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OBALOLA55:


WILL NOT LIKE THIS NEWS

Nbotee:
Trace kor, MTVBase ni... Them tell U say dem no know who the sponsors are? The former CBN deputy governor has told anyone who cares to listen that those who wanted GEJ out by all means brought in these people to wreck havoc. And who are those who wanted GEJ out by all means?? The same govt of the day..

Subsidybad21:
Not here to defend government or to defend bandits or Buhari

But let's be honest, tracing Bandits money is not going to be that easy

For starters, ENDSARS protest leaders used the banks and opened accounts in their name or accounts linked to them. That enabled authorites to trace them with ease.Because they left a paper trail. They even left account details for donations on line....making it easier for everyone including DSS and other government agents to trace them

As for your average bandit....I doubt they use the normal banking system. If anything, they probably keep their money outside of it. Some savvy kidnappers have been reported to use bitcoin, but on the whole bandits probably don't use the banks to keep their money.

Most bandits get money this way...ask the person delivering ransom to drop a bag of money in a remote location. No cops, or else. Not 'transfer money via a bank account'...easy to catch, especially in this era of BVN.

Or if they did, I suspect they have a series of varied fronts, and prolly don't register the accounts in their names.

Once you don't leave a paper trail, the work of the police in tracing you becomes harder.

lexy2014:
Simple question: how does Sheik Gumi no d operational bases of bandits& d govt with all it's security structures& apparatuses doesn't no?

Subsidybad21:
Not here to defend government or to defend bandits or Buhari

But let's be honest, tracing Bandits money is not going to be that easy

For starters, ENDSARS protest leaders used the banks and opened accounts in their name or accounts linked to them. That enabled authorites to trace them with ease.Because they left a paper trail. They even left account details for donations on line....making it easier for everyone including DSS and other government agents to trace them

As for your average bandit....I doubt they use the normal banking system. If anything, they probably keep their money outside of it. Some savvy kidnappers have been reported to use bitcoin, but on the whole bandits probably don't use the banks to keep their money.

Most bandits get money this way...ask the person delivering ransom to drop a bag of money in a remote location. No cops, or else. Not 'transfer money via a bank account'...easy to catch, especially in this era of BVN.

Or if they did, I suspect they have a series of varied fronts, and prolly don't register the accounts in their names.

Once you don't leave a paper trail, the work of the police in tracing you becomes harder.

ignis:
Unfortunately, they won't do it because they are the major beneficiary of the insecurity ravaging the country.

Subsidybad21:
Not here to defend government or to defend bandits or Buhari

But let's be honest, tracing Bandits money is not going to be that easy

For starters, ENDSARS protest leaders used the banks and opened accounts in their name or accounts linked to them. That enabled authorites to trace them with ease.Because they left a paper trail. They even left account details for donations on line....making it easier for everyone including DSS and other government agents to trace them

As for your average bandit....I doubt they use the normal banking system. If anything, they probably keep their money outside of it. Some savvy kidnappers have been reported to use bitcoin, but on the whole bandits probably don't use the banks to keep their money.

Most bandits get money this way...ask the person delivering ransom to drop a bag of money in a remote location. No cops, or else. Not 'transfer money via a bank account'...easy to catch, especially in this era of BVN.

Or if they did, I suspect they have a series of varied fronts, and prolly don't register the accounts in their names.

Once you don't leave a paper trail, the work of the police in tracing you becomes harder.

Subsidybad21:
Not here to defend government or to defend bandits or Buhari

But let's be honest, tracing Bandits money is not going to be that easy

For starters, ENDSARS protest leaders used the banks and opened accounts in their name or accounts linked to them. That enabled authorites to trace them with ease.Because they left a paper trail. They even left account details for donations on line....making it easier for everyone including DSS and other government agents to trace them

As for your average bandit....I doubt they use the normal banking system. If anything, they probably keep their money outside of it. Some savvy kidnappers have been reported to use bitcoin, but on the whole bandits probably don't use the banks to keep their money.

Most bandits get money this way...ask the person delivering ransom to drop a bag of money in a remote location. No cops, or else. Not 'transfer money via a bank account'...easy to catch, especially in this era of BVN.

Or if they did, I suspect they have a series of varied fronts, and prolly don't register the accounts in their names.

Once you don't leave a paper trail, the work of the police in tracing you becomes harder.

Subsidybad21:
I'm not the sheikh, but presumably he asked guys who knew guys, who knew someone who would talk to the bandits on his behalf

He also was probably contacted directly by them

Anyway, the above is speculation. I don't know the answer myself. You ask the sheikh.

Lordave:
Ogbeni, unless you’re a government official, please leave this useless government to respond to this. If you know all these, then you should know that there’s no means of payment in this Earth that is untraceable.

You said you’re not here to defend Booohari and the bandits, it’s ok, but what you typed here looks like a defensive case from a SAN for Bandits.

lexy2014:
U said u don't no& that I should ask d Sheik. Did u ask d Sheik before u said this:

"...but presumably he asked guys who knew guys, who knew someone who would talk to the bandits on his behalf

He also was probably contacted directly by them"

So u mean with all d govt resources, d govt can't ask "guys who knew guys who knew someone..."?

If u say u don't no, how did u arrive at ur long epistle as to why d govt can't trace bandits funding?

harjay1986:
wait a minute you mean once a group of people get kidnap, and they demand let say 300million naira, someone will now go to bank withdraw the money, put it in a bag and drop it off,somewhere, , I understand the bitcoin own but if truly the government want to clampdown on banditry, they know what to do,

even if you dont leave any paper trail, if such situation come up why cant i go and print fake currency and drop it for them in the bush when I know no one is goin to count it immediatelly....

Goverment have shares on the ransome thats why banditry is a juicy offer

Reference:
Oga. Wake up to proper citizenship and stop making excuses for poor governance.
Let the authorities simply apply the same diligence, that's all.
The police and secret services have other tools for obtaining information if they are interested.

Subsidybad21:
Reading, and paying attention to the news on crime in Nigeria , especially banditry, kidnapping, etc..

Subsidybad21:
Well, I am not. I am just stating why it is easier for ENDSARS to be traced by government compared to bandits...and in the end it is because bandits don't use the official systems...so tracing them gets a bit harder.(not impossible)

Subsidybad21:
Depends, that's why I said at the end, the job is harder.

Unless the law has infiltrators among the bandits (possible)...who are able to relay details about how the bandits secrete away their money. Also tracking phone calls, etc.

By contrast ENDSARS used the banking system like every legal person. Easy for donrs to transfer money, etc. Also easy for DSS to trace



No, I read widely, and pay attention to the news. Kidnapping is a serious issue in Nigeria, and has been for years.

Sometime ago. someone known by one of my uncles was kidnapped. The ransom for his freedom was delivered not through the banking system but dropped off at a designated site. Man freed, money to this day not traced, nor were the kidnappers. Happened in the South.

Also in the South, some kidnappers used the banking system...making it easy for the cops to catch them one by one and get the money back.

It stands to reason, and it has been reported, that similar methods are used in the North...plus, why should a criminal make it easy for the law to catch him in this era of increased biometrics?

By the way, I wonder what possesed your mind to think that I was a SAN to bandits. That is not true, nor do I defend criminals or bandits here.

lexy2014:
Is it from your "Reading, and paying attention to the news on crime in Nigeria , especially banditry, kidnapping, etc.." that u arrived at d following?:

"...but presumably he asked guys who knew guys, who knew someone who would talk to the bandits on his behalf"

So u mean with all d govt resources, d govt can't ask "guys who knew guys who knew someone..."?

Subsidybad21:
Simple, I suspect they check the goods to see if they are genuine. Cash inclusive. Any sign of fakes, the kidnap victims get killed.(I recall one kidnap case where the kidnappers first confirmed receipt of the money, and checked it, then freed the kidnap victims.

Your average criminal is not foolish.



I daresay some government officals are in on it....but at the same time, banditry is juicy mostly because people agree to pay ransoms because they are afraid their brethren would be killed otherwise. Especially if the cops are brought in. (Joseph Yobo said in an interview, shortly after his elder bro was kidnapped, that he paid a ransom to free him because he was worried that the kdnappers would kill his bro. He even said that he asked the police to back off.).

Also throw in the fact that the police is not well equipped to fight the kind of banditry and kidnapping practiced in Nigeria.

Subsidybad21:
I did say that I was speculating, old chap.

I did not say 'I knew'.

You are just arguing for the sake of arguing, so I won't answer you again.

Good morning.

Lordave:
Normally, tracing the source of funds for booohari bandits is always going to be a hard but to crack, no one expects it to be as easy as tracing ordinary wrong bank deposit. Also, EndSars protesters could have chosen to make it quite as difficult to trace their fundings if they knew that the animal in Aso Rock would go the unimaginable extent of freezing legitimate citizens account just for exercising their right to life.

And when you just come to openly tell people how difficult it could be to trace bandits funds it automatically makes this docile government more docile on the issue of the day. Just watch how they will broadcast this your reply to Nigerians and also watch Nigerians forget this topic was ever raised.

Subsidybad21:
You are just arguing for the sake of arguing, so I won't answer you again.