jcross19: yes many angolan were born muslims as well but now since the ban , I have never see any attack in that country. France do the same or bring a very strict measure upon them. Islam will bring her own destruction.
France takes on radical Islamism: PM to SHUT DOWN mosques to wipe out 'poison' of jihadis FRENCH Prime Minister Manuel Valls says the country is to shut down mosques, cut foreign funding and police the content delivered in sermons in a massive crackdown on Islamic fundamentalism.
By SIOBHAN MCFADYEN 03:44, Wed, Aug 3, 2016 | UPDATED: 09:44, Wed, Aug 3, 2016
French Prime Minister Manuel Valls is to clamp down on radical islam calling it 'poison' The comments come following the murder of 86-year-old French Catholic priest Father Jacques Hamel who was killed on the altar during morning mass last Tuesday and three separate massacres in the country in just over a year.
In a newspaper interview Prime Minister Valls says the Republic has been forced to intervene to drive out the "poison" of radical Islamism.
And he has announced plans to shut down mosques supporting Salafism, an ultra-orthodox religious-political ideology based on a belief in "physical" jihadism practised by some followers of the Sunni faith.
get your facts RIGHT: it is extremists that are doing harm to France, NOT islam. French muslim (and the other 1.5 billions muslims all over the world) should not be blamed for the actions of a few extremists!
MRBrownJ: [s]YES i am pained that ignorant people such a yourself (or these extremists) are spewing nonsense, thinking that their moronic hatred views make any sense. at least its good, you dont try denying that you come on NL with multiple profile to spread your deluded religious campaign of hate (. the world will be a better place without ANY religion or any of its brainwashed sheep, such as yourself.
lol, the audacity of people who come to NL day and night to spread the filth of bigotry and hate... here is a clue: there is more to life than islam and muslims. i suggest you give it a rest![/s]
MRBrownJ: and this is coming from someone whose sole biased contributions on NL are nothing but threads against muslim/islam?! (lol,reminds me of Hitler) HIGHY LAUGHABLE! sadly, it is the opinion of dumbass narrow minded one sided bigots like yourself that we can all do without. you can use as many profiles you want here on NL, your writing will always ooze ignorance. you are just as brainwashed and deluded as these extremists OR the tribalistic idiots that infect NL/Nigeria... but hey, keep coming here to spew your hateful ignorant one sided views, i'll be here to discredit your nonsense with FACTS!
MBJ at your service
You said you are not Muslim but you are PAINED!! Following all my monikas.. I will creat lore anytime I am ban for exposing Islam!
You see you don't have something better to do with your time than to defend Islam. You claim to be French yet the fake Islamic spirit flows in your vains.
You Have failed woefully man. You have nothing to discredit. Be informed that Your long garbage will be ignored. Storyteller ! !
Empiree: [size=15pt]Pope Francis:[/size] I don’t like to speak of Islamic violence, because every day, when I browse the newspapers, I see violence, here in Italy… this one who has murdered his girlfriend, another who has murdered the mother-in-law… and these are baptized Catholics! There are violent Catholics! If I speak of Islamic violence, I must speak of Catholic violence . . .
atuanso: [s]Why are people so quick to castigate the holy prophet. He was sent by God to unite a people and preach the message of peace.
How would that nation have been if the prophet was not around to nuture them to peace. He never said he was God unlike christ. He admits that he was a man. limitations are consistent with men irrespective of whether or not they are prophets. Moses was a prophet, he married more than one wife fought and wage wars even disobeyed God himself. Did that stop him from being a great prophet?
Why christ was said to be the greatest for me amongs all the prophets was because he first diswade himself from the things of this world by declaring that his kingdom was not of this world. There for he was able to fully preach this message without hindrace. He said he was God and acted it out.
I believe if there is problem today, its with Christians and their. Inability to communicate who Christ is in actions and love. Christ never said he was a Christian. All we do is talk.
Christ was not much a talker anymore he was a doer.
Even if we understand all mysteries and posses all knowledge but we have not love., Paul say we are like sounding brass.
This was why the greatest story in the bible WAs that of the good Samaritan.
Let us quit with the mental accentuation of who Christ is and start following the spirit Christ.( love, forgiveness, truth, hope, faith in God) we all be united soon irrespective of which faith We belong.
atuanso: [s]Why are people so quick to castigate the holy prophet. He was sent by God to unite a people and preach the message of peace.
How would that nation have been if the prophet was not around to nuture them to peace. He never said he was God unlike christ. He admits that he was a man. limitations are consistent with men irrespective of whether or not they are prophets. Moses was a prophet, he married more than one wife fought and wage wars even disobeyed God himself. Did that stop him from being a great prophet?
Why christ was said to be the greatest for me amongs all the prophets was because he first diswade himself from the things of this world by declaring that his kingdom was not of this world. There for he was able to fully preach this message without hindrace. He said he was God and acted it out.
I believe if there is problem today, its with Christians and their. Inability to communicate who Christ is in actions and love. Christ never said he was a Christian. All we do is talk.
Christ was not much a talker anymore he was a doer.
Even if we understand all mysteries and posses all knowledge but we have not love., Paul say we are like sounding brass.
This was why the greatest story in the bible WAs that of the good Samaritan.
Let us quit with the mental accentuation of who Christ is and start following the spirit Christ.( love, forgiveness, truth, hope, faith in God) we all be united soon irrespective of which faith We belong.
MRBrownJ: bro, dont just believe cluelessly all the rubbish the media feeds you, and instead EDUCATE YOURSELF. here is my contribution to your education (thank me later):
You are only deceiving yourself. No one here is taking serious your long garbage you put up there. You are just an equivocator! A Muslim is a Muslim no Offence.
Why is it only the Qur'an people read and become radicals?
You don't know what you are saying.
He will point at the bible. My brother living in Abuja told me that Muslims are now going out with knife. That any Christian they meet on their way preaching the Gospel should be killed. The Lasthe time I checked on this Thread. 1.5 billion Muslims are peaceful people. .
true2god: It is only a Muslim, a blind and a deaf and dumb man that will tell you that Islam is not deadly. The foundation of is Islam is fraught with wars, genocide and discriminations against non-Muslims and will forever remain so because allahh commanded it (Quran 9:29-30, Quran 8:39, Quran 8:60, Quran 2:191-2, Quran 5:51, Quran 98:6, sahib Bukhari 4:52:256, etc) until the civilized world is determined to destroy Islam and put it in a right classification as a political religion with the aim of global conquest and annihilation of other religions and culture.
In Belgium another priest was attacked in a church by another Muslim. This trend will continue until a real rage will emerge in Europe which will lead to civil wars in Europe and mass deportation of Muslims of Arab/African descent and the complete destruction of all mosques. This incident had happen in Spain and France before, mass deportation of Muslims and destruction of all mosques, and I can see history repeating itself in a much larger scale.
The mistake is with the European politicians who open their doors to mass Arab migration. Arabs/Muslims are never raised to be loyal to the kafirs nor to accept their culture and constitution which is diametrically opposite to Shari'a and a judeo-christian values. It won't end well, you don't put a cat and dog in the same barn. Providence had already separated the Europeans from the Arabs, the European have no business allowing a hostile people and culture in their countries in such a large scale.
Some muslim here say Muslims are peaceful. What a liar!! Even The interior minister said that, there have been several reports that some mosque do preach hate. Hate preaching cannot aline with the French system. I have said it before and will say it again. If we take a goo look at the Islamic books. One will come to ask why are Muslims living in a secular countries when they are supposed to be enemies with them. Islam has no place in the West. It's home town is in the middle East. Muslims in Europe are fake Muslims. They are not obeying the Quran. You say the West are kafirs yet you run to them for help. You hate them with passion to the extend of killing their babies.
MRBrownJ: BWAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH! [size=14pt]i see that you are trying everything to act like you are making sense, when it is obvious you aint. [/size]
I should be the one to tell you this.
ok, here is for your FURTHER EDUCATION:
Go and educate yourself. You are bias in your argument.
[s] A) it is a WELL KNOWN fact that Zinedine Zidane has had double nationality due to his parents (many naturalised citizen do), thats why he could have played professional football for FRANCE or ALGERIA, but chose France. has this EVER made him any less a French citizen than anyone else? of course not! shouldnt that make him a French national born a muslim? yes it does! this is a simple example of what France stands for... LIBERTÉ ÉGALITÉ FRATERNITÉ.
B) what should a BIOGRAPHY say about a person, if not their ancestry?! your ORIGIN/ANCESTRY is an important part of a biography, therefore where your parents came from MUST be mentioned, DUH! every single person's wiki page states where their PARENTS came from. Sarkozy Wiki page says his father was hungarian, Francois Hollande's page also states his parent ancestry, why do you think that it should be any different with black/arab citizen's biography?! this is the information that should be on anyone's biography, and this has NOTHING to do with the context in which you stated that French citizen are not viewed as french by the media when they commit crimes, as their ancestry is mentioned. so, my question IS: have you ever seen media bring such biography when mentioning crimes committed by French citizen (unless it is terror attacks)?!
we all know the medias with their fear mongering and scare tactics are quick to label the religion of these French terrorist, in order to further their bias propaganda, but it is important to know the full background of any French terrorist (aka their ancestry/background etc) to have an idea where/when/how they could have fell and got radicalized. this is what we ALL want to know, and has nothing to do with your claim that the media mention such ancestry every time a "foreign" French citizen does a crime.
if you have nothing to bring to the table then be quiet instead of bringing RUBBISH to this discussion.
EVERY human being have ancestors that can be traced from ANY part of this world, does that have any relevance to this discussion and the fact that there are born French muslims today? stick to the issue at hand. so i will repeat what i have been saying since the beginning:TODAY IN FRANCE, THERE ARE NO 2ND CLASS CITIZEN, we are all viewed and treated EQUAL as one nation, therefore, regardless of your origin, MANY FRENCH CITIZEN ARE BORN MUSLIM, as much as you hate to hear that... and if you dont viewed them as French nationals because their origins cannot be traced to the celtes/Gaulois (very few can), then that is YOUR cross to bare.
does that make these French nationals be viewed as any less French than others? OF COURSE NOT!!!! and this is what i am trying to tell you for god knows how long. France of today is a multicultural nation, with citizen that can be born muslims (or any other religion).
i feel sorry for you and your poor/failed state of mind... as if a person's Origin was relevant in France today. it may be in your mind (no wonder tribalism is rampant in Nigeria), but IN FRANCE, Rachida dati/Manuel Valls, Zinedine Zidane and co are just as French as Francois Hollande. it is only people who are clueless about France and our values, that would say such an ignorant statement about people you know nothing about.
i guess since they speak creole in such place as their mother tongue, they also cannot be considered French citizen neither, right? bwaaaah!
yes i am pointing fingers at the amount of litter that you are bringing to this thread trying poorly to make a point. so i will repeat my earlier statement, so you dont try to smokescreen this issue: France has 10% of its NATIONAL population that are muslim, and many French citizen are BORN MUSLIM. so far as i know, a person's origin is NOT required when they make the census on French nationals/popuation, thus YOUR narrow minded views on who can be viewed as French citizen (and/or subsequently muslims) are irrelevant. the French gov and the majority of the French population view these citizen as French, and thats all that should matter here.
so the media makes a detail background check on these terrorist AND THEIR PARENTS, but you would want them to NOT mention where their parents are from? do make some sort of sense pls?
such above statement in bold makes you just as ignorant as these terrorists, but the gov is RIGHT about closing these mosque that spread hatred and create these extremist. is that what is preached in all mosques in France? of course not, but hey, here is an information that may pain you:
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia In France there are currently 2300 mosques with a further 200 to 250 planned.
you have the right to your own biased views, but i would suggest you open a bible someday and educate yourself on the issue
the man was baptised, and if you've ever read "Mein kampf" then such notion is OBVIOUS, but hey dont take my words for it and instead, here is part of his speech:"Hence today I believe that I am acting in accordance with the will of the Almighty Creator: by defending myself against the Jew, I am fighting for the work of the Lord."
bwaaaah, are we talking about the same bible that demands DEATH for not listening to priest, DEATH for fornicators, DEATH for adulterers, DEATH for followers of other religion, DEATH for non believers, DEATH for false prophet, DEATH for non virgins on their wedding night, DEATH for homosexuals, DEATH for witches and wizards, DEATH for cursing your parents?! a bible that warrant infanticide, murder, rape, slavery etc
thats a lot of death/destruction and evil deeds dont you think, for a religion of supposed"peace"?!...but here is a great verse that really portrays the LOVE from that said bible....1 Samuel 15:3: "This is what the Lord Almighty says ... 'Now go and strike Amalek and devote to destruction all that they have. Do not spare them, but kill both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.' "
also, i suggest you educate yourself on christianity and its crusades and inquisition, and wave of genocide/enslavement and destruction through time.[/s]
You are very partial in your views. Am through with talking with you.
You cannot back up your claim that Hitler was a Christian. If he was who did he copied? Ask yourself did Jésus kill that anyone will have to kill in his name? The difference between Muhammad, his army and Jésus and his disciples is this. Jésus message and action is love, peace and life. And His disciples followed his example. They didn't kill a soul. While Muhammad''s message is hate, war and death. Muhammad killed millions and his followers did kill too. That's why a true Muslim must kill. Is is and Co are the true Muslim.
France Shuts Down Another 20 ‘Radical Islam, Hate Preaching Mosques’
On Monday, French Interior Minister Bernard Cazeneuve announced that French security forces have shut down 20 mosques accused of spreading toxic radical-Islamic ideology since December.
“There is no place…in France for those who call for and incite hatred in prayer halls or in mosques, and who don’t respect certain republican principles, notably equality between men and women,” said Cazeneuve. “That is why I took the decision a few months ago to close mosques through the state of emergency, legal measures or administrative measures. About 20 mosques have been closed, and there will be others
MRBrownJ: absolute RUBBISH!!!! there is NO such thing as 2nd class citizen OR origine Francais (whatever that is) OR white citizen ONLY viewed as true French nationals. there will NEVER BE, from the day France decided to invade the world and establish/enslave colonies all around the world... as if any black person from Guadeloupe/Martinique etc is less French than a White citizen?! highly laughable! here is a clue: France (and the whole of Europe) is a culturally MIXED continent with citizen coming in difference ethnic background and RELIGION. why would you wrongly assume that a person born and bred in France (whatever their colour/religion), who never held any other citizenship but that of France, has less claim as a citizen than a white person?! thats sickening to think that people think the way you do. such has NEVER happened in France. not even Marine Le Pen (or her father) will EVER dare say that only a white person can be considered French, yet here you are saying so, RUBBISH! you are clueless about this issue and i will say it again: you definitely aint French OR doesnt know anything about France and its citizen, if you think that any national citizen of colour is a 2nd class citizen. Europe today is made of 2nd/3rd generation citizen from immigrants parentage that are considered just as Europeans as anyone else! you definitely live in LALA LAND and think you know anything about France after spending a few yrs there. GET REAL! there are NO 2nd class citizen in France!
you are very clueless about this whole issue, and keep pretending that you know anything, while sadly you dont! LET ME EDUCATE YOU, IF I MAY: 1) the Tunisian terrorist was NOT French, he was TUNISIAN, he had a "carte de séjour", and no French citizen will ever have one! carte de séjour are "resident permits" made for foreigners living in France. his resident permit was valid until 14/01/2019 (check the photo i posted below for confirmation). French citizen will NEVER held a resident permit, we have "carte d'identité" (identity cards)!!!! so this Tunisian man could never have been French, and will remain a TUNISIAN terrorist who was living legally in France. BWAAAAAAH
2) yes, when there is a crime committed by a black/arab person, his ETHNIC BACKGROUND (or religion) is put in perspective... but i have NEVER EVER read a newspaper/media talk about that person's parent nationality, if that person was BORN in France! but hey, i dare you to prove me wrong!
again, stop showing your ignorance on an issue you know very little about (aka my person).... if my NIGERIAN father became a French citizen before i was born, then i am French BY FILIATION and there is no box to tick, just like gazillions of us 2nd/3rd generation children of immigrants. but does that make me or anyone else less a citizen than any other "white" French person?! HELL NO (ask Sarkozy and his Hungarian father for confirmation)! furthermore, there are NO french documents that says "French but originE étranger", for French citizen, NONE, unless that person want to issue his/her identity card, and needs to prove their nationality (aka filiation/birth/naturalised), but i repeat that there are NO official document for French nationals where it is written "french but origine étranger"... and i DARE you to prove me wrong!!!!but even if there was, that should NOT make such person a 2nd class citizen in the community, as there is VERY little to differentiate who is from foreign parents, from who is from French parents, from who is from west indian parents (antillais), from who was naturalised, BY THE LOOK on their faces. is Zidane less French than Thierry henry because he was born in France from Algerian parents, while Henry's parents were from Guadeloupe? HELL NO! this is why we are a multi cultural nation, and A) there can NEVER be French nationals viewed as 2nd class citizen in France (unless you ask racists and neo nazis groups), and B) many French citizen are born muslim, aka 2nd/3rd generations from immigrant, that are just as French as anyone else. educated yourself on what you obviously DONT KNOW!
again, there are millions of 2nd/3rd generation children of muslim immigrants that are FRENCH NATIONALS and BORN MUSLIM (go ask Zidane and his children). you can call it whatever YOU desire, but that doesnt change the damn fact!
the majority of muslims in France DONT take such notion for granted, its the radicalised extremists who DO! get your facts right!
- WHO cares what goes inside the mind of radicalised extremists?! these are terror acts that were sanctioned by EVERYONE, muslims from around the world included... and last i check, almost 30muslims died in the terror attacks in Nice, so yes, muslims are VICTIMS of (and against) these terrorist too! - France (Europe) is the focus of these terror attacks due to our policies, war on terror, and bombing campaign in the middle east... it started from sept 11, when their focus was mainly the US, but now they have shifted to Europe as they have easier access. - YES, we French (and Europeans) are free, and we should NEVER be scared to live our lives, because thats exactly what these terrorists wants us to do (be scared!) - I have NEVER EVER mentioned the word "kafir", nor here on NL or in life. you must be mistaking me for true2god. - YES, i love MYSELF, love my country, love my people (regardless of colour/religion), and just because some few terrorists (and/or racists) are French, wont change that fact! - i am NOT muslim, so i have no idea what you are talking about, and proudly stand by LIBERTÉ ÉGALITÉ FRATERNITÉ, thus can give my opinion on any subject (unless you believe that only muslims can defend such religious issues?!)
stop being an hypocrite!!!! when Hitler used the bible to kill millions of jews, did we blame christianity?! when entire nations like the american indians/aborigenes were wiped from the face of this earth by Christians, did we blame christianity?! when christian school kids in the US are going on killing spree, shooting innocent people, do we blame christianity?!
the verses in the quran are the same as those in the Bible. if it is OK for the majority of christians to use their brain and "understand" that you shouldnt take literally the stoning/killing professed in the bible, why should that be any different for muslims and whats written in the quran?!
get your facts RIGHT: it is extremists that are doing harm to France, NOT islam. French muslim (and the other 1.5 billions muslims all over the world) should not be blamed for the actions of a few extremists!
why should islam rule the world?! do you actually believe that this is the aim of the peaceful 1.5billion muslims all over the world?!
BIOGRAPHIE DE PATRICE EVRA Patrice Evra est un footballeur professionnel français né le 15 mai 1981 à Dakar, d'une mère sénégalaise et d'un père guinéen.
No matter how you try to quibble it, It won't change facts. That you are French today doesnt say you do not have a mother tongue. No matter your citizenship, at a point of time you will be traced to your descendants. Evra is French but his origin must be appended for one to fully know his root. The late Coulibaly and the Kouachi brothers were also tagged with thier origin. It has nothing to do with 2rd class.
I never talk about second class but telling you that The footballers you are talking about are not French origin. Prove see Evra, Zidane etc. In the French gouvernement circle, see Rachida dati, Manuel Valls and co.
François Hollande is a French Citizen. His mother tongue is French. Those people you claim to be born Muslims are not French Origin but French citizens from a foreign origin. I have never seen any French Origin be it White or Black that was born Muslim. But majority of French Origin people are born Catholic. You even hear them say it when on interview.
If you bring Martinique, Guadeloupe, Guyane etc into this discussion, then we will completely divert the aim of this thread because it will take us back to politic and History. I don't have time to waste urging such.
Point of correction, I never mentioned white or black in my previews poste. You are the one pointing fingers here. You Digress so often that the main argument cannot even accomplish its aim. Please stay on the topic. Or Are you a Muslim but pretending to be evenhanded? Because The way you are defending Islam is convincing!
Plappvillemoi: Islam is a Canc.er. The founder was a pedophile, a rapist to crown it all a (womaniser). In the Hadith we are told that Muhammed used to have intercourse with his wives, 9 of them, within one hour, day or night. And that he was given the sexual power of 30 men. Muhammed alla.h always give him what the One true God never give to any man in History. Imagin the toilet rules of this thread.. SMH for Muslims.
truthmans2012: Hahaa sister, why should you say wherever Muhammad is, you should know where he is nau. Quran says he is in hellfire with other muslims.
Really? Sura please. You wont believe what i saw today. This morning i was in a shopping certer. I saw people gathering, i draw closer and discovered that a Muslim family were embarrassed. They claimed someone called them terrorist. They were oink oinking like the pigs they forbid.. I think this is just the beginning. What a shame to Muslims because of thier atrocities. They are now facing embarrassment.
Islam is a Canc.er. The founder was a pedophile, a rapist to crown it all a (womaniser). In the Hadith we are told that Muhammed used to have intercourse with his wives, 9 of them, within one hour, day or night. And that he was given the sexual power of 30 men. Muhammed alla.h always give him what the One true God never give to any man in History. Imagin the toilet rules of this thread.. SMH for Muslims.
Christianity Etc › Re: ☆☆☆Lets Read This Book. The People Vs Mohammed☆☆☆ by Plappvillemoi(f): 11:26pm On Aug 03, 2016
SMH for Muslims.
