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Oshin56:
Bro, try to get the other side of the story from the devil the reason why the rebels against his creator.

A good point but it’s all part of envy from one of the parties involved

DappaD:
How most of you guys manage to come to some kind of conclusions baffle me sometimes. I mean when the real Christians approach you, you begin to compare based off what fraudsters posing as Christians have been doing for ages.

Just because you encountered several quack medical doctors in the past who hung stethoscope around their neck all the time, suddenly means the real doctors with the right knowledge do not exist? Similarly, because some people happen to hold a Bible everywhere but yet display hypocritical acts and behaviours contrary to the book they’re carrying, now suddenly means the real Christians who apply the Bible appropriately do not exist?

Those ones who say they want to go to heaven, you can just ask them what it is they are going there to do and you’ll receive many absurd replies. Their favourite scripture is John 14:2-4 where Jesus said he was going to prepare a place for some set of the people. These churchgoers assumed that Jesus was talking to them but they can’t answer: “If Jesus is going to prepare a place for me, then what am I to do there?”

All you need to know is to recognize when true wisdom is speaking in order to distinguish it from the falsehood.

If Christians are as good as they say then we won’t have a society like this.

FatherOfJesus:
If Christians are as good as they say then we won’t have a society like this.

That word “Christian” has been overused, oversimplified and bastardized in so many instances. The definition can range from one who does good to one who loves yelling the name “Jesus” with nothing to show for it and so on.

I would like to walk you through the credentials of a true Christian, using the book(Bible) as a reference point. Then you can begin to draw comparisons and see if those claiming “Christian” today fit into any of them.

The GROUP name "Christians" wasn't God's given GROUP name, it's observers in a city called Antioch that labelled Jesus' disciples as "Christians" being that they were doing just like the Jewish carpenter who claimed he is the Christ! Act 11:26
So God knowing fully well that Satan will later pollute that name {Matthew 13:25} permitted his true worshipers to continue bearing that name until 1935 when Jesus has successfully refined his group, then God changed our group name! Though we still tell people that if you truly want to know what Christianity means just come over and learn from us, but if you want to see how things should be done or how the society would be when only Christians are living together then the name to look out for is JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES that's the name our God gave all his FAITHFUL SERVANTS from Abel till now! Isaiah 43:10-12 compare to Hebrews 12:1

As for all those soiling the name of Christ yet claiming Christians JEHOVAH will exterminate all of them after all He has separated his own by giving us a new GROUP name! Isaiah 65:15

FatherOfJesus:
If Christians are as good as they say then we won’t have a society like this.

FatherOfJesus:
If God who’s omniscience created a Lucifer who caused war and chaos in heaven out of jealousy and greed, what’s the guarantee that it won’t happen again with the kind of greedy Christians we have today who might finally make it to heaven?
Is that not an indication that envy and conflict is very possible in heaven?

No Greedy anybody whether greedy Christian or greedy Moslem or greedy naturalist or greedy pope or greedy Israelite will enter The New Territory which God intends to make for men, so no problem here for God is Separating (Rapture) All Types of Satans and Satanses and Satanas and Satanos everywhere in the world, to Cut them Out and Cut them off to become as firewood!

Just adding my own comment, I did not come for
quarrel or fight! Bye bye!

MaxInDHouse:
As for all those soiling the name of Christ yet claiming Christians JEHOVAH will exterminate all of them after all He has separated his own by giving us a new GROUP name! Isaiah 65:15

But you have already Grouped Yourselves and Giving Yourselves A Name even long before the "grouping and naming" that is yet to come.

And your flinging of Isaiah 65:15 was laughable and pitiable, Clearly Showing Great Desperation.

You can have the last word for it is your bed and you are the layer of it, I don go.

Keep running away from your shadows! Isaiah 54:17

Dtruthspeaker:
But you have already Grouped Yourselves and Giving Yourselves A Name even long before the "grouping and naming" that is yet to come.
And your flinging of Isaiah 65:15 was laughable and pitiable, Clearly Showing Great Desperation.
You can have the last word for it is your bed and you are the layer of it, I don go.

DappaD:
That word “Christian” has been overused, oversimplified and bastardized in so many instances. The definition can range from one who does good to one who loves yelling the name “Jesus” with nothing to show for it and so on.

I would like to walk you through the credentials of a true Christian, using the book(Bible) as a reference point. Then you can begin to draw comparisons and see if those claiming “Christian” today fit into any of them.

ok, I’m listening

MaxInDHouse:
Keep running away from your shadows! Isaiah 54:17

The Despairate and the mad are one and the same persons and to keep company with him is unreasonable.

OK this should be your last word i guess! Hebrews 4:12
The mark of true Christianity as expressed by the founder himself (Jesus of Nazareth) is LOVE in the midst of worshipers! John 13:34-35
All of you know that there is just one group where this mark is undeniable in their midst "JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES" Matthew 5:14-16; 7:16-18
So keep running away from your shadow!

Dtruthspeaker:
The Despalrate and the mad are one and the same persons and to keep company with him is unreasonable.

MaxInDHouse:
So keep running away from your shadow!

Wow, how you have descended to such depths, even immaturity, such that you speak foolishness and you do not know it.

Now, you make me call you fool, for "The Shadow Follows the Object, not the other way round"

Men, this is terrible! What a Max Fall, oh MaxyDumbty!

Please stay away, we'll talk when you grow up!

Dtruthspeaker:
Wow, how you have descended to such depths, even immaturity, such that you speak foolishness and you do not know it.
Now, you make me call you fool, for "The Shadow Follows the Object, not the other way round"
Men, this is terrible! What a Max Fall, oh MaxyDumbty!
Please stay away, we'll talk when you grow up!

So your "i don go" wasn't real!

Once you only insult without quoting or citing our book (Bible) i'm OK, please next time try to work on your skills when you see people talking about God's word so that you don't just start what you can't finish! 2Timthy 3:16-17
Farewell

FatherOfJesus

Man and angels were created with freewill to rebel. Yes in future heaven it would ve been possible to rebel again but it won't happen becos God would set a constant reminder...

The christians would be able to see sinners in hell burning....

22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.

23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.(Isa 66:22-24).

If satan fought once with the angels in heaven maybe he thought he would win..u dont fight a war u dont think u will win right?..What if GOD and Satan are building armys to fight against each other..i mean GOD wants our soul, same as what the Devil wants...now if the bible is true and if am correct in Revelation John talked about a war between JESUS and his saints coming to earth to battle against the Devil and his armies...if he(Devil) knowns that he will be defeated then why fight?
He lost the first time na..breet on this

Sips cold Zobo*

jared007:
FatherOfJesus

Man and angels were created with freewill to rebel. Yes in future heaven it would ve been possible to rebel again but it won't happen becos God would set a constant reminder...

The christians would be able to see sinners in hell burning....

22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.

23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.(Isa 66:22-24).

How does predestination, freewill and the omniscience nature of God coexist?

jared007:
FatherOfJesus

Man and angels were created with freewill to rebel. Yes in future heaven it would ve been possible to rebel again but it won't happen becos God would set a constant reminder...

The christians would be able to see sinners in hell burning....

22 For as the new heavens and the new earth, which I will make, shall remain before me, saith the Lord, so shall your seed and your name remain.

23 And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another, and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.

24 And they shall go forth, and look upon the carcases of the men that have transgressed against me: for their worm shall not die, neither shall their fire be quenched; and they shall be an abhorring unto all flesh.(Isa 66:22-24).

What part of Isaiah 66 22-24 says what you claim there about God creating man and Angels with freewill rebel?

Kingjaybee:
If satan fought once with the angels in heaven maybe he thought he would win..u dont fight a war u dont think u will win right?..What if GOD and Satan are building armys to fight against each other..i mean GOD wants our soul, same as what the Devil wants...now if the bible is true and if am correct in Revelation John talked about a war between JESUS and his saints coming to earth to battle against the Devil and his armies...if he(Devil) knowns that he will be defeated then why fight?
He lost the first time na..breet on this

Sips cold Zobo*

If?
What if?
Are you folks trying to write another episode of"Supernatural" or something?

With this question it's evident God created humans with the ability to reason.
Thank you for this thought provoking question!

FatherOfJesus:
How does predestination, freewill and the omniscience nature of God coexist?

illicit:
I don't want to go to heaven, nor hell....

nobody is going to heaven!

Of course a limited number is going to live in heaven for all eternity, but it's not because they choose to be there God selects them from the midst of a special group of people!

Lomprico2:
nobody is going to heaven!

Lomprico2:
nobody is going to heaven!

I dey with u....

FatherOfJesus:
ok, I’m listening

Alright. It is important that you keep this principle at the back of your mind: “Let God be found true, even if every man be found a liar.” Romans 3:4

Well then, what is the Bible’s definition of who a Christian is?

We do not have to guess, the founder of Christianity himself laid out the meaning of what it meant to a true Christian at Matthew 16:24

“Then Jesus said to his disciples: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and keep following me.”

Meaning that anyone who wanted to be his disciple should be willing to forgo everything they once had and treasured in the past, be it material wealth(Matthew 19:21-24), family(Matthew 19:29) in fact, whatever is of prime importance to the person should become secondary. Matthew 6:24-33

Therefore, one who is a true Christian is to follow the pattern set by Jesus Christ(John 13:15) who was for example, willing to forgo a comfortable home for himself(Matthew 8:20) in order that he spend his whole life preaching and doing the will of his Father. Luke 4:43, John 4:34
So a true Christian takes careful note of each and every activity of Jesus’ life on earth and make it his resolve to imitate him closely.
Philippians 2:3-5, 1Peter 2:21

It is also imperative at this point to state that Jesus himself was aware of the fact that not all those who claimed to be followers of him were truly for him, that’s why there are a number of statements and prophecies given by Jesus to let us know that fake Christians would take the spotlight. Such as are recorded in Matthew 7:15 and particularly, Matthew 13:24-30

For example, in the aforementioned Scripture, Jesus differentiated between the “wheats” and “weeds”. The “wheats” were the genuine Christians and the “weeds/tares” put simply, were the impostors.
If you are familiar with plants and agriculture, once you see a plant bearing wheat, you would automatically know that “Okay this is wheat” but when you notice thorns/weeds growing in between, you know that an unidentified foreign body has joined the mix and you can then say “The weeds are present”. So it is impossible to mistake the wheats for the weeds.

Why is that so? Because Jesus said that it will be easy to identify those who truly belong to him when we identify their fruits/works/deeds so just as a rotten tree cannot produce fine fruit, it is the same with true Christianity and the fake kind. Matthew 7:16-20

To be continued.

Kobojunkie:
If?
What if?
Are you folks trying to write another episode of"Supernatural" or something?

Lolzz..just thinking about why God needs me according to the bible..what are we doing in heaven? if d Devil can actually sin and make other angels revolt against GOD meaning he had a plan and was thinking he would win
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Drink cold Kunu*

MaxInDHouse:
With this question it's evident God created humans with the ability to reason.
Thank you for this thought provoking question!

lol

DappaD:
Alright. It is important that you keep this principle at the back of your mind: “Let God be found true, even if every man be found a liar.” Romans 3:4

Well then, what is the Bible’s definition of who a Christian is?

We do not have to guess, the founder of Christianity himself laid out the meaning of what it meant to a true Christian at Matthew 16:24

“Then Jesus said to his disciples: “If anyone wants to come after me, let him disown himself and pick up his torture stake and keep following me.”

Meaning that anyone who wanted to be his disciple should be willing to forgo everything they once had and treasured in the past, be it material wealth(Matthew 19:21-24), family(Matthew 19:29) in fact, whatever is of prime importance to the person should become secondary. Matthew 6:24-33

Therefore, one who is a true Christian is to follow the pattern set by Jesus Christ(John 13:15) who was for example, willing to forgo a comfortable home for himself(Matthew 8:20) in order that he spend his whole life preaching and doing the will of his Father. Luke 4:43, John 4:34
So a true Christian takes careful note of each and every activity of Jesus’ life on earth and make it his resolve to imitate him closely.
Philippians 2:3-5, 1Peter 2:21

It is also imperative at this point to state that Jesus himself was aware of the fact that not all those who claimed to be followers of him were truly for him, that’s why there are a number of statements and prophecies given by Jesus to let us know that fake Christians would take the spotlight. Such as are recorded in Matthew 7:15 and particularly, Matthew 13:24-30

For example, in the aforementioned Scripture, Jesus differentiated between the “wheats” and “weeds”. The “wheats” were the genuine Christians and the “weeds/tares” put simply, were the impostors.
If you are familiar with plants and agriculture, once you see a plant bearing wheat, you would automatically know that “Okay this is wheat” but when you notice thorns/weeds growing in between, you know that an unidentified foreign body has joined the mix and you can then say “The weeds are present”. So it is impossible to mistake the wheats for the weeds.

Why is that so? Because Jesus said that it will be easy to identify those who truly belong to him when we identify their fruits/works/deeds so just as a rotten tree cannot produce fine fruit, it is the same with true Christianity and the fake kind. Matthew 7:16-20

To be continued.

lol

FatherOfJesus:
lol

You’d have to forgive me. I got a very busy schedule so I cannot meet up using my phone all the time.

That was just the appetizer by the way. Are you ready for the main course? Because that’s the real deal-breaker.

The Churches of Christendom starting with their mother Roman Catholic Church as one body is the Antichrist their misrepresentation aided the fast growth and speedy spread of Atheism in many places!
You are right on track with that question:

How does predestination, freewill and omniscient nature of God coexists?

The truth is out of the three you mentioned God's word only shows one is real: FREEWILL
Predestination and Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent are teachings of demons to defame God's name! Matthew 6:9

So no Churchgoer can dare to come and address your question because they don't know what or how to explain so they're confused themselves!

FatherOfJesus:
lol

MaxInDHouse:
The Churches of Christendom starting with their mother Roman Catholic Church as one body is the Antichrist their misrepresentation aided the fast growth and speedy spread of Atheism in many places!
You are right on track with that question:

How does predestination, freewill and omniscient nature of God coexists?

The truth is out of the three you mentioned God's word only shows one is real: FREEWILL
Predestination and Omniscient, Omnipresent, Omnipotent are teachings of demons to defame God's name! Matthew 6:9

So no Churchgoer can dare to come and address your question because they don't know what or how to explain so they're confused themselves!

Are you saying that God is not omniscience and omnipresent?

DappaD:
You’d have to forgive me. I got a very busy schedule so I cannot meet up using my phone all the time.

That was just the appetizer by the way. Are you ready for the main course? Because that’s the real deal-breaker.

I saw so many questionable statements in your appetizer but I am really not in for long arguments

His word (Bible) doesn't support the notion!

FatherOfJesus:
Are you saying that God is not omniscience and omnipresent?

FatherOfJesus:
I saw so many questionable statements in your appetizer but I am really not in for long arguments

I’m also not in for long arguments, chief. Just wanted to state the facts. Thank you for the bolded because for the very reason alone you find some of my statements questionable automatically should tell you that there is a great disparity between the real Christianity and the fake one that is rampart today.

Just imagine for example, you see a news headline starting with “Christian soldiers attacked community and killed...”
Automatically you should know that those two words “Christian” and “soldier” cannot be used in the same sentence since the founder refused to become a military commander(John 6:15) and he instructed his disciples never to use weapons to resolve issues(Matthew 26:52 see also Isaiah 2:4) instead his disciples were to be harmless and peace makers. Matthew 5:39 see also Romans 12:18

We can all recall when the Catholic Church encouraged its members from both the Axis and Allies Powers of the WWII to go to war and slaughter themselves and when the various churches in Rwanda back in April-June 1994 engaged in bloodletting of their own members because they were of a different tribe, but can we still call those ones “Christians” since they do not follow any of Jesus’ command including the one to have love amongst themselves? John 13:35

MaxInDHouse:
His word (Bible) doesn't support the notion!

Lol, so many versions and interpretations