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Empiree:
what are you talking about?. Many private established Muslim missionary schools were taken by govt. So what are you talking about?.

Muslim College ijebu ode was also taken in the 70s by govt. It was Muslim missionary school built in the 40s and founded in 1950. In 1970, govt took over the school. That was when govt took over many missionary schools till today.

Muslim college ijebu ode is multi-religious school. Hijab is allowed and optional. Christian fellowship do their things. Muslims do their things and the school is still under govt So why is kwara christian missionary school different?.

Govt is not stealing anything. Govt is regulating everything. Christians in kwara either abide by state law or get loss.

Religion of Hooligans!
The schools were Grant-aided as per the agreement of Government management. Even the governor of Kwara state has not furnished anyone with the signed agreement as per Government takeover.

If Government had indeed taken over how come building of new buildings and renovations are still done till today by the churches?. How come the board of governors are still appointed by the churches till date? How come the C of O of the lands are still in the names of the churches?

The agreement was for government to take over the administration of the school including collection of school fees , appointment of teachers and students and payment of teachers salaries.


Yours indeed is a religion of thieves and hooligans!

Moblux:
That may not be true. The issue in Kwara state is quite peculiar. The christian missions maintain their schools by members money that is why these Muslims find them attractive. It is true the population of Muslim pupils/ students outweighs that of Christians in some of the schools affected. Go to the schools belonging to Islamic mission and see deplorable state in spite of successive government pumping money to maintain them and neglecting Christian mission schools.

Christians who value quality education no matter how poor they are won't mind sending their children and wards to good school no matter the cost.

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Lol, I admire ur thought but the truth still remains that the only reason parents send their children to public secondary and private school is because of the fees involved. No public school education is as good as private. and I agree with you, many will stay if the school is returned and fees increased but many more won't be able to afford it, hence be forced to leave. This is Nigeria, and the useless govt we have has almost turned us to the poverty capital of the world

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Moblux:
And nobody is forcing them to attend these schools. Unless you live in Kwara State that is when you will know the intentions of these muslims in Kwara State. What the Christians are resisting is beyond hijab. Why it is emotional for Christians is because some of these schools are located inside church compound.

Can any Christian emblem be worn around any school located in a mosque compound in Ilorin? I doubt

These schools belongs to the goverment now so any body can attend it, even idol worshippers sef. What are the intentions of the muslims in kwara? Stop assuming rubbish. Nothing is wrong if the muslims Students wear hijab aslong as they did not force the Christians Students i to wear one? Plus its their right to wear what ever they want as human. Will wearing of hijab make them have better grades than the Christians? Will wearing of hijab make them better than the Christians?, No. Then whats the fuss? Even mary the mother of jesus wore something like hijab to cover herself through out her life time, so why the noise? As long as the Christians are not wearing you dont have to worry....



Your last question is Yes.

YusufTheGreat:
The school belongs to the goverment now, so any body can attend.... What are the intentions of the muslims in kwara state? How does wearing of hijab affects these christian churches? Even marry the mother of jesus covered her hair through out her life time.. Why the fuss?


Your last answer is Yes. I say it once again the schools are goverment own, it is no longer a church school. Gbam

Can you substantiate how these schools are fully government schools?

If they are government fully why are these churches being forced to pay grand rent tax, tenement rate etc?

How can government be collecting tax on what it owns from the church!

Why is the C of O of these properties still in the name of these churches?

If you can provide answers, perhaps, they will suffice.

I maintain, what muslims are pushing for is more than hijab. What Christians are resisting is beyond hijab

Anigreat:







There's a big different between a rich Muslim and a poor Muslim. The both may attend the same mosque , read the same Quran, but their reasoning is far different.


Most of the Islamic laws only have effect on the poor Muslims and not the rich. The rich Muslims dont give a fucck about this hijab. Go to Northern Nigeria and see how female muslim kids who are from wealthy homes move around with not even a scarf on their head and even if you see them used it, it's always moderate and transparent. But the poor ones move around with one smelling long hijab like soutane always.

Islam religion is really a big burden to the poor Muslims.

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provided you're glancing at the bibles at all, you will realized how burdensome and deleterious the Christendom is.

Mathew 10:34
"do not think that I have come to preach peace, I have not come to preach peace but SWORD"

1 Samuel 15: 3
"go to the Amalekite, kill infants, men and women and do not spare the donkeys"

what an helpless children and poor donkeys !

meanwhile, hijab is enjoin in the Bibles:

1 Corinthian 11:13-16.

Argue reasonably and without prejudice.

Racoon:
Follow up thread to:
https://www.nairaland.com/6468697/hijab-red-meat-bigotry-farooq#100045319


https://www.farooqkperogi.com/2021/03/how-to-resolve-hijab-controversy.html?m=1#.YF6u6Cigq1w.twitter

provided you're glancing at the bibles at all, you will realized how burdensome and deleterious the Christendom is.
Mathew 10:34
"do not think that I have come to preach peace, I have not come to preach peace but SWORD"
1 Samuel 15: 3
"go to the Amalekite, kill infants, men and women and do not spare the donkeys"
what an helpless children and poor donkeys !
meanwhile, hijab is enjoin in the Bibles:
1 Corinthian 11:13-16.
Argue reasonably and without prejudice.

shadeyinka:
Religion of Hooligans!
The schools were Grant-aided as per the agreement of Government management. Even the governor of Kwara state has not furnished anyone with the signed agreement as per Government takeover.

If Government had indeed taken over how come building of new buildings and renovations are still done till today by the churches?. How come the board of governors are still appointed by the churches till date? How come the C of O of the lands are still in the names of the churches?

The agreement was for government to take over the administration of the school including collection of school fees , appointment of teachers and students and payment of teachers salaries.


Yours indeed is a religion of thieves and hooligans!

Bye bye

Moblux:
Get your facts right. Ogun State was created in 1976 while Kwara had been created 9 years earlier in 1967. Kwara State at the time ( including present Kogi and part of Niger States) had only three schools belonging to government out about 68 schools then. It was not a take over, it was partnership in which aid will be granted in 1972. The then military governor's speech is in the public domain in its original form/ format.

Talking about Ijebu Ode could be different from talking about Kwara. Each state had its peculiar approach then. That why some states changed the names of the schools while some other did not. They have their reasons and intentions

guy, I don't need history lesson. You Christians can never be just even if you see truth in 3D. What exactly is texture of your problem?. Govt has taken over mission schools in lwara state. Period. Case closed. CAN should either abide by state law or get the heck out of kwara state

Empiree:
Bye bye

Compare the behaviour of Muslims with armed robbers or kidnappers, do you see any difference?

Before we who know you well say anything, you will insist that Jihad is defensive and a war against aggressors. In what ways has the Christians been aggressive to you.

Yours indeed is a religion of Hooligans!

Grace001:
You’re right, give them hijab in schools they will start demanding for a piece of land within the school to build small mosque.

They are just too troublesome

I've some Muslim friends,both make and female who are not really troublesome, but it's like the religion has a connection with trouble, don't really get

Ngadaawo
555five

Gbegile in the mud

valentineuwakwe:
you did not even hit the nail of the head, perhaps trying not to please or displease any of the religious set. truth be told, a tenant can never dictate to a landlord how his house will be run...a Muslim came to a Christian missionary school which is public school on paper but still being funded by the missionaried and they said conform to our school rules on uniform....una begin shout.
ok let me ask, can the same be ask in a Muslim mission sch? they have never allow a chapel in there premises, not to talk of allowing a C.R.K. teacher..even ordinary fellowship gathering they will not allowed the Christians do..so what are we saying here....
Muslims wahala just tire person form this country, is that how other Muslims behave in other country? no wonder Slovakia ban them n any mosques in there country!

But wait ooo, it's like Kwara State is just cursed (state without any developments, nor infrastructure) fighting for ordinary Hijab.
I can recall vividly some years ago, when I was schooling at Muslim comprehensive college, (MUSCO) Ikotun egbe,for those that know that school.
Despite the fact dat it's a muslim owned school, from Monday to Thursday on assemblies, Christianity is being practiced, while on Wednesday,there's always a Christian fellowship for abt 1hr or thereabouts, where as,on Fridays, we do practiced Islam, regardless of our religion,we do this joyful (being a mission boy then, I can recite quran,pray in Islam,et al) without any form of chaos. May I tell u that despite all forms of immoralities in that sch as at dat time, only few private schools can stand our level of intelligence, yet Hijab was not forced on students, not even our teachers use any.

I can't still comprehend while some Muslims actually practice peace while majority practice otherwise. Is there something I don't really know about Islam?

Moblux:
Can you substantiate how these schools are fully government schools?

If they are government fully why are these churches being forced to pay grand rent tax, tenement rate etc?

How can government be collecting tax on what it owns from the church!

Why is the C of O of these properties still in the name of these churches?

If you can provide answers, perhaps, they will suffice.

I maintain, what muslims are pushing for is more than hijab. What Christians are resisting is beyond hijab

smh oya na prophet, will see

YusufTheGreat:
smh oya na prophet, will see

Undoubtedly, the sharia CJN will most definitely be sympathetic with his religion. The case in the supreme court may go in favour of hijab.

In Yoruba parlance when trust is lost and hope of justice is elusive, we say " mo fa e le kootu Olorun" meaning I hand you over to God the impartial judge who judges every motive of mortal man at His appointed time.

shadeyinka:
Compare the behaviour of Muslims with armed robbers or kidnappers, do you see any difference?

Before we who know you well say anything, you will insist that Jihad is defensive and a war against aggressors. In what ways has the Christians been aggressive to you.

Yours indeed is a religion of Hooligans!

how does this relate to the subject matter?. I said this before and i will say it again. Nigerian govt needs to review Churches curriculums bcus you guys are taught to hate Islam and Muslims for no reason. It is very sad and yet you would preach to us how "loving" your religion is. My advise for you is to format your brain and study Islam independently. My advise for you is to follow Jesus correctly if indeed you are true follower of Jesus. Do not allow yourself to be brainwashed by people who have hatred in their heart for religion of Islam. You should able to utilize and apply common sense that Allah gave to you, please. Islam is LOVE but we the adherents are not perfect.

Thank you

Empiree:
how does this relate to the subject matter?. I said this before and i will say it again. Nigerian govt needs to review Churches curriculums bcus you guys are taught to hate Islam and Muslims for no reason. It is very sad and yet you would preach to us how "loving" your religion is. My advise for you is to format your brain and study Islam independently. My advise for you is to follow Jesus correctly if indeed you are true follower of Jesus. Do not allow yourself to be brainwashed by people who have hatred in their heart for religion of Islam. You should able to utilize and apply common sense that Allah gave to you, please. Islam is LOVE but we the adherents are not perfect.

Thank you

Your Taqqiya has stopped working a long time ago. Christians don't hate Muslims. It's actually the reverse that is the truth. How many times in your life have your heard pastors preaching against Islam in our churches? However, 30% of you Muslim preaching is against Christianity.

Didn't your Allah say:
Do not take Christians and Jews as friends...!

On the issue at stake, what is the Islamic love in this:
Christians contributed money to build schools when the whole state had 3 schools with Christians building over 50 out of a total of 73 schools. The agreement with Government was Grant-Aiding , some years after when majority of Muslim politicians have put themselves in Government, they are talking about takeover!

Even though I know you won't watch this unbiased video because of fear the truth will expose your religion but I will post it anyway


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4hAowN5E8Q

Yours indeed is a religion of Hooligans. A Religion of deception. That is why, while you shout "Islam is peace!" It is exactly the opposite that is seen all over the world.

stephinnoyewole:
But wait ooo, it's like Kwara State is just cursed (state without any developments, nor infrastructure) fighting for ordinary Hijab.
I can recall vividly some years ago, when I was schooling at Muslim comprehensive college, (MUSCO) Ikotun egbe,for those that know that school.
Despite the fact dat it's a muslim owned school, from Monday to Thursday on assemblies, Christianity is being practiced, while on Wednesday,there's always a Christian fellowship for abt 1hr or thereabouts, where as,on Fridays, we do practiced Islam, regardless of our religion,we do this joyful (being a mission boy then, I can recite quran,pray in Islam,et al) without any form of chaos. May I tell u that despite all forms of immoralities in that sch as at dat time, only few private schools can stand our level of intelligence, yet Hijab was not forced on students, not even our teachers use any.

I can't still comprehend while some Muslims actually practice peace while majority practice otherwise. Is there something I don't really know about Islam?

Yes, there is just one thing you don't know

TAQQIYA in the name of Allah!

shadeyinka:
Your Taqqiya has stopped working a long time ago. Christians don't hate Muslims. It's actually the reverse that is the truth. How many times in your life have your heard pastors preaching against Islam in our churches? However, 30% of you Muslim preaching is against Christianity.

Didn't your Allah say:
Do not take Christians and Jews as friends...!

On the issue at stake, what is the Islamic love in this:
Christians contributed money to build schools when the whole state had 3 schools with Christians building over 50 out of a total of 73 schools. The agreement with Government was Grant-Aiding , some years after when majority of Muslim politicians have put themselves in Government, they are talking about takeover!

Even though I know you won't watch this unbiased video because of fear the truth will expose your religion but I will post it anyway



Yours indeed is a religion of Hooligans. A Religion of deception. That is why, while you shout "Islam is peace!" It is exactly the opposite that is seen all over the world.

https://www.nairaland.com/5737607/christian-association-nigeria-violation-religious


Hijab: Pastor unveils what the church does not want you to hear


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0awDtzz65s&feature=youtu.be

Anigreat:







There's a big different between a rich Muslim and a poor Muslim. The both may attend the same mosque , read the same Quran, but their reasoning is far different.


Most of the Islamic laws only have effect on the poor Muslims and not the rich. The rich Muslims dont give a fucck about this hijab. Go to Northern Nigeria and see how female muslim kids who are from wealthy homes move around with not even a scarf on their head and even if you see them used it, it's always moderate and transparent. But the poor ones move around with one smelling long hijab like soutane always.

Islam religion is really a big burden to the poor Muslims.

As much as you want to berate Muslims for this, it shows how disconnected most rich people have to see religion or should I say, their connection to their creator.

Empiree:
https://www.nairaland.com/5737607/christian-association-nigeria-violation-religious


Hijab: Pastor unveils what the church does not want you to hear


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m0awDtzz65s&feature=youtu.be

Empires, I wonder if you watched the video you posted preaching against indecent dressing not the wearing of bukah or hijab. Except what you Muslims also preach is that a woman can dress as indecently as she can BUT cover it up with hijab!

Sometimes I smile when you accuse Christian organisations like CAN of behaving like you!

Not getting off point:
1. Church members contributed money to buy land on which to build schools where Moslems were not prevented from attending
2. Government grant-aided the schools where
a. Government manage school administration
b. Government employ their own teachers
c. Government pay their own teachers

Years after, Muslims say because they have the highest population in the state, therefore the schools belonged to them.

Is this NOT robbery?
Is this Muslim behaviour sanctioned by Allah?
Is this a Jihad of aggression?

As usual, you will recite the words of Shaitan without answering any of the questions!

Religion of Hooligans!

Is this how Islam practice PEACE!?

shadeyinka:
Empires, I wonder if you watched the video you posted preaching against indecent dressing not the wearing of bukah or hijab. Except what you Muslims also preach is that a woman can dress as indecently as she can BUT cover it up with hijab!

Sometimes I smile when you accuse Christian organisations like CAN of behaving like you!

Not getting off point:
1. Church members contributed money to buy land on which to build schools where Moslems were not prevented from attending
2. Government grant-aided the schools where
a. Government manage school administration
b. Government employ their own teachers
c. Government pay their own teachers

Years after, Muslims say because they have the highest population in the state, therefore the schools belonged to them.

Is this NOT robbery?
Is this Muslim behaviour sanctioned by Allah?
Is this a Jihad of aggression?

As usual, you will recite the words of Shaitan without answering any of the questions!

Religion of Hooligans!

Is this how Islam practice PEACE!?

The issue of the hijab brought up just exposed the bigotry of these Ilorin muslims.

1. Radio Kwara has mosque built by the state fund ( tax payer includ muslim and Christians) yet no chapel
2. Kwara Tv has mosque built by state fund ( tax payer's)
3. All the state ministries and departments have provision for mosque but not chapel.

How tolerant is islam in a state with it has almost equal population of the Islam and Christianity safe for the capital whose indigenes are most moslems and a few Christians. Yes there are few Christians of Ilorin origin ( I have met a few of them). Even at that, a look at resident population of Ilorin may not accord it the status as being claimed to be ' closer to "jannah" (paradise) but far from "Jahannam" (hell). Just a criss cross of the city on a Sunday will tell you There could be Christians in equal population as muslims living in Ilorin.

The attempt to force hijab on Christian mission schools in Ilorin is to project that they are more than Christians.

Moblux:
The issue of the hijab brought up just exposed the bigotry of these Ilorin muslims.

1. Radio Kwara has mosque built by the state fund ( tax payer includ muslim and Christians) yet no chapel
2. Kwara Tv has mosque built by state fund ( tax payer's)
3. All the state ministries and departments have provision for mosque but not chapel.

How tolerant is islam in a state with it has almost equal population of the Islam and Christianity safe for the capital whose indigenes are most moslems and a few Christians. Yes there are few Christians of Ilorin origin ( I have met a few of them). Even at that, a look at resident population of Ilorin may not accord it the status as being claimed to be ' closer to "jannah" (paradise) but far from "Jahannam" (hell). Just a criss cross of the city on a Sunday will tell you There could be Christians in equal population as muslims living in Ilorin.

The attempt to force hijab on Christian mission schools in Ilorin is to project that they are more than Christians.

It's all.about the violence ingrained inside the very fabric of Islam and Taqqiya which they even use on themselves when they are not fighting others. At the end of the day, you could find out that behind all this hullabaloo is Sokoto still establishing their conquest over Ilorin but they think they fight for Allah!

shadeyinka:
Empires, I wonder if you watched the video you posted preaching against indecent dressing not the wearing of bukah or hijab. Except what you Muslims also preach is that a woman can dress as indecently as she can BUT cover it up with hijab!

Sometimes I smile when you accuse Christian organisations like CAN of behaving like you!

smh... The pastor's message is clear. 80% churches around the world today are practically immoral yet claiming to be "holy". This is the trash CAN is trying to bring to Ilorin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDR5QJvDjVU



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EVqDQX4MrU

Not getting off point:
1. Church members contributed money to buy land on which to build schools where Moslems were not prevented from attending
2. Government grant-aided the schools where
a. Government manage school administration
b. Government employ their own teachers
c. Government pay their own teachers

Shade, what part of the message you don't get?. What you said here is the same thing that happened to Muslim missionary schools. What's your problem?. These Muslim school are now public taken over by state. Muslims do contribute to these Muslim missionary school somehow but govt takes full responsibilities and they are public schools. The same applies to the so called missionary schools in ILORIN.

Years after, Muslims say because they have the highest population in the state, therefore the schools belonged to them.

where did you get this nonesense from?. Is this court documents?. Stop making stuff up. What govt says is hijab is allowed in public schools. They are govt schools not christian schools.

The bastard CAN wants to see students CLEAVAGES

Empiree:
smh... The pastor's message is clear. 80% churches around the world today are practically immoral yet claiming to be "holy". This is the trash CAN is trying to bring to Ilorin.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qDR5QJvDjVU



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3EVqDQX4MrU



Shade, what part of the message you don't get?. What you said here is the same thing that happened to Muslim missionary schools. What's your problem?. These Muslim school are now public taken over by state. Muslims do contribute to these Muslim missionary school somehow but govt takes full responsibilities and they are public schools. The same applies to the so called missionary schools in ILORIN.



where did you get this nonesense from?. Is this court documents?. Stop making stuff up. What govt says is hijab is allowed in public schools. They are govt schools not christian schools.

The bastard CAN wants to see students CLEAVAGES

About dressing, your Allah says there is NO compulsion in Religion. If we all Christians dress naked to church, how is it your business. God will judge those who worship Him with indecent dresses and it doesn't have anything to do with you. Talking about giving a dog a bad name so as to have the excuse of drowning it. So this is why you want to rob us of our schools!?

Can you tell us please how Moslems have been contributing to the schools
1. Have Moslems built new buildings?
2. Have Moslems paid any money to the board of governors or propietors of the schools?

In what ways?

Moblux:
Undoubtedly, the sharia CJN will most definitely be sympathetic with his religion. The case in the supreme court may go in favour of hijab.

In Yoruba parlance when trust is lost and hope of justice is elusive, we say " mo fa e le kootu Olorun" meaning I hand you over to God the impartial judge who judges every motive of mortal man at His appointed time.

lol abi..
Let God judge

compton11:
bring the reliable evidence where hijab is banned in Morocco.

Christianity and lies well that is how y'all use to deceive gullible to your religion.

burqa is different from hijab,burqa is more like a culture for deserters before Islam.

there's nothing called Islamic dressing,dress modest and cover your unclothedness is what Islam is preaching unlike y'all that are wearing miniskirt and tight dress your joke Churches.


and ?

the same turkey that are turning the oldest Churches to mosques??


why u worry about it?

can't u face your own issues in your christianity?


evidence or shut up


u are just dumb,i know u have been talking about niqob before.

so how is niqob and hijab the same?



Germany is majority Christian secular country,the place where pornography,half naked and homosexual are legalised,so pathetic.


dumb nigga,which morroco ban hijab?
how can they ban law of Allah and still be muslim?

I say bring your reliable evidence where hijab is banned in morroco.



have already told u boy,fearing of Allah is what make best muslim not but race or ethnic u stupid.

did they banned Catholic veil too in those places?;DD

And I expect isreal your most beloved country to ban it too and I expect u to tell your jew masters that veil should be banned especially haredi burqa.

nigga ordinary black person?


heheheehe wow so it has turned to race shit.

Islamic history of prophet Muhammad(saw) is not complete without the inclusion of black people like bilal ibn rabah,a Ethiopian nilotic that first called to prayer,or summayah a black woman that was first murdered by pagans because he embraced Islam or saudat the second wife of prophet Muhammed(saw) or the people of Ethiopia that housed the companions of prophet Muhammed when they fled from mecca.

even a black man adil alkalbani aka Obama of Saudi Arabia was crowned as imam of mecca before and more I'd coming.




nigga u supposed to worry about how black priest was racially abuse in German church until he returned to Nigeria

or how some white churches don't allow black people in their Churches.


the pathetic is that all those that introduced Christianity to y'all are now legalising pornography,nudity and homosexuallity.



which Quranic verses said that says black people are synonym to devil.


so Christians Nigga is talking

says by idiot that their own man god is always depict as white not only that,Angels are also depict as white but devil is depicted as dark skinned,even the Jesus picture u hanged in your house is depicted as Caucasian.

all the good things in Christianity are depict as white peoplewhile bad are despict as black people.



Prophet Muhammed (saw)
said

All humans are descended from Adam and Eve said prophet Muhammad in his last known public speech. “There is no superiority of an Arab over a non-Arab, or of a non-Arab over an Arab, and no superiority of a white person over a black person or of a black person over a white person, except on the basis of personal piety and righteousness.”

Are you sure. Don't make start exposing you. I don't really like exposing such. You will not like yourself at the end of the day.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/why-moroccos-burqa-ban-is-more-than-just-a-security-measure-721 Read Below.
Ishaq: 243 ''
Allah Apostle say: 'Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal.' He was a sturdy BLACK man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks
Sahih Muslim 5:2334
'' The Prophet say '' The most HATEFUL among the creation of Allah us one BLACK MAN among them (Khwarij). One of his hands is like the teat of a goat or the nipple of the breast.
Sahih Bukhari 1:11:664
The Prophet said to Abu-Dhar, "Listen and obey (your chief) even if he is an Ethiopian with a head like a raisin."
Ishaq: 450’’
The Prophet says'' We collected them there, BLACK slaves, men of no descent.
Al-Tabari, Vol. 2, p. 11, p. 11
'' The Prophet prayed that the African's color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks."
Ishaq: 374
Allah Apostle say '' The BLACK troops and slaves of the Meccans cried out and the Muslims replied, ‘Allah destroy your sight, you impious rascals.’
Sahih Bukhari 9:87:161
Prophet say'' (A DREAM OF BLACK WOMEN IS A SYMBOL OF EPIDEMIC)
Ishaq:243
Apostle say, 'There comes to sit with you a BLACK MAN with long flowing hair, ruddy cheeks, and inflamed eyes like two copper pots. His heart is grosser than a donkey's;
Ibn Musa al-Yahsubi, Qadi ‘Iyad, p.375
Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, “Anyone who says that the Prophet was BLACK should be killed.
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For your Information ''My Black African Muslim Friends'', It's not my own word, The Islamic references is there to Confirm it, Just copy any of the reference to the Google and click to see the result or Get the Islamic Text by yourself and search with the references.
----------------------more to come if we go that lane
Simple stay in you lane and we will in our own.
Build your school and teach your wards your beliefs. We would do likewise.
What's so difficult in that. Playing takiya with documents. All because the ex military gov is dead. They are now trying to claim that he signed a different document from the summary he read.
The govt did not build or renovate the schools ,the churches have been the ones doing that since 1972,despite govt collecting levies there,
If you truly want your wards to have western education with your religious feel ,build your own styled madrasa.see the contradiction. Western education is haram.but you crave for it all over the world.

YusufTheGreat:
lol abi..
Let God judge

@Empiree
Islam is a Religion of hatred and dominance. When they are few, they pretend to be peaceful but when they have sufficient population, their true character comes forth.

For Empires who insists that Government TOOK OVER the school instead of the mission schools being Grant-aided, here is the full speech of Governor Bamigboye of Kwara state in 1972

KWARA STATE SCHOOLS BOARD

Speech delivered by His Excellency, The Military Governor of Kwara State, Colonel D. L. Bamigboye, at the Official Launching of the Kwara State Schools Board in Ilorin, State Capital, on 3/7/72

Civil Commissioners, Distinguised Ladies and Gentlemen,

I am delighted to be here this morning to launch officially the Kwara State Schools Board which came into being on the first day of June, 1972. This is a practical demonstration of the importance which my Government, among other Governments of the Federation, attaches to education.

It is gratifying to see the large assembly here this morning among whom, I understand, are proprietors, education secretaries, chairmen of boards of governors, principals of various grant-aided post-primary institutions and a lot more people from many walks of life. They are all welcome to Ilorin, the State Capital. It is my earnest prayer to wish everyone a pleasant stay in Ilorin and safe journey back home.
I want to start by acknowledging the depth of gratitude we owe to the Voluntary Agencies for the pioneering roles they have so far played in the progress of formal education in Nigeria, most especially in Kwara State.

Brief Historical Review
Some of the earliest primary schools in the country were opened by the Missions in what is today Kwara State. For instance, in 1865 the first primary school was opened at Lokoja. By 1918 similar Voluntary Agency schools were already opened at Offa, at Ilorin and in Ogori. Gradually all the Christian Missions, Muslim Missions and Native Authorities, now Local Government Authorities, and communities became involved in establishing primary schools.
Today we have over 550 primary schools in the State. The Missions, the Native Authorities and the local communities have also contributed a great deal to the development of post-primary education in the State. As at date, there are 78 post- primary schools in the State. Of these only 3 are owned and run directly by the Government while the remaining 65 are Voluntary Agency, Community and private schools. I have gone into this aspect of the history of education in the State to show the value of team work among the Voluntary Agencies. Local communities private interests and the Government in the great task of educating our children. I hope that this tradition of team work will continue.

As many of you know, the proposal to establish Schools Board dated several years back. The National Joint Negotiation Council of 1964 under the distinguished Chairmanship of Justice Adefarasin and the Committee on the Grading Duty Posts in Voluntary Agency Institutions recommended it. Above all, the teachers themselves support it. These are concrete proofs of the desirability of the scheme hence my Government’s spontaneous reaction to it when due for consideration.

Full Scale Consultations
In my last Budget Speech I mentioned the intention of my Government to create the State Schools Board and the Local School Boards. I made good this promise in respect of one when on 18th May, 1972, I signed the Education Law ( Amendment) Edict, which gave birth to the State Schools Board on 1st June, 1972, the official launching of which we are all witnessing here today. The Board comprises seven able personalities, including a woman, to run the affairs of the Voluntary Agency grant-aided post-primary institutions. Before establishing the Board my Ministry of Education went into full scale consultations with the major Voluntary Agency institutions in the six Northern States, namely, the Protestants, the Roman Catholic, and the Islamic bodies as early as February, 1970. I am glad to announce that all the Voluntary Agency and community schools were fully in agreement and that the five “Part-time” members at this Board virtually represent these agencies although they are expected to function as individuals and according to their own best judgement.

Aspects of Education Administration.
While it is the main purpose of the State Schools Board to implement Asabia Recommendations, The Board has come in the nick of time to give concrete expression to Government thinking on certain aspects of the administration of education in this State. Of particular concern to the Government in this regard are the followings needs:-

(a) The need to have job security for teachers in Voluntary Agency Schools.

(b) The need to improve as well as unify service conditions of teachers in all Voluntary Agency Institutions.

(c ) The need for uniformly high standards between Government and Voluntary Agency institutions.

(d) The need to narrow, with the ultimate aim of closing, the gap in educational provision amongst the various areas in the State.

(e) The need to ensure adequate staffing for all schools.

The Edict establishing the Board clearly spelt out the functions of the Board which include ‘power to appoint teachers (including power to make appointments on promotion, conform appointments and effect transfers) and to dismiss and exercise disciplinary control over teachers in all post – primary schools which are in receipt of Government grant-in-aid.

No Schools Takeover Yet.
It is appropriate for me at this juncture to clarify some misgivings about the State Schools Board. The term ‘take-over’ has become very current in our newspapers that it needs to be clarified in respect of our establishment of the Schools Board. I mentioned in my Budget Speech that my Government has not yet decided to take over Secondary Schools. What will now be taken over is the staff management in grant-aided post-primary institutions and NOT the institutions themselves. A total take–over of schools by Government means, among other things, a change in ownership of schools. In this connection, I want to remind the Voluntary Agencies that they are still the owner of their schools and therefore retain the rights over as well as responsibilities for them. For avoidance of doubts, let me mention some of your rights as proprietors under the new dispensation:-

(a) The right of ownership of institutions. Proprietors still retain the greatest of proprietory rights namely, ownership of their grants aided institutions. It should be noted that the existence of the Board will in no way detract from this.

(b) The names of schools remain as given by proprietors.

(c ) Religious orientation and practices in the schools remain generally undisturbed.

(d) The right to nominate Board of Governors with responsibility for the day-to-day management and welfare of the institutions remain unchanged. The Board of Governors will continue to function normally except in regards to staff matters which responsibility is now taken over by the State Schools Board. Finally,

(e) The total tone of the institutions remains the responsibility of the Board of Governors as the main organ of the Proprietors.

Proprietors’ Continued Participation
At this point, I want to emphasize the importance of proprietors’ continued participation. Under the new scheme the institutions whose staff management is being taken over should continue to be virile and progressive with bouyant financial support from community and Missions both for proper maintenance and necessary developments. By this I mean the mistake of the past should not be repeated whereby people misunderstood the role of the Local Education Authorities for ‘a total take-over’ of the transferred schools and consequently washed off their hands financially. I am here reiterating that proprietors still owe large duties to their institutions and these they should continue to discharge through their Boards of Governors, for example:-
the regular maintenance of the school buildings, housing of institutional staff, provisions of school accommodation, the general tone of the institution, appointment of Board’s own administrative staff and anything to do with the academic work of the school, other than teaching staff.
I hope that the Missionary as well, as the community spirits which engendered these institutions will continue to enable them to run without any financial hardship.

Finally I want to remind the State Schools Board of the enormous task ahead of it. I am sure that the Board is fully aware of the various problems which it is set up to solve I expect the Board to give the schools the best services possible and to demonstrate that with prudent management of the existing scale of financial provisions the teachers’ lot can be greatly improved. The Board is set up to improve, standards and services conditions of teachers. It is also its major role to maintain discipline in the noble profession.
In Conclusion, I wish the Kwara State Schools Board many years of useful services to this State and to the country as a whole.

Thank you.

The Governor was very clear and unambiguous but trust the religion of "PEACE" to be peaceful at your peril

The schools are still for the missions agencies: the church. Let the Government hands off

chrisblack:
Are you sure. Don't make start exposing you. I don't really like exposing such. You will not like yourself at the end of the day.

heheheehe exposed who?

well u agree that christianity is about white worshipping,u cant deny that.

chrisblack:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/theconversation.com/amp/why-moroccos-burqa-ban-is-more-than-just-a-security-measure-721 Read Below.

I've already told you stupid,they are talking about niqob not hijab.

chrisblack:
Ishaq: 243 ''
Allah Apostle say: 'Whoever wants to see Satan should look at Nabtal.' He was a sturdy BLACK man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks

this is the full hadith and the reason for that statement,he described the man as shaitan incarnate not for his skin color,pls read the Hadith with open mind,because the prophet described own the man look like not how shaitan look like.
the man was hypocrite himself,so as shaitan is hypocrite.


FROM IBN ISHAQ'S "SIRAT RASULALLAH", translated as, "THE LIFE OF MUHAMMAD" by A. Guillaume, page 243. 

"I have heard that it was of him that the apostle said, "Whoever wants to see Satan let him take a look at Nabtal b. al-Harith!" He was a study black man with long flowing hair, inflamed eyes, and dark ruddy cheeks. He used to come and talk to the apostle and listen to him and then carry what he had said to the HYPOCRITES. It was he who said: "Muhammad is all ears: if anyone tells him anything he believes it." God sent down concerning him: "And of them are those who annoy the prophet and say he is all ears


that was the reason for this Quran verse

Say: God ears for you. He believes in God and trusts the believers and is a mercy for those of you who believe; and those who annoy the apostle of God for them there is a painful punishment." (Sura 9:61)"

the guy was hypocrite,nothing more,anynody that is hypocrite is nothing but devil

chrisblack:
Sahih Muslim 5:2334
'' The Prophet say '' The most HATEFUL among the creation of Allah us one BLACK MAN among them (Khwarij). One of his hands is like the teat of a goat or the nipple of the breast.

read the full hadith and understand it with open mind,the reason why the man was most hateful is because he was kwariji,the people that believe they are only true Muslims and people who fight against the rulers.

these are nowadays isis,boko haram,taliban and so on.



Ubaidullah b. Abu Rafi', the freed slave of the Messenger of Allah ﷺ, said: When Haruria (the Khwarij) set out and as he was with 'Ali b. Abu Talib (Allah be pleased with him) they said," There is no command but that of Allah." Upon this 'Ali said: The statement is true but it is intentionally applied (to support) a wrong (cause). The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him described their characteristics and I found these characteristics in them. They state the truth with their tongue, but it does not go beyond this part of their bodies (and the narrator pointed towards his throat). The most hateful among the creation of Allah us one black man among them (Khwarij). One of his hand is like the teat of a goat or the nipple of the breast. When 'Ali b. Abu Talib (Allah be pleased with him) killed them, he said: Search (for his dead body). They searched for him, but they did not find it (his dead body). Upon this he said: Go (and search for him). By Allah, neither I have spoken a lie nor has the lie been spoken to me. 'Ali said this twice and thrice. They then found him (the dead body) in a rain. They brought (his dead) body till they placed it before him (Hadrat 'Ali). 'Ubaidullah said: And, I was present at (that place) when this happened and when 'Ali said about them. A person narrated to me from Ibn Hanain that he said: I saw that black man.


there is no where Islam describe how Satan look like,what we know is that it was created from fire and he can come in any color to deceive people.

chrisblack:
Sahih Bukhari 1:11:664
The Prophet said to Abu-Dhar, "Listen and obey (your chief) even if he is an Ethiopian with a head like a raisin."

the Hadith is talking about obeying ruler,even if he is Ethiopia slave with raisin head,ethipians were among Arab slaves before Islam,so it is not common to be ruler in Arab land just as how u can be ruler in Britain.

even if your ruler is handicapped,u have to obey him,only Islam can talk about This.

chrisblack:
Ishaq: 450’’
The Prophet says'' We collected them there, BLACK slaves, men of no descent.

this shit doesn't exist bro,it was just fabricated from the face book u copied all this from.

chrisblack:
Al-Tabari, Vol. 2, p. 11, p. 11
'' The Prophet prayed that the African's color would change so that their descendants would be slaves to the Arabs and Turks."

it doesn't exist too bro plus tabari was historians,so how come people talk in history book?

chrisblack:
Ishaq: 374
Allah Apostle say '' The BLACK troops and slaves of the Meccans cried out and the Muslims replied, ‘Allah destroy your sight, you impious rascals.

bro this doesn't exist too,u don't need to copy form anti Islam face book,do your own research and not copy from u don't know whether it exists or not.

chrisblack:
Sahih Bukhari 9:87:161
Prophet say'' (A DREAM OF BLACK WOMEN IS A SYMBOL OF EPIDEMIC) ."

hmmmm this is the Hadith sir,it was about sign of epidemic as the hair of the women was unkempt.


Narrated 'Abdullah:

The Prophet said, "I saw (in a dream) a black woman with unkempt hair going out of Medina and settling at Mahai'a, i.e., Al-Juhfa. I interpreted that as a symbol of epidemic of Medina being transferred to that place (Al-Juhfa)."



hadith about another black lady


Narrated 'Ata bin Abi Rabah:

Ibn `Abbas said to me, "Shall I show you a woman of the people of Paradise?" I said, "Yes." He said, "This black lady came to the Prophet (ﷺ) and said, 'I get attacks of epilepsy and my body becomes uncovered; please invoke Allah for me.' The Prophet (ﷺ) said (to her), 'If you wish, be patient and you will have (enter) Paradise; and if you wish, I will invoke Allah to cure you.' She said, 'I will remain patient,' and added, 'but I become uncovered, so please invoke Allah for me that I may not become uncovered.' So he invoked Allah for her."

Narrated 'Ata:

That he had seen Um Zafar, the tall black lady, at (holding) the curtain of the Ka`ba.

chrisblack:
Ishaq:243
Apostle say, 'There comes to sit with you a BLACK MAN with long flowing hair, ruddy cheeks, and inflamed eyes like two copper pots. His heart is grosser than a donkey's;

Mr man why is your two ibn ishaq 243 is different from one another?

that is problem with y'all Christian lair,your first hadith was also ibn ishaq 243.

chrisblack:
Ibn Musa al-Yahsubi, Qadi ‘Iyad, p.375
Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, the companion of Sahnun said, “Anyone who says that the Prophet was BLACK should be killed.

the fact that u quote the one that suits u and leave the rest is highly alarming.

this is about false description Of someday,is like saying Adolf Hitler was native America.


it is a serious sin to say call or described prophet Muhammed of what he wasn't as says by

Habib ibn ar-Rabi’ said that it is disbelief to alter his description and its details. The one who does that openly is an unbeliever. He is asked to repent. The one who conceals it is a heretic and is killed without being asked to repent.

that is the reason why

Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman, Sahnun's companion, said that whoever says that the Prophet was black is killed. The Prophet was not black

and it was true he wasn't,b e he had distant Black lineage from Ethiopia


However, u do not quote the paragraph immediately below which further shows the issue was not racism but the issue being, stating falsehoods which constitute denial:

Abu ‘Uthman al Haddad said something similar and said

that if someone said that the Prophet died before his beard began to grow or that he was in Tahart (Morocco) and not Tihama, he is killed because this constitutes denial.

so this is about denial of who the prophet was bro not racism.


black is even invented by white people as race,most of us are brown in skin color not black and not only African have the brown skin.

During such a time there may have been a racist undercurrent amongst the ignorant/hypocrites who used this as a slur (i.e. calling people “black”), thus Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman would have recognised the INTENT was to disparage the Prophet (p) hence his calling for the death of such folk. It is not racist on the part of Ahmad ibn Abi Sulayman and it certainly has NO bearing upon Islam!







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chrisblack:
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For your Information ''My Black African Muslim Friends'', It's not my own word, The Islamic references is there to Confirm it, Just copy any of the reference to the Google and click to see the result or Get the Islamic Text by yourself and search with the references.

my black Christians friend
I've answered u and debunked all your uncompleted hadith and non existed one u copy from anti Islam Facebook page and I will also like to ask u questions and pls u have to answer me cos i will mention your name in the question

chrisblack:
----------------------more to come if we go that lane

I'm ready bro but before that your incoming copy and paste,pls read this with open mind and ready to answer my own question.

chrisblack:
Simple stay in you lane and we will in our own.

this nigga

chrisblack:
Build your school and teach your wards your beliefs. We would do likewise.

no nigga tell your school to stop collecting government money then.

chrisblack:
What's so difficult in that. Playing takiya with documents. All because the ex military gov is dead. They are now trying to claim that he signed a different document from the summary he read.
The govt did not build or renovate the schools ,the churches have been the ones doing that since 1972,despite govt collecting levies there,

that is your own problem not mine.

chrisblack:
If you truly want your wards to have western education with your religious feel ,build your own styled madrasa.see the contradiction.

that is your own problem


Western education is haram.but you crave for it all over the world.[/quote]there is nothing called western education,education existed before civilization of Westerners.


with all the shit u posted,if prophet Muhammed(saw) was truly racist as u portrayed

i wonder why he had black wife(saudat).

black companion And close friend(bilal ibn rabah) the man prophet said he was walking with him in paradise.



black adoption son(zaid ibn harith)


if prophet Muhammed (saw)was racist that means Islam would only be for the arab but nay he was sent as merciful to the whole world



the prophet called one of his companions an ignorant because



When his Arab Companion Abu Dharr called Bilal 'son of the black woman', the Prophet (peace and blessings be upon him) got angry and told him: 'You are a man who has ignorance in him.' Abu Dharr felt such a great remorse that he put his cheek on the ground and asked Bilal to tread on his other cheek if he’d like to.

cc @chrisblack

time to answer my questions

1st question:why are Christians angel and God are despict as white?



2nd question:how did judasi isciriot died?


3rd question:did judasi returned the money he collected or not?


4th:is judasi an hell dweller or paradise dweller?


5th:how old was Ahaziah when he became king?


first question don't need references Bible,pls answer it before I can answer your new pasted question.

shadeyinka:
About dressing, your Allah says there is NO compulsion in Religion. If we all Christians dress naked to church, how is it your business. God will judge those who worship Him with indecent dresses and it doesn't have anything to do with you. Talking about giving a dog a bad name so as to have the excuse of drowning it. So this is why you want to rob us of our schools!?

Can you tell us please how Moslems have been contributing to the schools
1. Have Moslems built new buildings?
2. Have Moslems paid any money to the board of governors or propietors of the schools?

In what ways?

what is the term indecent dressing .you need to include those with
special coveringg but nothing underneath.
They claim muslim schools were also taken over. Ask him all so called muslim schools that did not allow christian parents to build there own chapel for there students ,while the government build mosque inside the schools for the muslim teachers.
They could send 7 irk teachers to a christian primary school but 1 for the entire school. They have more than 10 irk teacher in a secodary school non for christian students in the same school. Haaba