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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by raumdeuter: 4:07pm On Mar 20, 2021
wirinet:

False premise. Nigeria has one of the most appalling doctor to patient ratio in the world. The country is said to have an estimated 40,000 doctors for a population of 200 million.

There are at least 40 Universities in Nigeria offering Medicine in Nigeria each graduating at least 100 students every year. Making at least 4,000 Doctors graduating every year. In 10yrs that is 40,000. Why are there 40K doctors in Nigeria to a population of 200M? Because a vast majority of them cannot get work and are on a farm somewhere instead of being in hospitals

Below is what the Nigerian minister of labor who is also a Medical doctor said. Now tell me why shouldnt Doctors leave Nigeria

One of the programme anchors had asked him if he was worried about the rate doctors leave Nigeria to which he responded: “No, I am not worried (about doctors leaving the country). We have surplus. If you have surplus, you export.
“It happened some years ago here. I was taught chemistry and biology by Indian teachers in my secondary school days.

“There are surplus in their country and we also have surplus in the medical profession in our country. I can tell you this. In my area, we have excess.

“Who said we don’t have enough doctors? We have more than enough. You can quote me. There is nothing wrong in them travelling out.”

https://www.thecable.ng/ngige-we-have-enough-doctors-those-who-want-to-go-abroad-are-free

The case of engineers is even worse than that of doctors. Brain drain has rendered Nigeria practically without competent engineers needed to develop the country.

The case with Engineers is also similar, For every Engineering class in who graduated from a top Nigerian School between 10-15yrs ago, 50% of them have travelled out, 40% of them are either unemployed or underemployed. These are working as bankers and teachers. 10% of them are working as Engineers

Now tell me what they should do since you dont want them to travel out



I read the story, and according to my comprehension, I don't see how the guy will join those developing America. From the story he got a scholarship from a patriotic Nigerian to study for PhD. He will pay well over $100,000 to the US economy (with $75,000/year for tuition alone). The issue is what happens after the PhD programme? If it was Trump, he would be deported back to Nigeria to use his PhD to develop his country. But Biden might want to use his skills to develop America.

What I understand is The 3 guys helped him with the application fee, GRE fees and mentoring. The 100K is a scholarship from the school itself. SMU a very conservative school decided to give a Nigerian scholarship worth 100K to study in their school not minding his color, while all you can see is black vs white

The immigration policy proposed by Trump will actually favor people like him, who are highly educated in the Canadian immigration style he will get to stay. He will likely become something in life instead of being a farmer and a lesson teacher in Ebonyi




It is not that Nigeria does not need him, the problem is that Nigerian and the black race in general lacks the foresight, planning, sacrifice and cohesiveness necessary for progress. Just like you and most people on this topic supporting brain drain and cracked down on immigration at the same time, they are short sighted, selfish and self hating. They are happy at the current state of their country, state, village and even family (extended).

So you are suggesting Nigeria should stop wasting money training and educating it's citizens? Maybe the government's both federal and state should hands of education and sell of the universities. That will actually show Nigeria does not want people like Emmanuel Nworie.

You wrote lenghty but did not say one thing Emmanuel Nworie should have done instead of joining the brain drain. This is the problem with politics, never givng practical solutions, Dateline October 2020, Mr Nworie is in the farm, what should Mr Nworie do about his life?


What will be the benefit to Nigeria and even Michael Taiwo if Michael Taiwo after getting his PhD decides to stay in the US to develop their country, and never coming back to contribute anything to the country and people that gave him the opportunities to succeed?
Michael Taiwo actually stayed back after his PhD and he is helping the country that needed him to develop, Maybe if he was in Nigeria, he too will be in a farm in Ekiti harvesting yams with his First class



It's not a matter of black vs white, it's a matter of promoting group interests. It makes sense to promote your family, clan, tribal, country and race interest for your own long term interests. Blacks are the only race I know that promotes the interests of other groups to the detriment of their own group interest, for short term personal gains. They are the only people I know that loathe and denigrate their own village people and ancestors but worships the ancestors of other races.

I cannot tell how encouraging brilliant Nigerians to immigrate to where their talents are appreciated becomes self hating and racism. I know some people see racism even in the food they eat

Skill and brains don't develop themselves, they cost money to develop. What i am saying is that if the US, Canada, UK and Australia wants best brains and skills, they should spend the money to train their own people like the Chinese, Japanese and Koreans do. But it's immoral to wait for poor nations to spend their meagre resourcing developing brains and skills only for them to steal them.
In the alternative they can invest in Nigeria and poor countries by funding their universities. They would then have the moral justification to take them after they become skilled

All you have said is simply long stories without practical solutions.

A Nigerian minster encouraged smart people to leave the country because Nigeria does not have opportunities for them. What would you do if you were in their shoe?

Its hypocrisy when over 80% of people here are either abroad or planning to move abroad while we are complaining about brain drain

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by TEODIN: 4:17pm On Mar 20, 2021
Timiofak:



I didnt even see this sef, this is a lie oooo

it was after the election, Trump supported 2k checks, and it was when pelosi played mcconnel.

I think December ending

after the election

And mcconnel wasn't going to pass neither.

so shey you see those Republicans are serious at all.

And free market is a joke

There is nothing like free-market anywhere, any law concerning the economy, it has been lobbied by a company that is going to benefit from it, both democrats and republicans are guilty of that

I don't believe in the so-called ”free market” it sounds good on paper and looks good, but humans would be humans, greedy ones would surely arise. There is always a way monopoly comes is

I believe some things shouldn't be let to free market, or else it's full-blown anarchy

We are seeing it in Nigeria right now

Nigeria has one of the largest limestone resource

Yet we have the most expensive bag of cement in the whole world

why? One greedy ”capitalist” as gone to corner the limestone deport and gone for an 80 years lease.

so I believe some sectors should be managed solely by the government.

so you can call me 60% socialist.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by TEODIN: 4:30pm On Mar 20, 2021
Timiofak:



I didnt even see this sef, this is a lie oooo

it was after the election, Trump supported 2k checks, and it was when pelosi played mcconnel.

I think December ending

after the election

And mcconnel wasn't going to pass neither.

so shey you see those Republicans are serious at all.

And free market is a joke

There is nothing like free-market anywhere, any law concerning the economy, it has been lobbied by a company that is going to benefit from it, both democrats and republicans are guilty of that

I don't believe in the so-called ”free market” it sounds good on paper and looks good, but humans would be humans, greedy ones would surely arise. There is always a way monopoly comes is

I believe some things shouldn't be let to free market, or else it's full-blown anarchy

We are seeing it in Nigeria right now

Nigeria has one of the largest limestone resource

Yet we have the most expensive bag of cement in the whole world

why? One greedy ”capitalist” as gone to corner the limestone deport and gone for an 80 years lease.

so I believe some sectors should be managed solely by the government.

so you can call me 60% socialist.

I made a mistake with the figures it was $1200 dollars Trump was offering per individuals which brought the total figure to 1.8 trillion dollars which Pelosi rejected saying she wants 2.2 trillion dollars but after the Election she and McConnell agreed on a $900 billion deal which was lower than what Trump was offering.. It was a political move at the detriment of their suffering Constituents in a pandemic that’s my point, Republicans were wrong in trying to obstruct A palliative for political reasons, the same way Democrats are wrong for doing the same thing .. I am not here to support or against any side, I stand for what’s True, What’s Fair and What’s Just..

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Timiofak(m): 4:37pm On Mar 20, 2021
TEODIN:

I made a mistake with the figures it was $1200 dollars Trump was offering per individuals which brought the total figure to 1.8 trillion dollars which Pelosi rejected saying she wants 2.2 trillion dollars but after the Election she and McConnell agreed on a $900 billion deal which was lower than what Trump was offering.. It was a political move at the detriment of their suffering Constituents in a pandemic that’s my point, Republicans were wrong in trying to obstruct A palliative for political reasons, the same way Democrats are wrong for doing the same thing .. I am not here to support or against any side, I stand for what’s True, What’s Fair and What’s Just..

The New York post grin


Same Bernie that had been gunning for 2k since before the election

I repeat this is a lie.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by TEODIN: 4:44pm On Mar 20, 2021
Timiofak:


The New York post grin


Same Bernie that had been gunning for 2k since before the election

I repeat this is a lie.
Bernie has been gunning for $2k, Trump was offering $1200 before the election, only for Pelosi to support $600 after the Election that was what Bernie was criticizing.. so tell me the news channel you believe I will bring the news from there, Maybe you can hear the reason Pelosi gave for switching from them.. is time magazine okay for you??

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Cornpop: 4:52pm On Mar 20, 2021
TEODIN:

You are the ill-informed person here, I refuse to hate like you.. go and read history, Republicans freed the slaves, the first 23 black people in congress was through the Republican Party when other parties were refusing black people to contest Elections.. Even CNN is not denying that Republicans ended slavery

Lmao. Okay. Remember Joe Biden fought to keep segregation. Not this Biden too abi?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Cornpop: 4:55pm On Mar 20, 2021
The media always try to tell you the sky is purple

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Cornpop: 4:59pm On Mar 20, 2021
TEODIN:

I made a mistake with the figures it was $1200 dollars Trump was offering per individuals which brought the total figure to 1.8 trillion dollars which Pelosi rejected saying she wants 2.2 trillion dollars but after the Election she and McConnell agreed on a $900 billion deal which was lower than what Trump was offering.. It was a political move at the detriment of their suffering Constituents in a pandemic that’s my point, Republicans were wrong in trying to obstruct A palliative for political reasons, the same way Democrats are wrong for doing the same thing .. I am not here to support or against any side, I stand for what’s True, What’s Fair and What’s Just..

Stop wasting your time. These people only knows orange man bad and Republicans bad

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Cornpop: 5:04pm On Mar 20, 2021
TEODIN you said cnn did not deny it but that is exactly what they were doing. They said yes Republicans ended slavery but they said it is not this republicans. The spin was added so CNN was denying that fact

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by TEODIN: 5:10pm On Mar 20, 2021
Cornpop:


Lmao. Okay. Remember Joe Biden fought to keep segregation. Not this Biden too abi?
I believe people change so I give people the opportunity to change from the bad person they were to a better person, I don’t believe in canceling people for their past misdeeds

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Timiofak(m): 5:16pm On Mar 20, 2021
TEODIN:

Bernie has been gunning for $2k, Trump was offering $1200 before the election, only for Pelosi to support $600 after the Election that was what Bernie was criticizing.. so tell me the news channel you believe I will bring the news from there, Maybe you can hear the reason Pelosi gave for switching from them.. is time magazine okay for you??

Firstly politics was played here I agree. Me and you know trump kept his name on the first stimulus check, and there was a spike in his approval ratings right after that. It was so close to the election that every politician would do virtually the same thing

Trump was offering, 1200 McConnel wasn't offering anything

And people were in hunger.

Mcconnel later agreed to $600 and wasn't going to budge, both Biden, Pelosi and Sanders said they wanted 2k. They knew McConnel would never agree (which is were politics kicked in) they remained on a standstill

after the election, Pelosi knew there is no political advantage to trump if either check was passed. And biden would definitely sign a bigger relief, which she agreed to $600 so something could go out first since McConnel wasn't going to move from that, she then said 1400 would come in after the transition, making it 2000

Trump wanted 2k, biden wanted it, pelosi did, Sander's did, generally, I could say more than 65% did

Mcconnel and his cronies, we're not going to pass anything.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Timiofak(m): 5:18pm On Mar 20, 2021
Cornpop:


Lmao. Okay. Remember Joe Biden fought to keep segregation. Not this Biden too abi?

And same Joe Biden fought to end apartheid, what is your point?

go and read about the segregation argument and stop using catchphrases here.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by sanpipita(m): 5:23pm On Mar 20, 2021
TEODIN:

You are the ill-informed person here, I refuse to hate like you.. go and read history, Republicans freed the slaves, the first 23 black people in congress was through the Republican Party when other parties were refusing black people to contest Elections.. Even CNN is not denying that Republicans ended slavery

Lol because Republicans freed slaves, their present actions don't matter?

Lol Republicans spent three months trying to cancel black votes

Same Republicans you talk about now embrace Confederate nutcases.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 5:25pm On Mar 20, 2021
TEODIN:

Bernie has been gunning for $2k, Trump was offering $1200 before the election, only for Pelosi to support $600 after the Election that was what Bernie was criticizing.. so tell me the news channel you believe I will bring the news from there, Maybe you can hear the reason Pelosi gave for switching from them.. is time magazine okay for you??
You are Right. Spot on..All politics from Pelosi.
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 5:27pm On Mar 20, 2021
Cornpop:
The media always try to tell you the sky is purple
Hahahahaha
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Timiofak(m): 5:29pm On Mar 20, 2021
sanpipita:


Lol because Republicans freed slaves, their present actions don't matter?

Lol Republicans spent three months trying to cancel black voters.

He mentioned first 23 black people in Congress we're republicans

Hell 90% of black people in Congress have been democrats

Republicans were liberal in the 1860’s, ideological shift started happening around 1910’s

then it happened completely after democrats championed the civil rights act and voting right acts of the 60’s

leave them let them keep thinking the republican party Lincoln supported is what they have today.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by obixcel(m): 5:30pm On Mar 20, 2021
Cornpop:
TEODIN you said cnn did not deny it but that is exactly what they were doing. They said yes Republicans ended slavery but they said it is not this republicans. The spin was added so CNN was denying that fact
If CNN tells u it's raining..pls look outside cos it could be sunshine grin grin They are the true mother of fake news

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Timiofak(m): 5:48pm On Mar 20, 2021
Someone that gets all his information from YouTube says CNN is a liar


Ask him he would say AP and BBC are both liars, but newsmax and oann are the most factual new sources ever

Oya na

Must be nice, to lack critical thinking


All the best ooo.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Cornpop: 6:15pm On Mar 20, 2021
Timiofak:


And same Joe Biden fought to end apartheid, what is your point?

go and read about the segregation argument and stop using catchphrases here.
Yeah grin he wants it to end in another country but want to keep it in his country
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Cornpop: 6:21pm On Mar 20, 2021
Timiofak:
Someone that gets all his information from YouTube says CNN is a liar


Ask him he would say AP and BBC are both liars, but newsmax and oann are the most factual new sources ever

Oya na

Must be nice, to lack critical thinking


All the best ooo.

BBC and AP are both liars especially BBC.
A Syrian suicide bomber tried to kill Germans and ended up blowing himself and BBC headline reads the picture you see.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Timiofak(m): 6:44pm On Mar 20, 2021
Cornpop:


BBC and AP are both liars especially BBC.
A Syrian suicide bomber tried to kill Germans and ended up blowing himself and BBC headline reads the picture you see.

Better go back to the way you were typing here when you joined in november last year

Or else you just prove you are an empty headed troll.

Enjoy.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by sanpipita(m): 6:46pm On Mar 20, 2021
Timiofak:


He mentioned first 23 black people in Congress we're republicans

Hell 90% of black people in Congress have been democrats

Republicans were liberal in the 1860’s, ideological shift started happening around 1910’s

then it happened completely after democrats championed the civil rights act and voting right acts of the 60’s

leave them let them keep thinking the republican party Lincoln supported is what they have today.

Lol they do it to make themselves feel good about their support for Republicans.

But na body go tell them, Asian Americans who think they are white are suddenly living in fear.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Cornpop: 7:02pm On Mar 20, 2021
Timiofak:


Better go back to the way you were typing here when you joined in november last year

Or else you just prove you are an empty headed troll.

Enjoy.

N!gga shut the fck up. Your beloved BBC are liars. You got exposed and since you are empty upstairs that was your rebuttal. B!tch suck a Dck

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Timiofak(m): 7:08pm On Mar 20, 2021
Cornpop:


N!gga shut the fck up. Your beloved BBC are liars. You got exposed and since you are empty upstairs that was your rebuttal. B!tch suck a Dck

Ah ah

Thank God

You came back

Now have a nice day. grin
Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Cornpop: 7:20pm On Mar 20, 2021
Timiofak:


Ah ah

Thank God

You came back

Now have a nice day. grin

Reduced cheesy
Perhaps if you apply critical thinking you would know that the media is fake but you can't apply it because you are a b!tch n!gga. So run along

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Timiofak(m): 7:22pm On Mar 20, 2021
Cornpop:


Reduced cheesy
Perhaps if you apply critical thinking you would know that the media is fake but you can't apply it because you are a b!tch n!gga. So run along

So where do you get your information from ooo, from saturn ?

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Cornpop: 7:43pm On Mar 20, 2021
Timiofak:


So where do you get your information from ooo, from saturn ?


Its called research. You said BBC and AP don't lie it didn't take me 2minutes to disprove you. So you are like a mindless zombie consuming steady flow of lies from these media and you remain too stupid to be skeptical for a moment and double check the info you digest.

You and I watch Biden fall on the staires but fact checkers has fact check for you... Concluding a lie is true and the truth is mostly false.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by pompeiimagnus: 7:43pm On Mar 20, 2021
wirinet:


Skill and brains don't develop themselves, they cost money to develop. What i am saying is that if the US, Canada, UK and Australia wants best brains and skills, they should spend the money to train their own people like the Chinese, Japanese and Koreans do. But it's immoral to wait for poor nations to spend their meagre resourcing developing brains and skills only for them to steal them. In the alternative they can invest in Nigeria and poor countries by funding their universities. They would then have the moral justification to take them after they become skilled.

It always comes down to the good old principles of demand and supply. People migrate wherever their skills are needed, or where they feel they can have a better life. First world nations know this, and play it to their advantage. Canada needs an influx of young and highly educated immigrants to boost population growth for their economy. The same applies to most of these first world nations where people are waiting longer till their 30s and 40s to have kids.

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Timiofak(m): 8:13pm On Mar 20, 2021
Cornpop:


Its called research. You said BBC and AP don't lie it didn't take me 2minutes to disprove you. So you are like a mindless zombie consuming steady flow of lies from these media and you remain too stupid to be skeptical for a moment and double check the info you digest.

You and I watch Biden fall on the staires but fact checkers has fact check for you... Concluding a lie is true and the truth is mostly false.

Research

From that same media

By the way you didnt disprove me

You posted an image with no proof or evidence, that its real

The only syrian migrant suicide bomber story i can remember, was actually reported well

Either you are spreading a doctored image around or you are passing a wrong message as real.

Stop the lies

So if that your image is actually doctored

I could do better work yunno ?

First image the actual news from bbc

http://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-36880758

Second image is a doctored image i did in 10 seconds (not my best work though, because i wont start up my laptop for this rubbish so i used an unpaid app on my phone for it)

If you are sure bbc posted that your insane image, Put a link here from the particular bbc article.

Prove Bbc lied by posting a link to that inage you posted here

Idiot liar

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Nobody: 8:14pm On Mar 20, 2021
sanpipita:


Lol because Republicans freed slaves, their present actions don't matter?

Lol Republicans spent three months trying to cancel black votes

Same Republicans you talk about now embrace Confederate nutcases.



You are extremely stupid
So having voters ID to ensure election integrity is vote cancellation
Sometimes leftist reason like fools

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Nobody: 8:14pm On Mar 20, 2021
Timiofak:


Research

From that same media

By the way you didnt disprove me

You posted an image with no prove or lies

The only syrian migrant suicide bomber story i can remember, was actually reported well

Either you are spreading a doctored image around or you are passing a wrong image as real.

Stop the lies

So that your image is doctored

I could do better work yunno ?

First image the actual news from bbc

Second image a doctored image i did in 10 seconds.

Put a link of the bbc image you posted

Prove i lied grin

Idiot liar



Nonsense

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Re: American Politics Thread - 2024 Elections — Biden’s Presidency! by Timiofak(m): 8:17pm On Mar 20, 2021
Dapcity007:




Nonsense

You don switch go your second account

How awesome grin

Lmao. Only you get like 15 accounts

You people that are on the same talking point with this hungry boy, you better re think your points well

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