₦airaland Forum

LordReed:
The challenge here is once you excel you'll not be at the level of those who haven't. People take you more seriously, they come looking for your expertise, they refer you to others, you do become a thought leader of sorts. So does this go against this stricture?

kkins25:
unfortunately, the bible failed to teach him that the system of hierarchies in embedded in our DNA. We cant do without having leaders. That's how they ignorantly vouch for socialism.

Kobojunkie:
You can actually do without that is what Jesus Christ taught His followers, He Himself never, in fact, setting up such a system for them, calling them to instead do as He did.

Kobojunkie:
You can actually do without that is what Jesus Christ taught His followers, He Himself never, in fact, setting up such a system for them, calling them to instead do as He did.

kkins25:
In order words, he is replacing the political leaders with himself.. hmmmmm... jesus surely knows his politics

kkins25:
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Ajibade123:
I can't see the answer to my question here
my question again is if true born again are not allowed to rule then who should rule

CodeTemplar:
Yes. Joseph was in govt, Daniel too. Paul was a rising civil servant before his conversion.

ogwumgbe:
Who is a Genuine christian and who is not? Are you now occupying the judgement seat of Christ?

Kobojunkie:
You are indeed free to interpret His teachings and works as you choose to.
According to the story, the man had no political dealings as His focus was on God and the things of God as far as His Kingdom was concerned. And His good deeds were not to buy political clout in this World, nor in His Kingdom. According to Him, He served His disciples and people as a servant would... Herod and the Pharisees who were the leaders of that time never did any of that.
Yes, the leaders at the time(The priests, and High priests, the Pharisees, and teachers of the Law, etc.) felt threatened by Him because He had and showed no respect for their offices and their opinions, especially where God is concerned - the power they wielded over the people. But that wasn't of Jesus's fault now, was it.
And when asked whether He was the leader/King of the Jews, Jesus Christ was quite clear in making it clear to them that His Kingdom was not of this world.

CanadaCars:
But does it not matter to you what Jesus said about politics, and how the first century Christians abided by this instruction from their master?
Be careful not to allow personal preference from blurring the truth to you. It is the same as someone saying today that it is ok for a Christian to have more than one wife because God allowed it among his faithful worshippers in the old testament, people like Abraham, David and the rest of them.

Ajibade123:
I can't see the answer to my question here
my question again is if true born again are not allowed to rule then who should rule

Rushna27:
Truth be told with d way Nigeria's politics is bin done, I don't think a genuine Christian can survive it.... cos it's either he stay off or he join dem....... Nigeria's politics is a mess which is run by heartless pple who doesn't want any good for d nation.......

Adjovi:
Yeah he's Kingdom was not of this world but how did he win so many crowd over? He used politics . Politics is a way of life, it's everywhere.

CanadaCars:
But does it not matter to you what Jesus said about politics, and how the first century Christians abided by this instruction from their master?
Be careful not to allow personal preference from blurring the truth to you. It is the same as someone saying today that it is ok for a Christian to have more than one wife because God allowed it among his faithful worshippers in the old testament, people like Abraham, David and the rest of them.

freeborn02:
Your reasoning is absurd

Kobojunkie:
I posted it too. Matthew 20 vs 20 -28

MaxInDHouse:
Thanks for your response!

God never intended to choose kings for the Israelites and that's clear from what transpired between God and Samuel.
Yes due to the covenant He made with Abraham God kept putting up with the flaws of his people {Matthew 23:37} so he can't leave their human kings unattended to since they'll be in place until his choice (Jesus) comes, that's why God was guiding the Kings this people demanded not that God was pleased with the idea!

It's God's word (Jesus Christ not me) who said Satan is the overall ruler of the world {John 14:30} and it was evident during the time Satan tempted Jesus, he offered Jesus all the Kingdoms (Governments) of this world. Jesus won't wait a second to refute this claim if Satan is not the brain behind the world's Government! Luke 4:6-8 compare to John 18:36

When Jesus launched his own campaign for rulership he made us know what we will experience in the midst of those under his own rule: there will be LOVE permeating the group of people under Jesus' rule {John 13:34-35} and PEACE will be their watchword! John 14:27

Those under Satan's Government will continue to practice what is written in the Bible book of Galatians 5:19-21 while Jesus' own subjects are experiencing Galatians 5:22-23.

So it's not disputable, if you're a politician today know that what's written in Galatians 5:19-21 will continue to hunt you and those with you, no matter how good you try to be you will continue to sit alongside those PRACTICING Galatians 5:19-21 it's not a CURSE but reality. Psalms 1:1

That's why Jesus and his disciples forbade Politics completely.

stanliwise:
No part of 20 - 28 said anything against being in government, nothing as such, infact you just misinterpreted the picture completely, I pray God grant you wisdom.
so it is unbelievers that should be the government, what sort of horrific idea is that, Even Jesus would never say anything as such, the verse you quoted is misinterpreted and totally out of contest

stanliwise:
In other words God wants man to live without a government right?
or God wants his children to be ruled by agent of the darkness here on earth righ?
I don't understand this mentality

writeprof:
A very big YES! Christians can and should get involved in politics in Nigeria. Until a Christian party is formed by genuinely born again Christians, then the scriptures that talks about the peace and joy to the people because the righteous is ruling will never come to pass, while the sorrow, mourning and evils of the wicked in politics as presently seen will endure. We must be clear about the Christians we are talking about. Many Nigerians erroneously believe anyone with church affiliation or goes to church is a Christian. Foul foul foul

MaxInDHouse:
Please with the highlighted i ask: what will be the criteria to select this so called BORN AGAIN when all the religionists around you are claiming BORN AGAIN and each person's religious group (multitude) is prepared to back him up?

HizRoyalFinest:
Don't mind him, some Christians have become too spiritual, now they've become earthly useless.....
how can someone open his mouth to say that? so sinners are the only ones permitted to rule us?.....you're a mumu man!!!

writeprof:
A very big YES! Christians can and should get involved in politics in Nigeria. Until a Christian party is formed by genuinely born again Christians, then the scriptures that talks about the peace and joy to the people because the righteous is ruling will never come to pass, while the sorrow, mourning and evils of the wicked in politics as presently seen will endure. We must be clear about the Christians we are talking about. Many Nigerians erroneously believe anyone with church affiliation or goes to church is a Christian. Foul foul foul

writeprof:
Election like salvation is not by selection... let's not mix the abnormalities we have in Nigeria as election and salvation. By their fruits, you shall know them. THERE ARE STILL MORE GOD-FEARING AND GENUINELY BORN AGAIN CHRISTIANS IN PUBLIC AND PRIVATE SERVICES.

orunto27:
GOD GIVES OBASANJO TO PROVE THIS POINT.

OBASANJO IS AN ENGINEER, A SOLDIER, A POLITICIAN AND NOW A PROFESSOR IN CHRISTIANITY.

Anakazo22:
A big yes, from scripture there were many great men who were in government from David, Nehemiah, Daniel and lot more, this is where the church is getting it wrong we want change but we allow corrupt men to be in helm of affairs, Christians must go into politics to advance the kingdom of God.

Baba1234:
And he was ten times better than his peers...how can u be ten times better if you are not in the hem of affairs to make it happen. When a christian is called to service, why not? We are christians, we raise the standard in everything. It is even better if a "genuine christian" rule because he rules with the fear of God... You cannot tell me also that there are no genuine christian in the military force.. they are everywhere in every sphere of life...And when they rule, u see d difference..

topecole:
Hey guys the real fact remains politics or most people doing politics are dirty that doesn't make everyone doing politics to be.
Genuine Christians who decides to do politics should only realize that some things are out of their control and if they refuse, they become the bad egg ready to be flushed out.
You can be a good Christian and still be in politics, Christianity is between you and your God.
But your Christian reputation as perceived by men might be questioned when your followers question your administrations actions
You might be clean but the dirt of the tank underneath could still affect you