₦airaland Forum

gwafaeziokwu:
There is nothing new about this write up. The Yorubas are afraid to stand on their own post Nigeria. It is the reason Awolowo couldn't make up his mind in 1967 because the Akintola saga and betrayal by his kin was still fresh in his mind. They have the potential to prosper economically as an independent nation but the cracks in their society will not allow any meaningful development take place in Oduduwa republic.

Unlike Igbos, they lack a tested and trusted conflict resolution mechanism in their culture. Our republican /democratic cultural setting will enable us to talk things out and resolve issues. Their monarchy system will make sure that peaceful existence lies on the whims/egos of kings and obas. Because decision making did not follow down to up movement, there will always be sabotage from disgruntled elements who thinks they know better.

So forget about Oduduwa republic, all na noise.

notym2chektym:
Ok Let's do it like this
Make God punish me if Ibos never voted for Buhari in 2015 and May God punish you if Ibos voted for Buhari in 2015...AMEN
case closed

The Yorubas made the largest required investment which made Nigeria possible. If you read the history of nationalism, of Nigerian nationalist struggles and agitations against colonial rule, you will know that the Yorubas made more contributions than any other tribe or group to make Nigeria possible.
Although Chinua Achebe wrongly claimed that the Ibos alone fought for Nigeria’s independence in his ill- received, poorly- edited, divisive and tendentious book THERE WAS A COUNTRY, his claim can never stand under proper scrutiny or face authentic history.

The Macaulays, Paynes, Majas, Pearces etc and most of the names known to give trouble to the Europeans to force them into leaving were Yorubas.

So I ask – are the Yorubas of today prepared for a second civil war with Nigeria?

Mind you, Yorubas will be fighting not just the Fulanis or Hausas, but the whole of Nigeria.

Why?

Because Lagos is too strategic to Nigeria, too important to it’s economy and its prosperity.

Whoever controls Lagos will not be allowed to leave Nigeria except at the cost of war .

gwafaeziokwu:
God is already punishing you for that ill advised catastrophic adventure you embarked upon in 2015 just to spite Igbos. You are not ashamed to say in public that you voted a mannequin who doubled as bigoted, ethnic champion into power just to achieved your very selfish agenda. Now that it has backfired, you are looking for company in your misery.

Avoid me this evening abeg. Ndi uchu.

gwafaeziokwu:
God is already punishing you for that ill advised catastrophic adventure you embarked upon in 2015 just to spite Igbos. You are not ashamed to say in public that you voted a mannequin who doubled as bigoted, ethnic champion into power just to achieved your very selfish agenda. Now that it has backfired, you are looking for company in your misery.

Avoid me this evening abeg. Ndi uchu.

5.. In the Oduduwa Republic, which traditional ruler will be supreme?

Will Alaafin accept the supremacy of Ooni or vice versa?

Or will the disputes continue

kayusely70:
The op has failed woefully to poison the minds of majority of yoruba youths. A hatchet job!

Have you asked yourself where is the industrial base that we will use for take off?
Virtually all the viable banks, industries and conglomerates in the Lagos- Ibadan-Abeokuta axis today are owned by other tribes in Nigeria, certainly not by the Yorubas. Have th ey thought of this?

notym2chektym:
Anybody can write an article and attach a Yoruba name to it,it happens here daily

notym2chektym:
na wa for you Op
Who told you Ibos rejected Buhari in 2015?
Maybe in 2015, you were still in primary, Every region voted massively for Buhari Govt in 2015 because of their fake promises and because we want a better govt not knowing we are going from frypan to fire
,In 2019, when everyone eyes clear, there was voter aparthy ,Apc used the opportunity to rig the elections for Buhari, Buhari was imposed on Nigeria in 2019, forget those figures you see then( God will not forgive APC for that)
Are you afraid of Yoruba seceding or what ?
I don't know what you people really want from the Yorubas. Initially you said we are Hausa slaves and unity beggars,now we want to secede ,you said we shouldn't.
Na wa o

Igboid:
My own take on this:

1. The Yoruba elites preaching one Nigeria and using scaremongering tactics to dissuade the Yoruba commoners from pursuing Oduduwa republic are not different from Igbo elites and indeed elites from other parts of Nigeria doing same.
They are not looking out for the interest of the commoners, they are only interested in the preservation of Nigeria, their cash cow.


2. Nigeria as currently constituted only serves the interest of the elites from all parts of Nigeria and they would all say and do everything to preserve Nigeria so that they and their family, cronies and well wishers can continue schooling in North America and USA , jet all over the world for medical tourism, hustle for dual citizenship of first world countries for their families, while they preach one Nigeria to the commoners.

3. Ndiigbo( commoners) will not constitute itself a hindrance to any group seeking secession from Nigeria. If Igbo elites want to do so, then they would have to constitute such army by enrolling themselves and their wards into such senseless army.

4. Yorubas and indeed other groups can't hide behind Nigeria forever to avoid taking care of their local problems outside Nigeria.
Many people in Nigeria simply want one Nigeria to continue because they are scared their own group would not be able to make progress outside Nigeria as an entity, so they constitute themselves a hinderance to those who though know they would face challenges outside Nigeria but have enough belief in themselves and their ability to solve such problems and emerge a better nation than Nigeria can ever dream off. This is a typical crab in a barrel syndrome. Like the typical case of misery loving company.
I learnt many middlebeltans fought against Biafra because they were afraid of being trapped in a country with their Muslim brothers without Igbo overwhelming population to balance things out.
That's a pathetic way to live your life. Playing the ostrich rather than tackling your problem head on. Obviously, dragging Igbos into Nigeria has not stopped Middlebelt from having to face their Muslim brothers. They only succeeded in having Ndiigbo as a company in their own misery.

Omuaro38:
Personally I don't care if they want oduduwa Republic or Skull mining republic, this useless country is overripe for implosion anyway... my own is that as long as these yoruba agitators who are drawing their Secessionist map don't include Lagos (owned by the Bini people), parts of Ondo state (owned by the Edos and Ijaws), the Awori's (who are not indigenous Yorubas), parts of Ekiti, Kwara (Fulani don't even need to talk too much here), and parts of Kogi state... then they can fu*k off with their 5 and half states including there people who are in Benin Republic and Togo.

Igboid:
Another nonsense question.

Yorubas have the biggest industrial clusters in Nigeria. Along Lagos-Ibadan and Agbara in Ogun.

Almost all biscuits I ate as a kid growing up in South Eastern Nigeria had Lagos or Ibadan address as manufacturing address.
Yoruba has enough industrial base to build a successful country.
Enough of this scaremongering tactics.

Independent Oduduwa republic will have Ondo crude oil to power its industries and if not enough would negotiate with Ijaw republic or Igbo republic for a gas pipeline deal. Isn't Russia supplying many parts of Europe with gas?

Igboid:
Ibadan or Southwest Nig did not have that problem now or in the 1950’s when that structure was built.

But these are the list of firsts these Yorubas are touting that they want to recreate the Awo miracle.

This would be a fatal mistake, because none of their proposed leaders is an Awoist or even remotely in the mold of anything resembling the shadow of Awolowo or an Aluko for that matter.

And times have changed!

Again, I present the following for consideration.

I ask a very pointed question: Would the Yorubas live together, even if they succeed in separating?
A foolish question you would say.

But not so foolish or insolent.

The differences between the Yorubas are there and the cleavages are there.

Because we are currently still within Nigeria, often time we don’t see these differences, but they are there.

In the Oduduwa Republic those differences will come to the fore and become magnified.

How then do we address them?

The Aladura Scholar, Prof J.D.Y Peel, noted during his research in Yoruba land in the 1960s, that the differences between the Yoruba sub-tribes, the Ekitis, Ijebus, Egbas, Oyo’s etc are as wide as those between the tribes of Nigeria.

In other words, the Ekitis are as different from the Ijebus as the Hausas are to the Ibos. If you have not observed this, you are not very observant.

The white man was right.
Because we are together in Nigeria we don’t see this, but now in the Oduduwa Republic they will cone magnified.

How will the Yoruba Republic handle them, because they will not go away.

Will the Ijebus accept the rulership of the Egbas?

Will Oyos allow the Ijebus to lord it over them and continue with their exploitation given their bitter history?

Will the Ijeshas forget their ancient animosity to the Oyos and what they suffered in their hands or revive them?

Can the stubborn Ekitis allow the equally stubborn Ijeshas to Lord it over them?

Because a wound is covered does not mean it has been healed.

If the Oduduwa Republic becomes a reality you will all see the truth of what I am saying.

All the major wars that have been fought in Yorubaland have been fought amongst the Yorubas themselves.
Not against outsiders.

Osun, the Yoruba god does not destroy strangers, it destroys her own children.

Soon you will see what I am saying.

We often speak of the Old Western Region as if it was perfect. There were injustices based on ethnicity but which we should not reopen for peace sake.
All the projects done by the Action Group govt, how many of them were sited in the Ondo- Ekiti- Ijesha axis?

Yet the cocoa plantations and wealth that made the West came substantially from there.

How many cocoa plantations exist in Ijebu- Egbas axis, yet all the projects were situated or concentrated there.

How just is that?

Read Profem Ayandele’s breakdown and judge for yourselves.

So if there were these imbalances even in those days of yore, how are we so sure that Oduduwa Republic will not be a miniature Nigeria, with more problems but with less resilience to handle them?

The Itshekiris and Delta regions of Warri actually voted to leave the West and have their own region. If they were fairly treated, why did they chose to leave?

The old Ondo and Ekiti equally agitated to have their own state from the West because they saw that they were being exploited by the Ijebus and Egbas in the West.

Will all these agitations suddenly melt away once we have our Oduduwa Republic?

We have forgotten that exploitation is in the very nature of men, whether white or black.
There is exploitation amongst Yoruba’s too.

Someone is collecting 15% of the entire revenue of a state in the Southwest now.

We all know this and nothing is done about it, yet we are complaining about Nigeria being a failed state.

How are you sure Oduduwa Republic will not be a greater failure?

In which other part of Nigeria does this happen?

How many states in the southwest pay the minimum wage, even whilst most states in the North does?

Who is the exploiter of the people, their own people, now?

How many states in the North pay scandalous pensions to their former governors like is done in the southwest?

Which state started this racket?

These are the same people and their children and cronies that will rule the proposed Oduduwa Republic.

Sadly it will not be the leading minds and top brains in Yorubaland but the dregs and the gang of usurpers that have profited from years of unrestrained looting of the public till.

Have you asked yourself where is the industrial base that we will use for take off?

Virtually all the viable banks, industries and conglomerates in the Lagos- Ibadan-Abeokuta axis today are owned by other tribes in Nigeria, certainly not by the Yorubas. Have they thought of this?

Rome did not collapse in one day, it was gradual.

Yorubas are yet to see that they are in big mess, far bigger than they inherited or envisaged, not because of Nigeria, but because of themselves.

PROUDIGBO:
The bolded go hard for some to accept! At least with ‘one Nigeria’ they can forcefully take the oyel and gas from us.....and tell us to go fuc/k ourselves if we object! In a independent Oduduwa, they’d have to come and ask us nicely!

Igboid:
5.. In the Oduduwa Republic, which traditional ruler will be supreme?

Will Alaafin accept the supremacy of Ooni or vice versa?

Or will the disputes continue?

Ethnicity and Hegemony among the Yorubas is another serious issue.
In the Republic how do we handle the ethnicity and hegemony of the Yorubas.

Perhaps you may not know, I tell you today that there is deep, serious ethnicism amongst Yorubas.

We all speak so loudly about Hausa-Fulani domination and oligarchy that we have forgotten that there is the Egba- Ijebu hegemony over Yoruba affairs.

We used to hammer the Kaduna Mafia, but we forget the Ikenne Mafia.

Consider this – during the 2014 National Conference, 6 slots were allocated to the Yoruba group, Afenifere.

They promptly shared the slots among themselves.

Not a single slot was given to anyone to represent the Yorubas in Kogi and Kwara.

But when they want to negotiate for power, they remember they have their brethren in Kogi and in Kwara and that Yoruba land extends to Jebba and Lokoja.

But when it comes to representation they forget them.

As the Americans say, “taxation without representation is tyranny “.

These are the same men, the same schemes, who are now promoting Oduduwa Republic.

Please think very well, my people in Kogi and Kwara states, so that you don’t change one slave master for another.

What about ethnicism among Yorubas?

It exists. Ijebu ethnicism, that sees everyone as strangers except themselves, even in the church!

Some Yorubas have told me, “Can we also call you Yoruba, those of you from Kwara?”
Not once or twice.

As a lecturer from Yoruba, I know the frustrations and struggles given to me by fellow Yorubas. I have never heard of a Fulani man doubting the legitimacy of another Fulani because he’s from a different place.

Neither does the Igbos or Hausa or Ijaws.

Only among the ones who call themselves the children of Oduduwa.

That is why I wait to see how that Republic will work even while these contradictions amongst the Yorubas remain as they are. I wait.

THE REALITY OF WAR

I now come to my last issue and conclusion.

Here I am talking of reality.

What does this agitation sum to in real life?

Getting an Oduduwa Republic means war.

If you don’t know, know it now. There cannot be an Oduduwa Republic unless there is secession of the Yoruba from Nigeria; and secession essentially means war, unless two conditions subsist, namely:

Where the other stakeholders in a nation state agree to go their way, as happened in defunct USSR, or
Where the secessionist group (in this case, the Yorubas) is the largest and the strongest within the existing union and can therefore bully the others.
The two scenarios above is not likely to happen,so the implications is war. I hope the promoters know this?

So I ask – are the Yorubas of today prepared for a second civil war with Nigeria?

Mind you, Yorubas will be fighting not just the Fulanis or Hausas, but the whole of Nigeria.

Why?

Because Lagos is too strategic to Nigeria, too important to it’s economy and its prosperity.

Whoever controls Lagos will not be allowed to leave Nigeria except at the cost of war .

Igboid:
The writer exposed things we have always known.

1. The Yoruba elites are scared of Oduduwa republic because they are scared that they might descend back into the dark ages of inter clan Kiriji wars should they have to deal with only each other again and not with Ndiigbo and rest of Nigeria.

2. Like many other pro one Nigeria groups out there, the Yoruba elites are clinging unto Nigeria so as to avoid having to solve their own internal problems when Nigeria dissolves.
Nigeria has become an excuse for many to hide and tolerate mediocrity at all levels.

3. The Yoruba elites are easy to resort to Igbophobia to unite their people around any cause. Awolowo and Akintola did same and the author is doing same. To make Yoruba commoners jettison any thought of Oduduwa republic, the writer conjured up the lie of the possibility of Igbos ganging up with the North to exact our own pound of flesh against Yorubas should they attempt to secede as a pay back to Yoruba role in 1967-70 events
This is typical scaremongering tactics built on Igbophobia as no such thing would happen.
Ndiigbo are so invested to seceding from Nigeria that holding other groups from secession is out of the question.

4. The author claims that Yorubas should stay in Nigeria because they wouldn't be able to resolve their difference in Oduduwa republic, which is a valid point if you look at Yoruba Kiriji war days. But what the writer tried to gloss over is the fact that it would be easier for Yoruba clans to find a common ground to live with each other peacefully than for them to do so with Ndiigbo, and this is for obvious reason which the writer already pointed out, albeit in tainted manner in his article.

5. The writer acknowledged the Yorubas played a big role in imposing Nigeria with the failure called Buhari and seem to believe the Ijaws would hold a grudge against the Yorubas for their role in demonizing and then sacking GEJ from Aso rock.
Now as an Igbo, I know the writer is only trying scaremongering tactics, but I find the submission interesting

Omuaro38:
Personally I don't care if they want oduduwa Republic or Skull mining republic, this useless country is overripe for implosion anyway... my own is that as long as these yoruba agitators who are drawing their Secessionist map don't include Lagos (owned by the Bini people), parts of Ondo state (owned by the Edos and Ijaws), the Awori's (who are not indigenous Yorubas), parts of Ekiti, Kwara (Fulani don't even need to talk too much here), and parts of Kogi state... then they can fu*k off with their 5 and half states including there people who are in Benin Republic and Togo.

technicallyrich:
My brother it might seem you are joking,but God will bless you for speaking the truth.
I'm an ijaw man and I have said it and even told yorubas offline that ijaws will sieze atleast half of indo state and Lagos State because is our land.
Untill now there indigenous ijaws in Lagos and info state.
What can they even do,if we sieze it than to cry sh sh egbamiooo.
Because they can't challenge.ijaws are one of the bravest and strongest black tribe in the world.
They can fight for their skull minning republic but leave all ijaw land.

Igboid:
Another nonsense question.

Yorubas have the biggest industrial clusters in Nigeria. Along Lagos-Ibadan and Agbara in Ogun.

Almost all biscuits I ate as a kid growing up in South Eastern Nigeria had Lagos or Ibadan address as manufacturing address.
Yoruba has enough industrial base to build a successful country.
Enough of this scaremongering tactics.

Independent Oduduwa republic will have Ondo crude oil to power its industries and if not enough would negotiate with Ijaw republic or Igbo republic for a gas pipeline deal. Isn't Russia supplying many parts of Europe with gas?

technicallyrich:
My brother it might seem you are joking,but God will bless you for speaking the truth.
I'm an ijaw man and I have said it and even told yorubas offline that ijaws will sieze atleast half of indo state and Lagos State because is our land.
Untill now there indigenous ijaws in Lagos and info state.
What can they even do,if we sieze it than to cry sh sh egbamiooo.
Because they can't challenge.ijaws are one of the bravest and strongest black tribe in the world.
They can fight for their skull minning republic but leave all ijaw land.

Siwisheswereesh:
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Another looonatic-like troll. Weldone

forgiveness:
All Yoruba signed peace treaty on September 23, 1886. I know you are very ignorant about that.

Igboid:
What does that have to do with the post?

forgiveness:
Lagos oil field holds untapped reserves of about 650 billion cubic feet (bcf).


Ondo State P50 - P10 Gas Initially In Place estimated at 396.5 - 557.6 Bscf with Recoverable Gas of 276.9 - 390.66 Bscf (P50 - P10).

Don’t forget there is gas and oil in Ogun state and Itsekiri will likely go with SW due to fear of being marginalized.

Ondo State and Ogun state hold the second largest bitumen reserve in the world.

Please, get your information right.

forgiveness:
You don’t know? Read what you wrote in number one and tell me there is still fear of Kiriji war.

Mr man, the peace treaty have answered your worries.

Igboid:
I doubt your elites believe in the above and honestly most of your commoners don't either, which is why you are holding tight to Nigeria.

forgiveness:
Point to the one you doubt and I will give you verifiable sources to dose doubt.

About holding tight to Nigeria, you don’t know anything. There are forces bigger than Nigeria that’s holding Nigeria tight.