculate about it and only look at the cases for which we are explicitely given instructions and see whether these are consistent.
Supposed I was already a widower and have only one daughter. When I die my one daughter gets half according to verse 11. What happens to the rest?
Similar is the situation in which I have one daughter and one or more wives: My daughter gets 1/2 (S. 4:11), my wives share 1/8 (S. 4:12), i.e. 5/8 are distributed. What happens to the other 3/8 of the estate? This example does not raise a new question, but it is very important because that is the situation at Muhammad's own death, leaving one daughter (Fatimah) and several wives. Amazingly, Muhammad's wealth is not distributed according to the Qur'an!
The problem becomes clearer when we add a brother. In the Qur'an, siblings are only mentioned as heirs when no children exist. In this case Sunni and Shia have gone different ways what to do with the surplus. Shias will give all to the daughter (see #2740), Sunnis will give the rest to the nearest male relative, in this case the brother. Both are true to the Qur'an. The Qur'an does not say what to do in this and many other cases. The instructions are incomplete.
Other examples of the Shia / Sunni difference:
If a man leaves a wife and the two parents. The Shia will give the wife 1/4 and then distribute the remainder as 1/3 for the mother and 2/3 for the father, i.e. they will receive 1/4 and 1/2 of the original estate (see #2741). Sunnis will give the wife 1/4, the mother 1/3 and the father as the nearest male relative the rest, i.e. 5/12. This is not a contradiction to the Qur'an, since no verse is directly contradicted in either method, but it shows that the Qur'an is far from clear in its instructions.
A widower leaves his father and one daughter. According to the Qur'an, the father receives 1/6, the daughter receives 1/2. The remaining 1/3 is given to the daughter by the Shia (see #2743), while it is received by the father as the "universal heir" in the Sunni jurisprudence. For the Sunni law see Dr. Kavakci, "Islamic Inheritance Law", p. 16.
The Shia will give a wife 1/8, the only daughter 7/8, and the sister nothing, while in Sunni law the wife will 1/8, the daughter 1/2, and the sister as universal heir will receive 3/8 (the baqi) (see Dr. Kavakci, page 52).
Suppose my wife has no relatives at all [e.g. being a war orphan] and she dies before we are blessed with any children. According to verse 12, I get half of her property. Who gets the other half of her property? Only half of the inheritance is regulated according to the Qur'an.
The same situation with switched roles, my wife would get a quarter, but who gets the other 3/4 of my property?
Note: See the link to the actual Islamic law (Shia version) at the end of the document. If there is only one heir, then this heir gets everything. But this is NOT consistent with what the Qur'an actually says. What is the point of the Qur'an giving specific rules if they are not obeyed (because they are just not workable)? Some Sunni schools would put the surplus into the state treasury, if there is no male relative to take the rest.
One step more difficult. Suppose we do have children.
I die and leave my wife and one daughter but I have no other relatives, which means that my daughter gets 1/2 = 4/8 [verse 11] and my wife gets 1/8 [verse 12] leaving again 3/8 unaccounted for.
In all these [and several more such] cases the question is: Who gets the rest? I agree this can be taken care of by donating it to charities or the local Masjid. But the problem is the Qur'an does not tell us what to do with it. Can the rest also be distributed among the wife and children? But that procedure would make their shares different from what has been specified in the Qur'an! What is the point of specifying clear shares and then abandoning the instructions? Anyway, as long as the shares add up to less than one, things can be settled still "relatively easily." People get at least the share they are supposed to get [according to the Qur'an]. More problematic is the following certainly not uncommon situation:
If I (as the male head of the family) die and leave behind (in the order given in the verses above):

3 daughters, both parents, my wife, then they will receive

2/3 (2/9 each) 1/3 (1/6 each) 1/8 according to

verse 11 verse 11 verse 12 which adds up to

2/3 + 1/3 + 1/8 = 1 + 1/8

Where is the extra 1/8 going to come from? Is the local Muslim community [the "fund for balancing out the inheritance shares that don't add up"] going to pay it? After all, if they would be getting the left-overs from the cases when the sum is less than one in the examples above, that would only be fair.
Shia solve this problem by paying the spouses first, i.e. the wife receives 1/8 and then the other shares are taken from the remainder (which adds up correctly), see #2778 in this Shia legal code. The Sunni schools decrease all shares proportionally (Awliyyah). Both have found ways to work around the problem, but in both "solutions", some or all heirs do not receive the shares specified by the Qur'an.
Other examples where shares add up to more than one ("solved" by proportional redistribution), as found in "Islamic Inheritance Law" by Dr. Yusuf Ziya Kavakci, page 54-56 and "The Reliance of the Traveller" by Nuh Ha Mim Keller, section L8.2:
Husband, two sisters will receive

1/2 2/3 (1/3 each) according to

verse 12 verse 176 which adds up to

1/2 + 2/3 = 7/6 = 1 + 1/6

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Husband, sister, mother

1/2 + 1/2 + 1/3 = 8/6 = 4/3 = 1 + 1/3
Problems of this sort can be found many. Another one would be: Mother (1/6), brother & sister (2/3 distributed 2:1 to brother:sister) and 1/4 for the wife is more than one.
One son and one daughter. 4:11 says that one daughter will get half and a son will get double a daughter's share, which would be everything. 150% of the available property is distributed and we haven't even looked at the parents and spouse yet.
Well, even though it doesn't say so, let us assume that 4:11 doesn't only speak about 2/3 for more than two daughters but the 2/3 share holds every time when there are two or more children as many Muslims interpret it. But then the last mentioned case above would still be the same problem for any number of children since the children get 2/3, the parents get 1/3 and then there is nothing left for the wife which is supposed to get 1/8.
When a man dies and leaves behind a mother, wife and one sister only, then according to 4:11 the mother gets 1/3 (because he has neither children nor a brother), the wife gets 1/4 according to 4:12 (because they have no children) and the sister gets 1/2 according to 4:176 (because he has no children). Not only do we have again distributed more than there exists [1/12 in overdraft], we also have the very strange result that the direct heirs [people of direct relationship = spouse, children, parents] get each less than the indirect heir which is his sister. It becomes even worse if he has more than one sister since they then get 2/3 instead of 1/2 and we get even more into overdraft.
Anybody who has ever dealt with dividing out an inheritance will know how easily that can get nasty and how this can poison family relationships if people think they have been cheated. Promising certain people a definite share but not being able to pay them this share because more was promised than is available is the surest recipe for disaster.
And there seems to be an awareness of this in the Qur'an since it does repeatedly in further verses stress the necessity of being just. And in these there verses we have been looking at, we have the explicit statement at the end of 4:176 that "Allah makes clear to you, lest you go astray" as well as in 4:11-12 it says that "So Allah apportions" and "so Allah charges you" and (because?) He is the "All-wise". I am not sure there are many commands on the Qur'an which are explicitely given to make things clear and which are so completely unclear and contradictory and impossible to fulfill. Do we really want to charge God that he didn't know what he was saying and that He is the author of confusion and contradiction? Or would it be more consistent with the confidence in God's wisdom to assume that this is NOT from God?

see link for more. He break it down so that you dull headed muslims will understand.
http://www.answering-islam.org/Quran/Contra/i001.html

lexiconkabir:
your problem is you copy and paste too much, now let me give an example of what the author of the site which you copied and pasted from did.

2+4=2x if and only if x is 3 and 2+8=5x if and only if x is 2, then an hypocrite come here and lie that I said x is 3 and later I said its 2 without giving the conditions, then he concludes that I am inconsistent, unknown to the people who were not there when I stated the condition of when the value of x should be 2 or 3, the ignorant people will also criticise me following the hypocrite.

having given that illustration, let the open minded people read this verse(I Dont know if you are one of them).

Allah instructs you concerning your
children: for the male, what is equal to
the share of two females. But if there
are [only] daughters, two or more, for
them is two thirds of one's estate. And
if there is only one, for her is half.
And for one's parents, to each one of
them is a sixth of his estate if he left
children. But if he had no children
and the parents [alone] inherit from
him, then for his mother is one third.
And if he had brothers [or sisters], for
his mother is a sixth, after any bequest
he [may have] made or debt. Your
parents or your children - you know
not which of them are nearest to you
in benefit. [These shares are] an
obligation [imposed] by Allah . Indeed,
Allah is ever Knowing and Wise.

And for you is half of what your wives
leave if they have no child. But if they
have a child, for you is one fourth of
what they leave, after any bequest
they [may have] made or debt. And for
the wives is one fourth if you leave no
child. But if you leave a child, then for
them is an eighth of what you leave,
after any bequest you [may have]
made or debt. And if a man or woman
leaves neither ascendants nor
descendants but has a brother or a
sister, then for each one of them is a
sixth. But if they are more than two,
they share a third, after any bequest
which was made or debt, as long as
there is no detriment [caused]. [This
is] an ordinance from Allah , and Allah
is Knowing and Forbearing.

for the honest people, do the maths accordingly.

I see how you did typed all this with your hands...dreamer . And by the way, Is it me that have issues or allah who complicate muslims with hard mathematical problems. Must you try so hard to fit in what is obviously not working?  What is the point of the quran giving specific rules if they are not obeyed? Muslims dont obey it. Its so complicating that the Shia and Sunni have thier version on hereditary shares. Both versions are NOT consistent with what the quran actually says. It doesnt work. Because Muhammad's mathematic is erronic. I will send you an article for you to read. Dont read it with bias mind. You will agree allah was not perfect in the hereditary law.

lexiconkabir:
Let me test your I.Q please dont embarrass yourself ooo, now, where is the moon? in the sky? at the atmosphere? or outside outside our planet earth?

Before you test my IQ, do yourself good by testing the quran to know if Muhammad had one? When will u realise that God is not in the quran and there's nothing scientific nor logical about whats written in it. The coran is load of gibberish that muslims are deluded from young to accept as 'too profound' for understanding. The moon is nearest to Earth, it is NOT further away than stars. Scientifically, the closest object to us is the Moon. Farther away is the Sun (and the planets of our solar system); much-much farther away are the stars of our galaxy, and other galaxies are even farther.

How can allah, made a grave error telling you that the Moon is at least as far as the stars? Muhammad  (SBUH) who had no knowledge of the true distances of the Moon, and the stars even the sun. Invented things that contradict reality. And you are here testing someone who question the error of Muhammad?

and secondly you seem to confine your knowledge of first heaven to the sky you see when you look up, right? even scientists have not discovered heaven yet, neither can they disprove it, now I dont know why you are laughing clueslessly, when no human has ever discovered any of the 7 seven heavens yet, not to talk of the first one.

According to Science, there is nothing like “heaven” in reality. What you look above ur heads is the bluish color of the lower portion of the atmosphere that surrounds the Earth. As a christian i believe heaven exist. But my believe is not the bluish atmosphere you and i see in the daytime.

muafrika:
I don't believe it did. The descendants of Ishmael are multiplied, aren't they? They are at war but they are multiplying too.

I suggested it does because nothing Good is coming out of this large arab people. The only religion they created is a blood drilling one. I am not been racist here. But speaking out of experience. The Arabs are very large people. But they have bad reputation. Take example, one of my friend back in Nigeria. Her father has 26 children but none went to high school. No progress some married at tender age to survive and some police problem here and then. Some of her brothers are without job or wife and are already in thier 40's. Will you say the man was blessed rather than his neighbour who had only 4 children and manage to train them. And all the 4 are well to do? Progress is not really how large a family is but how well. Thats my own opinion anyway.

smemud:
U are just a mere fritter

And you are...acerebral for saying that!

Sarah and her servant Hagar, a true story every woman should learn from.

Scholar8200:
I did not say God does not curse anyone. (some who got cursed asked for it.) However, The descendants of Ishmael, like all men are born with a depraved nature and once such reaches age of accountability , becomes responsible for their actions and choices.

Sure, I think God does bless and curse if He wants. Ishmael case to my ears does not look much like a promise but maybe an insult and perhaps a curse.

If you follow a stained man? He will stain you.
If you follow a clear/holy man He will purify you.

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miqos02:
too bad

• Isil released a message claiming responsibility, saying that France will remain a top target as long as it continues its policies, and it was targeting the capital of "prostitution and obscenity"

• Francois Hollande condemned a "planned act of war" by "Isil barbarians" and declared three days of mourning after the "cowardly" attack

• A Syrian passport found at the Stade de France bomb scene was used to claim asylum in Greece in October. It is not confirmed whether it belonged one of the bombers. Also found at the scene was an Egyptian passport

Summary of today's events

• French police have said that 129 have died, and 352 injured, of whom 99 are critical

• One Briton is confirmed to have died and "a handful" of others are feared to have been killed, a government source said. In total, about five British people are feared to have lost their lives in the attack.

• Three people have been arrested in Belgium this afternoon in relation to the attacks

• One the of the attackers, who was a 30-year-old French national, came from Courcouronnes, a suburb south of Paris. He was on a government terrorism watchlist and his identity was confirmed by his fingerprints

• It emerged that terrorists shot at people in wheelchairs at the Bataclan concert hall. A British man is feared to have died in the arms of a close friend there